I think that a lot of these black leaders are finally coming around and acknowledging the significance of Barack Obama's nomination and possible presidency. I am an African American woman, as well as an Obama supporter and I can honestly say that whether Obama wins or loses there has been a huge shift in racial beliefs and ideas, and practices here in America.

In regards to a lot of these older activists and leaders of the civil rights movement and social issues....I feel that that they too are grappling with these events and are starting to accept that things really have changed in America. I do not believe that just becasue you are black that you have to be an Obama supporter; and it is fair to constructively criticize him. But some of the criticism that Obama caught from Bob Johnson, Andrew Young, Jesse Jackson and plenty others was uncalled for. I personally felt that many of them did not want to let go of the torches that they carried. They did not want to pass on that banner and let young, educated, post Jim Crow black leaders pick up the cause. Bob Johnson made horrible remarks that were uncalled for, and considering that debacle he calls a television channel (BET), he really needs to check himself. BET is his legacy whether he still owns it or not. Jesse Jackson made off the cuff remarks that were really scathing, there were other leaders that questioned Obama'a "blackness"....it was a sad case of reversal, blacks tearing down other black people which is unfortunate.

I think they too need to look at themselves when it the context of "the dog chasing the car". If Barack Obama does win the presidency, it will be, in a sense, that everything those leaders have been waiting for finally happens....and now they will have to figure out what there place is in terms of American politics. I am in no way saying that if Obama wins, racism will not exist and that all problems that inner city black youth face will dissapper....NO WAY! These will still be issues. What I am saying is that the conversation of black life, youth, politics, social issues will have to be more progressive. And it will be time for these older black leaders to start inviting more young leaders to the table to confront these issues.

There are voters in Florida who, as young college students, sat down at segregated lunch counters to earn for Mr. Obama his opportunities tomorrow.

When they went to vote this January, they experienced being told that their vote shouldn't count, not by Jim Crow race haters as was the case in their youth, but by the first viable African-American presidential candidate.

Later Obama said the votes couldn't count because it wasn't "fair" to him for them to count, and still later Obama said the votes could count if he got to say how they were cast--an "acceptable formula," he called it . That is indeed what finally happened, only a party committee did it.

All of this was OK with all of these former civil rights leaders turned important, influential and even powerful national figures four decades later.

If the Civil Rights Movement was not about having all Americans' votes count, what was it about?

How do we distinguish between these men this year and Bull Connor in 1960: In both cases some Americans votes were not allowed to count because it served somebody in power's political purpose. Connor was indeed a race hater, but these men were just indifferent.

Should votes ever be voided in a representative democracy? Should politicians negotiate over whether some American's vote will be counted or not? Should party committees decide who counts, who counts how much and who doesn't count at all?

Didn't Mr. Obama participate in a repudiation of the notion that government should be accountable to the people: that the vote is the only real link between the people and the government?

Isn't having a grandmother, who risked beatings in her youth for civil rights, going to the polls to cast a ballot already voided by a party committee a sin against democracy, civil rights and all that our fathers and mothers sacrificed to bring about a just nation?

These once idealistic men didn't even notice the vote voiding as a civil rights issue. They happened not to be the victims this time. Indeed, some of them are public officials who could pass laws to ensure that one-person one-vote applies in presidential elections as well as to House, state and local elections.

They stand in Bull Conner's shoes today. Now that they are not the victims, let's see if they use their prestige and power to protect others from having their votes voided in 2012?

If you give thought to current situations, here and abroad, you already understand the darkness into which Obama will enter as he walks into the Office (ah, knock wood). I think we will keep trust with him...the majority who vote for him.
A good piece!

Very interesting read. A friend of mine sent me this text over the weekend. Rosa Sat so MLK could walk, MLK walked so Obama could run, Obama is running so all of our children can soar.


State by State list of time off to vote laws
http://employmentlawpost.com/theword/2008/10/15/time-off-to-vote-for-em ployees-a-state-by-state-survey-2/

Employee election crush on Nov. 4
http://employmentlawpost.com/theword/2008/10/31/time-off-to-vote-employ ee-voting-crush-on-november-4/

The primary that was held in Florida is not as black and white as you paint it Issywise. Florida moved its primary up with an ok from Gov. Charlie Crist even though they were told that if the primary was moved up, the votes would not count. This is something that all of the candidates agreed with. Where were the civil rights leaders and voting rights activists during the time that the governor of Florida agreed to move the primaries up? Where was all of the noise before the residents of Florida cast their votes?

There were a lot of different issues at play with that Florida primary. That situation provides one of many examples of why there need to be drastic changes in the American voting process.

Sean - great article. I will say that Bob Johnson is hated in many corners of our community.

It funny that he's worry about the perceptions of Blacks...many of us see him as a Judas-like figure. His disgusting programming hurt us more than anything Obama could ever do. Sorry to derail the discussion, but I had to mention that.

Assuming Obama wins, thank God Hillary didn't get the nomination, It's incomparably more important for America, and the world, for a black man to win this election than for a white woman. There's simply no comparison in terms of historical significance, whatever Hillary die-hards might claim. Black women were overwhelmingly for Obama over Hillary. It was only white women who were such feminist dead-enders that they preferred the more limited revolution for social justice of electing a woman to that of electing a black man. If Obama wins, it will be a truly incomparable landmark for America, greater than King's "I have a dream" speech itself, as the actualization of power is always greater than dreaming and rhetoric about achieving it,

Assuming Obama wins, I think the most interesting thing that will happen is the long succession of things that won't, thus leaving unfulfilled the ludicrous paranoid prophesies of so many who have opposed Obama from day one of his candidacy. His presidency may serve as a major myth-buster, this occurring quietly and implicitly over time, until he is seen as a normal, if extraordinarily gifted, American, and others similarly situated will be freer to rise to what heights they may.

lolagib1

It WAS as black and white as I said: The vote to move Florida's primary date was one vote shy of unanimous in the legislature--bipartisan in the extreme. The RNC had made exactly the same threat the DNC had made--to void votes. The change was done to confront and reject the parties' assertion that they control primary dates. .

The gormless DNC doubled-down its bets to full disenfranchisement to scare Michigan, which moved its date anyhow--to make the same point: parties won't tell free Americans when to vote.

You prove my point that this is a civil rights issue. You think the candidates can agree and dictates when voters vote. You probably also saw nothing wrong with them negotiating over whose vote should count and even ultimately deciding how they voted.

State legislatures have the exclusive legal power to set primary dates because primaries cost tens of millions of tax dollars, involve tens of thousands of paid government employees and volunteers and are conducted under thousands of state and scores of federal laws. Primaries cast over the presidential candidate selection process a cloak of legitimacy and fairness at the expense of the public taxpayer and by the operation of laws intended to protect votes..

You endorse political party bosses deciding which voters' votes should count. You didn't hear any "noise" before the primary and so think the vote voiding wasn't important?

I respectfully suggest you didn't hear anything because your head was up your citizenship fanny. But you are in good company: all the so-called civil rights leaders discussed in this article were right with you.

During Jim Crow, some Americans were told they couldn't couldn't count in American elections. The same thing happened this year. The 2008 Democratic Party is the greatest mass disenfranchiser of voters in American history save only eight decades of Jim Crow. As with Jim Crow, the citizens who didn't count didn't count because people with the power decided it served their political purposes to void the votes of some American-----2.7 million of them and you missed hearing any noise. So too did John Lewis and his colleagues.

You were all blind to the rights of some Americans, just like the all the people on the sidelines when Jim Crow ruled., just like Bull Connor.

One-person one-vote, by law for every American election solves this problem and vindicates all the values embodied in worlds like "all men created equal" and "equal protection" under the law.

If you pick and choose where those values should apply to suit the political advantages of your preferred candidate, you are just like Bull Connor.

Bob Johnson is in no way a deacon of the black community, any more than Larry Flynt is a deacon of the white community. Both got rich peddling filth. Your assertions discredits your whole article, in my view.

To me, and many others, Johnson is the ultimate sellout. I don't even think a black president can reverse the symbolic damage to the black male image that BET has done.

If you are going to continue to obsess over the racism of Black America( as you did so much during the Obama/Clinton primary), it is best not to use two world class anti-semites and the nastiest anti-black female smut peddler in the history of this nation as contrasting forms of black leadership.

Issywise......you need to chill out on the Bull Conner references in regards to me. I never once said that just because of the fiasco that happened in Florida that those votes should not have counted. I simply stated that there should have been more fuss made during that process instead of dealing with the issues after the fact, which made it look like partisan politics. So no, the issue was not black and white...politics is never black and white.

Also, don't "respectfully" suggest anything to me using insults. I do not mind that you state your opinion and your views that differ from mine; that is more than fine. This forum lends itself to that discourse. But do not compare me to the Bull Conners of the world, and don't make assumptions about who I voted for and even if you do, learn to have a little more class.

Sorry, didn't mean to personally offend.

Since this is a forum for discourse, can you distinguish this year's vote voiding from Jim Crow's? I don't think it unfair to say you and these veteran civil rights heroes are complacent on the vote voiding this year--not even seeing the vote voiding as a civil rights matter at all: How come?

On what principle is this year's mass disenfranchisement acceptable and Jim Crow's not?

Issywise....

I never stated that the Florida voters were not cheated. I simply said that the issue was not as black and white as you suggested. I also stated that not enough fuss was made about this very important issue before the Florida primary elections. I am not complicit with these certain leaders who wanted to disenfranchise Florida voters so please stop lumping me in that category.

Once again, I stated that not enough ppl in positions of power voiced their opinions. I would have voted during that primary if I lived in Florida so and I do not believe that this is the fault of the voters. This was the fault of a shoddy voting process that needs to be addressed. That is the argument that I made fromt the beginning.

Why is Sean asking Bob Johnson what he thinks about BO. He's only a money maker. Scratch him from the inerview list please.

I don't have a big picture perspective; I can say that a young man who might've only walked right past me earlier, tonight said something to me--to test me, to tease me, whatever--that he might not have before this magnificent event. One tiny change, but a change nonetheless. A corner turned, and for the best.