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The Dropout Epidemic

BS Top - Bissonnette College Dropouts 174 Offering admission and financing to virtually every student who wants to enroll in college has resulted in a dropout rate of nearly 50% -- and an incredible amount of money down the drain.

My high school was a small charter school that harbored the singular mission of sending all its students off to college. An obsession with college preparation permeated all of our coursework. By senior year, most kids had full-blown college fever.

Sure enough, nearly everyone in our class ended up at one college or another. I remember being slightly puzzled, knowing that some of my friends were unlikely to make it through four years at the schools they’d enrolled in. They were great, smart people, but I knew them well – at that point in their lives, they lacked the focus, drive and maturity they would need to graduate.

Student lenders have absolutely no incentive to encourage responsible borrowing because they will get paid back -- you can file for bankruptcy 400 times, and your student loans will still be there.

Now I'm a sophomore at UMass Amherst, and sure enough, at least a few of these students have already dropped out -- after blowing tens of thousands of dollars on tuition and fees at expensive, but not especially good, private colleges. Some of this money came from their parents, some came from the federal government in the form of the Pell Grants, some came from the colleges themselves, and, especially troubling, some came in the form of student loans that these kids will have to pay down while working low-wage jobs.

This is not a small number of students. Government figures show that of students who entered four-year colleges in 1997, just 54% had earned a degree six years later. A professor wrote  about this issue in The Atlantic earlier this year, arguing that it’s immoral to tell all students they can go to college, then crush their dreams by failing half of them. But the problem has deeper effects than hurt feelings: the 54% graduation rate means that around 46% of all money used to finance college tuition results in no degree.

Which means that financially speaking, the spectacularly high dropout rate boils down to a spectacularly bad investment. Though there’s no specific data, one can imagine the countless millions that are wasted financing educations that never come to fruition. We could try to predict which students would be part of the 46% who don’t finish, then encourage those students not to go to college. But to do this would mean a lot of students who might graduate never get to give it a shot. That wouldn’t be fair. So what we can do instead is identify the 5% or 10% of students who are the least likely to graduate, and not send them to college.

The problem is, the current system provides no way, and no incentive, for doing that. In fact, the Free Application For Student Aid (FAFSA) doesn’t take into account an applicant’s academic record at all. The rationale behind this is reasonable and admirable: we don't want federal student aid to be restricted only to the best and the brightest, many of whom come from backgrounds that made it easy for them to excel. But doesn't it make sense, on some level, to withhold aid from the students who have shown during high school that they’re clearly not equipped to make it through four years of college? Doing so would be a big step toward recouping some of that wasted 46% of lost financing.

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December 22, 2008 | 7:11am
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joanlaughlin

I totally agree with you. What these private for profit colleges like the Art Institutes and Phoenix colleges do is practically criminal. I taught at an Art Institute for one quarter and was so disturbed by the corporate environment for profit environment that I quit. They consider each student who enrolls a form of income and will continue to enroll students who have failed repeatedly and show absolutely no signs of even wanting to be in college. We're talking alot of money, too. It costs about $80,000. to get a degree from there. If a teacher wants to fail a student, they have to get the student's signature since, well, the student is the client and the teacher is the servant. It's incredibly fucked up.
On the other hand, I have also taught at community colleges for seven years and have seen the quality of the student change dramatically for the better. As state universities raise tuition, students turn to community college for their basic courses. Most of the students are very capable, many are older and can find a schedule that fits their work schedule. I've heard from more than one college student that the classes that they've taken at community college were better than those they took at university. This could have something to do with the diversity of the classroom and the commitment of the teacher. There is a sense that community colleges fill an important social role and I've found community college instructors for the most part to be very committed despite dismal wages.
Another problem hinted at is the failure of primary education to motivate a love of learning in the student. It is my opinion that most high schools these days are simply forms of incarceration - places for kids to go while parents have to work. The kids are coming out so depressed and passive and lethargic that they can't do anything. It's a huge problem that we need to address as a culture and it's about much more than our education systems, it's really about how much we value our children's minds and spirits.

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7:49 am, Dec 22, 2008
junkemailmenot

I got through a VERY inexpensive public undergraduate university in three years, and a moderately expensive MA in five. As someone who works primarily with college students and college-bound high school students, I feel like the best solution to this problem is one that the author fails to touch upon. Take time off. I believe that every student should take a year off (at least) after high school, before university. This will weed out those who do not have the drive to go to university, as there will be no pressure to immediately enter upon graduation from high school. Those who do decide to attend after a few years will have real life experience to inform their decisions about career tracks and majors. They will switch majors less, probably graduate in less time, and there years of partying won't be subsidised by whoever is funding their education. Ideally, a year or two of service (peace corps, military, Americorps, etc...) would be a perfect option, with a guarantee that the federal gov't will pay for a year of tuition to any public university the student is accepted to, in exchange for every year of public service the student completed. An individual could work in Americorps for four years, go to university for free, and still graduate at 26.

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8:31 am, Dec 22, 2008
category5

I call BS on this. Zac, I urge you to follow your premise to it's logical conclusion. You need to become a geneticist so you can develop a foolproof test for success inside the womb! Then you can just abort all the sub-standard babies! Build the super race!

I seem to remember that Bill Gates and Albert Einstein were college dropouts. Only in Lake Wobegone are all children above average.

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8:34 am, Dec 22, 2008
artigiano

The truth is that a motivated student can get a better education at a junior college than an unmotivated student can at the most prestigious Ivy League school. Parents need to realize that no college can remake your slacker child into a motivated successful adult. Colleges don't raise kids and shape their personality, parents do. If parents want to waste money sending their precious little mush-brain to Yale or Harvard then there is little we can do to stop them. Stupid runs in families unfortunately.

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9:01 am, Dec 22, 2008
susquehannastudio

Looking back at 6 years in college, being a teaching assistant and a stab at graduate school, I wish I had worked for a couple of years and waited until I was in my twenties to enroll. I would have made better course choices and would have chosen a college more suited to my needs.

The overcrowded "core" courses taught by graduate assistants and the retired were mostly a waste of my money and time. Universities have become a country club culture aimed at warehousing the upper middle class.

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9:07 am, Dec 22, 2008
tvstvs

Do not assume that attending college and not finishing is a waste, but finishing is not a waste. Presumably those who attend college without graduating learn something, business, western civilization, history, science, even simply an appreciation for knowledge. I read years ago that those who attend college but do not finish read more in later life than college graduates who think they know it all because they have a diploma. Of course not all students are diligent, but even many with college degrees don't know much. Obviously college is a waste for some, but finishing college is not a valid criterion for determining waste.

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9:39 am, Dec 22, 2008
BrentB

Note: It's the Free Application for Federal Student Aid.

Your proposal is well-intentioned, but critics will say no American government will ever give itself the authority to evaluate high school graduates and advise them on where to pursue higher education. Should the government also advise people on what career would be best for them? Or whether they're responsible enough to take out a risky mortgage on their house?

Oh, wait.

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10:17 am, Dec 22, 2008

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10:18 am, Dec 22, 2008
jkh5804

There is some truth in this, and more people should give community college a chance. However, from someone in the top 54%, I find this statement troubling, "But the problem has deeper effects than hurt feelings: the 54% graduation rate means that around 46% of all money used to finance college tuition results in no degree." That statement assumes that all college tuition is paid up front, which it obviously is not. The 54% who graduate pay multiple years of tuition, while the 46% who don't, obviously pay less. What's UMass Amherst teaching these days anyway?

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10:27 am, Dec 22, 2008
Veronicaxy

I was one of those kids completely unready for college. Completely agree with you on motivation. But not getting the degree, if you are capable of it, is a career limiting move for most people.

The smartest career investment I ever made (next to the eventual four year degree) was to get killer keyboard skills, dress well, be polite, be on-time, work hard and sign up with the best temp agency in town, asking them to send me into a variety of industries (you can sit years in a temp assignment, that wasn't the goal). My parents were upset, but all I knew was I had no direction.

Sure enough after a couple of years I found the industry I wanted to work in -- I liked the people, environment, the pay and the work.

When I went to college I was very motivated.

Just last month I was asked by a woman who had only an associate degree for help getting into a company she admired --- after talking with friends I had to tell her there was no way the competition is so fierce her peers have MBAs. She had a great resume and references too. She said only recently has her two year degree been an issue. Yet she's not willing to go back to school.

A degree is just one step. Education and major adjustments don't end for most of us, though.

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10:30 am, Dec 22, 2008
mcirish

The sad, but true fact is that a diploma does mean something. In this job market, being able to wow them in an interview is not a substitution for a "University of suchandsuch" on your resume. College for some has become a place to go for four (or so) years and come out with a better chance of being hired somewhere, regardless of how you performed there.

I don't think I'd agree that this makes college truly a waste of money. Besides, once you get a job with that swell degree of yours, its your responsibility to prove to your employer that you're not an idiot and that you did learn something in college. Those who have a dedication to and a love for learning are the ones who will excel in a job once they get it. But its still the college graduates who are getting their collective foot in the door first.

Also, Zac, way to pick up the feminine pronoun when you start talking about your example student who's not cut out for four years of college. That was cute.

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10:33 am, Dec 22, 2008
besarlin

I went to a top liberal arts school, but we had several students who had transferred from community colleges and all of them, I recall, were highly successful. One's even in a PhD program now.

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10:34 am, Dec 22, 2008
prufrock

Basing a student's probability of college graduation on that student's "academic record" assumes that an academic record accurately measures ability, drive, and other desirable factors, in predictable amounts. What do grades really measure? How well a student can cheat and not get caught? How much a parent hounds the student to finish his or her work? How nicely a student behaves? If a teacher has a prejudice for or against any number of groups and traits? If one teacher is an easy grader while another is tougher?

Even if cheating and bias could be removed from the equation, the final grades of a gifted student who slacks and of a hard-working student lacking competence are often the same on the surface, though those grades tell very different stories.

Until we establish a more accurate and detailed system of measuring and reporting academic abilities and predicting academic success, we should guard against assigning our current system more power to determine a student's future.

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10:54 am, Dec 22, 2008
Buffal0gal

People, people, there is a third way. Public, 4-year universities can be a really good value. Don't think that private liberal arts schools and community colleges are the only choices. While community college is a good solution for lots of kids, I still think a 4-year university offers some benefits you can't get anywhere else. There is a lot of learning (life skills) that goes on outside the classroom that you're not going to have if you live at home.

I love the idea of standardizing the gap year. A lot of students go to college because that's the next thing expected of them, not because they're dying to learn.

I'm encouraging my two teens to do a gap year and then move into the dorms at our in-town university rather than living at home.

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11:24 am, Dec 22, 2008
finderj

There might be a simpler solution than evaluating every high school student's aptitude for college/university. What about forgiving a portion of their student loans if they actually graduate with a degree? Then there is no judgement on who is fit for college or not - there is simply a reward for succeeding at it. There could be lots of workable variations on the idea of rewarding the attainment of a university degree with actual results that genuinely effect the student and his/her ability to repay his/her loans.
Of course, that doesn't take into account the opposite problem. I returned to school as an adult, completed my bachelor's and masters, then got a PhD in 2005. Currently, I make $12 an hour. No chance in hell of me ever paying off my student loans at that rate.

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12:19 pm, Dec 22, 2008
ScottRose

Why would the aim be to detect who will have difficulty graduating, and bar them from entering, rather than to prepare them better to enter and succeed?

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12:21 pm, Dec 22, 2008
Zoiebean

What about all those people who graduate with a four-year degree and still can't find better-paying jobs?I think there is a myth being perpetuated that all you have to do is graduate and you have it made. We are being sold a bill of goods.

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12:23 pm, Dec 22, 2008
IJamesB

Zac,

You are an elitist. I hope you know this about yourself. Every article you write is a fascist piece of junk.

I know that you have nothing but disdain for you fellow students and collegiate peers (sorry you didn't get invited to the keg party!) but please stop letting predatory lenders off the hook.

What would be more helpful to everyone is if the true costs of going to college were transparent. The truth is that college grads make more money long term than high school graduates and that community colleges work for some but not others. Just has high school grades are not perfect measurement for collegiate success.

I have an idea: Try writing an article--just ONE--that is not based on how stupid your peers are and how they don't deserve help going to college.

Out of the many difficulties we're facing as a country--I find it difficult to swallow more education as part of the problem.




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1:02 pm, Dec 22, 2008
snowdrift

I am a perfect example of an individual who had the grades but upon entering University - didn't have the drive. I fluncted out the first year and got a full-time job. I then went through college for 2 years and transfered back into University. I didn't have my priorities straight the first time I attended University, but the second time around, I knew what had to be done. I then went on to graduate studies.
This goes to show that not everyone who has the grades will make it the first time around. This problem is not a simple one to fix. I think what high school counsellors need to do is inform students of their choices, let them know what post-secondary education is really like. Give them all the choices and information so that they can make the decision themselves.

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1:34 pm, Dec 22, 2008
Billybobw79

I recommend an associate-degree in a two-year Technical College, they are much less of a rip-off than every 4 year college. If you attain a associate degree, and are still unhappy with your "title" or wages. Then I would waste more money on a 4-year degree. That's what I did, and I am very happy with the job I attained with my associates degree. Best part is that I will have my student loans paid for in 1 year.

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1:34 pm, Dec 22, 2008
millerton

I think the lack of motivation problem found among many undergrads is more the fault of parents and high school guidance counselors than the students themselves.

Most parents want their kids to be good reflection on the family so they put pressure on them, whether it be tacit or explicit, to aim for the most prestigious college and impressive major. And, from my own experience, high school guidance counselors use students as pawns for maintaining the image of their school; the more kids you send to big name colleges, the better the reputation of the school becomes.

In my opinion, the interest of these outside parties perverts the decision making process for the student and can result in low motivation levels. High school seniors are much too young to have a deep self-awareness or an idea of where they fit in the economy.At that stage in their life they should be asked two questions as they decide where and what to study: which classes are you the most enthusiastic about and in which class do you feel the most confident?If kids can pick a course of college study after earnestly answering these questions then they will probably be motivated and ambitious in college.

As they mature and enter the "real world" during their college and post-college years they will eventually realize whether they want to pursue further education or employment that revolves around prestige, earning potential, service to others, creative expression, etc. But at least they wouldn't have wasted time and money sleepwalking toward a degree they care nothing about.

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2:33 pm, Dec 22, 2008
idiotking

You're on the right track, but you don't quite get it right. Up until very recently, a university education -- the full, 4-year, liberal-arts program -- was about becoming an academic, an intellecual, or at the very least (as it was for the rich and dumb), a cultured person with the right connections.

Now, most people who go to college have no NEED to go to college to pursue a satisfying career. A technical college, a trade school, an apprenticeship, SHOULD suffice. But somehow we have elevated a BA into a prerequisite for such fields as marketing, business management, and communications (to quote The Simpsons... "I know! Is phony major!").

On the one hand, this cheapens and minimizes the genuine academic opportunities for people with real academic interests and passions, and on the other, forces millions of kids to spend thousands of dollars on things they'll never use, and have no interest in.

Why? Because in our uniquely American way, we broke down the exclusivity of the University system. We turned "everyone should be *able* to go to college" into "everyone *should* go to college." At the same time, we regularly turn up our noses at the grunt-work that keeps our country moving forward -- building roads, designing bridges, being plumbers, carpenters, small business owners -- and the trade schools and 2-year programs that train people for them. In many European countries, one can learn a trade, go into it, and make a good living, have respect in the community, and never have had to write a 15 page b.s. paper on "Intergender dynamics in 18th century literature of the british isles."

The problem, of course, is the idiot rich -- the ones who were sent to college to gain some society stamp of approval, and make the "right" connections. You know, like our current president. While once they were merely an inconvenience, or sometimes even useful stepping stepping stones for the intellectually inclined to meet, we have now become an entire nation of people trying to imitate the rich and foolish -- never mind whether we have the money, or the reason, to do so.

Of course, it doesn't help that most students leave our secondary schools so woefully unprepared they often need to go to college just to learn basic writing and math skills... But I digress. Let's return to reason. Let's build a stellar secondary education system. Let's restore the honor and dignity of basic trades, engineering, and business -- and the schools that prepare people for them. Then, lets scale back our colleges so that they're no longer serving as remedial high school, or expensive day care centers.

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2:34 pm, Dec 22, 2008
Havblue

Hopefully, employers will gradually adjust to the fact that a 4 year degree doesn't teach many skills that are practical for most positions: history, psychology, biology etc. A lot of this material is wasted on most students and it will only stop once they don't have to jump through as many hoops to achieve a decent career.

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2:41 pm, Dec 22, 2008
sarahvaz

Okay, so this doesn't even make sense. It's poorly researched, your thesis isn't followed through to its logical conclusion, you fail to anticipate or address criticisms of your theory, and you have bizzarely misappropriated your 46% calculation on to several very different financial figures after its initial use. Maybe a certain writer should drop out of college b/c based on this performance here I'd assess his ability to succeed in college as extremely low.

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2:54 pm, Dec 22, 2008
writerforhire

I agree. College can be a waste of time and money. A private education is not what it used to be and in reality unless you are a minority from a private college you are placed at the bottom of the gene pool. Also, we live in a time when credentials can be expertly fabricated and if one can hop the express to a six figure salary then why not and save the money.

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3:04 pm, Dec 22, 2008
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The Dropout Epidemic

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