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Madoff Employee Breaks Silence
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In a Daily Beast exclusive, one of the fraudster’s employees tells Lucinda Franks that the supposedly legitimate brokerage operations were in fact just money-losing fronts for the fraudster's scheme. Plus, what Madoff’s sons told staff the day after Bernie’s arrest, trips to the company’s secretive 17th floor, Bernie’s obsession with the color black and employee neatness, the roles of other family members, and visits to the founder’s Montauk home.
An employee of Bernard Madoff’s legitmate brokerage operations, which were described by the fraudster in his plea agreement as being “successful and profitable,” has told The Daily Beast that they were in fact money-losers that acted as a front for his Ponzi scheme.
He said that these businesses, the proprietary and market-making arms on the 18th and 19th floors of Madoff Securities, were designed to lure investors in, especially highly placed figures in society, and to fool the SEC into thinking that he had a large and impressive galaxy of businesses.
But behind the façade, these businesses were a shambles. They were excessively staffed with grossly overpaid people, and run with marked inefficiency, he said.
“I keep thinking about the 90-year-old man who lost even his house and is bagging groceries. Then I think of the fact that I may have gotten paid with his money."
The employee, who did not want to be identified because of possible lawsuits or threats by victims, was a member of an elite group that designed sophisticated computer-trading programs. His identity was verified by consulting the Madoff employment roster, where he was listed. He also has an employment confirmation letter and a letter of reference from the Madoff firm.
His description of how the legitimate arms of Madoff Securities were run sounds like a skit out of Monty Python. “The three managers who ran parts of the businesses were getting $500,000 to $750,000 a year and they didn’t even know anything about modern computerized trading,” the employee said. They knew only the antiquated methods of talking to clients and trading in the stock market by phone. They mostly socialized, read the news. They would have been unemployable on the outside.”
The employee learned the salaries of his colleagues when he secretly obtained a document listing them. “A senior computer programmer would make $350,000, where in most comparable firms they would be getting $200,000 to $250,000. The customer-relations people, who just handled complaints from clients, were making six figures. There wasn’t anyone who wasn’t paid in the hundreds of thousands,” he said, adding: “There were twice as many people as were needed and there was rampant inefficiency.
"The company could have been profitable but the Madoffs didn’t seem to care. The business model made no sense,” said the employee. "In actuality the trading groups were generating profits and the company had enormous potential."
The employee was part of a trading group, which was able to break a security code that he says led them to a site that was supposed to be seen only by the Madoff family. It showed the profits and losses of the legitimate businesses. Even in years when they grossed $25 to $50 million, they calculated in the outlandish costs and thus concluded that the firm barely broke even and some years lost money.
Sources in the Madoff investigation confirm the losses that the employee described to me. We sat across from each other at a long black table in the house of an intermediary who arranged the interview. He was nervous, swallowing, hesitating, reluctant to talk. But when we got started, he spoke freely and even eagerly about his strange experiences with the Madoffs.










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Wow..now it's starting to all come together....freaky!
there are enough red herrings in this story to indicate that there are bodies everywhere....inside the madeoff facade and outside in the regulatory bodies looking on
An absolute bombshell!
Another insight into the Madoff "House of Mirrors"......
Will the stories ever end?Stay Tuned!
Lucinda Franks deserves yet another journalism award for her work on this issue. She worked for us, which is a pleasant "change" we can believe in.
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You are so right!. That's why, one month after your post, we have made no progress in this case. SIPC is not paying us the money that we are legally entitled to under the laws in this country. The higher-ups are not talking at all. We, the legitimate account holders are not getting any help from any quarter. So where are the bodies buried?
Since I've been critical of other posts on the Madoff case by Lucinda Franks--which seemed just recycled information from other papers--I have to tip my hat on thise one. It contains real information, not available elsewhere.
Good job.
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Holy crap. What an interview! And I say good for that former employee coming forward to tell this story now, risking heaven only knows what. Yeah, it's easy for us to say, "How could he possibly not have known?" and natter on about how we'd have done better and they must all have known or be congenitally stupid (as Derida suggests in comment 5), but unaffiliated hindsight is 20/20. The Devil never looks like the Devil; that's how he gets away with it.
Lucinda will be getting a subpoena any minute demanding the name of this person, although she gave enough clues for investigators to identify him or her.
The over-compensation factor reminded me of Charles Keating who used to pay secretaries and clerks six figures. This should be one of the first things SEC investors look for when checking out investment firms. Count up all the clerks making an excessive wage, subtract one for the boss' gf and then look closely if there are many more.
I feel pretty confident in stating that the Bankruptcy court and the Criminal Court cases will state the Trading and Proprietary businesses of BLMIS were money losing entities. The records of the trading business were just as much of a mess as the Investment Advisory. Madoff was laundering the Investment Advisory funds to his Trading operations Bank of New York Accounts.
Another reason why the Trading side of the business wasn't making money, the salaries were not in line with earnings, never mind that the bonuses were probably exorbitant as well.
I cannot believe that only a couple of people knew that something was amiss at Madoff's place of business, I agree that more investigating is required into this gigantic Ponzi scheme. People get nuts when it comes to money, they stop thinking about reality and just see dollar signs. If something seems to be too good to be true, more than likely its not true. From the investors to the traders to the sons to the SEC, folks were blinded by quick money, easy profits by a sociopath who cared little about others. Huh, sounds like America as a whole these days! Good job Ms. Franks!!!
A good article, full of shocking substance - stupidity a la lemmings. I only wish that more articles I read in DB were as interesting
Very good piece. But shouldn't this employee be talking to investigators, not reporters?
Of course, they'll be knocking on his door any minute now. Hell, they're probably already there.
OUTSTANDING! This is why I continue to read the Beast.
And I have to agree with the employee--it would be very hard to leave if you were making a large salary and couldn't replicate it elsewhere. Many people could be trapped this way.
Kind of reminds me of General Motors.........
It looks like Madoff borrowed from the "Mob" years ago and them found him self stuck with new "Partners" and made the most of it. Fish Heads and gloves for Bernie??
Can somebody tell me what is the difference between Madoff's scheme and AIG's Financial Products division's Credit Default Swaps. It seems they both sold a lot of nothing to a lot of people.
Don't be surprised when this is all said and done that we find out the number of politicians who had their hands in this pot. The present administration comes to mind. Crooks flock together. Madoff, Dodds, Franks, Schumer, Clintons, Obama and his Hollywood friends, Acorn, etc., etc. etc. Just wait and see.
Really interesting piece. Thanks, Lucinda. Love how someone here referred to Bernie as "Made-off'" Creative play of words! What really struck me about this piece was this employee's comments at the end---how he's wondering now if he was paid with money that belonged--for instance--to the 90 year-old guy bagging groceries. It made me cognizant of the idea that Bernie's vctims are almost countless, from the investors who lost millions, to the guy who quit the firm years ago and feels complicit somehow.
Keep up the good work.....
So Bernie's a neatnik. His prison experience is going to be even more hell than I thought,
Great story about this dirt bag and his family. They should throw this scum and the fake wife in jail in one of the worse on earth to rot. Take every thing they got away.
They complain about greed well they should start rounding up all these dirt bags like them and throw them in jail and stop wasting money on long lengthy trials. And start paying back some of the people they hurt.
ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!! Wow! Is this story boring and poorly written, or what?
schlocking. THIS is America. a rogue colony of greedy Euro cast offs ... and u tried to make (us) think its was just Australia ... LOL
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