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UPDATE, 5/06: The Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) has completed a 220-page report looking into possible ethics violations by Jay S. Bybee, John C. Yoo and Steven G. Bradbury—the three principal authors of the Bush administration’s legal memoranda that gave a green light to the use of classic torture techniques. According to one Justice source who has read the report, its conclusions are “devastating” and contrary to the New York Times, criminal charges aren’t off the table—Attorney General Eric Holder just has to make up his mind. READ MORE HERE
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The Daily Beast has learned that department lawyers are "incensed" at the White House for waging a frontal assault on their independence to prosecute over torture.
On Sunday, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, appearing on ABC’s This Week, underscored that President Obama had promised that CIA agents who acted in reliance on Bush-era Justice Department memoranda approving since-repudiated torture techniques would not face criminal investigation or prosecution. Then he went one step further, stating “those who devised the policy, he believes that they were—should not be prosecuted either.” A few hours later, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs reiterated Emanuel’s remarks as official policy. But during the course of the day on Tuesday the White House appeared suddenly to shift gears. President Obama, responding to a reporter’s question, declared that he was not prejudging a possible criminal investigation or prosecution of "those who formulated those legal decisions" behind the interrogation methods. What happened?
"[Rahm Emanuel] described it in a way that clearly suggested that political judgment was driving the entire process," one senior Justice official told me. "It was depressing and amateurish."
Members of the White House press corps struggled to explain the shift, many of them suggesting that Obama was pandering to his political base. But the winds of change blew in from an address just down Pennsylvania Avenue. The Daily Beast has learned that senior Justice Department lawyers were “incensed” at the Emanuel and Gibbs statements, as one put it—not because they disagreed with Obama’s apparent opposition to an investigation and prosecution, but because the statements violated well-established rules separating political figures in the White House from decisions about active criminal cases. The statements were viewed as a frontal assault on the autonomy and independence of the criminal-justice system. “Emanuel got far ahead of the process and described it in a way that clearly suggested that political judgment was driving the entire process,” one senior Justice official told me. “It was depressing and amateurish.”
Now the White House misstep may in fact be propelling the process in the opposite direction. Another Justice Department official observed, “The department is now in the process of making some very tough decisions about what to do with this extremely complex and difficult matter. Emanuel’s statement was unfortunate, because now if the attorney general decides against appointing a special prosecutor, people are going to believe that this was a politically dictated decision. The only clear way out of this bind may now be to do what the critics suggest and appoint a special prosecutor.” Demands for the appointment of a special prosecutor have been proliferating in recent days following the release of the torture memoranda on April 16.
The demand for accountability gained an additional influential voice on Tuesday with a statement issued by Senator Carl Levin (D-MI), chairman of the Armed Services Committee. “I have recommended to Attorney General Holder,” he said, “that he select a distinguished individual or individuals—either inside or outside the Justice Department, such as retired federal judges—to look at the volumes of evidence relating to treatment of detainees, including evidence in the Senate Armed Services Committee’s report, and to recommend what steps, if any, should be taken to establish accountability of high-level officials—including lawyers.” Levin justifies the call for a special prosecutor on the grounds that the inquiry will inevitably need to focus on internal dealings inside the Bush Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel that prepared the torture memos, the Criminal Division, and the attorney general’s office. No currently serving prosecutor would have the required measure of detachment to handle such an investigation.
One of Holder’s priorities since arriving at Justice has been bolstering the department’s tarnished reputation as an independent law-enforcement agency free of political influence. During the Bush years, the department was shaken by allegations that prosecutions were brought or dropped as a result of pressure from the White House. A special prosecutor is now completing an investigation of allegations of political manipulation connected with the Bush administration’s decision to dismiss nine U.S. attorneys who were judged to be insufficiently zealous in pursuit of politically directed targets. Holder recently appointed the department’s senior ethics expert, Marshall Jarrett, to head the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys, as a response to these concerns.
International developments also complicate the Justice Department’s handling of the matter. In an interview with the Austrian newspaper Der Standard on Sunday, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak sharply condemned reports that Obama had decided against an investigation of allegations of torture involving the CIA. “Obama has violated international law,” Nowak stated, because the Convention Against Torture mandates a criminal inquiry be undertaken whenever there is credible evidence that torture occurred.
International-law experts within the Justice Department recognize that Nowak’s analysis is correct with respect to a criminal investigation, although they do not appear to share his view that a prosecution is mandated. They take the view that the Convention preserves the full prosecutorial discretion of a domestic prosecutor, who would be able to collect the available evidence and decide whether to prosecute on the basis of domestic law, including prosecutorial guidelines and factors such as how compelling the evidence is, the likely reaction of a jury, and the availability of affirmative defenses—such as reliance on legal memoranda of the Justice Department. Still, they agree that the failure to investigate the public reports of torture is impossible to reconcile with the United States’ obligations under the Torture Convention.
Finally, the pending criminal case in Spain targeting the Bush Six—former administration officials implicated in setting the torture policy—adds another complexity. Spanish prosecutors, who opposed the prosecution of the case after the Spanish attorney general intervened in opposition, told State Department officials that the Spanish case would likely be suspended if the Justice Department were to take up an investigation. A decision by Holder to open a probe would therefore likely protect the Bush Six from prosecution overseas.
On April 21, Levin declassified the Senate Armed Services Committee’s exhaustive study of the treatment of detainees. The report lands a series of devastating blows on Bush administration claims since the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. It firmly links the abuses at Abu Ghraib to abusive interrogation practices that the administration introduced, specifically documenting how the techniques Rumsfeld approved for use at Guantánamo worked their way into the list of approved techniques in Afghanistan and Iraq as well.
It ridicules Pentagon claims that the problems were the product of a “few rotten apples.” “The record established by the committee’s investigation shows that senior officials sought out information on, were aware of training in, and authorized the use of abusive interrogation techniques,” Senator Levin said. “Those senior officials bear significant responsibility for creating the legal and operational framework for the abuses. As the committee report concluded, authorizations of aggressive interrogation techniques by senior officials resulted in abuse and conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were appropriate treatment for detainees in U.S. military custody.”
Obama’s initial statement that CIA agents involved in the Bush “enhanced interrogation techniques” program would not be investigated or prosecuted was taken at the Justice Department as pushing the boundaries of political involvement in criminal law. But the statement by Emanuel, seen as a distinctly political figure, was perceived at Justice as going beyond those boundaries, according to high Justice officials. Within Justice, if Holder follows the now well-articulated views of the president and his chief of staff, the fear is that the attorney general would be viewed as a political subordinate in the mold of Alberto Gonzales. Ironically, the White House pronouncements have contributed to the momentum for a special prosecutor. That development coincides with the congressional voices now being raised for such an appointment.
Scott Horton is a law professor and writer on legal and national-security affairs for Harper's magazine and The American Lawyer, among other publications.









I am glad Obama has finally seen the light on accountability for torture. We hold people that commit small misdemeanors accountable, so we should not have a double standard
Follow-up and possible prosecution are critical to prevent future decisions by the executive that would otherwise be made with impunity.
Some pretty acute and smart people in the Justice Department now
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Scott, thx for the wonderful reporting. It really helps to clarify the confusion from the past few days. The WH did not handle this issue with their usual aplomb and I am extremely glad that Holder and the DOJ's took this stance. I support the president and love where he is taking us, but we don't need a uber executive branch, a report of the Bush years. This is the first significant sign that the days of political toadies like Alberto and Myers are over. Great news for the country.
How about a timely story? Since Obama gave the go ahead on Tuesday this is old/incorrect news......
All of this leads to one obvious question: Who needs intelligence professionals when you have campaign advisers?
Cool down. Cool down. Cool down. And, please, leave the inflammatory language outside the door. "Incensed"? Is that what the professional lawyers at the Justice Department are in considering statements about future prosecutions for torture?
Where were these self-righteous career lawyers during the Bush years?
The decisions as to whether to prosecute everyone who participated in the numerous activities which may or may not come under the umbrella of torture are certainly political and not purely prosecutorial. The decisions as to what activities are to be considered criminal have always been in the hands of legislatures and political executives, and, certainly, the courts. The decision as to whether or not an act is criminal is not just a prosecutorial finding.
There are some very serious morale issues here. In the real world, higher civil servants require obedience of their subordinates. Do you prosecute CIA individuals who act under the guidance of legal opinions coming out of the White House and, yes, the lawyers of that self-same Justice Department? Are we expecting to have Nurenberg trials in which "following orders" is never an excuse, even in the grayest of areas?
Just cool down. The Obama people also have to face a Congress, particularly on the Republican side, who rarely questioned the behavior of the Bush administration in its conduct of "anti-terrorist" activities.
It may be best to take the entire issue of prosecution for torture out of the hands of the Justice Department entirely. We may really need a Special Prosecutor with his or her own staff.
But, cut the garbage about DofJ lawyers and their suddenly new righteousness.
Are we expecting to have Nurenberg trials in which "following orders" is never an excuse, even in the grayest of areas?
This is why we need to follow due process. Only the legal system has any chance of separating the guilty from the dupes.
I wish we had more Edward Kennedys and fewer Scott Hortons. Wouldn't it be great if the public could shed the fixation on Bush-administration torture and turn its anger toward the country's lack of an adequate health-care system? I feel that this is somewhat in line with Obama's way of thinking. The problem with torture prosecution also a matter, of who, how many, to what extent where involvement is concerned.
In this case he first flipped but at least he didn't flop, he eventually made the right decision. He is however still flipping and flopping in foreign policy; he chose to boycott the united nations anti-racism conference... caving in to Israeli pressure, and he is letting Israel's shameless Foreign minister Evigdor Lieberman (a self declared anti-Palestinian racist) get away with comments such as "the US will do whatever we want them to do"
Excellent point. Thank you for highlighting that. Obama pretended to be concerned about racism and obviously, now that he has been anointed "dear leader", suddenly speaks out on behalf of racists like Lieberman.Rahm suddenly informs the American electorate that he, Rahm, really is our "dear leader" because he has been reminded by Israel that he "should not forget he is Jewish'. This is a nightmare.
All I can say is that throughout thousands of years, dictatorships never ever ever relinquish their power by truly democratic means.
I don't know what you mean by "truly democratic" but how about Rome when they cast out the Tarquins?
"Another Justice Department official observed, 'The department is now in the process of making some very tough decisions about what to do with this extremely complex and difficult matter.'"
I am having so much trouble understanding what is so "difficult" or "complex" about this "matter." The cognitive dissonance I experience while observing the kabuki theater that this administration is performing around the subject of torture -- torture! -- is literally making me crazy.
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I absolutely agree with you, but the problem Obama has is that once the floodgates are opened, what will stop the water from taking friend and foe alike. Many Democrats have blood on their hands. Corruption is endemic to our system of politics. Obama does not want to be the American Gorbachev.
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How much of this is insight, how much fantasy, sir?
Ram mispoke big time. This is the most serious of all issues - the abuse of power that permits physical and mental torment, there is no way a political decisions should be made to let sleeping dogs lie. These dogs are alive and yelping.
What is the legal liability for members of Congress?
Members of both the House and Senate Intelligence committees were fully briefed and approved of the interrogation tactics.
Jonathan Turley, proffessor of consitutional law at Washington State University, says there is NO choice: If the judicial branch of government is truly separate ---which was not the case during the Bush ( dictatorship)---- it only has the responsibility to decide prosecutions, and a truly independent prosecutor is the correct approach. This means no one like Kissinger or Hamilton or a zillion other politicized
Israeli firsters.
How soon we forget. No one was complaining about interrogation techniques right after 9-11. One of the reasons that we were attacked was because the CIA had it's hands tied for so many years. We have to let the CIA do their job. If we start to prosecute them for doing their job - they won't do it. The de-classification of this information is a huge mistake. The terrorists are loving this. We are creating a perfect storm of enraging the masses and showing our weakness at the same time. Bravo Obama, bravo.
Instead of stepping lightly into the South American mode of dealing with those who disagrtee with you in prior administrations why don't we just 'goose step' into the full South American way and just shoot anyone who opposes anything that doesn't agree with what you want. Prosecute, jail, threaten, and still the voice of the opposition thought and we loose much of our freedoms. Those who provided their thoughts on the torture and methods used expressed opinions legally and although we might not agree with them are we now going to silence everyone that has a different opinion?
I have to agree with DOJ on this one. The AG must be independent or the president can run amok:
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/04/independent-attorney-general-why.h tml
Look, I'm just an average guy, but literate, and I am Veteran so... why all the crap? We have admittedly "Tortured" human beings, something that is against every moral, principle, and ethic that is what makes us the United States of America, long declared champion of Global, not just U.S., human rights. It is literally our "mantra" that has made us the greatest nation in all of History!!! Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, every Secretary of "whatever", the Bush era Justice Department, the CIA, and countless Military personnel, broke Domestic and International law in a ruthless, once covert, campaign to use Criminal means of interrogations, period. WE ALL KNOW IT! All the rhetoric is just that. The U.S. government "TORTURED" a really large number of Human Beings. NOW... it is "Accountability Time"! The evidence is not only there, most of it has been Public for quite some time, now. What's left? One and only one thing is left as a choice... PROSECUTE them all. We've been prosecuting Nazi criminals for over 60 years, and they have given the exact same excuses as we've been hearing from the Bush administration, and many others. Failure to do so is also a "Criminal" offense set down in plain language in Domestic and International law, and you do not need to be a lawyer to interpret these laws. I've read them at the ACLU web site. Failure to do this... every citizen of our country becomes a criminal, and everyone around the glode knows this, period.
Thank you... that's what some of us have been trying to grind home to those "trying" to justify it.
It should be so simple and straight forward. Do we want to be the people who torture? Do we want to be in the same class of people we have fought against for centuries? If we choose yes.... then the terrorists have already won.
The US Government not only tortured, but some were murdered in the process, and in at least one outrageous case we know of because of photographs, there were incinerated bones found in a crematorium at Abu Ghraib ( We saw this in Auschewitz) : http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/24/080324fa_fact_gourevitch
This idea that waterboarding is "safe" is an outright lie; It partially drowns the prisoner, and some deaths HAVE resulted. That we are a nation not DEMANDING an independent prosecutor get involved but debating it as if we, the people, or the government of Israel, have that right is outrageous: We do not have that right, only the justice department of the US has that right..
"Ironically, the White House pronouncements have contributed to the momentum for a special prosecutor. That development coincides with the congressional voices now being raised for such an appointment."
Ironic? Has anyone considered this might have been the WH's plan all along? Force the DOJ and public to demand a special prosecutor and culpability is off of them.
An interesting interview with a Federal judge on Keith olbermann last night indicated that while a special prosecutor is the correct approach, it would be wiser to DELAY his appointment for a while to allow public discourse which would be stifled once the appointment was made. This happened in the Libby case and everyone clammed up once the appointment was made, and anything that was released, important memos etc from that time on were never allowed to surface (except to the grand jury) and in the end it petered out because of this.. We should bear this in mind and allow Bush and his murderers to hang themselves in public first. And would someone tell Israel to stop reminding Rahm that he is Jewish, implying that he should serve Israel first and not consider America. What chutzpah!!
Conflict between the White House and the Justice Department is to be expected. Clearly, President Obama and AG Holder have set a high bar for ethics and integrity. In particular, because of the multitude of complex issues, no matter how bright or experienced the members, it will take time to form well functioning teams. The relentless pressure of the media will accelerate the process. There will be more conflict but clarity and effectiveness will emerge.
It looks like the government of Pakistan is in major denial; the Taliban are at their throats. In 2003, we Americans were moving into Baghdad and Iraqi TV was still asserting Iraq was winning the war. I get the awful feeling that the Pakistani government may be on TV soon declaring the Taliban are not a problem as the Taliban are taking over their nuclear arsenal. President Obama and his National Defense Team, and Ambassador Richard Holbrooke had better let AG Holder do his job while they focus on Pakistan! I wonder if anybody is wishing General Pervez Musharraf was still running the country. Just a thought. ~ richard allbritton, Miami
youtube - watch the Torture Memos:Waterboarding by therockcookiebottom.
Easily can see why they all should be prosecuted..
Interesting. Rahm and Emanuel and Robert Gilbbs simply spoke too soon. The Armed Services Committee still had their report to publish and so did the Senate Intelligence Committee. Also, take into account Cheney and Rove defending the actions of the former administration so vociferously, I can see how Holder might now be obligated to pursue this to the bitter end.
Thank you.
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