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As Conan takes over his slot tonight, Jay Leno is realizing his new 10 p.m. show will be far different than what he was promised by NBC and even his team is being reshuffled. Kim Masters reports that the pressure to succeed is even greater than when he took over from Johnny.
After taping his final Tonight Show last Friday afternoon, Jay Leno went to a party at a The Castaway, a seriously un-Hollywood banquet hall in the hills north of Burbank.
“The party was at such a Jay place,” says one of the guests—a longtime Leno associate. It was outside and everybody was freezing. There was food and beverage but—nothing pretentious. Let’s put it that way.” Not one for parties, Leno was glancing at his watch by 7:30 p.m.
This guest came away with the sense that Leno is resigned to moving on from his late-night throne and was fixed in his determination that the transition for the new host, Conan O’Brien, be “classy.” Leno was ushered in to the Tonight Show 17 years ago with a chilly handover from Johnny Carson amid hostilities with Carson’s favorite son, David Letterman. “It was such a horrific, horrific experience,” this associate says. “He wanted no part of that kind of transition—and he remembers it like it was yesterday.”
“Jay thinks of his body as something to carry around his head,” quips a former network executive. “He does not take particularly good care about diet or exercise. It wouldn’t be surprising if at some point, that machine has to break.”
To this observer, Leno seemed calm and fit—looking far better than he did at an extraordinarily uncharacteristic appearance a couple of weeks earlier in front of an important audience of advertising executives in New York. Leno is legendary for never having an off night when he does standup, so it came as a surprise when he turned in a flat performance in a packed New York theater just after the network unveiled its fall schedule.
His material was dated. His jokes were stale. “He was doing Hurricane Katrina jokes. I mean, gimme a break,” admits an insider. One of the most striking aspects of Leno’s appearance was his mane of silver hair, which was strangely long and unkempt. An executive at a rival network says the performance—and the look—were discussed at a staff meeting the following week, where he heard that Leno’s hair looked “like it was done by a weed whacker.” An advertiser who skipped the comedy night got the same report from a colleague.
“Somewhere there was a hugely dropped ball,” says a former high-level NBC executive. “The question is what does it reveal?”
Indeed, there were recriminations within NBC about how this was permitted to happen. And the episode raised a question about Leno’s health. A couple of weeks earlier, the 59-year-old comedian had gone to a hospital, calling in sick for the first time in 17 years, and canceling the taping of two shows. He told People magazine, “I think I just probably got worn out.”
That simple diagnosis doesn’t surprise some who have worked with the tireless comic and who say his health has never been a priority. “Jay thinks of his body as something to carry around his head,” quips a former network executive. “He does not take particularly good care about diet or exercise. It wouldn’t be surprising if at some point, that machine has to break.”
In late-night circles, where some are watching the experiment of putting Leno on the air in prime time with undisguised malice. They say that Leno is angry and upset that he allowed himself to be talked into taking the 10 p.m. slot. He has realized that the new arrangement will alter the kind of show that he has to deliver far more than he anticipated. And he knows that he will be under intense scrutiny as the person who could save NBC—or not. “They’ve put a tremendous, tremendous amount on his back,” says a longtime colleague. “If we think he was under pressure when he replaced Johnny, that’s nothing compared to now.”
“Except for the first year, he’s been king,” this former colleague continues. “He’s never gotten the love and respect from critics. He’s gutted it out and it’s been a phenomenal performance. And the reward was, ‘Thank you very much. We’re going with Conan. We won’t be in a position where we lose Conan but we will be in a position to lose you.’ ”
Leno’s ambition was always simply to be king of late night. Now he’s been forced into change—and by all accounts he despises change. The proof, former associates say, is that he stayed at NBC. “God knows, Jay had choices,” one says. “There were two networks that would have paid very handsomely for him... Without a doubt, he knew he had choices but he chose the comfort of staying at home.”
Which turns out not to be so comfortable. Sources say Leno initially was led to believe he could essentially stick with the old format. Now the network has made it clear that he can’t. Late-night rivals figure Leno will have to limit the number of guests that he interviews or—as one puts it—“Conan’s people are going to have a fucking fit.” NBC is pressing for more sketch material and one source says that’s fine with Leno because he has never been especially fond of interviewing celebrity guests.
But that will only be part of the required change. In late night, the beginning of a program matters most; the last segment can be tossed to a band or a comic. The earlier part of the show counts more in the ratings. But with NBC’s affiliates demanding the strongest possible lead-in to their local news shows at 11, Leno will not have that luxury. A knowledgeable source says NBC feels that Leno can still sandwich softer segments into an earlier part of the show. The key will be to have “a lot of comedy up top and to end strong with a signature comedy bit,” he says. But a former NBC executive says any softer material invites viewers to change channels. “All 40-plus minutes of content and time are going to be critically important,” he notes.
And the changes go beyond what is seen on the air. A former associate says one point of great pride for Leno has always been his image as “a super-nice guy who never fires anybody.” (During the 2007 writers’ strike, Leno famously paid his staff out of his own pocket for part of the time they were out of work. Though it must be noted that many writers think he compromised that super-nice-guy image by going back on the air during the strike despite his public support of the guild, of which he is a member.) But now his team is being re-shaped thanks to cost pressures and the creative demands of the new show. Veterans are being pushed out. The former associate says Leno is a “robot” who isn’t particularly attached to individual staff members. But he worries deeply about potential damage to his image—and he simply hates change.
If Leno can adjust—as many expect that he will—that flat night with the advertisers in New York will quickly be forgotten. Even the advertisers know that they are not the audience that Jay attracts, says a former NBC executive. It will be America—especially the part between the coasts—that counts.
But another ex-colleague thinks that for now, Leno is not happy. “He is a huge professional,” this associate said. “But it’s not going to be easy and Conan’s not going to defer to Jay and lose his chance to be a star. He should have gone to ABC, where he could have kicked Conan’s ass.”
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Kim Masters is the host of The Business, public radio's weekly show about the business of show business. She is also the author of The Keys to the Kingdom: The Rise of Michael Eisner and the Fall of Everybody Else.









I'm sorry to see Jay go.
Conan O'brien is an unfunny, arrogant, irritant.
You're joking, right? Jay Leno puts me to sleep. His humor is like mayo on white bread. He's about as funny as the Family Circus. Conan, on the other hand, is a top-notch comedy writer, and he's matured into the host role over the years. His improvisation is funnier than Leno's scripted bits. I mean, come on. Funny headlines? Jaywalking? Snore. Give me the Masturbating Bear. Pimpbot 5000. Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. The Syncro-Vox interviews. Quackers. It's all funny.
I've seen Leno
Do his club act.
He's a lot funnier and
Smarter in person.
His act is dumbed down
For the TV audience.
Conan will have trouble at 11:30
Triumph can't start apologizing.
It's time Jay left. He made an OJ knife joke the other night. How many times can he use the same premise? Nice guy, but his very basic jokes were always boring. Carson wanted Letterman to replace him because Letterman is wittier and funnier. Conan is the Letterman of a younger generation. Like the Kids in the Hall, Arrested Development, and The Simpsons Conan isn't for everyone, but I'm glad these shows and individuals are and were willing to take chances that not everybody gets.
"Conan is the Letterman of a younger generation"- then that crowd is retarded.
Conan is ugly with stupid looking expressions and an unjustified ego. I will never watch the Tonight show as long as that geek is on it.
Conan is self depracating. To simplify that for you: he knows he's a nerd and doesn't show signs of an "unjustified" ego. He'll be on the Tonight Show for a long time so you can always watch Letterman instead.
Lighten up--OJ knife jokes are still funny and probably will be till he croaks. I like Jay because his monologue made me laugh--who cares about celeb guests anyway? And he had the best bandleader in Kevin Eubanks--who was talented and funny too.
I hope Conan does well, but I bet Carson's spinning in his grave at the thought of a Masturbating Bear in his time slot. Jay looks a lot better now, doesnt he Johnny?
Obviously you missed Conan's last Late Night. The Masturbating Bear was retired.
NBC is the GM of network television.
And Conan O'Brien is a Chevette.
What a load of garbage! Why don't you name your sources if this information is true Ms. Kim Masters! Your piece reads like the national enquirer-trashy and tasteless.
Jay Leno is both the hardest working and most honest person in show business. You can go straight to the source if you want the truth instead of spreading false gossip. Jay has already said numerous times he was forced to leave the "Tonight show" and that NBC wants him to do the 10pm show because they are lazy and are afraid that he would be too much competition for them. The ONLY thing within his control was to try and make the transition over to Conan as friendly as possible. Which he did with both class and style. Things that YOU Ms. Masters would know nothing about.
Where and when did Leno say he was "forced to leave the Tonight Show? Where and when did Leno say NBC is lazy? How could he be competition for NBC at 10pm?
FNYGY1
Moron- if they didn't give him the 10PM show he probably would have gone to another network and his show would have had the same time -11:30PM.
AS it is I'm ho[ping Jon Stuart switches his show to 11:30 from 11:00- THAT WILL LEAVE conan WITH AN AUDIENCE OF ALL YOU MORONS WHO THINK HE'S FUNNY AND HIS DOG.
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He may have had the Tonight Show forced away from him, but to say that he had nothing in his control makes no sense. If he felt NBC was only offerring him 10pm because they were lazy and afraid he would go to the competition, he could have gone to the competition and picked his timeslot and named his terms, doing exactly the show he wanted to do...
I agree he's a class act though. It just doesn't make sense to imply he hasn't had choices.
Several blogs & other news sources are reporting the same thing Kim Masters observed.
Knowledge is key.
Jay Leno's humor is broken. people tuned in because the tonight show is iconic, not for jay's personality. conan's funnier but he repeats the same self-deprecating pattern every 2 seconds. and the format is staaale. don't even get me started on fallon and his shifty-eyed nervousness.
i say kick them all and hire Graham Norton.
I hardly watch any local stations anymore anyway and I actually detest NBC (ie: MSNBC, etc.) for their news (that's a joke) policies.
That being said, I occasionally enjoy watching a bit of Leno. He's easy to watch, sometimes funny and seems to be a nice guy.
Having only watched a very few minutes of Conan O'Brian I can only add my initial instincts and that is that he is TERRIBLE!!! Neither likable or funny at all.
Why would anyone watch that? Whoever watches this dribble will make that determination I guess. After all the fact that Jerry Springer ever even existed is beyond me.
The article seems a bit gossipy, but hey,
people are drawn in by "speculation."
Viewers are hooked on "Reality" shows,
so a 10 p.m. talk show will draw them in.
Let's not over think this stuff.
It's all about writers and content,
and if their good, people will watch.
Jay may be old, but at least he's engaging
and jovial (on air), while Letterman seems
so much older, bitter, and disinterested
in any sense of human connection.
I just don't get Conan. Nice guy but that's about it. I hope so much that Jay is successful at 10. I always watched his show. Jokes were funny, interviews were great, and I can't recall him deliberately being mean or making fun of an unsuspecting guest. I think the network made a BIG mistake.
The "Tonight Show" is in a class by it self. The same format in a different time slot will fall on its face. Jay Leno will not be remembered as Johnny Carson is remembered. Jay will go out with low ratings and be just another talkshow host that did not make it.Kind of like Favre and the Packers. NBC has screwed up everything it has touched for a while why should dumping Leno be any different?
When did you start working for US or the National Enquirer, Ms. Masters?
Do you bear Leno a grudge or are you simply in a particularly muck-raking mood?
Regardless- unnamed "associates" and vague, nameless "colleagues" do not journalism make. This was pure dreck in blog form.
Frankly, I still miss Johnny. But, I prefer Conan to Leno and Letterman to both of them. Comedy is a matter of taste, so I won't say Jay's not funny but he doesn't make me laugh.
Please spare me all these media blowhards heralding a "pivotal change." When we turn our clocks ahead next spring, everything falls right back the way it was!
I think this sys more about Broadcast TV than anything else.
Think about it. NBC is abandining 5 hours a week 25 hours a month of PRIME TIME PROGRAMMING! Think about the legendary TVshows that owned the 10pm slot on NBC.
Now nbc would rather put in cheap, non scripted TV than develop a REAL quality show.
SAD!
Think of the economics. NBC is hurting for cash and Leno costs a hell of a lot less to make than Heroes or Kings.
Funniest guy in Late Night is Craig Ferguson. Fallon is failing. Conan is his own best guest. But Ferguson rules the night! If frikkin' CBS put some advertising money into his show, he would own the night.
Can we have ONE -- Just ONE! -- source who uses their name, please? Why is every source in every Daily Beast showbiz story "an associate", "a former executive", "an insider" or (my favorite), "a knowledgable source." This ain't national security information, folks, just Hollywood b.s.. Even Entertainment Weekly and The Wrap -- two horribly written excuses for websites -- use real names and actually quote their sources. This is Journalism 101 stuff, kids! Unless there's a name, there's no reason to believe that anyone said any of these things.
Interesting reading the comments here because they so clearly reveal the demographic divide. Some love Jay, some love Conan, few agree both are funny. My parents and inlaws have seen a little of Conan and can't stand the guy. They don't get his humor at all. For that matter, my wife doesn't either. But they all love Jay. They just have totally different approaches so its not really about one being funny and the other not, just what an individual finds funny. Some people like a classic joke with a punch line and some people like the kinetic, physical humor and humiliation approach Conan has thrived on. If you love SNL, you probably like Conan. if you don't, you don't...
Humor has become more visual over the years. Not just sketch shows. Even stand-up comedians paint a picture to the fan with their string of jokes based on a topic that they've painted for us. There is a place for the basic joke and punchline still, but the younger open minded audience crave visual situational humor that can throw a curve ball. Some people still want vanilla and Jay will be on for them to lap it up before their bedtime.
Never cared for Leno. His humor was always cruder, dumber, cheaper. Letterman is no Johnny, but he does a mean smart/goofy and Johnny is clearly more his model than he was Leno's. I want to like Conan, but I've seldom been all that amused by him. My favorite is the much overlooked and supremely smart Craig Ferguson. He's a gem.
I love that I won't have to switch between Ferguson and Conan anymore. They seem very similar to me.
Prediction: Conan crashes. Leno leaves.
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"Citivas" is right. Humor is like beauty. It is in the ears and eyes of the beholder. Passive viewers only know their reaction to the comics. Performers know writers provide the material. Timing and delivery is what Leno does better than any of the current late night hosts. When young guests try to get an advantage on Leno, he puts them in their place. Jay is polite to his guests who think it is easy to do comedy. Letterman shows his meanness every night even to his guests. Conan appears to be unhappy in his body.
I think people are uncomfortable about Conan's physique; his lankiness, his paleness, his long nose, red hair, even his nasal voice. He doesn't have the classic show biz good looks. There is nothing handsome or sexy about him. I love his humor and will be a frequent viewer.
Craig Ferguson blows both Leno and Conan away. Much funnier, quicker wit, not nearly as self involved like Conan (he's so "look at me!!"), and a much more intelligent interviewer.
Mannn, what a bunch of whiners on this site. Honestly, entertainment is good and change is part of it. I give the network kudos for how they handled the whole thing, with the exception of having "Conan deprevation" for weeks, It gave jimmy a chance to get started. I am no Fallen fan, but he's making that show his own and kick'n some @ss. Sure, Jay's moving, but all I see us huge opportunity, and let's face it, I don't think Jay has a problem with fan base. Conan has all the pistons firing in his corner, and hosting the ultimate show. Definitly reminds me of a young Carson, with Andy and max to boot, but unlike Carson, Conan transends to a young audience today. Conan made latenight His show, and is gonna own "the tonight show" all over again. My only gripe is to the guy who thought up Conan's color scheme on the set design. Here's my one whine-"powdered blue background??" WTF?? Conan is flippin Irish, and whiter than a glass of milk on paper plate in a snow storm, I mean, geez, I have tried to enjoy his intro lately, and I feel robbed, because he blends in the scenery and doesn't "pop out" to bring on the focus of his comedy-no projection. The new set is Impressive, but the set designer dropped the ball here. The focus is not the set, it is CONAN. Despite the set issues, I am also looking forward to "Triumph the insult comic dog" returning. If I'm lucky, mabey he'll poop all over that powered blue background so I can see my favorite talk show host do a monologe with some contrast.
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