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Goodbye, GM
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At the deathbed of General Motors, I find myself filled with—dare I say it—joy. Here are my nine suggestions for transforming the company.
I write this on the morning of the end of the once-mighty General Motors. By high noon, the president of the United States will have made it official: General Motors, as we know it, has been totaled.
As I sit here in GM's birthplace, Flint, Michigan, I am surrounded by friends and family who are filled with anxiety about what will happen to them and to the town. Forty percent of the homes and businesses in the city have been abandoned. Imagine what it would be like if you lived in a city where almost every other house is empty. What would be your state of mind?
Who among us wants $50 billion of our tax dollars thrown down the rat hole of still trying to save GM?
It is with sad irony that the company which invented "planned obsolescence"—the decision to build cars that would fall apart after a few years so that the customer would then have to buy a new one—has now made itself obsolete. It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh—and that wouldn't start falling apart after two years. GM stubbornly fought environmental and safety regulations. Its executives arrogantly ignored the "inferior" Japanese and German cars, cars which would become the gold standard for automobile buyers. And it was hell-bent on punishing its unionized workforce, lopping off thousands of workers for no good reason other than to "improve" the short-term bottom line of the corporation. Beginning in the 1980s, when GM was posting record profits, it moved countless jobs to Mexico and elsewhere, thus destroying the lives of tens of thousands of hard-working Americans. The glaring stupidity of this policy was that, when they eliminated the income of so many middle-class families, who did they think was going to be able to afford to buy their cars? History will record this blunder in the same way it now writes about the French building the Maginot Line or how the Romans cluelessly poisoned their own water system with lethal lead in its pipes.
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So here we are at the deathbed of General Motors. The company's body not yet cold, and I find myself filled with—dare I say it—joy. It is not the joy of revenge against a corporation that ruined my hometown and brought misery, divorce, alcoholism, homelessness, physical and mental debilitation, and drug addiction to the people I grew up with. Nor do I, obviously, claim any joy in knowing that 21,000 more GM workers will be told that they, too, are without a job.
But you and I and the rest of America now own a car company! I know, I know—who on earth wants to run a car company? Who among us wants $50 billion of our tax dollars thrown down the rat hole of still trying to save GM? Let's be clear about this: The only way to save GM is to kill GM. Saving our precious industrial infrastructure, though, is another matter and must be a top priority. If we allow the shutting down and tearing down of our auto plants, we will sorely wish we still had them when we realize that those factories could have built the alternative energy systems we now desperately need. And when we realize that the best way to transport ourselves is on light rail and bullet trains and cleaner buses, how will we do this if we've allowed our industrial capacity and its skilled workforce to disappear?
Thus, as GM is "reorganized" by the federal government and the bankruptcy court, here is the plan I am asking President Obama to implement for the good of the workers, the GM communities, and the nation as a whole. Twenty years ago when I made Roger & Me, I tried to warn people about what was ahead for General Motors. Had the power structure and the punditocracy listened, maybe much of this could have been avoided. Based on my track record, I request an honest and sincere consideration of the following suggestions:
1. Just as President Roosevelt did after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the president must tell the nation that we are at war and we must immediately convert our auto factories to factories that build mass-transit vehicles and alternative-energy devices. Within months in Flint in 1942, GM halted all car production and immediately used the assembly lines to build planes, tanks, and machine guns. The conversion took no time at all. Everyone pitched in. The fascists were defeated.
We are now in a different kind of war—a war that we have conducted against the ecosystem and has been conducted by our very own corporate leaders. This current war has two fronts. One is headquartered in Detroit. The products built in the factories of GM, Ford, and Chrysler are some of the greatest weapons of mass destruction responsible for global warming and the melting of our polar icecaps. The things we call "cars" may have been fun to drive, but they are like a million daggers into the heart of Mother Nature. To continue to build them would only lead to the ruin of our species and much of the planet.
The other front in this war is being waged by the oil companies against you and me. They are committed to fleecing us whenever they can, and they have been reckless stewards of the finite amount of oil that is located under the surface of the earth. They know they are sucking it bone dry. And like the lumber tycoons of the early 20th century who didn't give a damn about future generations as they tore down every forest they could get their hands on, these oil barons are not telling the public what they know to be true—that there are only a few more decades of useable oil on this planet. And as the end days of oil approach us, get ready for some very desperate people willing to kill and be killed just to get their hands on a gallon can of gasoline.
President Obama, now that he has taken control of GM, needs to convert the factories to new and needed uses immediately.
2. Don't put another $30 billion into the coffers of GM to build cars. Instead, use that money to keep the current workforce—and most of those who have been laid off—employed so that they can build the new modes of 21st-century transportation. Let them start the conversion work now.
3. Announce that we will have bullet trains criss-crossing this country in the next five years. Japan is celebrating the 45th anniversary of its first bullet train this year. Now they have dozens of them. Average speed: 165 mph. Average time a train is late: under 30 seconds. They have had these high-speed trains for nearly five decades—and we don't even have one! The fact that the technology already exists for us to go from New York to L.A. in 17 hours by train, and that we haven't used it, is criminal. Let's hire the unemployed to build the new high-speed lines all over the country. Chicago to Detroit in less than two hours. Miami to D.C. in under seven hours. Denver to Dallas in five and a half. This can be done and done now.
4. Initiate a program to put light-rail mass-transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system.
5. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy-efficient clean buses.
6. For the time being, have some factories build hybrid or all-electric cars (and batteries). It will take a few years for people to get used to the new ways to transport ourselves, so if we're going to have automobiles, let's have kinder, gentler ones. We can be building these next month (do not believe anyone who tells you it will take years to retool the factories—that simply isn't true).
7. Transform some of the empty GM factories to facilities that build windmills, solar panels, and other means of alternate forms of energy. We need tens of millions of solar panels right now. And there is an eager and skilled workforce who can build them.
8. Provide tax incentives for those who travel by hybrid car or bus or train. Also, credits for those who convert their home to alternative energy.
9. To help pay for this, impose a $2 tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy-saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.
Well, that's a start. Please, please, please don't save GM so that a smaller version of it will simply do nothing more than build Chevys or Cadillacs. This is not a long-term solution. Don't throw bad money into a company whose tailpipe is malfunctioning, causing a strange odor to fill the car.
One hundred years ago this year, the founders of General Motors convinced the world to give up their horses and saddles and buggy whips to try a new form of transportation. Now it is time for us to say goodbye to the internal combustion engine. It seemed to serve us well for so long. We enjoyed the car hops at the A&W. We made out in the front—and the back—seat. We watched movies on large outdoor screens, went to the races at NASCAR tracks across the country, and saw the Pacific Ocean for the first time through the window down Highway One. And now it's over. It's a new day and a new century. The president—and the UAW—must seize this moment and create a big batch of lemonade from this very sour and sad lemon.
Yesterday, the last surviving person from the Titanic disaster passed away. She escaped certain death that night and went on to live another 97 years.
So can we survive our own Titanic in all the Flint, Michigans, of this country. Sixty percent of GM is ours. I think we can do a better job.
Michael Moore is an Academy Award-winning filmmaker and author. He directed and produced Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11, and Sicko. He has also written seven books, most recently, Mike’s Election Guide 2008.








aquamarine
As always, good ideas from Michael Moore.
msn04061960
Michael Moore wouldn't know a good idea if it bit him.
Jessica150
So which of his ideas did you NOT agree with?
portlandbb
Seriously, what don't you agree with?
Ritarita
msn- Please be specific.
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galeso
I am glad to see Michael Moore not falling for the Republican now Democrat plans for bailouts. Although he probably not ready to join the Libertarians, it is a step in the right direction.
Which of Mike's ideas are well thought out? None.
1a) Just building mass-transit vehicles will not build mass-transit systems, most of the cost is labor and there are very few mass-transit systems that currently could survive without huge subsidies. Our local 5 MPG bus usually runs with less than a handful of people on it, how can that be good for the environment? Current mass-transit vehicles produce CO2, we need to reduce CO2 not just reduce CO2 production. Almost all ice will melt with the current levels of CO2 causing flooding of most coastlines. At least that is what I think a Michael Moore movie claims.
1b) Alternative-energy devices may best be build other than in a GM factory, solar needs cleanrooms, not dusty old buildings. The GM factories may not be ideally located.
2) Great, lets start conversions before we know what the end product will look like. Then have an old failed company build that product. Better still would be to let the newcomers (there are over a dozen new companies with plans for or are making electric vehicles) have a shot at it. It is arguable that GM workers are a large part of why GM failed - many others helped.
3) Bullet trains are less energy efficient than regular trains! In countries that have them, they are used primarily by tourists and the wealthy who are willing to pay more than 50% more for the experience. The working class still ride the regular trains.
4a) How many GM car factories are big enough to produce buses?
4b) Why not hire the most qualified person instead of the most local.
4c) Better put those light rail lines underground, the noise can cause health problems.
5) My crystal ball sees millions of buses running mostly empty hoping a farmer will hop on. Out west where ranches are usually larger than a sq mile and a church-going family might go to town twice a week will not be efficiently served by buses only.
6) Use the old factories to breed horses. They pollute less than producing batteries and electric cars.
7) See 1b
8) Provide tax incentives to people who pollute a little less? Better to provide tax incentives to people who do not pollute at all or who buy and tame a wild mustang to be used for transportation.
9) Put a $2 tax on movie tickets to discourage travel. Mike M. this should have been way too obvious for a filmmaker. A $2 tax on gas solves nothing, any use of gas will produce CO2 and CO2 is already melting most ice.
fabioarca
As a Leftist Libertarian, I basically and literally agree with galeso: even as an economist. Except perhaps for 2 points (or may be we agree even on these ones?): once rejected Michael's proposals, we are not obliged to stick only to spontaneous market self-organization:
a) there is a lot to do in order to bring the river credit to start-ups (Schumpeter); this implies a much more radical approach to the credit industry than Geithner's one (e.g. dismantle, divide each unit too big to fail);
b) there is room, in a mixed economy, for a sound market-oriented (and orienting) industrial policy based on: bottom-up guidelines, some incentives, and public expenditure used as a leverage of innovation (the US computer industry took off only because of this). A basic inn., if you want to keep some car manufacturing in the US (but perhaps not in Michigan), is what is discussed now in Wired: substitute business ecologies for Big Corporate org., whenever it is possible (not always, since scale economies still exist - they forgot this at Wired).
Mike is welcome, if he wants, in the Left wing of Libertarians!
dizzyguy
Goodbye to GM...I just can't wait to say goodbye to Michael Moore!
ktappe
Why? How has he ever hurt you in any way whatsoever? None. So why wish a complete harmless stranger ill will? Or are you just naturally mean (as it seems nearly all Moore haters are....they just enjoy being mean & nasty.)
scough
Michael Moore would be panic-stricken if Wendy's or Burger King filed for bankruptcy.
Bittle
As always whenever Moore shares radical ideas, that happen to question the status quo he gets attacked for his weight. Grow up.
ktappe
Are there any positive thoughts in you or are you rotten & nasty to the core?
jeffzekas
Michael... Brilliant!
My feelings exactly.
(I live in a former lumber town, and see the effects, every day, of large corporations "using up" a finite resource).
logicwhore
Honestly even if his ideas are found to be ridiculous to some, this subject and topic matters is and should be number one priority in the US.......we were tops during the industrial age and gave the world so many products ideas and inventions..the steam engine the automobile rail ways, and then we gave the world the WEB, but since then we have nothing to give but intellectual property and you cant feed a nation on that. China is going ape shit building everything and anything to propel them into the next great age, and they are doing a bang up job. India has more middle class citizens than we have individuals in this country, and contrary to the US they direct there people to be suppliers and makers of technology rather than end users (i.e. call any help desk and see where that call is directed) We cant afford to keep GM as an auto maker but we cant afford to dismantle them as an industrial producer. Plus if anything a nation wide "Rebuild America" would do untold wonders to our moral and sense of nationalism, not to mention repair our global position. With this sort of plan we wouldn't need to redistribute the existing wealth, we could decrease unemployment to near 0% and distribute the new wealth. Good show Mr Moore
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toddboyle
I have ridden bikes, and mass transit, for decades and haven't driven cars since I sold my mustang in 1973. but Michael you're sadly misjudging the idea of mass transit. It cannot possibly be efficient in terms of time, because we ourselves do NOT want to go to-from the same places at the same times. The country is so vast, much of the area cannot be accessed at all by a mass transit mentality. So, you still need SOVs. And the real key is legislation to allocate space on todays streets and highways to an entirely new, smaller form-factor. Provide a safe enough, smooth right of way 5x5 feet. and strict new standards for weight and behaviors. You would create a wonderfully different outcome.
susquehannastudio
Yea, Michael, I hope someone will listen to you now.
I visited the New Territories in China in 1995 and no matter how far out in the countryside there would be a 20 passenger bus every 20 minutes between communities, I think it cost 30 cents, I don't remember seeing any cars.
scough
Why'd you come back? Really. Why?
Ritarita
scough-
Pull up your loser pants
And think of a real comment.
Dare you.
MadMatt35F
30 cents and all of their freedoms and human rights. Small price to pay for a bus ride don't you think.
FoolsLogos
Funny you should bring this up. I live in Shanghai, China now, and a partnership of GM and SAIC (50-50) called SGM holds the highest market share of any automaker in the country. My father was one of the pioneers of SGM in the late 90's, and since then the country has made drastic changes commercially and transportationally. You drive down the road and see more buicks than bikes now, and yet there's all this fuss in the states about not allowing GM to be a car company anymore...
They can do things right, with the right people. Hopefully this restructuring puts them on the right path.
scough
Well, having free prisoner labor must keep the cost of the cars down.
jpelhamtn
Why give this foolish man a 'voice' on your website? He's just abitter guy with no love of country or hiscountrymen. His ideas are not even based in reality. Oh yes, let's rehire all the GM workers and have them build mass transit vehicles. Hello? And, just where would these go?
There are so many idiotic environmental road-blocks set up against new transit systems or speedrail that this will not happen in our lifetimes. Moore is nothing more than a complainer with a camera. Time to shut him downwith NO TAXPAYER BAILOUT.
leslie1
I find it interesting that you call Mr. Moore a complainer. At the very least he has offered up solutions to the situation facing GM and the country - you on the other hand are one of those people who are quick to judge, feed into the bleak picture and offer no constructive ideas. You are clearly a mindless follower of doomsayers - a Republican. Try expanding you mind for just a minute - maybe you'll be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
muddog
????????????...
I dont agree with everything Moore is saying but if you even gave a passing try @ checking the facts, building a high speed rail system would save BILLIONS, Japan, Europe have high speed rail....We can too.
While the Japanese automakers were spending huge amounts of their capitol on Research and Devlopment the US auto makers were still building junk and not looking into the future, they bet their future on the stupid SUV, and look what it has wrought....
The US has been drunk on oil, allowed the big 3 to de rail countless invironmental laws, raise cafe standards and we have been killing and been killed due to our addiction to oil.
The problem with the Republican's plan is that they dont have one. The G.O.P. answer is Drill Baby Drill. Lets not forget that those who deny Gloabl warming are in the G.O.P.
The Unions have also been out of touch, they to will need to give in but if you check the FACTS you can see they have given up quite a bit, while the white collar executives rake in millions....
GM, Ford and Chrysler need to go belly up and from the ashes hopefully something better will arise we can be proud of.
AuntBarb
So Michael Moore is foolish, bitter, and hates America. I don't think that's accurate, and I don't think it's terribly original.
The poster offers two paragraphs of complaint, not a single solution, and the ridiculous notion that nothing can be done about a national transportation system in our lifetime anyway...because of those darned environmentalists. Then Mr Moore gets labled as "nothing more than a complainer with a camera". I respectfully submit that I find that absurd.
gpassavanti
With this article Moore is proving how little he knows about our Manufacturing Industry in this country. Look around and see the cars that American Consumers want.They like to look as good as the Democrat leaders driving around in their SUV'S. We need to give the consumer what he wants not what The President and Moore want us to buy. The other reason Moore is wanting GMC to fall apart is that he is to stupid to understand that manufacturing is what takes our population off welfare. Maybe his theory is to take away all the chances to get off welfare, this makes sense then in the next election the Democrats can save this group of poor souls again.
ketaminekitty
They wouldn't have to go far to get started, Detroit itself has no public transport to speak of (other than the laughable People Mover), which always seemed like an arrogant statement on behalf of the auto Industry. A safe, quick way to get around the city just might bring it's downtown some visitors which it desperately needs. Two birds, one stone!
idkmybffjas
I can understand the disdain people have for the People Mover and all of its kitsch, but most Detroiters I know like it.
Perhaps we'd love it a little more if it weren't the ONLY public transport downtown, but hopefully that will change.
Jessica150
Are there people left in Detroit?
idkmybffjas
yes. there are families and students and entrepreneurs and people that don't want to leave and watch their home crumble behind them. there are people that can't leave, have no other choice but to stay here.
I wish the everyone else would remember that. WE ARE STILL HERE!!
MarketStEl
Actually, Detroit's people mover was supposed to function like Miami's -- as a central city circulator connected to a metropolitan rapid transit system.
The problem is that Detroit never built the rapid transit.
Miami's people mover has a ridership of its own too, as the downtown residential population has grown, and it sounds like those Detroiters who live near it use it. There's just not enough of them any more.
As for Moore's ideas: I don't think we will -- or can -- eliminate automobiles to the extent he seems to envision. One, they're still the most convenient and flexible form of transportation around, and two, our built environment has been shaped around them. Mass transit only works well when lots of people live near its routes, and they don't in the 'burbs. Unless we reshape our built environment, all those buses and trams will remain underused.
sophia5
There's plenty of blame to go around,
including lack of vision by executives and crappy
designed cars in the 70's and 80's.
Mentioned were the car "wars" on TWO fronts.
#1 - Executives, and #2 - Oil companies.
What about the third?
#3 - Unions.
"Entitled" workers making
$70 ?? per hour, including job banks.
Nobody is "entitled" to a job.
Without the actual vision and creation of a company,
the intellectual property if you will,
including setting up the machinery,
and the entire engineered infrastructure . . .
. . . there would be no jobs, period !
However, corporate America has a responsibility
to THIS country that supported and allowed
it to prosper in the first place, and to
stop outsourcing.
xbainx
You are of course pulling the $70 and hour number out of your ass. The unions had nothing to do with this. GM could have moved all of their plants to Mexico and Canada. They already started. The American dream isn't assembled in Honduras.
sophia5
Yes, AMERICAN workers should be coveted, and NAFTA
is the worst thing for the American Worker, and
this country won't survive as a "service based"
economy.
We need manufacturing to survive.
American corporations have a responsibility
to this country because they prosper here . . .
However,
as shocking as this sounds to some who are
entrenched with a union psyche . . .
NO ONE is "ENTITLED" to a job.
Try opening YOUR OWN business and then deal with
somebody who tells you what they're "entitled" to,
or who expects you to "give them a job,"
and see how your thinking might change.
To say union costs, including "job banks,"
do not affect the cost of
American cars is laughable.
mdreader
At the height of my father's seniority on the auto assembly line--in 1990--he earned $40,000 base pay. He earned another $3 K in overtime. The overtime could have been eliminated had more workers been hired, but GM chose to give workers overtime rather than hire more workers. Yes, there were guys making $50 K, but they were working double shifts.
Would you work 12-16 hours a day for $50,000? Would you do this at age 60?
Today, a worker at a Ford plant starting out is lucky to make $30K and has is on a month-to-month contract.
If you want to stop the outsourcing, you have to tear down the international trade agreements that make it more lucrative than hiring domestic workers. Manufacturing jobs have gone overseas regardless of whether they were protected by unions or not.
wbishop12
Sophia, you look foolish when you regurgitate a lie. Probably you first digested this turd fresh from Rush's butt hole. (aka his mouth) I am a topped out, 16 year union worker and I don't make anywhere near $70 an hour. And all this worship of engineers is also stemming directly from a deeply entrenched God complex. If a company is paying labor $70 an hour, you can be sure they pay engineers $210 an hour and CEO's $20,000 an hour.
Get it straight, you look dumb!
sophia5
wbishop12
" And all this worship of engineers is also stemming directly from a deeply entrenched God complex. "
"God complex." Engineers are all about science.
Without engineers those cars you put together wouldn't exist,
and without engineers you wouldn't have access
to the internet to make your point, or make cell phone
calls, or watch the Lions lose every game on that high def flat screen.
If you read carefully you would have
seen ?? marks next to the $70. Just that . . . a question ????? marks.
The figure in question represented salary, combined with heath care benefits,
pension, and job banks.
One reason foreign cars are overtaking American cars
is poor management and union costs effecting car prices.
Crabshrapnel
The $70 an hour in question is not the actual hourly rate. Workers will end up getting somewhere between $12-$20 an hour. The additional $50 is the inclusion of other expenses of the company, a lot of which is paying the pension for retired workers in the union.
idkmybffjas
Although I understand your position Mr. Moore (as a fellow Michigander and native Detroiter) I wish you hadn't dared to use that word "joy"
While your ideas are logical and could be the very thing to help our country come back from this your choice in words don't sit well with me as today still is a sad day for our familes, friends and neighbors.
For as much as GM played a part in the breakdown of our hometowns it also is where our grandfathers and great grandfathers poured their blood, sweat and tears into. It's apart of who we are and we've lost a little bit of ourselves today. A little respect would be appreciated.
That being said, I hope I can watch my city take on these changes and spearhead the movement towards a new Auto Industry that we can all be proud of.
delcourt4396
BUULY for you Mr Moore!!! As a Detroiter, my town looks pretty much like Flint. I'm a laid off autoworker (6 mo now)-salaried. Tons of good professional experience and no place to work. I traveled world-wide for the Tier 1 supplier I worked for and used bullet trains in Japan, France(TGV) and Germany(ICE). The conundrum you face is: most Americans do not travel outside of North America and they can not relate to how good bullet train service is because they have never expereienced it and can not relate to how fast and comfortable it is, to how major hub sites exist for transfer to just about anywhere you want to go in Europe, to how cheap it is(compared to Air), to how reliable it is, to how always on-time it is! KEEP TELLIN' EM ! I agree with you in all you said! Our overall transportation system is 40-50 years behind modern Europe or Japan. I never thought I would live to see an icon like GM bankrupt-but as you say-it may be a godsend in the long run. (PS: GM couldn't bring itself to fire morons like Roger Smith. How many other execs should have been fired in the last 25 years and were not? GM is reaping what they sowed.)
MaliciousDisorder
What are you whining about, You probably voted for obama
Bamos99
Dear MD (Mad Dog?):
I trust all is well. He probably did. Moore is intelligent and informed and saw what would occur if McCain was in charge of this crisis. Another son of the rich and powerful pushed to the top by influenece and nepotism. And your point would be.....
kentfx
Where did this little rat come from?
motamanx
I too voted for Obama. I couldn't bear to contemplate Sarah Palin with her hands on the launch codes.
smitisan
Gee, MD, the only one I hear whining is you.
Antinous
It's beginning to look like the US, like California, is ungovernable and the wrenching changes that any credible strategic plan must envision, as laid out by Moore, will be still born. Curiously those that wrap themselves in the flag and claim any self assessment as unpatriotic are unruffled by the outsourcing that has gutted our middle class. Just how patriotic are these business? Unfortunately the clueless lumpens that will block the steps to reverse our decline are numerous.
hockeydog
Like all who venture forth on the national stage, with their opinions, Michael Moore is going to take his shots as well as his lumps.
While some of his ideas have merit, there are parts of the puzzle which have not been considered. For example; the imposition of a "two dollar a gallon tax on gasoline" hurts the poorer people more than it does the wealthy. The percentage is way lopsided.
It also hurts the production of food, which any farmer can tell you is highly dependant on diesel fuel for production. The machinery which produces the crops is all dependant on heavy engines. Farmers are already getting the short end of the stick in everything from milk to pecans. While the farmers' production costs increase, the consumers' prices stay low, while the middlemen benefit from the gouge.
I don't know what the solution to all of this may be, but if the farmers' welfare is not factored into the equation, everything else will be a senseless waste.
Another consideration, which seems to never be addressed when it comes to the gasoline consumption discussion is the very fact that the U.S. armed services are the single biggest user of fuels on the entire planet.
At all times, we have planes in the air on training programs, and trucks running constantly for this, that, or the other thing. There are no miles-per-gallon requirements for these vehicles.
And yes, I realize that jets run on kerosene, but that fuel too, is an oil-based product.
The one good thing that America has done, when it comes to our dependancies, is to not allow the privatization of our water supplies. But, this battle is never won! So, we need to continue paying attention.
muddog
Europe has had high gas taxes for decades anf they have transit system second to none. They also east their own food.
It's not rockket sceince that when gas prcoes go up, cars go down in size. If Americans drove smallers cars that would be less stress on fuel production, those savings could be applied to farmers.
The poor and the Farmers would be the 1st to see the benifits of less consumption.
bndrdndat
It's OK to feel bad about the family farmer, but not most farming is now owned by huge corporate farms who get billions in subsidies to create ethanol for our current autos - and that is causiong a huge spike in food prices as well as decreasing amounts of corn and all of its byproducts for food production. This shortage is now being felt worldwide.
Ritarita
Muddog
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LoneLiberalOkie
Your concern for the impact of a $2/gallon fuel tax on American farmers is well placed, albeit unwarranted. Diesel fuel designated for off-road use is treated with a red dye so it can be differentiated visually from that which is designated for on-road use. Industries such as mining, farming and rail roads all qualify for red dyed fuel use and such fuel is exempt from federal taxation. There would be no impact on our nation's farmers (rightly so, imho) unless the government reverses the precedent of exempting red dyed fuel from taxation.
kt1aokt1ao
I don't always agree with Michael Moore but I do agree with him on this. Since I moved out of the open spaces of Oklahoma to the compact public transit aplenty Chicago I've been a big fan of expanding out country's rail system and finding other means of getting around. In Chicago we have ride sharing and when you need a car you can get one for as little as 6 dollars an hour. Gas, Insurance, everything included. And they are mostly hybrid. After two weeks living in the city I sold my car and haven't needed one since. Now if only they would finish the rail system from St. Louis to Oklahoma City then I could just take the train back home for much less than it is to fly.
FreddySez
This is very disturbing news indeed.
I've spent more than 40 years thinking I was the captain of my soul, etc., and had no idea that my employer was able to introduce "misery, divorce, alcoholism, homelessness, physical and mental debilitation, and drug addiction" into my life.
Please do not let my current boss know about this awesome power he has over me. I thought I just worked for him.
So, anyway... how many dozen UAW guys is it going to take to drink coffee while three other guys assemble a solar panel?
mdreader
If it were just you, it wouldn't be a problem. What unemployment hits you, your neighbors and your entire family, that's when the problem starts. If you don't think the downsizing of the American industrial base affects you, you're insane.
And why bring the UAW into this?
FreddySez
This is an exchange about the bankruptcy of America's largest auto manufacturer, and mdreader wants to know what the UAW has to do with it?
Embers
Freddy, when people lose their jobs after working there for decades, only to be told that they haven't done anything wrong but it's just cheaper to make the cars (or textiles, or whatever) overseas, then you might want to have a drink, and you could lose your house, and your marriage could break up. Get a clue, you unempathetic idiot.
FreddySez
Well, I'm mid-functioning at worst and feel pangs of empathy on occasion (get me a judicial robe, stat).
But you're just backing up my point: If an employment relationship has that large an effect on a person or a community... and of course I know that's the reality here, you empathetic genius... then maybe that relationship is out of scale and out of whack in the first place. Maybe cradle-to-grave employment, guaranteed by a big union who teaches you from Day One that you're just plain entitled to a certain standard of living, is a recipe for failure.
Losing a job hurts a person. Losing an employer hurts a community. But if you're conditioned to view the job and the employer as a Big Rock Candy Mountain that will take care of you forever, it hurts a lot more.
Somehow the non-union auto plants in the South aren't going through this trauma.
surferchick
Good article. Some GREAT ideas! Just as with the banks, if a company wants/needs governement (taxpayer) money, they must accept the government's rules. And the government's rules should ensure that the taxpayer investment is a good one that leads to future productivity, growth, infrastructure improvement for the industry, etc. We need to start demanding that type of accountability in social/entitlement programs as well, i.e., if you want government (welfare) money, you need to stop having babies you can't pay for and finish your education and get a job, etc.
YARROW
I am SAD to see GM in bankruptcy. I haven't yet found for sure if GM is giving their jobs to China. Ralph Nader and Sherrod Brown are among the people that think they should give AMERICANS those jobs.
Smakutus
I'm no fan of GM. They have shit on Flint Michigan for years now. But for Mike to say the following is totally wrong:
"It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh-and that wouldn't start falling apart after two years."
GM was building the vehicles people wanted to buy until gas hit $4 a gallon, and they couldn't get credit to buy a new car because of the housing mess.. Most people do not want little cars. We want the big fast ones.
I have owned many brand new GM products over the past twenty years and unless I traded them in, they all ended up with well over 200,000 family and then work miles on them. To say GM cars, trucks, and vans start falling apart after two years is complete BS.
Do you even drive a single GM car for two years straight Mike?
And the last I saw the Japanese car companies weren't selling cars either..
Thanks,
Jeff T.
Flint, Michigan.
computergeeks1
I used to buy all my cars from GM. American cars are always more repairs I like to suport American Comapanys, GM careless about there customers. Why do I say that, Crushing the EV1, GM crushed itself. EV1 was a car that GM Crushed because they did want this car out The EV1 were trucked to Mesa, AZ, stripped of tires and batteries, subjected to an 18" crush, then trucked back to smelters in California. It is estimated that GM spent about $600 to destroy each EV1 instead of selling them for $25,000 each all new cars crushed. I WILL NEVER BY A GM AGAIN DO NOT GIVE GM ANOTHER DIME GIVE IT FORD WHERE EV ARE BEING MADE.
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