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The Sadism at Gitmo: A Detainee Speaks

BS Top - Rather Guantanamo Bay prisoners Brennan Linsley / AP Photo When Dan Rather’s team interviewed former Guantánamo detainee Lakhdar Boumediene, he spoke of sexual humiliation, painful forced feeding, and medical mistreatment at the camp. But the admiral in charge at Gitmo denied the allegations, and described a facility he’d be proud “to show his mom." Who is lying?

Investigative journalism, like democracy and love, comes down to the question of whom to trust. Except when you have the listening device under the Mafioso’s desk or the hidden camera in the dirty restaurant kitchen, there’s always an element of, “you finds your source, you takes your chances.” Few times in my career has this dilemma been driven home more clearly than in our report on alleged abuse of detainees in Guantánamo Bay.

My weekly news-magazine program on HDNet, Dan Rather Reports, got the first American television interview with Lakhdar Boumediene, the latest detainee to leave Guantánamo. It was Boumediene’s own Supreme Court case that gave Guantánamo detainees the right to habeas corpus review. A district court judge, who had been appointed by President Bush, reviewed secret evidence and found that the government’s sole reason for bringing Boumediene to Guantánamo was the report of a single, uncorroborated, unidentified source. The court ordered Boumediene released and finally, after six months of legal limbo, the French government agreed to resettle him.

Dan Rather interviews Lakhdar Boumediene, a man who spent nearly seven years in the U.S. detention camp at Guantánamo Bay.

The conundrum of a story told primarily through dueling interviews (we also spent extensive time at Guantánamo with the admiral in charge) is so much on my mind because its implications in this particular case are so weighty. Boumediene’s claims about what went on in the few years after the 9/11 attacks would, if true, belie the central argument of those who defend the camp’s harsh early days. Furthermore, his claims about ongoing abuse at the hands of guards would—again, if true—lay to waste the message of reform and humane treatment the Pentagon and the Obama administration have worked so hard to create.

Boumediene described individual guards and a nurse who were unchecked in their sadism up almost to the day he left the camp, beating him and administering medical procedures in excruciating ways.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney in his famous American Enterprise Institute speech last month condemned those who want to shut Guantánamo down because of supposed abuse. He accused them of “a strange and sometimes willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib prison with the top-secret program of enhanced interrogations.” “It takes,” he wrote, “a deeply unfair cast of mind to equate the disgraces of Abu Ghraib with the lawful, skillful, and entirely honorable work of CIA personnel trained to deal with a few malevolent men.” Clearly, Boumediene’s tales of sexual humiliation and physical abuse at the hands of interrogators and military doctors—not just a few guards—would demonstrate that cruelty bordering on what went on at Abu Ghraib was a matter of interrogation policy and not just the deeds of what Cheney called “a few sadistic prison guards.”

Dan Rather visits Guantánamo and interviews Rear Admiral David Thomas.

Similarly, the message, “this is not the Guantánamo of old” has been intense from both the Obama administration and, as we saw when we traveled there a few weeks ago, those in charge of the detention center themselves. We toured the part of the facility meant for cooperative detainees and saw a video library (Night at the Museum is apparently the most popular title), elliptical machines, and food that I’d be proud to serve guests at my home in New York. Boumediene, however, in his interview, described individual guards and a nurse who were unchecked in their sadism up almost to the day he left the camp, beating him and administering medical procedures in excruciating ways. These episodes, he claims, took place in the areas of Guantánamo Bay—and there are many—that journalists are not allowed to see.

Boumediene comes across as credible and trustworthy. He nonetheless, as a likely innocent man taken off the streets and thrown in a tropical prison thousands of miles away, has some incentive to exaggerate. The admiral we interviewed, who is in charge of everything that goes on in the detention center, also seems earnest and believable—but he, too, has a particular version of what goes on at Guantánamo that suits his purposes. Same for the patient and sympathetic young soldier-guard whom we interviewed about her interactions with the detainees.

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June 8, 2009 | 5:55pm
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Progressive2

"We as journalists have the luxury of telling both sides of the story and leaving it at that. You have the responsibility to decide"

So basically in this article you want us to choose who is telling the truth between
a prisoner that was there for years in a place known for torture, that the Potus wants to close down in a year.
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The government General that was there for years making sure everything was under control,

Does every Journalist think that everyone is stupid too?

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7:00 pm, Jun 8, 2009
hazmaq

You must be from the same backwoods hell-hole as that of the Guantanamo fuhrer/psycho ovrelord Thomas seen in the film.
His zombie eyed little whisper of a voice while hypnotically chanting the robotic phrases "We did nothing wrong -We do not torture" is so ridiculous I'm ashamed to see him wearing the American uniform.

It never was the voices of the prisoners who convinced the Supreme Court and hundreds others that this guy and others of his 'ilk' were lying their asses off. It was the defense and interrogator reports photos and documents that proved the torture did happen -just as the prisoners said.

Can't deny the facts - unless your a Republican.

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12:50 pm, Jun 9, 2009
jeffzekas

Okay, it comes down to this: do we believe a fanatical terrorist and his far-left sympathizers, or do we believe fellow Americans who share our belief in democracy?

And who has more to gain politically? The Muslim who hates America and has a world podium, or the soldier who is merely doing his job?

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2:48 pm, Jun 9, 2009
Progressive2

What a pathetic response we already know people have been tortured in GITMO or else their would be no point for the POTUS to close it down.
or for AlQuida to use it as a recruiting tool propaganda.

I rather believe common sense.

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3:02 pm, Jun 9, 2009
Boyaca

It is the policy of the American Military to lie. They told you so at the beginning of the Iraq War. Why is it that you have such a hard time believing that they lie. They told you they would, you can't take their word for it? You are just the sort of person that I would like to sell some beachfront property to in Arizona.

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6:51 pm, Jun 9, 2009
TavernWench

Excellent reporting. Thanks for this, TDB and Mr. Rather.

Cheney-loving chickenhawk wingnuts will log on to ignore context of story only to trash Dan Rather in 5...4...3...2...

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7:01 pm, Jun 8, 2009
Plantagenet

Thanks for the intro, TavernWench.

How's the lawsuit going Dan? You know....the one you filed against CBS after they fired you for making news reports based on obviously forged documents. Whats that? You are still fired? Your lawsuit was dismissed? Then isn't it time for you to apologize to the American people for your so-called news reports that were based on forged documents and resulted in your being fired by CBS?

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7:50 pm, Jun 8, 2009
kaber7

That's what I say! The nerve of you Dan! After you lied and based your news reports on forged documents, previously, and would expect anyone to read, let alone believe, anything you've reported is ludicrous!! I can't believe you still hold any kind of credentials! What was really sickening, was when you tried to discredit President Bush!! As for this prisoner Lakhdar, Boo Hoo Hoo! My heart is broken! Yeah, RIGHT! I DON'T THINK SO! I and alot of Americans could care less of how he was humiliated and and treated! Give me a break! Of course I'm going to take the side of the CIA personnel! Actually, I'm most grateful and thankful for their skill, expertise and honorable work. I'll be damned if I'm going to let a few angry prison guards (if that really is the truth) bring down the whole CIA program!!!! Dan Rather has absoluely NO INTEGRITY! PERIOD!

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11:22 am, Jun 9, 2009
da47ve

Ditto to Obamamaniacs..."trash Dan Rather"? He does a great job trashing himself ...

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7:53 pm, Jun 8, 2009
Progressive2

I'm not a cheney loving wingnut but this article is a joke he basically interviewed the ex detainee and the Gitmo General, got both sides. And is telling us to find out ourselves what rings truth to our ears.

That's not Journalism, they are supposed to find out the truth and report it.
This is simply a waste of time, fox news would have done a better job then this.

Who doesn't already know that people have been tortured.
Who doesn't already know that the ones in charge of the place will deny that.

Total waste of time.

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7:54 pm, Jun 8, 2009
Ozone69

Mr. Rather, with all due respect, I wouldn't use the words trust and journalism in the same sentence if I were you. The forged document you used to discredit President Bush in the weeks before the election was an embarrassing episode in your career.

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7:57 pm, Jun 8, 2009
AmeriGus

The document was never conclusively proven as "forged" - it's possible it was a later retyping with an original signature. Rather never even needed the letter to prove Bush went AWOL, there was plenty of other evidence.

The Texas Air Guard story was completely true - Bush dodged service and got privileges. Do you dispute that? We agree Rather was a fool for using the questionable letter, but you must acknowledge the story was important and true (actually reported a year earlier on BBC). Bush avoided his service. His own biographers even admit he "left" to help some local politician during the time in question.

Today, Rather's case languishes in a NY court with judge Ira Gammerman deciding what's next - it has not been dismissed. They are fighting out details over his non-disclosure agreements with CBS. Rather already exposed CBS for sitting on the Abu Ghraib scandal for months, denying the public's right to know about possible criminality.

Rather v. CBS/Viacom will be a landmark case, deciding if there was White House interference with network news during a presidential election. If it ever gets moving again...

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3:05 pm, Jun 9, 2009
Boyaca

That is exactly right. Bush was and still is a chicken hawk. He did doge Vietnam. He did not even fulfill his National Guard oblications. The closest he ever got to getting shot at was that guy throwing his shoe at him. What a hero.

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6:55 pm, Jun 9, 2009
jus1drun

never thought i'd say this - at least bush keeps his mouth shut about obama's performance. we'd Rather that you retired old man. the dems are in control now and they're taking care of this. whoops scratch that, there seems to be a fly in the ointment. would someone tell me what's really going on? seems like what was once so clear is now a slow trek through quicksand. scratch that too. there is no trek. nothing is happening.

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9:42 pm, Jun 8, 2009
Tango121

You did a story about Bush, got in trouble about it and blamed it on your staff (what a leader you are). At long last, have you no sense of decency?". Go home, turn off the lights and think about what you did to your life with that big pack of lies.

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5:42 am, Jun 9, 2009
YARROW

We don't use TORTURE to get confessions fromt our own worst suspected serial killers, and we shouldn't us it in Gitimo. I hate TORTURE, KILL AN EVIL PERSON OUTRIGHT, IF YOU MUST, BUT YOU MUST HAVE THE EVIDENCE, THAT HE'S GUILTY. TORTURE DOESN'T WORK PERIOD.

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6:52 am, Jun 9, 2009
danuke

I suppose those people who did not killed in LA might have an argument there eh? For those boys, water-boarding was a morning gargle. Do you seriously think that we did not use it during the big wars and the smaller ones?
HusseinO wants to close it for POLITICAL cash points.

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7:15 pm, Jun 10, 2009
boredwell

Binyam Mohamed, Mahvish Khan and Moazaam Beg have all written of their incarceration at GITMO. Their stories of torture all jive with Boumediene's. That the torture was overseen by medical personnel gives us a new and chilling perspective. Seattle-based private psychologists Drs.Jensen and Mitchell were contracted by the CIA to develop torture methods that could be approved by the DOJ and MI. Some were considered too sadistic, ie, total immersion in a vat of freezing water and one called "smoking" wherein a shackled detainee would be choked by breathing in thick clouds of acrid tobacco fumes expelled from a "duster." Another eye witness, a young MP who had been at GITMO preparing for the arrival of the first group of inmates spoke of rectal exams with unlubricated instruments. There are the photos both released and unreleased which clearly show that prisoners were treated in unhumane fashion and that methods were par for the course. It's also true that in a recent AP poll, almost half said that torture was ok if national security was imminently threatened. Yet, conversely, another poll found that 58% of Americans thought torture did not yield "positive, reliable" results. Thus Mr Boumediene resides along with his story between an immoral rock and a personal hard place.

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7:09 am, Jun 9, 2009
danuke

Gee Wizz, too bad our own troops in the field are running short of water and at times even underwear and other basic needs. But go ahead and lets worry about the terrorists in Gitmo., who are for the most part living the good life.
For real torture, read about what was done to John McCain!!

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7:18 pm, Jun 10, 2009
cbeenthere

I rather think that it is a lot easier and serves for a better payoff to deny these allegations (besides, didn't these prisoners deserve what they got) than to make up a story of a horrific detention in such detail. Some stuff you just can't make up. Sound like a pretty personal account to me.

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8:11 am, Jun 9, 2009
robjh1

I truly believe these are isolated incidents (but should not have happened). That being said, many of these prisoners are aware that some Americans are sympathetic to anything and are playing on that sympathy to work in their favor.

"and we are not saved..."

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9:27 am, Jun 9, 2009
cbeenthere

I know they get the Miami Herald delivered with their breakfast every morning.

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11:30 am, Jun 9, 2009
Boyaca

A lot of them are more innocent than you or I are. They did nothing at all and you are saying that they deserved to be tortured. What in the world would be your reason for torturing an innocent man? Just because he comes from Afganistan or Iraq? What does that say about you?

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6:59 pm, Jun 9, 2009
johnhkennedy

The Feds have plenty of evidence that Cheney and Bush violated our Federal Torture Laws http://tinyurl.com/besdd3 ....
WHAT IS MISSING IS President Obama Enforcing Our Torture Laws..... WHAT WE HAVE is President Bush, Cheney & Their Lawyers ... Being Protected from Prosecution BY President Bush and His Lawyers. This is Intolerable! ...
HELP Push our basically Good President To Enforce Our Laws......... SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture........ at ...ANGRYVOTERS.ORG ....... http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

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9:59 am, Jun 9, 2009
johnson88

Maybe if someone waterboards RATHER he will stop putting out fake stories and sham lawsuits. GO AWAY DAN! Your credibility is long gone never to return!!!!!!!

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10:12 am, Jun 9, 2009
Davantee

What would you expect from a left-wingnut like Dan Rather..he has lost all crediblity in the last few years...I wouldn't believe ONE WORD that comes from his mouth..

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10:16 am, Jun 9, 2009
Johnnyappleseed

Dan would Rather tell the half truth, Rather than the whole truth.
Typical of his style, I wonder if the type was the same on all pages?
Old reporters never die, they should just fade away.
Ask any prisoner,in any detention center and they will tell you how bad they are treated....this article is just another way to bash someones service to our country.
And the left wing loonies lap it up as fact.

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10:17 am, Jun 9, 2009
cbeenthere

Really, I've seen photographs. Or was that just Hollywood fantasy? Please don't patronize.

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11:36 am, Jun 9, 2009
TeresaSTrujillo

I've seen interview clips where this detainee said he was kept awake for 16 days. Well, that is a medical impossibility. Bodily functions decline and stop after 4 days without sleep.

So, since it is medically impossible to remain awake for 16 days, I have to assume that the detainee is lying. He has created a lie that he thinks most people won't detect, and the journalist was so enthralled with the lie that he never checked the validity of the statement.

These detainees are unbelievable. and Rather is not an unbiased source.

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11:03 am, Jun 9, 2009
cbeenthere

Well, Mr. Sherlock , it did not take you long to detect the lies , did it? Brilliant deductive work.

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11:32 am, Jun 9, 2009
Boyaca

He had the best medical treatment that the USA could offer. They were able to keep him awake and see that he did not die as well. They could do it to you even. As a matter of fact if nothing is done about these criminals that tortured they may even some day get a chance to torture you. It is the thin edge of the wedge, you understand that don't you. Today foreigners are tortured, and since it has all become legal, tomorrow it will be okay to torture your own citisens. Another thing, these sadists that tortured are still out there in your very own society. if I was you I would worry about that a lot about that little fact..

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7:05 pm, Jun 9, 2009
vjillh

The vitriolic speech in these replies is as interesting as the notion that we could have treated this man unfairly... It's interesting to observe the tendency in people to deny that they share the dark side of the human condition - they can be certain that "the evil doers are out there", and nothing they do could be wrong since they consider themselves to be "the good guys".

so, Dan, instead of asking which side is lying - how about doing an investigation of how it is that people can hold such disparate world views - and what are the consequences of the assumptions we hold without examining them?

Thanks for all you do

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7:21 pm, Jun 9, 2009
dahniuru

ummm I think I could get similar responses if I want to make my country, THE USA, look bad. I'm sorry I even read Rather's article. He no longer has credibility for me.

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7:48 pm, Jun 9, 2009
PARRYISLE2

I have my own theory on why some troops behave in this manner. It is similar to the way some mistreat a waitress. Our forces disproportionately consist of the nation's economc under-class. Needless to say, the Rich and Famous are still AWOL as they have been ever since options to avoid serving in our armed forces were created. A few members may have had a very rough time in the past having grown up in imporverished circumstances and unlike the wealthy they never had servants to serve at their beck and call. When being served in a restaurant the waitress takes the role of a servant and some of these people look down upon them. It is the old pass-it-on syndrome when the boss mistreats his employee who then goes home and abuses his wife who then abvuses her child who then kicks the family dog. There was some critisim of the dog leash girl, Pvt. Lynndie England because she was raised in a trailer park. Of course, had she been raised in Beverly Hills she would never have been in the army in the first place. Steve, USN, World War 2

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The Sadism at Gitmo: A Detainee Speaks

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