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Knives Out for Michael Mann
At the time, Universal Co-Chairman Marc Shmuger stuck up for Mann. "I actually marvel at his ability to keep all of his creative options open,” he said. “He's fearless. He is willing to try everything. That's a process that does involve wear and tear on everybody." As for negative buzz that the movie generated even before it opened, Shmuger said Mann movies are not just about the box office. "The key on looking at the profitability of Michael's movies is that they've got a very long tail, well after the theatrical run," he said. "Everybody's seen Heat. Everybody's seen Last of the Mohicans. … [The films] do fantastically well in video, on all television outlets, overseas."
So what did Miami Vice do? The movie cost significantly more than the $135 million claimed by the studio and it grossed only $63 million domestically. With foreign box-office bringing the number to $164 million, it would have needed a tail that could span a continent to make money. But its DVD sales were not stellar. And this time, DVD sales overall are slumping.
Public Enemies is another film with a budget past the acknowledged $100 million. And sources say Mann went about business as usual on the set: Johnny Depp disliked Mann’s chaotic style of filmmaking to the point that he ultimately refused to speak to the director. Universal executive Dylan Clark (who has subsequently resigned to take another position) was forced to act as go-between. (All parties declined to comment.)
All this comes at a particularly bad time for Universal. There is a loud drumbeat that big management upheaval is imminent there after a string of disappointments: State of Play, Duplicity, and the inexplicable Land of the Lost. If in fact the guard changes, Public Enemies will be perceived as one of the films that helped to bring down the regime at a studio.
So it’s hard to imagine that Mann will pick up another $100 million budget—or even $50 million or $60 million—for his next project. But this comes when the overwhelming success of Transformers and the failure of several artistically ambitious films will make the studios more risk-averse than ever. Universal linked a director who tries to pursue an artistic vision with one of the few true movie stars that we have left. When experiments like that don’t succeed, we may be left with so few movies for grownups that within a year, the Academy won’t be able to find even five, much less 10, credible candidates for Best Picture.
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The main thing about Mann that people don't like is that he doesn't make movies to "entertain". Mann is so detail oriented that he movies drag out and have a lot of more boring parts to add those details to the story.
The payoff is the Mann makes very realistic movies without plot-holes in his stories. You'll never see a Mann gun-fight and roll your eyes, as if to say "whatever".
I suppose the biggest thing people have to ask themselves is do they want mindless action or a slow, drawn out good story?
"The payoff is the Mann makes very realistic movies without plot-holes in his stories. You'll never see a Mann gun-fight and roll your eyes, as if to say "whatever"."
Actually, that is EXACTLY what will happen when you see this movie. The plot holes are enormous, and almost every gunfight (of which there are way too many) will have you roll your eyes and say "whatever."
Looked at one way (how much does a director bug the suits?), Michael Mann and Michael Bay are apparently in the same category. Looked at another way: "The Insider"; "Last of the Mohicans." Enough said.
A Michael Mann movie is like reading classic literature. Every detail is there for you, and the degree of realism is through the roof. Unfortunately, not many people like that stuff now days. They'd rather read People Magazine over War and Peace. The same goes for movies.
That said; I'm still excited for this movie. Mann's insane but a good director and story teller. Plus, I think I have a man crush on Johnny Depp (don't worry therapy's keeping it from becoming an obssession).
"Artistic merit aside..."
That's some caveat. Most Hollywood movies--especially those that reliably draw high box office returns--are unbearably stupid. Michael Mann's movies are almost uniformly excellent. They are visually stunning, smartly written, challenging to the audience, and formally ambitious. The thrust of this article seems to be that none of this matters, and that Mann would be wise to lose the style, add some cleavage and one-liners, and make himself into a bankable enterprise. I for one hope he doesn't.
On the one hand I like Mann's balls to the wall approach to filmmaking (art should and can be dangerous) but I also think with his past couple films the money hasn't wound up on screen. I think alot of the problems he's been facing recently are due to shooting digitally. It just doesn't look good enough. I think Fincher did a decent job shooting in HD for Zodiac (a great film) but I don't think its a coincidence that that film didn't make any money either. When people go to the movies they want it to look like a FILM...Not some cheap looking sci fi channel production. A lot money was spent on Public Enemies and none of it looks like it made it on the screen because the digital cameras he's using suck all the life out of the image. Heat and The Insider are his best films. But they were shot on film and were compositionally speaking incredibly cinematic. Depp is overrated and Bale is not always at his best (really depends on who is directing him). I think Mann and many other directors in Hollywood would do well to learn how to go back to basics. Rather than trying to make the most expensive film imaginable why not start with making a good film. There is no reason that this film should have cost over 100 million dollars to make. And the studio was stupid to green light it at that budget considering that most period films (action or not) usually do poorly at the box office (i.e. Clooney's Leatherheads). I think director's deserve more artistic control but with a smaller budget (ideally under 30 mil). It worked for people in the 70's and 80's there is no reason it shouldn't work now. And actor's salaries are WAY too high. No one goes to see a movie because of an actor anymore. People are drawn in by trailers and concept...Period. So, a 20 million dollar paycheck to Jim Carey (Yes Man) or Will Smith (Seven Pounds) doesn't promise you solid box office returns.
You make some good points all around, esp. about Johnny being overrated, but this is his best movie in a long time. I got tired of seeing him in silly costumes and clown makeup. Maybe "adult" directors like Scorcesee just don't think Depp can pull off a movie like the Departed and he doesn't get the scripts; only from Tim Woods. He and Cotillard make a good duo and should consider making another movie -- maybe a light comedy. I liked Depp in Chocolate, a small role, but he was very sexy. I think that's the problem. Depp seems to be sexless in his movies, when he can pull off sex better than any actor (certainly better than Damon and Clooney).
He should maybe consider working with a foreign director, because talk about sucking the life out of somebody: Tim Woods. But we don't know why that relationship keeps rolling. Maybe Woods pays more money than anybody else.
As for Mann and PE, I enjoyed watching the movie although I knew the story and how it would end. Mann shoots better gunfights than anybody and yeh, there may be too many in this movie. This movie comes closest to Bonnie & Clyde IMO and you know that was many decades ago. I'm not sure the public is sophistocated enough to appreciate B&C if it was released today.
Depp is "over-rated"?! He's one of the best if not the best male actor out there today. He defies stereotyping and has the creativity and the artistic reach that can make an otherwise mediocre film worth seeing just because he is in it.
That being said, he's made some lousy role choices in recent years. He should cut away from Tim Burton whose become a lazy film maker whose been making the same movie over and over again..same characters....just different costumes and sets.
Depp needs to take on some real projects where he can show himself as the great actor he really is...up there with Brando.
Hmm. I agree that Mann is a fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants director in respect to some of his shooting techniques. However, Mann is, and has been for some time, one of the leading proponents of digital technology in film. Mann started experimenting with digital editorial flourishes in his earlier films like The Insider and Ali, before going all-out and shooting almost entirely in digital for Collateral and Miami Vice (on the Thomson Viper FilmStream cameras). Mann's skill in digital is unsurpassed - his films are an exercise in aesthetic-not just character. His images cascade around you and immerse you in a world of sensation. I don't believe that this element of his films overshadows their substance. Mann's films are exactly the type of movies I want to see. Realistic, artisitic, gritty and with substance. Every one of his movies is worth it's weight in gold. I'm with you 100% regarding the studio's stupidity to green light Public Enemies at that budget. Look at Michael Clayton - an adult drama with grit and realism and it's studio budget was $21,500,000. More artistic controlsmaller budget is an equation that I like the sound of a LOT.
Mann makes Indie (independent) films with studio money and that's what makes The Suits nervous. If Mann is going to survive, he'll have to make some commercial garbage to stay around and show The Suits he can speak their financial language . . . P-R-O-F-I-T-S!
Maybe Mann should do like Coppola and finance his own movies.
love mann...and studios will be studios..., none of my favorie movies in teh last 10 years have made that much money- well maybe Slumdog!
However, even for Mann- there is absolutely no excuse for Miami Vice..., what an absolute pice of @#$% that was. What was it all about?
Slumdog! Forever! Loved that movie.
Masters, this is a new low for you. What kind of Nikki Finke wannabe reporting is this scurrilious gossip. I've worked with someone below the line who worked for both Bay and Mann closely - as opposed to hear bottom feeding bottom line gossip from studio execs who only care about money - and yes I've heard Mann is a cruel taskmaster, but he earns your respect through his knowledge, fearlessness, and attempt to aim for something higher. Just like Cameron. Whereas no one respects Bay, not even his leading actresses - who are willing to make public comments about their lack of humanity, but everyone humors him because he makes money. So whose side are you on as a journalist? The money or the art? Since you'd prefer to see Mann go down in flames because he at least aims for art, it's pretty obvious. I hope you enjoy the hell out of a lifetime of Transformers and The Islands. Maybe Bay can even do a sequel to Pearl Harbor. What a pointlessly cruel and misguided article. You fail to offer your own perspective on Public Enemies, probably because you haven't seen it. I was as surprised by anybody when I saw it this evening in NYC - and there was applause at the end. I kid you not.
I hate the way Hollywood works these days because of what it churns out. Big, dumb movies made for 14 year old boys - how depressing.
My husband and I went to see this movie last night on opening night, and it was very good. Depp brings great empathy to his character and the "cold chill" between Agent Purvis (Christian Bale) and Dillenger was excellent. The main thing sorely lacking is Mr. Mann didn't "hype up" the folk hero atmosphere that evolved around John Dillenger at the time. This important component would have "lightened up" the movie just a bit. A great gangster movie, and Johnny Depp was excellent as usual. Don't listen to the critics if you like this genre of movie.
I have always enjoyed Michael mann's productions, but he should stick to fiction. When you take a historical situation such as the "great bank robber era" of the 30's, twist it inside out with fabrications posed as fact, timelines reversed and credit taken from real figures and shoved on to others just to make the story line more appealing, all you get is a visually attractive travesty. Giving Melvin Purvis credit for capturing or killing all these bad guys is crap. Purvis was an incompetent policeman who spent more time trying to get headlines than doing actual crime fighting. To glorify him at the expense of the known figures who actually did the work is bogus and perpetuates myth over history. Why can't a director just work with what actually happened rather than having the egotistical gall to think their version of events is so much better. If you want to re-write history, make it a fictional work and stop using real peoples names. It is as bad as having Roy Rogers playing Billy the Kid as a heroic figure.
see again Public Enemies:Purvis isn't a heroic guy in this movie,he's the villain!
Dillinger is shown as a romantic gangster too "likeable" to be a good real gangster.
I'm not a bit surprised that they clashed. Mann is THE most world-class, horrific asshole I've ever seen in showbiz, and I've seen a few. Just a mean, cruel motherf'er. On the other hand Johnny is one of the true gentleman of the industry, nice and gentle to one and all. Mann is a disorganized mess and covers it up by screaming and terrorizing people. His staff are like terror-stricken citizens of some Totalitarian state. He better hope ENEMIES makes money or maybe the town will finally be over him. He cares deeply about the movies he makes but that's no excuse to treat people as he does, knowing he can get away with it.
every one knows Mann is a difficult movie maker and he knows what he wants:he's perfectionist and he wants the best movie.
Perhaps Depp became lazy and didn't know how to work with him.They're not perfect guys but after the Chicago première,they ate together at "gibson" restaurant.
l really like Depp but all i know is in Europe,he didn't give one interview to promote the movie but he went in premiere whereas Mann,Cotillard and Bale(him during Terminator promo) did their job to sell the movie.
I don't care if people is good person because all i want is a good movie and Public Enemies is verry good
Well his attention to "detail" has one BIG FLAW.It was in 1933 that the Union Station massacre in Kansas City MO occured, prompting the formation of the FBI and providing J Edgar Hoover a job. But you know, this is Missouri. Who's heard of Missouri? Its not even a part of the Union is it?
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