As an old Republican, who used to know the Republican Party before I found it difficult for actually decades. Not to say the Democratic Party is doing much better. I know from complaints from friends who are Democrats that the canned "oh you are so stupid you think you are really talking to the head of the party, or President, or whoever they are using to raise money" or "oh you are so stupid you will blindly follow along" days are not just with the Republicans.

I feel that as one leading Democrat said on Bill Maher, maybe it is time for us, Republicans, as well as he was discussing Democrats, and their leadership, to take back our party. He was discussing the "them" of the Dems saying those who disagreed needed to leave. This attitude is on both sides of the aisle. We Americans need to take back our country, along with our parties. We need to respect and listen to the other parties, to elect whomever we ALL as a majority see as best for the job, not the person with the most commercials and lobbyists.

We are in disaster in our country, and we all need to fix it. No time for name calling, and shame on anyone who does it, on both sides of the aisle.

Bulldog
I thought to myself, "What a perfect running mate for Palin when she throws her hat into the ring in 2012." (And--horrors!--I have NO doubt that she will.)
Little Miss Shay has every bit the intellectual sophistication of Sarah, plus she's got that whole "It's my critics' fault when I screw up/Why does everybody always pick on me" thing down to a tee.

@jst4horses: I agree wholeheartedly. The only problem is we don't vote for the person who best shares our views because chances are we haven't heard about them, or they've been pushed so far out of the mainstream media that the average American would be left to respond "Who?"

I used to be a Democrat but I'm finding them to be just about as worthless as the Republicans, but in a totally different way. Essentially, I feel like our leaders are taking different principles and then somehow using them to screw us over in the exact same way, with the limitation of individual rights continuing today for even the most silly, insignificant things. The government on both federal and state levels is bloated and horribly inefficient, supported only by the fact that it can force the rest of the country to do so.

I don't mean to sound like I'm at the front of some political movement. On the contrary, at this point I feel completely disillusioned with politics. Why? You have the most powerful man in the world, sitting in his office, afraid to act in order to save innocent civilians from the brutal oppression of a fraudulent government. What's the one thing stopping him from acting?

Wait a minute. The people on this post aren't just racists, they are also illiterate. Who is Bin Lauden? "Muslim is on their side" should be "Muslims are on their side." I assume these folks went to public school, and we all pitched in for that, which is socialism. Their ignorance is a waste of our tax dollars, and they should pay us back. Is all peebles in the surth this dang dum?

@MizLiz
Some of these "100% devout Christians" are practitioners of that perverse "brand" of Christianity that allows all those people in white sheets to imagine they're doing God's work, burn crosses and spout ignorant hatred "in the name of Jesus."
I'm Agnostic. Do I believe that ALL Christians behave in this way? ABSOLUTELY NOT. But I do believe that ALL the "Christians" that DO behave in this way are probably aligned with the far-Right and (sadly for them) the Republican party? Yes. (Or else they have no party affiliation at all and are living in some compound/bunker out West armed for their next David Koresh apocolyptic showdown.)

Why get out front when Dems are doing such a great job at self-destruction?
You're totally misinformed about Palin. Liberals/Progressive's wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face! They just do NOT know how to relate to honesty/truth and integrity; masters at ridicule and politics of destruction. The obliteration of US is on YOUR shoulders. Try some Ethics; not the kind used by the Liberal masses: 'Ends Justify the Means," incorporating a total discard of good judgement

Republican Base here; not a Christian. Ignorant to believe all GOP/GOP base are Christians. Can believe racist comments read here. Takes racists to know them.

The "other people do it too" defense is always so lame.

Maybe you should rephrase your comment to say you're shocked that Democrat voters in your district only vote for Democrats and openly say so.

Given the racist behavior of the GOP, whom would you except them to vote for?

I don't know what you're talking about there. There are plenty of white leaders in heavily black areas. Look at Chicago. Mayor Daley is white as the driven snow and yet has been elected in Chicago many many times despite Chicago's status as a decidedly minority majority city. almost 40% of the city is white and another 20% is hispanic and yet somehow he manages to win the democratic vote every time.

The idea that blacks only vote for blacks is a straw man "reverse racism" claim. There have been hundreds of white politicians that have gotten 90 % of the black vote in races both local and national, yes even against black candidates. Did all blacks just vote for Al Sharpton in 2004 because he was the only black presidential candidate, hardly.

democracyforall said:

>>I'm shocked, shocked that black Democrat voters in my district only vote for blacks and openly say so.

Really?

It seems to me that if "I" (read, "my group") had been frozen out legally and extra-judicially from political participation for a few centuries, I might feel that those in my group who most likely share a common heritage and experience and are best able to represent my interests.

We all us "filters" to determine our views, to some extent: I'm a liberal so I ted to accept the views of other liberals. Some are conservatives, and ty do the same.

Taken to extremes, this isn't the best way to make political analyses, IMO, but I understand why people to it

You mileage may vary....

democracyforall..did you miss something? The reference is to people being put in cages...DA!

Sorry but your argument doesn't hold water: are you saying that African Americans have never voted for a white presidential candidate? Whites are the minority in New York City, yet Mayor Boomberg- a republican -was elected. It's no wonder that African Americans tend to vote democratic considering the overt racism demonstrated in recent years by the GOP. Did you watch the West Virginia Democratic primaries where white people interviewed openly said they wouldn't vote for Barack Obama because he was African American? Furthermore, I don't see how you can equate the use of racial ephitets with political preferences unless you're just trying to make it "a wash" by saying that everyone does it (which still doesn't work).

I'm shocked, shocked that out of 44 Presidents, 43 of them have been white, must be a coincidence. As for Barack Obama, only 43% of whites voted for him as compared to 95% of African Americans, 76% of Asian Americans, and 66% of Hispanics.

I am shocked, shocked that a right winger is incapable of using proper English -- it is Democratic voters, not Democrat voters. And I would be shocked, shocked at any Democrat who voted for a Republican these days, given the dismal choices available on the right side of the table at the moment.

Shocked are you? Who the hell do you think Blacks voted for before Obama. Obviously they were all White men. I'm shocked that you're shocked and so very naive. And tell me, do you keep your candidate of choice a secret or do you openly announce it. Sounds like you, Ms. Shays and her friend Piker have a lot in common.

I am black, and your point is valid. Some of my folks have a problem of letting go of the vestiges of slavery. That said, it ain't right for slurs to be mouthed by anyone, period.

You shouldn't be so surprised. Without knowing where you are and who the candidates are, I would say that those voters do not trust white politicians fir some reason. My question would be what occurred to make them come to that position. Much in the same way Black people do not vote republican.

Since we've had a plethora of black political candidates I can see exactly where they're coming from! What an asinine comment!

democracyforall
I'm shocked, shocked that black Democrat voters in my district only vote for blacks and openly say so.///////// WELL WHERE DO YOU LIVE? NEAR STONE MOUNTAIN?

Not only Republicans in your district vote for white people, but all over the nation white republicans vote for white people. Very few African Americans if any have won elected office by getting white republican votes. That same Michael Steele that was appointed essentially to chair the DNC can rest assure those same white republicans would not vote for him to be president. They would use him just like they used Sarah. They thought Sarah would steal the white women votes from Hillary for McCain and it backfired and turned white women off. They think Steele is going to recruit black votes for them. It is not going to work. The different ethnic groups know false bait when they see it just as women are not stupid and did not fall for that Sarah Palin Crap African American will not fall for that Michael Steele Trap.

I'm shocked that people like you are incapable of any type of rational thought. Blacks don't vote black. Blacks vote democratic. Like any voter, blacks vote for the issues that affect their lives. So instead of blaming blacks for voting democratic, you should blame republicans for only reaching out to rich white men and the hags who love them.

PS and just as there were blacks who voted for Obama because he was black, there were TWICE as many whites who did not vote for him because he was black. Where's your outrage for that? Just as I thought. Typical republican hypocrisy.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're refering to the Young Republicans or the GOP itself. Second, no one's talking about "shutting down the club" in any case; the point the article is trying to make is that the GOP leadership itself may be "shutting down the club" by its apathetic response to overt racism from its members. Just look at the GOPs lack of response to the racist picture of president Obama that was sent out last week.

To be more honest, if you are a Republican, though you may not think of yourself as a racist, most likely you condone, excuse and accomodate racism every day.

So, what is Louis Farrakkan's political persuasion?

[[The Democrats were once the party of slavery and the Confederacy and secession. Then they were the party of the Klu Klux Klan and Jim Crow and lynching.]]

And then in the mid-1960s most of the racist Southern Democrats became Republicans. This Republican has been around long enough to have seen it happen. The names Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms ring a bell?

Plantagenet: Where have you been hiding, booby? We're still waiting for a reference for that piece of information you gave us about Barack being an affirmative action student at Harvard. We're still waiting, boychik............

And you got all that from reading this post...? What an a r s e!

Yes, Plant
Would really appreciate your fleshing out the whole "Barack Obama-as-affirmative-action-charity-case-at-Harvard" thing with some facts.

YEA BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REPUBLICANS? WHO WERE ONCE THE GOOD GUYS?

OK, I'll go out on a limb---with my opinion, since there are no data that I know of:

The right IS the only one that slips and uses racial invective.

Reaction?

I do not agree with that. Republicans have a disproportionate amount of crazzies in their camp.

All plausible.

Well yes. Only European Americans can be racist. All peoples can be prejudice. But only those people who refer to themselves as white can be racist in the US. For no one but whites have the political power to pass laws against non-whites based on there prejudice. This is racism in its raw form.

@Fenario

"The Tea Party Participants were part of a "grassroots" movement that had "no official connection" to the Republican Party and were hardly representative of the Republican platform."

Just because they hd no 'official' connection doesn't mean they aren't connected.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/aaondz
http://www.freedomworks.org/about/about-freedomworks

ooooh

It seems they are now..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/tax-day-tea-parties-offic_n_186 788.html

Thats right! Next thing you know those Republicans will be making rascist statements about ethnicity and ownership of convenience stores!! Oh wait, that was Joe Biden!

Only applies to the groups....the leftwingers select?, all others are irrlevant.

The Democratic Party certainly has a few of its own racists - you should have heard some of the comments during the presidential primary, but the fact of the matter remains that any given racist is far more likely to be a Republican than a Democrat. I'm not saying that the Republican Party is racist, but that the right wing and conservatism is on the same side of the spectrum as reactionaries and groups like the KKK.

Fenario you are in my mind man!! Well said! G-Lo! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Calling someone a racist is not the same as being a racist. When will the idiots learn?

The problem has principally been, the whole time, a Southern problem.

There are still plenty of white, racist Democrats in the South.

Yes, there are, plenty of white racists in the south, don't know that they are Democrats anymore tho, and they constantly have the need to add, but they are nice people. This in the year of our Lord, 2009. Ok.

"There are still plenty of white, racist Democrats in the South."

There might be a few, but most of them became Republicans after LBJ's Civil Rights Act in 1964.

no fear of crime?

Josh-Narins: I am from Atlanta, so do not be fooled into thinking it is a Southern problem. I live in Pa., and between Pittsburgh, and Philly, you have Alabama, as the old saying goes. Pa., had one of the highest Klan pops in the Nation. The language and crap I saw going on here would have made one think there were in the South. Murtha was correct when he stated, people are racist.

You think the South is racist. Wow, you need to take a look at New Jersey and other North Eastern States. You guys just do not have a rounded education of our Nation's racist areas.

Actually Republicans are the party of Abraham Lincoln. Democrats like Strom Thurmon have been the party of racism for over a century.

Racism is not a "Southern" issue. In America, it's an everywhere issue. As a black man, we tend to say that at least in the south, they hate you to your face. Everywhere else they smile while tying the noose.

Racism and prejudice are not confined to one political party or the other or are they confined to a particular geographical locations. I have lived in the deep, deep South my whole life. My parents did not tolerate racial slurs. The "n" word was never spoken in my home. I was taught to behave respectfully to all adults. I was a senior in high school before I knew that bigotry and prejudice existed against Jews and a freshman in college before I ever encountered bigotry against hispanics. I had to travel to various parts of the country to learn that as soon as some people heard that I was from Mississippi, it was automatically presumed that I was illiterate and bare foot despite my post graduate education.

Having now been exposed to a broad cross section of this nation, I have come to the conclusion that whereas bigotry and prejudice can be learned behavior passed from one generation to the next, it arises when one group feeling disenfranchised tries to build themselves up at the expense of another group. It is always based in ignorance, hatred and fear. Republicans haven't cornored the market on ignorance, hatred and fear, however, as they have shrunk, they are left with a fringe element that does embrace those characteristics. But, in case, you still think that racism is confined to the south, the state of Minnesota gave us Bachmann, Palin is from Alaska and Pennsylvania is home to the largest, most active KKK membership.

trollllllllllll

Sadie and her ideas talking points put out by very conservative think tank, so you have it right everything.

You must be joking...or just really dumb. And I say that as a woman.

The New York Times does NOT call white women "b**ches." I have read the NYT daily for years and never come across that. Sadie is making this up. Having said that, yes, sexist humor is still often unquestioned.

Sadie,
It's one thing to say the NY times say this or that - NYTimes says white women are b**ches. Can you back it up with documentation?
Send the link of the actual article. Sorry I'm just not going to take your word for it. Too many quotes out there that people never said.

I don't think anyone denies sexism or racism in this country. But you seeming to be saying if bitch is acceptable then coon should be as opposed both should be. And yes bitch is more exceptable.than coon probably because the racial history in America appears to be a more sensitive issue. Also let's look at what you are saying about a woman when one calls her a "bitch" and what you are saying about a black person when you call then a "coon" it doesn't compare.

Funny, but I've never heard of the NYT calling women the b-word.
If you can't provide any PROOF of this, keep walking.

Is that anything like John McCain's apathetic response to the woman who asked him "How do we beat the b*tch?"

Let's put it this way. I know women who say, "Damn right, I'm a bitch sometimes!" or I've even seen it on t-shirts. http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=t-shirt bitch&btnG=Search Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

However, there is no way you will hear black people say, "Hell yeah, I'm a coon". Bitch can go both ways, but coon is always really, really ugly. The fact that you compare the two shows you are clueless. It reminds me of an argument I had with a workmate who kept using the words "Paki" and "Raghead" - when I chewed him out about it, his defense was, "It goes both ways, I don't whine and complain when they call me 'limey'." I just said, "Oh limey, that's got to hurt. White kids come home crying all the time saying, 'The other kids called me a limey!'. Some people have no clue.

Here's a story to illustrate the power of racism. A friend of mine is black and his wife is Native American. Their child, only five, came home crying, absolutely distraught. He asked his parents, "The other kids called me an Indian, is it true? Am I an Indian?" His dad asked, "Why are you so upset, do you even know what an Indian is?" His son said, "I don't know... but I know it's really, really bad. I don't want to be an Indian!"

Ok so documentation. Google Dowd and "white bitch". or "brooke astor" and bitch! The New York Times called Hillary a white bitch and by extension all women are open season. repeating what others say is just as bad. I am sure there are people who could be quoted calling Obama the n word, but the Times would never stoop that low.

CNN guest called Hillary a Bitch (link on Must Links on CNN) and Gloria Borger nods along!

Letterman calls Palin a slut and DB nails her as the Bully!
I am a liberal woman, who is disgusted by Cheenthere saying that anyone who opposes sexism is a troll. RU kidding me? Since when has it been a conservative talking point to complain about women being called derogatory terms? I guess in Obamaland that is the fear! Keep the sexism coming least Obama not benefit from it!

re the comparison? RU kidding? Bitch and whore and slut are the common terms used when raping women. no harm? not only is that foolish but misogynistic. the VAW that is happening in our country is appalling and you are saying the B word is not problematic. no link? sure and my mamma is 300 years old!

to the person who said here is a story about racism:
Here's a story to illustrate the power of racism. A friend of mine is black and his wife is Native American. Their child, only five, came home crying, absolutely distraught. He asked his parents, "The other kids called me an Indian, is it true? Am I an Indian?" His dad asked, "Why are you so upset, do you even know what an Indian is?" His son said, "I don't know... but I know it's really, really bad. I don't want to be an Indian!"

Here's a story to illustrate the power of seixsm. A friend of mine is male and his wife is female. Their child, only five, came home crying, absolutely distraught. she asked her parents, "The other kids called me a whore, is it true? Am I an whore?" Her dad asked, "Why are you so upset, do you even know what an whore is?" His daughter said, "I don't know... but I know it's really, really bad. I don't want to be an whore!" She grew up went to college and was brutally raped as the man doing thsi called her a whore and a slut.

She tuned into David Letterman the next night and watched the audience go nuts calling a wife and mother and governor a slut. She called her mom and said: I know now what a whore is: it is me and you and every whore woman on this planet.
sexism is JUST as bad as racism!
for link to CNN video of OK to call Hillary a bitch: and lots of documention of sexism in press:
femisex.com.
this website is devoted to rooting out sexism in our culture!
DB disables links sent as far as i can tell. I've posted some on sexism to Reclusive Leftist and FemiSex and TNA and they are all disabled.
But Google it!
Or how about Randi Rhodes calling Hillary a whore? Or Salon calling Palin "fuckable" it goes on and on.
My hope is that people will stop calling women sluts and bitches on a routine basis by the time my daughter is grown.

@sadie

Those were some good stories. When is your book coming out? Look for it in the fiction section... right?

Yeah we got it. We put our spurs in your and you buck an buck. Or you are full of shit. Post the link to the article where the NYT declares all white women to be bitches.

And speaking from experience, I would say half of all women are.

empulse asked:
Post the link to the article where the NYT declares all white women to be bitches.

And speaking from experience, I would say half of all women are.

reply: as i mentioned the DB disables links; just google Dowd and the b word and you will get the reference. Femisex.com or Reclusive Leftist will be other great sources for you on sexism in media and our culture, respectively.

as to you comment that half of women are the b word, it goes hand in hand that a bigot such as yourself thinks half of blacks are coons. bigots rarely are bigots to only one group. give it up baby, it will feel so good to stop hating women! try it, and then burn that noose as well !

Cymatic to quote you..."However, there is no way you will hear black people say, "Hell yeah, I'm a coon". Bitch can go both ways, but coon is always really, really ugly."

It is funny to see what we remember and what we choose to forget (though I do realize some of you may be to young to remember some of this)...but in 1991 Ice T released an album title Original Gangster (OG)...now while I happen to like Ice T his album was full of hatred towards whites, women, using your criteria (blacks) and basically everyone that wasn't in the Ice T posse so to speak. I have chosen two songs to pull lyrics from that were a part of the OG album in 1991, the first is Straight Up Nigga, where Ice T says, "...damn right, I'm a nigga and I don't care what you are, 'cause I'm a capital N-I-double-G-E-R..." The second song is from Bitches 2 where Ice T describes a former friend of his as a "...Fly nigga, my ace boon coon..."

So it sounds to me like a black man just might say, "hell yeah! I'm a coon!" Which in reality I find rather humorous. I think it goes without saying that there are stupid people on both sides of every argument, but to dismiss the plight of women as okay because some women think it is okay to be referred to as a BITCH, I do think some blacks think it okay to refer to them as Niggers. Listen to current music, listen to black stand up comedians, listen to black life being portrayed by black directors in black movies....they all use the N-word.

We are taking a stupid comment by a stupid person, and the fact that someone else did not immediately react to it and blowing it out of proportion. I am a Facebook user as well, I have missed wall comments, and even IM comments...I am human though it seems most of you view yourselves as divine!

Okay Sadie you lost me. In my story, the father has to explain to his son that YES, he IS an Indian (and of course explain the positive aspects of it.) In your story, it's the opposite, the father would explain that whoever said that simply doesn't know what the word means. The kids might as well have called her a space alien because neither could be true. No doubt sexism hurts and can even lead to fatalities. Our argument is simply that the word "bitch" doesn't have the power of the word "coon". Now the words "whore" and "cunt" are another case, and are considered by many to be among the ugliest words in the language alongside the worst racial epithets. Nowadays, bitch has even become an equal opportunity word and men, including myself, get called it in jokes. It doesn't have the power it had 20 years ago.

sadie101 She tuned into David Letterman the next night and watched the audience go nuts calling a wife and mother and governor a slut. She called her mom and said: I know now what a whore is: it is me and you and every whore woman on this planet. Sexism is JUST as bad as racism! I've posted some on sexism to Reclusive Leftist and FemiSex and TNA and they are all disabled. ///////// SADIE, YOU'RE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY WOMEN ARE CALLED BITCHES. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT, WHY DONT YOU DO SOME RESEARCH AND REALIZE THAT THE IMPRESSION YOU MAY GET FROM ONE BITCH IS FOR A PERSONAL REASON AND NOT WHAT IT MAY SEEM. FIRST, SARA PALIN DID NOT TUNE IN TO HEAR LETTERMAN. SHE GOT A PHONE CALL FROM SOME OTHER BITCH WHO JUST HAD TO START ALL THIS LETTERMAN ABUSE. THATS RIGHT, ABUSE!!! WHY DO I SAY IT'S ABUSE?? BECAUSE I'M NOT A BITCH, AND I DO MY HOMEWORK. ONLY TO FIND THAT SINCE PALIN WAS NOMINATED THERE WERE TONS OF JOKES ON PALIN AND/OR HER DAUGHTER. NOT WILLOW, NOT PIPER, BRISTOL. A SIMPLE BRAIN WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE KNOCKED UP UN WED DAUGHTER, SO CUT THE CRAP ABOUT LETTERMAN BEING A RAPIST PEDOPHILE. THAT'S BITCHING. BITCHING, RAGGING, AND BULLSH*TTIN'. LETS SEE WHAT SOME OF THESE JOKES WERE :
1) "AFTER INTRODUCING HERSELF AT THE REPUBLICAN'S CONVENTION, SARAH PALIN SPOKE PROUDLY ABOUT BEING A HOCKEY MOM. IT'S UNKNOWN WHICH POSITION HER KIDS PLAY, BUT ONE OF THEM ISN'T VERY GOOD AT PROTECTING THE CREASE."---CONAN O'BRIAN SEPT 6 2008. ** SINCE O'BRIAN SAID "ONE OF HER DAUGHTER'S I GUESS IF YOU'RE A BITCH YOU CAN SAY THAT OBRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT HER 6 YEAR OLD PIPER'S "CREASE" RIGHT?
2) "Saturday night, Sarah Palin is going to drop the first puck at the Philadelphia Flyers' hockey game. Then Palin will spend the rest of the game trying to keep the hockey players out of her daughter's penalty box." --Conan O'Brien 10/08/08 *** HOW ABOUT THAT ONE?? AN ENTIRE HOCKEY TEAM GANG RAPING HER DAUGHTER'S "PENALTY BOX"?? DO U KNOW WHO PALIN TOOK TO THAT GAME?? 6 YEAR OLD PIPER AND 13 YEAR OLD WILLOW.

3). "The Republican Convention is under way. The theme for tonight's Republican Convention is, 'Who is John McCain?' Tomorrow night's theme is, 'Who forgot to check if the Vice President's daughter is pregnant?'" --Conan O'Brien**** AGAIN, WHICH DAUGHTER??? LET'S BE BITCHES. THE JOKE WAS ON THE 6 YEAR OLD.
4) "Gov. Palin announced over the weekend that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant. And you thought John Edwards was in trouble before! Now he has really done it," Leno joked.*** NOW ISNT THAT VERY IDENTICAL TO THE AROD JOKE? LENO SAYS SENATOR EDWARDS KNOCKED HER UP, LETTERMAN SAYS AROD.
***** SO NOW ASK YOURSELF, "WHY GIVE LETTERMAN HELL"? WHY ARE ALL OF YOU FOLLOWING WHATEVER SHE SAYS?? IN SCHOOL, DIDNT THEY MAKE YOU RESEARCH? SCHOOL PREPARES YOU FOR LIFE. SO RESEARCH IN LIFE AS YOU WOULD RESEARCH IN SCHOOL AND YOU WOULDN'T END UP TALKING, ACTING AND LOOKING LIKE A BITCH. THIS LETTERMAN CRAP IS PATHETIC I'M SURPRISED HE DOESNT SUE PALIN FOR SLANDER.

innovations, thanks for the demonstration of batshit craziness.

@Innovations --you are one dislodged whacked-out female hating person. let me make this simple:
Letterman called Palin a slut. I dress like Palin, my boss dresses like Palin. Get a clue. The sexulazation of women is dehumanizing, a overt trick to gain us disrespect no matter how we dress or who we are. We are All sluts. The stewardess or governor.

@rainwolf-- well said. nothing to add xcept, watch out for the bigot who says: because this black says n word OK , let's go! same goes for the foolish women who find no problem with the b, s or w words for women. Fools who do harm!
@cynamitic
you say:
Our argument is simply that the word "bitch" doesn't have the power of the word "coon."

I ask:
how many women were raped last year in the US? how many blacks lynched?
get a clue the b word is a word to dehumanize women and it persistance is directly related to dehumanizing behavior towards women! when coon and nigger were in constant use, treatment of blacks was much much higher. Those who lobbied HARD to rid the US of such awful words have done a huge service to blacks. I can tell you this! Get rid of the word bitch, whore and slut in mainstream TV , media and radio and respect for women will rise and crimes against them will drop.
GET ON BOARD. I worked hard for the end of the N word, and now I want the end of B word for EXACTLY the same reasons. Cultural respect!
I say: don't trust those who lobby for using the N word: they are bigots and don't trust those who lobby for the B word (and you do, in denying the damage associated with the word.) for they are bigots just as surely!

Hello-o-o. Don't you get it? We wouldn't have known about Shay's racism if she didn't have a Facebook page, but she used that vehicle -- in her official capacity in the Young GOP -- to express racism.

As for whether its "would be as big of a deal", racism ought to be a big deal always...or don't you get that either?

Of course not, because then it would be the pedestrian racism of a private individual. But instead, it's the publicly-posted racism of someone running for chairperson of the Young Republicans, an organization sanctioned and supported by the Republican Party. That's why it's news, as well as even more disgraceful than it otherwise would be.

right on cue, deniers of sexism:

Slate, Salon, CNN, Air American, New York Times, MSNBC, LA Times, Wapo, Letterman, Maher, and every newspaper that carried sexist Hillary and Palin cartoons/

i am a troll, what is that exactly? I am a woman who finds sexism ugly. you got a problem with that?

sadie101: I applaud your concern about sexism. As a victim of it, aren't you equally concerned about victims of racism? If not, why?

@sippewissett i completely agree with you. i was replying to IKIDYOUNOT but once i saw where my post was placed, i realized that it wouldn't be clear what i meant. (thats what i get for trying to present an argument via rhetorical question.)

@sadie101 a troll is someone who presents offensive or nonsensical arguments to get reactions out of people. no one here was talking about sexism. i surely do not condone it. but just because someone somewhere has said something sexist doesn't change the fact that the debate taking place in the comments section of this article is about ... (you guessed it) the content of this article.

sadie101:

I hear you my sista. As a victim of racism, I understand why these things piss you off. Is there any reason you don't get why racist comments piss me off?

of course racism pisses me off, feminist have been clanging the bell against racism for a long LONG time.
but can show me examples of MSM racism against Obama that went unchecked or even applauded by feminists? NO! The NEW York Times did not lament there was not a ni%%er month for Obama. That would N'EVER happen and eve Jeffery Tobin had the guts to say that!
Now can you show me equal concern by the Al Sharpton for sexism? When a questionable cartoon on the Cover of the New Yorker went out Feminist Majority blasted members with emails calling for David Remnick to pull it! But FM never blasted emails about the hundreds of sexism cartoons that were published about HRC or SP.
Women are 51% of this population and sexism is Far worse than racism just now in our culture, so it is time women focus on sexism!

sadie:

First off, please don't use Al Sharpton as a representative of black or race conscious people. Al Sharpton is in it for Al Sharpton.

The Womanist movement in the 50s and 60s is a good example of race and gender crossing lines against oppression. And sociological studies actually show that once a person has been a member of an oppressed group, they give their support to other oppressed groups.

I'm not arguing against you (nor do I think you're a troll because you have an opinion; that was childish and idiotic). I'm saying that defeating oppression of any group of people is an effort that takes all people. So, when the next post on sexism comes up, I will support you and not necessarily draw attention to racism in the process.

ScrappyGal,

On the one hand I want to say BS, but since I have listened to the media Run another President down for four years, implying he's stupid, doing everything in their power to undermine every policy decision, you may have a point.

When the Senate Majority Leader declares in public declares that we "have lost" in a conflict that was ongoing which he had most assuredly not lost at that time, it does make one wonder.

So, when I see the president allow a very dysfunctional group of people that are not focused on the General well-being of the country handle the first stimulus bills crafting, I say holy crap what a rube. Whether he is black or white, it is immaterial. The fact is, putting that body in charge of a very specific piece of economic policy is foolhardy.

Just as electively invading a country was a bad idea, several of the current President's policies are bad ideas. We should strive to be objective, yeah it's hard, but we should try. Blind acceptance leads down the path to misfortune, regardless of whether you are black or white..

Hey, shorten up your diatribe. No one reads this much crap at one time.

drevilo aside, this is exactly the type of well thought out conversation we need to have. I am a registered Democrat, and I agree with most if not all of what you said above. By the end, I litterally forgot your political affiliation. Isn't that the way it should be? Isn't that what we want for our children? Well said, my friend.

Thank you I did read it all and good articulate point made. Well said as well.

I applaud you, you are f ing a right. Everyone needs to stop throwing stones because of their insecurities, and hopefully not just stupidity and recognize a house divided falls. If we don't stand together and make democracy work as it should then really one has no right to point the finger at anyone else. In a firefight everyone has everyone elses' back or everyone dies. The government is not the problem it's the people we elect to govern us. So we are the problem .Smell your own ass before you call someone else one,right?

This is a wise set of comments. Thank you for some serious sensibility about fixing the situation.

An effective use of intellect, wouldnt' you say?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein.

WELL IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU YELL. DO YOU YELL "HEY U F**KIN A-HOLE!!!" ?? OR DO U YELL " HEY U DUMB N-----"?? CAPICHE?

I said, above, that it's not a racial slur.

And quit yelling.

Back in the 50's and 60's, when the civil right movement was just beginning, one of the cocktail party discussion mantras was, "I'm not racist. Hell, some of my best friends are niggers." We've come a ways since then.

Unfortunately, that is a government status. It's often refered to as the "one drop method" of characterization. Because Obama has one drop of black blood, he's black in America's eyes. This is changing with new generations, and Obama himself does not deny his white heritage.

And so you should send it back to the fifties?? Good little conservative, aren't you?

"The pendulum always swings"; I love hearing that creed of blind hope. If there is a magical (or metaphorical) pendulum out there, which way is it swinging now? I think it could be argued that the "pendulum" has been swinging to the right for at least the last eight years, just based off the dynamic combination of the G.W. Bush administration and the 107th - 109th Congresses. The Obama administration and the 111th congress have been working together for less than six months.

Maybe instead of making grand proclomations about the impending kinetic force of a swinging object, you should turn around a look for the pendulum about to smash into your face.

Not in the South, it doesn't. People still are racist, just not overtly. All this going-on about Facebook and some redneck correspondence just proves that

I get that kind of good ol' boy victim crap in viral emails all the time from my Louisiana "buddies." (BTW, Southern hospitality is a crock of shytt.)

Actually, the way you are interpreting that truism is a historical fallacy. The pendulum has swung in the short-term (past few decades), but over the long term the point of oscillation moves, and has moved, quite dramatically.

Perhaps more importantly, the pendulum swings, but not always in the same directions. Parties die and have died in this country throughout its short history. Republicans need to consider how to regroup and improve their party, not sit around waiting for a pendulum swing that might miss them altogether.

Great example there...your counter to blatant racism in your party in 2009 is to point out a senator who was in the klan in the 40's?....lol

People love to simplify racism. I grew up with black friends in the midwest. I did not become "racist" until law school and from my time living in large cities. (so no I am not "under-educated and/or poor", nor do I "lack access or exposure to people from different places/races")

Though I have black friends who I respect, my experience is that a large percentage of black people living in urban areas are irrational, inconsiderate and often engage in socially deviant behavior.

Electing Obama as president may have gone a long way to alleviating our countries problem with race. The murder rate in San Francisco is down 50% this year. Hopefully we have started a trend toward everyone respecting each other and acting like human beings, though it does not seem the case in view of our upcoming "Young Republicans".

@politicallyincorrect
You say that you have black friends "that you respect."
You also point out that you didn't "become 'racist' until law school" when your contact with black people in urban areas left you feeling that black people "are irrational, inconsiderate and often engage in socially-deviant behavior."

Don't you think it's possible that the ugliness you claim to have witnessed in blacks in larger cities is not simply a function of skin color; but poverty? Because if it's ONLY black people in these urban areas who are behaving in these ways, AND there are equal numbers of people of other races living in the same conditions and in close proximity who ALWAYS exhibit exemplary behavior--then you may be on to something: maybe brown skin color just means you're a lazy low-life and it's only the "exceptional" black person who can rise above his skin tone. But I think that you know that isn't true. And surely you must see how assanine such a position would be? I hope so, at any rate. (And I don't say this to embarrass or scold you--I'm only hoping to open your eyes to the fact that you've fallen into an easy and lazy-minded skin-color trap.) If you were blind and had poor hearing, all you'd be able to derive from your life experience in the big city would be that some people behave very badly. What increases the odds of this bad behavior?--financial, emotional and social poverty. To complicate things, think about how many people you may have met who've have great material advantage and are utterly reprehensible and selfish human beings--and probably a larger proportion of them ARE NOT black. So would it be their material advantage, or their race, that accounts for those traits?
Please don't permit yourself a "little" racism. It's like having a little cancer--intellectually and spiritually. It really is that simple. And very difficult to live sometimes.

politicallyincorrect:

The large percentage of black people YOU met were "irrational, inconsiderate and often engage in socially deviant behavior". Growing up with primarily with white people I saw the same thing from them. BUT, I didn't "become 'racist'". I even married one of them white folk.

Your thought process is completely off kilter. You have black friends that you respect, but you call yourself racist. That's a contradiction. Also, you believe that a large percentage of a group somehow engages in unwarranted behavior. This is simply not true. For example, at any given moment, there are more black men in college than in prison or jail. Granted, all people engage in "questionable" behavior in college. :c) But I don't think you meant to include them in your analysis.

So, here's my thought about you: I don't think you're racist. To be racist, in my opinion is to have some very strong hateful views of other people. But i do think you are racialist, as can be seen from your comments. My suggestion, talk to some of your black friends who you respect. See what they think. They are probably your best source for information. You may find out that the things you see are not the norm.

No one, and I mean no one has said "There aren't racist Democrats".. that's in your head. But I will bet you dollars to donuts that more often that a racist will almost always identify with republican, Neo-con, Conservative idea (or Ideology),

You speak the truth my fellow Hoosier.
Racism is alive and well (albeit less overt) here. We're making progress against it. But don't rest easy. Judging from what I hear on a daily basis around here, we have a long way to go. Ours is not a "post-racial" America. (Whatever that really means.)

I agree fully. The Democratic Party has gotten so big because most sane people are ashamed to be Republicans. And they see people like Ben Nelson and the Blue Dogs welcomed with open arms and realize it's a big tent party. Too bad the MSM insists on reporting every legitimate policy debate within the party as some kind of knock on Obama or "fracturing" just because Republicans are so simple-minded and always march in lockstep.

Yes you can. But it is ironic that Republicans complain about Government infringing on rights like smoking in your car but don't seem to mind when government stops 2 adult men from getting married. As a straight man married to a women. The big government thing is a political tool. It's seems that the big government thing is only when you disagree with the issue otherwise government involvement is good.

Also, remember, that if States have more power than their national government in some areas, that can treat people differently in those areas, like say marriage. Well before the gay marriage issue, there was interracial marriage. That didn't get straightened out in the South until the late 1970s early 1980s. So amazingly, you can make the argumement that, in some cases, anti-government rallies can also be racist rallies.

The southern strategy had nothing to do with limited government (i.e. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I,II, the size of the government grew under all of them) it had everything to do with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, at that time those Republicans were north eastern Yankee Republicans, who supported Civil rights, these people are now mostly democrats, and now those southerners who did not support the Act were democrats now they are Republicans. If you believe the "it was about smaller government crap" you are probably very young.

The two time periods refered to in your comments (Civil War era and Civil Rights era) were very different in terms of attitude and policy for both major parties. While I won't comment on Democratic policy in the 1960s because I haven't read enough on it to draw an informed conclusion, I will say that I mostly disagree with your conclusion. The party in the Civil War era that opposed big gov't and the consolidation of executive power was the Democratic one. Those big gov't issues were strongly tied to the issue of slavery and then later to universal negro sufferage, military service, and property rights. The connection between racism and opposition to big go'vt was not incidental, it was Democratic party position policy. Concluding that the current Republican party, (with its intellectual roots deep in the history of the mid 19th Century Dem. party), carries none of this emotive baggage as it molds (and molded) party positions is misleading. I think a connection can definitely be made, at least on a philosophical level.

Joel Silbey has a great book on this very topic, A Respectable Minority. Highly recommend it.

There are a lot of blacks living in the South who run city governments, run the school systems, go to desegregated churchs, work side by side with all other races. So leave the South out of this.

I'm sorry. Leave the South in. I spent 35 years in the North and 36 years in the South. And racism is at the bottom of most things in the South. The only difference is that they don't talk about it out loud anymore, except for the occasional tone-deaf Republican.

Democracy for all......What are you talking about? The Southern Strategy is a "real" strategy the GOP used.....I suggest you google it.

I was not saying anything negative about the south. Try rereading my post.

I'd forgotten about that, you're right. There was a concerted effort to appeal to those afraid of segregation. (sorry, democracyforall). But by the mid-70s, it was winding down, thankfully, and more and more people began working to get rid of that mindset.

What I was trying to point out that yes, "there be racists there," but in the interest of fairness - or full disclosure - that there are also Republicans that are not only *not racist* but are willing to take a stand against it. To my mind, I'd like to reinforce the positive, as well as point out the negative. It avoids generalizations, which are almost never accurate.