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Why Hillary Lashed Out
Usually it’s Bill who loses it, but Hillary has swallowed a lot of aggravation in the last nine months.
The fascinating thing about Bill and Hillary’s relationship is the way they perform their emotional correctives in public. Because Bill got so thoroughly smacked around last year for mouthing off on the campaign trail at the wrong moments and causing Hillary vote-losing blowback, he has been as good as gold ever since—the very model of a discreet, dignified former president.
How appropriately stony-faced he looked the other day, sitting next to looney-tunes Kim Jong Il before the handover of the two captured journalists, Laura Ling and Euna Lee! At the former president’s 63rd birthday dinner in Las Vegas on Monday, not even old cronies like Paul Begala, Terry McAuliffe, and Haim Saban could get him to spill any dish about his dashing dash to Pyongyang on the Hollywood producer Steve Bing’s private plane (a different kind of pickup mission than the ones Mr. Bing is said to be used to). The ex-prez didn’t even lobby for a White House photo-op for the handover. He briefed the National Security Council in private, and otherwise said not a word.
Contrary to received opinion, I am told Bill’s wife was not a bit miffed at her husband’s bounding back into the limelight with that glamorous Team America rescue of damsels in distress from evil North Korea.
Hillary's frustration boils over Monday, August 10 in the Congo.
Hillary, on the other hand, has been carrying around a lot of bottled tension lately, and in Congo the cork popped. The new job has required a lot of humbling up for the woman who tried so historically to become America’s first female president. First Obama came out of nowhere and stole her exceptionalism. He played his ace of being the first African-American president against her hopes to be the queen of clubs. Then everyone bayed at her for tearing up in a moment of fatigue. Then her sin was being a sore, bitter, conniving Clinton who couldn’t give up her lust for power. Then she ate concession crow more manfully than any man has ever done.
After all that, most would have slunk away for a few months to recuperate on some island somewhere. Instead, Hillary hauled her weary pantsuit right back into the fray, fundraising and boostering on behalf of her erstwhile ex-rival. Forty campaign events in two months! And never at those rallies and fundraisers did she allow herself to look as if she wasn’t loving every minute of it—even if you sometimes sensed a certain soul-heaviness when the inevitable cluster of mournful middle-aged women for whom she represented the rescue of dignity crowded in close and waved their hand-lettered placards that said things like “18 million cracks!” and “You did it for us, Hillary!”
Obama was impressed—so impressed that he asked her to take the top job in his Cabinet and stayed on her case till she said yes. Now she’s got one of the biggest jobs on the world stage and yet she has to fight like hell not to look as if she disappeared.
But as usual it’s not the politics anyone is talking about now. The unchanging thing about the first lady/senator /presidential candidate-turned-secretary of State is the crackle of marital complications. Just as Hillary Clinton is a pol, she is also—just as intensely (and at times perplexingly)—Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton.
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Hillary has a deep-seated insecurity similar to Richard Nixon's. Say the magic words and she will fall into that patchless hole of personal strife and unresolved obsessions. It is fun when it happens and makes her look human, no matter how super-human her achievements are.
It depends piktor-
The other side of the coin
Is Hillary's big intelligence
Her competence and dogged determination.
She loves to work
And works hard-
You don't know how much sleep she had-
Or what the circumstances were.
One little crack and all of a sudden
She's as deeply insecure
As Richard Nixon?
Seems a little hissy.
I agree, the "Give Em Hell Hillary" moments when the mask falls are fun fun fun, and they make her more sympathetic, not less so (my all time favorite is the "Shame on you, Obama! Meet me in Ohio!" health care mailer meltdown).
I don't know why everybody is attacking Tina Brown, she's obviously on Hillary's side now. And most of the comments here and elsewhere seem to think that Hillary was spot on: women are not mere mouthpieces for their husband. In the context of having spent all day listening to harrowing abuses of women's rights, I'm sure Hilldawg was in no mood for that implication and rightly so.
When is Obama going to smackdown Congress and the health care lobby like this? 'I'm the President, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, not the pharmaceutical companies." He should channel Hillary!
Awesome :-)
and to piktor: I would strongly recommend you read Joan Smith's Different for Girls - about people like you who can't like women until the women publicly face humiliation, and what it says about you.
Rita,
Thanks. Apparently Hillary isn't allowed to be human. She's hardly a deeply insecure Dicky Nixon. Of course this is more mysogynist hokum about a woman who is an incredibly hard working public servant.
And you got your psych degree where? You have been her counselor, how long? Ridiculous. This should be a non story. The media is attempting to put her in the same class as Palin. Won't work. The RW and the media (same thing) have never liked Hillary, so what should we expect but this trifle.
Lynettema -- Hillary is Secreatary of State. She should be unflappable and amiable to all comers and handle all questions with a neutral point of view. She answered a question that got lost in translation and we got to see a defensive Mrs. Bill Clinton, not the U.S. Top Diplomat.
I like the "humid Congo" and "aching like crazy" elbow explanation because it puts into context and ground-level ordinaryness why she had her hair looking sorta unfluffed and the "channeling my husband" tableaux develop into the big story / non story it has become.
I mention Nixon because Hillary is complicated, highly intelligent, knows what she is talking about and is a legend in her own time. She also lost big time to a sitting senator that simply outsmarted her.
She is also as polarizing as Palin, just ask GOPers.
She's secretary of state, her temperment and outbursts are certainly not a "non story"
One outburst
Does not make one temperamental
Schenkel.
Don't be overly dramatic.
Palin vs. Hillary in a knock-em-down-drag-em outter, now that's a ticket worth buying, IMO. But Hillary in showing her dancing rhythm in the Congo is worse even than that of GWB doing the dance, Palin would likely kick her ass right back to New Yawk.
Hillary is more intelligent, better educated, and has a much better work ethic than Palin. Otherwise, there are distinct similarities. Of yes, and old Hillary was never a pretty girl.
agreed, piktor is simply making s*it up...but then so is Tina Brown.
Hey Piktor, she didn't lose big time to Obama, more people voted for her. She was out cheated by a scumbag group of chicago thugs and a bought off group of super delegates.
Hillary was the choice of democratic voters. In addition, she didn't seem the least bit flapped to me. She gave the right reply to the bad translation of that question.
Oh, nonsense. She got a little bit testy after having no sleep and her elbow is probably aching like crazy in that Congo humidity. You're no psychologist so stop trying.
Seriously, as someone who fairly recently went through a torn rotator cuff and the subsequent surgery and physical therapy needed to fix it, I can empathize with the lady. It's very humid in the Northeast right now, and my shoulder is gently throbbing as I type.
Did you hear the way the question was phrased to her? It's understandable, given the reality of the way women are treated in the Congo, that she took it at face value - it is exactly the question that many sexist people want to ask her. Basically it asked her about simply being a mouthpiece for her husband. I thought her answer was cool and tough. If she was a guy, this wouldn't be a story. But when a woman acts a bit tough, oooh watch out. I'm glad Hillary has guts and backbone. Good for her. It gave me that, "Don't mess with her vibe".
Powell never needed that because of his military career but it's actually important for Hillary to seen around the world as strong and something other than a mouthpiece for her husband.
Come on -- she has a lifetime of experience!!!!!
Maybe she should just press the reset button. Or tell stories about Bosnian terrorists. Or remind everyone how she brought peace to Northern Ireland.
there were bosnian terrorist and she did bring peace to Ireland. In addition more democrats voter for her over Obama and she would have won the GE with an additional 4 percentage points according to exit polls. But just keep worshipping the cool black guy in the empty suit as he betrays every liberal value you thought you were voting for.
We all saw the pictures in Bosnia and heard everyone with her say there was no sniper fire. She lacked the security clearance required to even discuss peace in Ireland where her calendar showed her sightseeing with other wifes. Exit polls reflect data on how various demographics voted. She wasn't on the ballot.
If Hillary had become president, the Republicans would be attacking her the same way they are attacking Obama--the same way they attacked Bill.
They always follow the same playbook, and the Democrats simply cannot give in to it, no matter what. They have to be like the Republicans and say we are going to pass what we campaigned on, regardless of what the Republicans say or do.
She has a rightful insecurity! Women in power always have to play catch-up and cover-up to the fact that they're women. If she had been the President in the oh-so-long-ago 90's and her husband had been appointed Secretary of State today, they would never have asked him her opinion, no one would elude to his job rubbing her bruised ego, or his position in relation to her past but greater one. Nixon was an insecure little man in his own right, but Hilary Clinton is forced to be this way.
I agree, the "Give Em Hell Hillary" moments when the mask falls are fun fun fun, and they make her more sympathetic, not less so (my all time favorite is the "Shame on you, Obama! Meet me in Ohio!" health care mailer meltdown).
I don't know why everybody is attacking Tina Brown, she's obviously on Hillary's side now. And most of the comments here and elsewhere seem to think that Hillary was spot on: women are not mere mouthpieces for their husband. In the context of having spent all day listening to harrowing abuses of women's rights, I'm sure Hilldawg was in no mood for that implication and rightly so.
When is Obama going to smackdown Congress and the health care lobby like this? 'I'm the President, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, not the pharmaceutical companies." He should channel Hillary!
Frankly, I think too much is being made of her response. Why not focus on the reason she is in Africa and tough issues with which she is dealing?
Wow - armchair shrinking at it's worst. If you actually saw the incident inquestion, you would have noticed that she handled it pretty well. Here was the Secretary of State, in a nation that holds little regard for women, being asked to speak on behalf of her husband - the question DID sound like her opinion was not important because she was a mere woman, that it would be better to hear from the man. I say BRAVO, Hillary - I wouldn't have taken that crap and I'm glad you didn't either!!!!
moderate001 -- This Clinton visit to Africa is supposed to bring about a new relationship with that continent. Mrs. Clinton on this particular instance came across as another arrogant Yankee putting her questioner in his place.
The question I heard and the person speaking was polite and respectful. Clinton was not polite and managed to be artless.
The tone of voice from the translator was indeed nice - but the wording of the question was rude, rude, rude. Obviously sexism in Africa is a non-issue for you. The reality is it is a life or death issue for many women there - and Hillary knows it.
I couldn't agree more.... as a reporter or ANYONE for that matter...when the SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE US stands before you, and graces you with time to ask her questions on her views and policies, it is FREAKING RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL to ask her, her HUSBANDS VIEW OR OPINION, and not hers. I'd be pissed and so was she, and no one from ANY nation has the right to DISRESPECT A TOP POST OFFICIAL in that manner, and hopefully she will be more respected from now on... and if not... she will let the next fool know too. I LOVE U HILLARY...U SHOULD BE OUR PRESIDENT, WE'D HAVE ALOT BETTER POLICIES AND LAW PASSED, AND PISSED OF REPUBS. UNLIKE NOBAMA'S REPUBLICAN LOVIN BUTT...SEND HIM TO AFRICA!!!!!
Cymatic -- You should read the wording of the question. It is highly defferential, almost poetic. Either the translator or the student asking the question said Mr. "Clinton" instead of "Obama". Either way Hillary's answer was not the message of the U.S. government. It was a showy, pugnacious personal reaction, unbecoming from a Secretary of State.
The photo says it all. That is the real Hillary Clinton, an insecure, unsophiscated, vicious self-service self absorbed woman who lack the dignity to sit in the office of SOS.
All that just from one photo? What picture are you looking at? I see nothing of the sort; she has a right to be annoyed. You couldn't get a better, more professional secretary of state; and she would have made a fabulous president if given the opportunity. It is people who are insecure with women in power who prevented that from happening; and you come off as one of them
shorter xinicat " I have a terrible case of dittoheaditis and "tlps".
Its a non-story.
The interpreter screwed up the question.
She was impatient.
She barely barked at the guy.
She looked exhausted.
Big deal.
Shes doing a great job at State.
This "event" does not rise to the level of public discourse it has attained unless TDB has simply become a ratings seeking sensationalism driven tabloid (see Glenn Beck). I pray this is not the case. The translation miscue is irrelevant, the reaction was simply not that significant, unless you want it to be.
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I disagree. Having a powerful politician caught in an embarrassing moment of snarkiness is definitely as newsworthy as those events being hyped in the media claiming that individual Americans protesting the actions of their government are to be labeled "terrorists" and Nazis by those in power like Pelosi and in the looney-tune media like Keith Olbermann.
The reaction by Hillary Clinton was a spontaneous reaction to a question from a younger African female - and the immediate reaction by Clinton to the question reveals plenty about HER.
Agreed. Non-story.
What is striking though are the creative contortions Tina exhibits in order to turn it into yet another scribe on the Clinton marriage.....That dog is getting a little long in the tooth, even for Tina.
Hillary's actions and temperment are essential to her role as our representative oversees.
An outburst such as this is probative on how well she can do her job.
The Arkansas "cracker" outburst are hallmark Hillary Clinton. She lacks the dignity, judgement and temperment to represent the U S as SOS.
I think folks are missing that not only did she look exhausted, she looked bored. Tune in to reality, folks. Some meetings are boring. People ask dumb questions. Even for a Secretary of State, the stakes in a meeting with bores asking questions are average at best. It seems to me she was in a mental nap at a mind-numbing meeting, and she suddenly heard a question about what a person with no authority, who happens to be male, thought about an issue involving foreign affairs. I should think she snapped to, realized she was enduring a low point in the history of discourse to no good end, and got a little outraged. It's what virtually any normal human being would do.
Nice job well done!
She works very hard, basically lets sniping slide off her back (she has had more than her fair share of low blow kicks from the right) and keeps a pretty good sense of humor about herself. So what if she quipped back on a stupid question. Get over it people and let her focus on her job.
Hillary didn't lash out. That's hyperbole. She responded strongly to a question that had been mistranslated. Her response was perfectly appropriate.
People who think this is *lashing out* need to get out of the house more.
"perfectly appropriate"
Now that's hyperbole
Do not blame her for being a little p....d off.
The Oval office should have been hers.
I give her credit (to a degree) for sticking it out with Bill this long. After decades of Bill's affairs and being publicly humiliated when the open secret came out in the Lewinsky affair, she has still stayed with that cad. Then she was beaten badly in the Democratic primary by a very liberal junior senator with very little experience and questionable associates (Tony Rezko, William Ayers, Rev. Wright, et al.). Last week, Bill upstaged her by gaining the release of 2 journalists held captive by the Communist North Koreans. That should not come as a surprise though. Kim Jong Il ows Bill plenty. Adter all, Bill gave him the hardware and resources to make nuclear reactors (Jimmy Carter brokered the deal). Kim started making nuke missiles as soon as he could and ha sbeen lobbing missiles every now and then into the Pacific. But back to Hillary (you thought I forgot), she lost it when a question posed to her was lost in translation. I am starting to feel sorry for her.
Ozone69, while Hillary may well deserve credit for "standing by her man", I think it's obvious that they are a pair that deserve each other. Bill Clinton may have delivered nuclear capability to Kim Jong Il and that destabilizes a good portion of the world and millions of lives. But Then Hillary wrote her post graduate dissertation on her idol , Saul Alinsky. The toll from her misguided mentality in her home and native land has yet to be computed.
How do you credit someone who knew before she ever married him that he would never keep it in his pants. He was a nightmare in Arkansas with one scandal following the next. Hillary has spent most of her adult life enabling, covering up and cleaning up after Bill.
First of all, the student was misinterpreted by the translator. Why do you call it unintentional - it was a mistake by the translator.
And you know what? I would be mad too if the MEDIA was constantly making up fantasies that I was some victim held hostage by Obama and that my husband was sabotaging my career by trying to upstage me. The stuff you guys print is just beyond sexist and ridiculous. You always portray Hillary as some helpless sheep when she is far from it.
She lost and the media needs to move on and let her be Secretary of State. I wasn't a fan of hers during the primaries but I can honestly tell and see that the media is being a bunch of dicks.
I agree with you.
My teen daughter and I watched the video. "Wow! I wouldn't want to have her mad at me!"
I thought she looked great, flat hair and all.
I would be mad too if the MEDIA was constantly making up fantasies that I was some victim held hostage by Obama and that my husband was sabotaging my career by trying to upstage me.
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AGREED. That is probably the biggest source of anger-if any. She simply wants to stay in the background doing her job until she accomplishes something. But the press has long ago written the script for Hillary Clinton as a VICTIM. Things that she does or says that would be overlooked if done or said by ANY other woman automatically gets placed in the VICTIM category.
She will ALWAYS be WRITTEN as a VICTIM of MEN, that is their narrative and they are sticking to it!
This is of course all pyscho talk with ZERO evidence. Last time I checked Hillary Clinton has a mouth and can speak for herself. How hard is it for Tina Brown to CALL her and actually INTERVIEW her instead of making things up?
That's "Shrillary" Clinton for you.
No wonder Slick Willy "strayed."
Bill & Hill. Like two love birds.
As sincere as Al & Tipper's nauseating tongue swap,
or the Lisa Marie & Michael "kiss."
She is our country's Secretary of State for better or worse. Let Hillary be Hillary.
The country cannot afford for Hillary to be Hillary. Her non-professional behavior reflects on the whole nation and puts us all at risk.
xlntcat -
What do you mean by 'country cannot afford'? It is like a cup statement, that sounds good while actually meaning exactly nothing. A perfect person, such as yourself, has probably never said a wrong word, eh?
This tiny grain of sand in the graveyard of misguided and fuddled statements, responses, actions or otherwise from our politicians and others should be swept away like yesterday's dust.
Wow, sophia, you're a nasty bit of work.
-connie
Just having a little fun, not too serious.
That Al & Tipper kiss was nasty.
Actually admire Hillary, wishing she would
have declined the Secretary of State job so she
could shoot for a 2012 rematch.
Obama's appointment was genius, disarming her for the time being.
Actually admire Hillary, wishing she would
have declined the Secretary of State job so she
could shoot for a 2012 rematch.
Obama's appointment was genius, disarming her for the time being.
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So she's brilliant but too STUPID to realize that Obama was "disarming her" by offering her the post of SOS?
People, try to PRETEND to make sense!
crymeariver
Obama's appointment of Hillary was
discussed by political pundits as a way of
disarming an opposing point of view.
Now she works FOR Obama.
It's not about "PRETENDING" to make sense.
Political chess matches are played all the time.
This really was a fun read, well-balanced and all. In fact, it has increased my sympathy for Hillary. It had bothered me that she was such a poor singer, and sometimes so caustic. But, can you imagine the kind of life she must lead?
Married to Bill, and the rest of the time spent being a politician, doesn't leave much time to simply live. Good article Tina Brown.
Excuse me Tina Brown: "Hillary Clinton has no time on her trip to use the Gym." Give me a break! Hillary would not know what a gym looks like if she were personally escorted into one. How can you make a statement like that?. Does Hillary appear to you as if she she EVER goes to a gym?
Am I the only person stunned that the United States does not take its own translators on trips to non-English speaking countries? Translators can start wars with their mistakes, stupidity, and intentional mistranslations. Remember Jimmy Carter and the Polish?
That is a very good point. And Hillary on her "bi*ch days could start wars without any help from a translator.
Poor pathetic Hillary...it must have been the Nigerian sniper fire that got her upset...can't cut it at State so Maobama has to appoint special envoys to handle all the difficult situations....What pathetic losers they both are !!!
Leave the personal attacks somewhere else. She had long trip, a bad translation and like any human snapped when she shouldn't have. Let it go...
Why not she and Bill built their careers on the personal attack...
I think her righteous indignation was appropriate and I am not a Hillary fan.
The SOS should at all time in public know how to remain diplomatic. If Hillary can't stand up to the pressures of the job she should quit for the good of the country.
And does that make it right? or any better? No, my friend it doesn't. Don't let politicians drag you into the gutter with them. Keep the high ground and fight the good fight...
It's interesting when there's the rare moment that Hillary doesn't appear to be superhuman. An interesting outburst full of all sorts of emotional implication and a bad hair day so flat that she should consider some of Madeline Albright's hats.
It doesn't matter if the question was goofed up, it matters how Hillary responded which was more than a bit ticked off. She is obviously sick of being second fiddle to Bill. It is sort of like being referred to as "somebody's wife" which personally I always resented myself. So I totally understand her annoyance.
Being Sec of State with this administration is a step down however because there are so many doing that job now compared to any other time in our history. Sadly she is getting a lot of the small issues with the BOYS getting the tougher assignments. I also agree with many that she was intentionally given this job to get her out of Washington which is certainly has done. On the flip side she is getting a good education, but even if she could use that education to further her career she is running out of time. Her big moment has passed. No matter how good or bad Obama does the dems won't be replacing him with Hillary and so I hope she is enjoying the job they gave her.
She puts up her manipulative, phony front too much of the time.
This was one of her genuine moments.
Exactly, that is the Real Hillary! A self-serving wanna be diva, who while campaigning for the Senate looked out the window of the limo and saw people dressed in blue jeans and threw a temper tantrum screaming "These people don't have any money. What are we doing here." That is the real Hillary Clinton.
jrjenki is correct: where was the US translator? Fired because he/she was gay?
Hillary is a neocon, and gets no sympathy from me, a totally disillusioned American; proves a point, stop watching cable TV newscasts.
Nice card game metaphor! Variation: Hilary got euchred. Her trump suite queen of clubs taken by the left bower.
That's a good one, mkrose. Let's hope she doesn't have a queen of diamonds outfit to mesmerize some poor bloke into assisting her advance her presidential ambitions.
A spot-on sympathetic portrait of a great woman who, to this day, still must function in her husband's shadow. Damn, that's unfair. Hillary wins new respect every day from this old curmudgeon.
So what if he hair looks floppy, her pantsuit needs pressing and oh, hell, maybe she's gained a few pounds. She's earned every bit of that and her pissed-off look following that ill-translated question.
Tina, funny article. I picture Bill as a big pouncy type Garfield.
I do feel there's too much sexism in the media though. It gets tiring after awhile. Sure in hindsight she could have been more diplomatic, but I was rather proud of her response. She spoke up for many women. Just seeing many sexist type posts on other boards, it proves we still have a long way ahead of us to be on equal footing with men.
Well said.
Damn, Sparks, the Garfield imagery may be cute, but inaccurate, methinks. Monica Lewinsky may have had the same thoughts as you at one time. But would her thoughts have changed over time? After all, the POTUS using her to deliver his pizza and to be a human receptacle to moisten his cigars presents a pretty disgusting image of a man today, even if he's a darling of some in the left wing media.
The double standard still exists even now that we're had three women in the extremely important role of Secretary of State. Everytime I hear someone in the luxury of an air conditioned studio with hair, make-up and wardrobe staff at the ready critize Mrs. Clinton I want to slap them until their heads rolls.
Haven't we gotten beyond all the surface nonsense. Apparantly, not. Yes, I've noticed that her hair isn't up to campaign standards and that her pantsuits don't always do her justice, but she working day and night on our behalf in some of the most dangerous parts of the world and the issue the media is most concerned about is what her husband is up to.
It's pathetic.
While I'm pleased that former Pres. Clinto was able to secure the release of Ms. Ling and Ms. Lee, it just goes to show once again how little our national media understands the real issues of 21st century.
Dear Mix,
Thanks for your comment. The double standard unfortunately is alive and well.
Our national media is a disappearing disgrace.
Not to mention watching the death of the GOP as it drifts into the world of loonies..
Again, Hillary let her emotions get the best of her... No wonder Bill was sent to N. Korea, she could not handle the job. The only reason she has stuck with Bill this long was for the opportunity to become president. I am not saying that she is not qualified... but let's turn the clock back 17 years, before Bubba was president. Did anyone know who she was?
At least her response was genuine and not faked in order to keep her name out there as some other political media whore would have done. She is human and was clearly tired and just a little testy after a long flight. She also is not a quitter when the job gets tough unlike some recent politicians.
1. Bill was sent to N. Korea b/c Kim specifically demanded his presence.
No ex-President, no hostage release.
2. Really? You have inside information on their marriage? Somehow I doubt they confide their most intimate secrets to you.
3. Prior to Bill Clinton's presidency, Hillary was a staff lawyer on the committee to impeach Nixon. What was your early career path and did it involve name tags and deep fryers?
Oh yes, everyone knew and hated Hillary beginning in Arkansas and extending across the nation. Hillary installed herself in an office down the hall from Bill's supposedly to keep an eye on him. Apparently, she dozed off. Hillary did far more governing in Arkansas than Bill did. He was too busy with his zipper.
Actually yes. HRC wrote into law protection for children's rights and was important in the Children's Defense League. She gave a highly regarded valedictorian speech at Wellsley that addressed women's need to excell and seek achievement. There were many issues HRC was involved with that stressed women's rights and children's rights. She was a well known fighter for women and children in this area.
Your take on why Bill C went to Korea is obtuse. SAS must have position of critical freedom relating to Korea. Bill does not, and Bill is known and liked in Korea. Get it?
Hey, Tina Brown: quit trying to be a psychoanalyst in misogynist's clothing. That's right, you heard me. If you truly respect Hillary, you'd be going straight to the bottom line here, which is this: nobody but obvious antagonizers and trouble-makers are going to ask her what Bill thinks anymore. She took care of that by sending a stern clear message. End of story. Tina, it's you who sounds like a combination of Andrea Mitchell and Sally Quinn. And I don't mean that in a good way.
Tina Brown, in her book about Princes Di, compares Hillary to a balloon in the thanksgiving day parade because of her big head and her nodding, she is no fan of Hillary Clinton. I am not a fan of Hillary because of her lack of accomplishments as a senator esp. in western NY but she surely had a right to be pissed over this incident and I do love her unscripted moments as they make her real.
Agreed. I was SHOCKED when Andrea Mitchell said that Hillary was having a "bad hair day". In fact the ONLY members of the press to bring up the hair and clothes have been WOMEN. Their male counter-parts stayed completely silent.
I was REALLY surprised at Andrea Mitchell, because she repeated it on EACH MSNBC/NBC program that interviewed her that day.
And now Tina Brown has sealed the deal by once again painting Hillary Clinton as a poor down and out VICTIM of the MEN in her life.
A hyterical, bi*chy reaction is not a stern message.
Oh stop with the crocodile tears, Tina! Your sympathy for Hillary is too little, too late.
During the campaign last year, you completely stabbed her in the back (if not ALL women) so that you could finger yourself over pictures of your beloved Barack.
She should have been our POTUS. She would have not been in the mess that the junior Senator/community organizer/teleprompter junkie finds himself currently in.
You made your bed. Sleep in it. But spare us all of this shock over how hard and tough Hillary has it now.
Watch "Casablanca" again. Your the police inspector shocked over the gambling going on in the casino.......
Since you seem to know her so well what would Hillary Clinton have done differently than Obama. How would she have saved the country, with her womanhood. People like you are so freaking SEXIST and anti-men that you don't even realize how sad you are.
"And not only that, but (and I say this in solidarity, not belittlement) the African humidity had wreaked havoc on her hair. It had gone all flat and straight, which puts any woman in a bad humor. "
Good God. This administration turns more and more into a tragic joke with each passing day.
I totally agree with Piktor (below) about HRC's deep-seated insecurity, for which she can thank her father. Carl Bernstein's HRC bio is a must read. We forget that Hillary flunked the bar exam in either New York or Washington, when she was just out of law school. And she told no one. It was after this personal humiliation that she then went with Plan B, moving to Arkansas to be with Bill. If she had passed that 1st bar exam, I am convinced her life would have taken a completely different trajectory.
Piktor writes -- "Hillary has a deep-seated insecurity similar to Richard Nixon's. Say the magic words and she will fall into that patchless hole of personal strife and unresolved obsessions. It is fun when it happens and makes her look human, no matter how super-human her achievements are."
mdargo -- I also think Hillary had a traumatizing father. I have not read the Bernstein bio but Hill's father sounds like a chronic bully, frustrated that his first born was female. I did not know about her failed bar exams. How could such a whip smart student fail two bar exams is a mystery in itself. It also explains a lot about her relationship with Bubba.
I don't think she failed 2 bar exams, but she did fail one. I just don't remember which bar exam she took at the time. Probably D.C., since she was then working in D.C. on that Nixon Watergate committee. I may be projecting New York because of her more recent political career. I know she failed 1 bar exam. It was probably D.C. HRC first wrote about it, sort of, in one throw-away line in her book "Living History." Bernstein then fully reported it in his book "A Woman in Charge." Given HRC's father, HRC's accomplishments at the time (picture in Life magazine, Wellesley speech, student activities at Yale, and so on)one can see why she told no one at the time, because she had Bill to fall back on and could trade on that stand-by-your-man story all of these decades. HRC has always had a loose relationship with the truth.
If she hadn't married WJC, she might be President today. His race bating speeches during the primaries, which turned a lot of people off to her, was just one of the ways he's sabatoged her all along. George Patton
If she hadn't married WJC, she wouldn't have been senator and now SOS. She uses HIS name and resume when it HELPS her. She has to deal with the downside of that bargain.
Gee Patton,
Calling WJC a racist is really stupid. He may have done her campaign some harm and should have held back, but racist???? Never.
Really Tina...you want people to ask you what 'your' husband thinks about running a magazine? You want to send a message that it's not 'you' who has the smarts, the drive to do what you do it's your husband pulling the strings attached to your back. Really Tina...do you have documents delivered to your husband so he can advise you on what you should think or what you should do (like Sarah Palin)? The answer that the Secretary of State gave was appropriate and it means nobody will ask her another really stupid question.
Bravo morgana! My thoughts exactly.
It really is sad when women in positions of power seem to feel they have to act like their male counterparts and pretend they can't relate to what other women in positions of power feel when condescended to.
Actually, considering that Tina Brown is married to Harold Evans, I'd say the answer to those questions could very well be yes:
Sir Harold Matthew Evans (born 28 June 1928) is a British-born journalist and writer who was editor of The Sunday Times from 1967 to 1981. He has written various books on history and journalism. Since 2001, Evans has served as editor-at-large of The Week Magazine and since 2005, he has been a contributor to The Guardian and BBC Radio 4.
The SOS made a fool of herself and embarrassed the nation. It isn't the first time and it won't be the last. Hillary is unfit for the job.
even shorter xinicat " I am a republican"
Embarrased the Nation? What world of Neoconnia are you living in?
You sound like a pompous GOP'er complete with all the misanthropic gall.
morgana,
Bravo.
Thank you.
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