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Daily Show Co-Creator on Comedy's Gender Gap

Rachel Sklar sits down with Daily Show co-creator Lizz Winstead and asks a tough question: Why aren’t there more women writers in comedy?

On this episode of The Daily Beast's video series Have a Drink With..., Rachel Sklar sits down with Daily Show co-creator Lizz Winstead. The topic: the dearth of women working behind the scenes on shows like The Colbert Report and The Daily Show.

Winstead says that when she was originally staffing The Daily Show, only three of the 150 writer submissions were from women, and none of those three women had the chops to write for the show.

But Winstead counters Christopher Hitchens’ provocative claim that women aren’t funny. “I’m funny, so he’s wrong. By being funny, his whole theory is disproved.”

Rachel Sklar is the editor at large for Mediaite.com and a contributor to The Daily Beast. She was formerly a senior writer and editor at the Huffington Post and is working on Jew-ish, a humorous book about cultural identity. She recently launched online micro-giving site Charitini, and Twitters up a storm here.


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August 18, 2009 | 11:01pm
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anylaurie

I loved this interview but come on- why is the homepage headline for this link "Are Women Funny?" This interview is so much more than that and the question is tired and hacky. Thankfully, a much more interesting question tops this page, "Why aren't there more women writers in comedy?"

More Lizz please!

Thank you, carry on.
Laurie Kilmartin

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1:30 am, Aug 19, 2009
Cymatic

I wonder why that is? Is there a similar ratio across cultures. Surely it would be easy to test, at least in written comedy. You could submit comedy pieces to both male and female audiences from both male and female comedy authors and find which percentage are considered funny by both audiences. This way you could remove the differences in what both audiences find funny.

If it is across different cultures, then there could be biological reasons. Could comedy be a way for males to show off, like peacocks, strutting their stuff? A way for non-alpha males, to show to prospective females that they are smart and savvy? If it isn't cross cultural, then that idea goes out the window. If it is, then there surely is a reason that goes beyond our cultural upbringing.

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7:26 am, Aug 19, 2009
Allan264

The real question should be, as usual in these situations, why are there so many more male rather than female comedy writers. And the answer, also typically, is because there were stronger sociobiological advantages for men to have the traits that make for good comedy than for women to have them. What those advantages might be are not clear, but I bet they had to do with the fact that men can more readily be violent (for excellent sociobiological reasons, of course) and aggressive than women. Laughter is the rational response/or limit/or assessment of that violence. Keep this in mind -- in comedy, there is always some who is the goat, who suffers the violence or gets hit with the pie. Men are better able to see these situations and manipulate them in their minds as the basis for comedy for this because we are built, sociobiologically, to be able to specialize in violence and aggression. It is a testimony to our heightened faculties that we, males and females alike, are able, through our rationality, to express and experience this violence and aggression as "humor".

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8:02 am, Aug 19, 2009
deegeezee

your theory is completely wack. according to you, "funny" genes wouldn't be passed on to female offspring. or, alternatively, are only expressed when bathed in testosterone. maybe you and your quack evo-psych friends should explore whether a 'roid injection would increase the success of female comics.

the real problem is men, and their complete unwillingness to admit they like anything female, out of a ridiculous, self-conscious machismo. note how few men you'll see at any female band's shows. does that mean women can't sing?

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9:34 am, Aug 19, 2009
Allan264

My goodness deegeezee, I've read your comment three times and I still can't make any sense of it. It must be you don't know what sociobiology is all about. I suggest googling E.O.Wilson or Desmond Morris and reading what comes up. Then when you have a calm moment, try again. And please keep this in mind: Eunice Kennedy Shriver proved there's hope for folks like you.

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10:04 am, Aug 19, 2009
Cymatic

While I don't really agree with Allan264's argument as it was framed, your rebuttal doesn't take into account much of the findings of evolutionary science as it relates to human behavior over the last 30 years. I would suggest a read of "The Moral Animal" which outlines a lot of the basic mechanisms for how behavioral tendencies can be passed down. It's a lot more complex than a "testosterone bath", otherwise studies wouldn't show women adapt to learning languages faster overall for example. It's a great book and is a starting place for discussion of these issues because they really are too complex to explain in a few sentences.

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1:09 pm, Aug 19, 2009
Wayfarin

christ deegeezee, do you really think men are sitting around suppressing uproarious laughter so they don't seem EFFEMINATE around their male friends?

the real problem isn't men. the real problem is people like you perverting what was once a worthy social cause into childish, uninformed misandry. if you honestly think that men avoid female singers or don't find Kristen wigg funny, you need to get out more and meet actual men.

and while you're out there, you might want to take a look at your fellow countrymen and women gorging on deep-fried everything before trying to argue that our evolutionary history has no effect on our behavior.

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2:50 am, Aug 20, 2009
pj-smith

First, Liz keeps SAYING she is funny...that does not MAKE her funny. Second, both women in the tape, have that ANNOYING whine that women seem to imitate from each other that make people want to throw their hands up over their ears. And there is also a tendency for both Liz and Rachel to end every sentence like it's a question. (?)

I myself, have a sultry delivery, and don't sound like a schoolgirl. Try it ladies.

Though like it or not, there is a cultural resistance to female humorists.

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8:56 am, Aug 19, 2009
Cymatic

I have to agree with you there. I was just watching "Last Comic Standing" and was impressed by some of the female standup comics. I think there was a tendency in the past for female comics to focus too much on jokes about gender issues, while a lot of younger female comics will joke about anything.

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1:01 pm, Aug 19, 2009
pantzini

Comedians talk about their experience. Given that 90% of male comedians do the same thing, that is complain about their partners, job, dates, etc., of course comediennes tend to get their material from gender issues. Big deal.
I don't think the male domination in comedy is a different thing than the rest of the world. There are hilarious and smart female comedians... they're just not enough yet.

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1:26 pm, Aug 19, 2009
Cymatic

Most comics do spend some time talking about relationships with the opposite sex, but any one topic gets stale after a while. Chris Rock talks about being black a lot, but he also spends a lot of time talking about everything from politics to crime. But if every other comic was black and spent all their time talking about that, it would get tiring. Chapelle, George Carlin, Bill Hicks, you never knew what these guys would joke about next.

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4:12 pm, Aug 19, 2009
jpkirby3

I think men are usually more angry than women, which leads to better comedy.

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11:13 am, Aug 19, 2009
penscott

"By being funny, his whole theory is disproved."

Her grammar is certainly funny, as shown by this dangling participle.

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11:58 am, Aug 19, 2009
Genni2002

Tina Fey is funny...Roseanne was funny...Carol Burnett (sp? make that sp? for all these names!) was funny...Lucille Ball was funny on the show...May West was funny...Madeleine Kahn - funny, Joy Behar can be very funny, Abs. Fab ladies (in U.K.) are all funny, Carol Leifer is hilarious esp. Seinfeld days, Lily Tomlin, blah blah..

this Chris must have a very high threshold for laughter and fun if he can't find a funny woman or maybe all the ladies get depressed around him?

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1:57 pm, Aug 19, 2009
magicmary

Thanks for the list! I know there's more out there - Margaret Dumond - you have to be brilliantly funny to be a straight woman. Wanda Sykes, That new woman on the Daily Show who isn't on near enough and I'm sorry I don't know her name is freaking hilarious. Sarah Vowel for pure humorist. Julia Lewis Dreyfuss. Gilda, Jane, and alot of women who were on SNL. And to top it off, I just don't include people in my close circle of friends unless they are funny and that is a wide circle! Oh, oh... one of my favorites - Betty White!!! I've been borrowing her schtick since the Mary Tyler Moore show! Another funny woman!

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2:26 pm, Aug 20, 2009
Genni2002

You are very welcome. Also thought of Drew Barrymore, Gracie Allen w/ Jack Benny was a stitch! Robin Quivers, Stern's sidekick can be very dry and funny, Joan Rivers in her Tonight show host days..

Aaaahhh, the list is endless:)!

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1:55 am, Aug 21, 2009
amantell

I'm guessing the simplest answer for why there aren't more women comedy writers is: Women don't want to be comedy writers. The numbers Winstead cites are a case in point. Same as in some other professions that are dominated by men, not because of some innate superiority among males, but because women are less likely to pursue those careers, for whatever reason.
As a counterpoint to Hitchens' rather pompous argument, I'd like to suggest that women in general may be more practical than men. They refrain from pursuing comedy because it is the most absolutely brutal kind of show business a person can pursue short of being the guy at the circus who sticks his head in the lion's mouth.

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2:40 pm, Aug 19, 2009
Hooper

I think it only goes to show that Christopher Hitchens has no sense of humor.
hooper

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9:24 pm, Aug 19, 2009
weakyknee

To Christopher Hitchens:
"Aw, you sound tense and angry. Sounds like somebody needs to get laid..."

To everyone else in the world:
This whole discussion has been carrying on for far far too long and I'm bored. If you think that women are not funny, you live in an insular, bleak and friendless world. If you think that all men are unwilling to give a talented woman her due, you probably live in a similar place.

Now let's get on with it, shall we?

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9:19 am, Aug 20, 2009
nickjacket

Or: Why Aren't There More Women Writers in the Political Satire Business ?
Rachel, you want to talk shop or not? And how many mini-scotch drinks does it take to see the answer?

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6:58 pm, Aug 20, 2009
karmical

What's funny is Lizz is decidely not funny during this entire interview. Instead, Winstead comes off as bitter/jaded.

This from a huge Daily Show/Colbert Fan...

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12:39 am, Aug 21, 2009
Genni2002

Yes, karmical, she was serious about a topic. So? Still, the point is valid. Oh, and by the way, there are plenty of men out there that are just not funny. Like Adam Sandler on SNL or Chris Farley (bless him), for example. Dressing up as a woman, playing a guitar and singing in a strange voice or screaming and jumping around w/ poor delivery and timing... not funny; not clever; not even close!

BTW, your name is clever.

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1:49 am, Aug 21, 2009
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