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As the first family departs for Martha’s Vineyard, Patricia Williams says the trip illuminates their delicate relationship with the black upper class—a clubby world of debutantes and BMWs.
When President Barack Obama appointed Valerie Jarrett as his senior advisor and Desiree Rogers as White House social secretary, there was, among the mainstream media, a bit of muffled gasping about from where on earth such designer-clad doyennes might have emerged. In what hidden universe do black people exist who can actually distinguish a fish knife from a shoe horn? And are there more of them?
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The phenomenon of a black upper class has always been complicated, ambivalent. Often the descendents of “house slaves,” some significant percentage grew up imitating the manners, mores, and various condescensions of white plantation society—including setting up private clubs and exclusionary networks. More recently, the ranks of the black upper middle class have been increased with beneficiaries of the civil rights movement–with people such as Barack and Michelle Obama, who represent a generation able to take advantage of increased access to jobs and schools once off limits. This new mobility has not altogether erased some of the clubbishness and snob appeal of older black organizations, however. There are still fault lines and hidden hierarchies within black social life.
For those whose only exposure to upper class African American social organizations may be the black student organization on one’s college or grad school campus, well, brace yourselves: there’s a world of black debutantes out there, and they mean to do serious, social-climbing business, the wheels of their black BMWs and silver Mercedes Benzes sinking up to their plantinum hubcaps in the soft white sand of the beaches on Martha’s Vineyard, the North Fork of Long Island, and the islands off the coast of South Carolina.
Colson Whitehead’s novel, Sag Harbor, reveals a glimpse of this Cosby-inflected world of strivers, arrivistes and “black boys with summer houses.” These relatively well-off African Americans come largely from the ranks of what the novel’s narrator describes as “the magic seven”: doctors, dentists, lawyers, preachers, teachers, nurses, and undertakers. This is the world that those African Americans not part of such networks sometimes refer to, with a dismissive sad sigh, as “boogie, ” which is a class reference seemingly unknown to most white people. The New York Times, writing about Whitehead, spelled the word, with utter, and utterly cringe-worthy, uninitiated innocence: “bourgie.”
So, a little background for those terrified that the ship of state is about to be steered toward the shoals of Rush Limbaugh’s wildest fears: it may come as a surprise that the black middle class is just that, middle class. It is conformist, pleasantly centrist, relatively conservatively Christian, overweeningly upwardly mobile and generally better (if more anxiously) dressed than its white counterparts.
The media often speaks of “the black middle class” as though it were a solid singularity that includes any dark-skinned person with a job or an education—from bicycle messengers to Oprah Winfrey. Likewise, any black person without a permanent 9-5 job is tossed into “the underclass.” This is in stark contrast to the way “middle class” is applied to white citizens, where it connotes a specific income level lodged above the “temporarily unemployed” and the working class and just beneath the upper-middle class, with the wealthy and the super-rich above that. In other words, popular depictions frequently suppress the political presence of a large black working class, as well as a black upper-middle class, to say nothing of those wealthy African Americans who are bankers or industrialists or computer geeks rather than just movie stars or sports figures.
Hard as it might be to imagine if your head is filled with the Hollywood haze of Gone With the Wind, whatever Miss Scarlett yearned for, so did succeeding generations of her ex-slaves—who in real life were as resolute and deeply ambitious as she was. And so, after the Civil War, African Americans arranged themselves into all manner of self-help groups patterned upon the gilded hierarchies of Tara. Most Americans are at least aware of the role of the black church in this effort at uplift, as well as of the NAACP, of the Tuskegee Institute, and of the Urban League. Thanks to Spike Lee’s movie, School Daze, perhaps a few more are even aware of the contribution of historically black colleges—as well as the function of segregated Greek fraternities and sororities—in coalescing fairly conservative, life-long networking circles.
As with white fraternities, hazing rituals can be snobbish, or bullying. And as with white country clubs, exclusivity can have its ugly edge: some black social groups have the reputation of discriminating based on “connections” of ancestry or education or income, or, in the not-so-recent past, skin color (must be “lighter than a brown paper bag”) and texture of hair (a comb would have to move flowingly through smooth and therefore presumptively not-kinky hair). As for those debutante cotillions…well, what can I say?










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LOL
I LOVE HOW SOMEONE KEEPS BRINGING THIS POST TO THE TOP. OBSESSIVE/COMPULSIVE MANIA MEANS I GOT TO THEM. HAH HAH
My views on Obozo have been obvious but I'll tell ya I sure admire Valerie Jarrett -- pretty sure I can't stand her politics but I admire the woman.
nickatabeach:
Whatever-- Dumpocraps, every one.
Bull, it's obvious what part of the moose you come from...it rhymes with "glass". I lied, it doesn't rhyme so much as it's the last 3 letters. Racism, class systems and ignorance of all types should be pointed out, flushed out, corrected and/or eradicated, IMHO. With each passing day, comments like yours encourage me to exercise my right to own a lot of guns. Republicans shouldn't be the only armed and outraged portion of the electorate.
You mean all the evils you stated are a LTD. stock, solely the ownership of the democrats stealing from others to pay for their emotional needs,
Obamacare is gone, thinks to the depletion by Bluedogs, frail Senators, the loss of Kennedy, and Lieberman already said forgit it.
You see , removing the first post refering to Ms. Williams article, satire in support of her content, then stolen the next day,(proven by the date and time of my satire expalnation when everyone went bonkers) by Max Blumenthal,showcasing the Hitler mustache put on Obama's picture.
This turned out to be an epihany, when elite limousine liberals foam at the mouth and do not understand satire with no cuss words, of which i have seen used by many posters who are not removed, i said no more Democrats for me. They are as racist and ignorant as those they attack.
Classy post from one who imagines himself the final and only word in how to read the words in red. In other words, no scholar, but a lot of self-satisfied opinions.
It is obvious this place must b the Huff and i mean Huffing Post. Did wittle connie get her self righteous ego all teared up?
You people here are as sick as they come. The very point i was making is all the rage today with Max Blumenthal and his Hitler mustached Obama story.
God what a bunch of whiny nerds, no wonder the right wing is stomping you down.
If you are a scholar, then i am the Pope. No wonder Paul said for women to keep SILENT in the church.
It is obvious most posters do not know satire when they see it. I was mocking the racist town hall types who bring posters of Obama with a Hitler mustache, and thinking thenselves better than Obama, simply based on color.
Don't you bloggers have any sense of tumor,opps humor? Or all you all gloom and doom, crying in your beer pessimists?
i find this a bit embarrassing that their is even people who consider folks of different colors any different than any person in the human race. Shame on you that you even write an article that considers "black" people different!!!
Forgot to tell you to look at the date of my explanation of satire,it was a day earlier than Max's BREAKING story of Obama being portrayed as Hitler.
Guess i should say he stole the idea for his story from me.
Wonder how Blumenthal post's his story 1 day after the satire i posted. He must have stolen my jist for his blockbusting headline post.
I figured
A lot of this out
From reading Stephen Carter
But-
It's always interesting
To get another look through
The keyhole.
Thanks.
And Lord in heaven-
Shower your blessings down
On the Reverend Lowry.
Lowry is more racist than Gates -- wow rita, you're a bigger loser than I realized.
nick--grab a six-pack of Coronas, go tadabeach, and chill. You need to mellow out.
nick doesn't need to relax he needs to dig his head from the sand
Amen, rita.
Raspberries to nick.
Ritarita I lived in Atlanta during the child murders, when Wayne Williams was working his evil, and the news was on. The Reverend Lowry made a speech i can quote ver batim.
"I don't know if it's the Klu Klux Klan killing the black children of Atlanta, but i know whoever it is has a Klu Klux Klan mentality". I am sure you can find the archives of any of the 3 stations. WSB, WXIA, WAGA were the main VHF channels at the time circa 1980.
Just show's the good Reverend was stoking the flames of hate, as we all know both parties have their share of pulpit pimps.
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And people believe in flying saucers, and not just the ones flying around the kitchen.
Even in the Old South, in places like South Carolina and Louisiana, there was actually a very small black aristocracy that actually owned large numbers of slaves. (Of course, this wasn't allowed everywhere.) There were large groups of free blacks in the Upper South and New Orleans and other large towns, including some skilled workers who hired their own time. They even had chances to become literate, unlike the majority of black slaves who lived on farms and plantations and did field work.
So there has always been a black class system in America, as long as blacks had any possibility for freedom at all--narrow as these generally were before recent times.
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It's implicitly reversed
Every second of every day
Charleston-
Don't pretend.
No, not really. In your mind perhaps. But not in reality. Racism exists through specific acts, not a continuum, a prolonged extension of one's paranoia.
Would those prolonged extensions lead to a state of conniption?
Actually, civil rights laws protect all races equally. If you have evidence of race-based discrimination in a place of public accommodation, you can sue whether you're white or black or whatever. It is different with private clubs however. They are not places of public accommodation, they don't have to let anyone in they don't want to, regardless of the reason, because they are not covered by the civil rights laws. So no matter your race, you can never sue someone for not admitting you into a private club.
Of course, a little googling could have told you this. I really wish people would do research before spreading misinformation about the tort system and civil rights laws. The facts are out there people, you don't need to vomit your ignorance on everyone else.
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Dover:
Firemen = public accomodation (job). Sotomayer followed the law to a T. The Supremes actually reversed the law, which is the judicial activism people like you get so upset about. If you don't understand that, search YouTube for Sandra Day O'Connor explaining it.
Private club = not public. It's the same as my home. I have the right to not invite or admit anybody I don't want. Get over it and move on to someone who wants to play with you.
@CharlestonDover: I don't believe what, the absolute, black and white, printed on paper truth? Anyone who tells you that whites can't sue for racial discrimination is a liar. Whites suing for discrimination have in fact shaped civil rights laws, in many cases by winning rather than losing. Again, do some research from reliable sources, don't vomit your Faux News ignorance all over everyone. If there's one thing we don't need more of in this country, it's ignorance.
The important thing to note, however, is once again that civil rights laws do not cover ANY private clubs whatsoever. Not white private clubs, not black private clubs, not asian private clubs, none of it. So lawsuits aren't even at issue here.
Who does this connie47 think she is?
This superior than thou, and if you disagree with me you go away, as if she is some chatroom monitor. I have noticed she pulls this with a lot of bloggers whose postings she dislikes, instead of articulating an appropiate retort, she waves them off with a holier than thou smug attitude.
If you don't agree with a poster missy that is your problem, but nobody died and appointed you gate keeper of this blog.
Nor you Bull-
Connie and anyone else
Can post exactly what they choose.
Look at shit for brains Nick
At the top of the page
As an example.
Bull,
My post was simply some facts plus a one line of opinion. You, on the other hand, have attacked me personally on both a personal and religious basis. Your attacks were based on assumptions that were untrue in the first place, so they were just plain nastiness. I don't know why you've singled me out, but I'd appreciate it if you'd stick to the subject and lay off the personal attacks.
Sonia the wise Latina is typical of what is wrong with affirmative action. Get a job based on race alone. No wonder the country is lost to the raging heathen.
CharlestonDover why would you want to be a part of an exclusive all black club any way? Face it the moment the Mayflower docked whites established what the formula of success would be here in America and then denied blacks the rights,opportunity and exposure to those said things. Don't get it twisted yes, blacks fought hard to be a part of white organizations, yes they screamed racism to get in but Not to simply hang under whites but to obtain the keys to a better life. Now, you've had the key ! Your ancestors established it, again why would you ( an all white) want to be a part of an all black anything and then yell reverse racism when denied.If I suggested a telling trait of the superiority complex would you concur
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come, come CharlestonDover, Obama bothers you because he is pro black, Has not his white side been given fair homage already, why or how could he possibly add anymore to his white side? Haven't you enough? The white side has been the only side since the founding of this country, his position to pay strong homage to his black side should be seen as the means by which equailty and the color blindness you claim you want can really come about! until blacks are given their fair chance to heal, grow and simply evolve ( you've got a couple of hundred years on us) how can we black and white truly hope for equailty and color-blindness in this country? Obama is an African and American, so is every other black person in America we are African and American, Mixing has occured every since the slave ships docked, American blacks are all biracial/multicultural people half brothers and half sisters to the white race that bought our people here generations ago and Obama is the essence of who we are as a people(American blacks) and only fitting that he would be the voice, our voice; to respect him, is to respect us, to accept him, is to accept us, to UNDERSTAND him is to understand us!!!! and in time walls could come down, but until..... One could concluded the want to hush anything pro black is a telling trait of the superiority complex would you concur
So let me get this straight: you are feeling discriminated against by the Italian social clubs of New York? The Irish Sons of Hibernia in Boston, the Dutch Knickerbocker Club? Give me a break. Go get your own club if you feel left out, that's how it happens, you feel left behind, you create your own club. Go for it.
Re: your other post; "he doesn't pay enough homage to his white ancestors"? Huh? Have you noticed that is HOW he got elected?
Every day he is the embodiment of a man who was and is, White inside a black body. He was raised by WHITE people, or did you miss that part? Every day he meets a person or hosts an event, or discusses some topic or challenge with a person who is NOT black he is paying homage to the host of whiteness that IS America and it's history of white hegemony across all fields of endevour. Did you miss that part?
Does it disturb you terribly that on occasion there are blacks in certain positions? Does it hurt your feelings that on occasion a black person or a person of color is there to demonstrate the realities of the demographics that exist in American life today?
I heard what you said about other ethnicities in your family tree, but I have to say, I don't beleive it..........if it were true, you would not be so concerned about the few of the few who are now NOT being passed over based on their color or ethnicity any longer, because we have a person who can see their qualifications!!, and not their physical attributes as the defining characteristic of their lives.
Are you concerned that too much color will displace all the poor down trodden white folks? Gee, I didn't know it was so hard for some people to adjust.
"...with people such as Barack and Michelle Obama, who represent a generation able to take advantage of increased access to jobs and schools once off limits."
I would argue that while Mrs. Obama's race and working class background make her a direct beneficiary of the civil rights movement, Mr. Obama's white middle-class upbringing would certainly have facilitated access to higher education for him as a mixed race individual, within or without the United States.
And?
what lucille covertly is saying is that if it had not been for his white relations he would not been as educated.. how STUPID is that? Yet, President Obama did not MARRY a mixed or white female, he married a BLACK woman even darker in complexion than himshelf,, WHY would he? if he was RAISED by a middle class white family, in fact, if you want to look at it as lucille put it, he married DOWN .as related to his upbringing..it is so SAD to think that PPL STILL look at RACE in AMERICA as a reason to make choices..
In many parts of the world being half-white still opens more opportunities to you. For example in South Africa, you would be called "coloured" and have access to better living and education.
And historically, many mixed race children in the U.S. received better treatment or could "pass" for White and end up living a much better live than their pure Black counter-parts. The civil rights movement gave Blacks a more equal footing.
GateKeeper-I think you don't understand what Lucille was trying to say. Re-read.
It is not a dimes worth of difference in Mexico and the rest of Latin america. The whiter you are, the higher the class, politcally,socially, finacially, but being redundant, since they all go together.
Castillian whites were the first to leave Cuba before Castro's thugs took over.
Uh, both Obama's are "mixed race". So are we all posting here. This notion that there are no dark skinned people in the Ivy Leagues is dated. Things have changed thankfully. But the same benefits of the civil rights era are for all Americans--to think and breath as humans and not as objects. It would be refreshing to see a bit of that reflected on this website instead of Ms. William's form of tokenism and class fetichism and the many responses her which goose-step in course.
"Race" is a fiction and the more people use this term, the more you perpetuate it within your own consciousness, quotidian reality and our collectivity. Let's all embrace our "mixed" heritage!
Oops...Lucille, when did it become middle class to live on food stamps? Yes, the President, his sister and mother had to live on food stamps for a period of time. His grandmother was a secretary at a bank and his grandfather often had a difficult time finding employment. Thus you presume...he was just barely middle class on most days. He was on scholarship at his private high school. His grandmother's hard work did over the years get her to the level of vice president at her bank. President Obama's mother's persistence in his early education prepared him to push himself academically.
Ms. Williams,
I can only say that I am shocked that you blindly accept these institutions as somehow necessary for people to enter, rather than postulating the very necessity of Jack and Jill (which still exists), Alpha Kappa Alpha, or the notion that speaking like Powell is necessarily "speaking white". For goodness sake, you had a life before academia and I would hope that even this morning you heard various dialects and dictions in the English language that would not have you, madaam, bifurcating still this world of ours into white and black. Accents and dictions are more a product of class, geography and family than of "race".
I am disappointed both as a human and as a fellow scholar that your idea of addressing the elite is to honor it rather than to question why the Obama's would need to proove to anyone--yourself included--that they know the difference between a fish knife from a bread knife. With the cultural politics of the past forty years our society has moved away from such rigid thinking and it saddens me to see a scholar of your quality to reify the very notions of class that most people--across the color spectrum--rejected long ago.
Here's to drinking beer out of a bottle, Ms. Williams. Cheers!
That's not
What she said.
Yeah, actually it is.
like a ship from the shore you see leaving the harbor, Rita is right. you missed it!
My my disfasia...the chip is deeply embedded and your snark a Patricia Williams was misplaced and poorly aimed. I found the article to read entirely different. On the contrary, I thought she took no sides, simply stated it like it is, sometimes with her tongue planted firmly in her cheek. Other than perhaps the elite, who believes Obama needs to prove himself? Go back and read the article...again.
I tried tonque in cheek satire, and they removed my post.
ope the Republicans win everything back in the next 2 elections, as i am set for life, and could not care less.
Whoever removed my post is the exactly what i heard about blogs, since i just started reading and posting here less than 2 months. These gatekeepers make Edward Murrow turn over in his grave.
Journalism died, and journalism schools are going the way of Liberal Arts majors in college. Not worth the paper the diploma is written on.
Better watch that tonque in cheek around here, Tina Brown and her band of renown will remove your post. She does not have the journalism skills necessary to discern satire tonque in cheek.
God i hope the same thing that happened after Clinton's election, with the Republicans taking control of both Houses of Congress.
Obama is too naive and just Rahm's frontman. Emmanuel is to Obama what Cheney was to Bush.
mcmchugh99 Great point!
I am sorry to inform the writer of the piece on the DB,but President Obama is BIRACIAL I to have been making the mistake of calling him black.But I think I might have offended others who have BIRACIAL parents who call themselves BIRACIAL so to respect those who have BIRACIAL parents and call themselves BIRACIAL.I will make the correction to call President Obama BIRACIAL because that is what he is. I hope others will make the correction also.
Hate to disappoint you, matt, but the history of the United States with regards to race is too complicated to merely label President Obama as "biracial". Historically, when there was evidence of "Black Parentage" or "Black Blood", one was considered Black.
Truth be told, in this country, there are very few "pure" citizens outside of recent immigrants. If you had a "drop of Black blood" you were considered Black; and accepted as such by the Black community. A person with a proverbial drop of "white blood" was NEVER considered white.
I find it curious that when individuals who are excelling in life and have been associated with being Black in the past, now are being classified as something different when their success is evident (President Obama, Tiger Woods, etc.). Let individuals with the exact same genetic background and skin color etc rob a bank, sell drugs, etc, then they are classified as Black. There is no rush to try to say they are "biracial".
Dare I say the majority population has the opinion that if Black folk do something good or excel in any way, it must be because they have "white" blood in them?
Get over it. President Obama is our first BLACK President, period.
Indeed, most Americans are not biracial, but polyracial...to include what many call "white" and "black" Americans. This notion of race is antedeluvian and we need to dispense with such terms. We are people and we need to start to identify more as people, less as pedigrees. 1/4 Irish, 1/4 cocker spaniel... Who really knows? These are fictions based on bad paperwork and family lies. How many allegedly "white" Americans have African, native American, Asian blood in them? The answer is the vast majority. And the same can be said for African Americans having blood from all sorts of backgrounds.
We need to move beyond a race-based society and discuss the issues at hand. More specifically, why are our multi-racial missiles and rockets currently killing innocent Pakistanis.
actually Walt, it's the REVERSE.
When bi-racial people do ANYTHING notable, it's the BLACK population that DEMANDS they reclassify themselves as Black. Tiger Woods, President Obama and many other are DEMANDED to call themselves Black, AFTER the excel. Before that, they are either ignored, called oreos, or told that they are not "Black enough". I have seen this done to biracial friends time and time again.
In fact prior to winning the Iowa primaries, the majority of people backing President Obama were White. Most Blacks didn't consider him "Black enough".
Although the "one-drop" rule was formerly implemented by racist Whites, this is now a practice that has been taken over by Blacks. They now freely implement this ignorant policy.
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WaltB31...and the joke is on black folks!..the racist "one drop law" was created by all those white slave owners, who rather than STOP dropping by the slave quarters raping enslaved women and making babies, they simply found a way to keep those "babies" from ever being able to get "daddy's property". So they gave black folks "the one drop law...one drop of black blood no matter how white you may look and you were black"...then they wrote the law that prevented black folks from owning property...the ole one -two punch...define you as black and then disallow blacks owning property...then they could get back to business of making those bi-racial babies with no downside...
What has astounded me is that black folks so ferociously embrace this racist law...and whack half white /black folks upside the head with it, by screaming you are black, stop pretending you are white.
Sorry, but as President Obama has announced, he decided to "self-identity" as black...and I assume that decision was because in a racist country, there is no way white folks were gonna look at that brown skin and see white . Black folks were gonna be screaming, you're black, why you wanna be white? As the black mother of a bi-racial child, I let her know early that as half her father and half me...she was expected to honor both our heritages and if anybody suggested differently...send them to me. You keep embracing a racist vision of who people are. Are you telling me if a bunch of black people tell me I am black...that is how I am to identify myself? Or if a bunch of white people tell me I am black, that too is who decides who I am? Please... It wasn't when bi-racial folks started excelling in life that things changed..it was when there were enough bi-racial folks that they had a voice and raised the question, why do I have to choose either group? Why can't I embrace both parts of me without excluding one side or the other? So when these high profile bi-racial folks refused to allow other folks to tell them who they are or to identify as one thing or the other, they started getting flak from black folks in particular. We have a bad habit of trying to make folks responsible to the black community before family, self or God...and that does not work for me! The irony is blacks would tar and feather verbally those who are bi-racial and who refused to be categorized...sorta not staying in their place...just as whites did years ago. They're been told again, shut up, you are who we say you are!
I for one I'm glad that both Michelle Obama and President Obama never joined a sorority or fraternity. It's too bad that Valeria Jarret is an ex-sorority girl, it makes me think less of her. I'm sure there are many people of color who are just as sophisticated as she is but were never part of Greek Row or a high-class Black establishment.
Classism is classism, regardless of if it's done by Whites, Blacks or Hispanics. The writer of this piece is filled with it.
I understand the author of the article, primary in the sense of EDUCATING the mass of americans who only look at african americans who are exploited as immoral, uneducated, criminals, any and everything negative as AMERICA loves to exploit african americans.. and idiots like Bullmoose on this thread who make racist comments as such, which is a typical example..WHY such an article needs to be noted..do I agree with every word as noted by the author, no..however, is less of my concern in regard to the article as presented..
There is NOT enough attention GIVEN to the inherent black middle class in AMERICA, UNLESS it's un-avoid-able.. for instance.. when THEN senator obama became a national ICON.. but yet the african american, upper class and middle class and proverty class was FULLY AWARE of who he was before he delivered the keynote addressed at the democratic convention in boston on July 27th 2004.. the mass of white america was UNAWARE of his status potential as an educated lawyer, community activist and politican.
The african american middle class is larger than the exposure, partly in fault becuz the african american middle class don't push the exposure, personally, I know (7) black own and operated computer firms with lucative contracts.
Successful african americans don't get the exposure un-less it's un-avoid-able.. which is when someone ELSE who don't look like or inherently UNDERSTAND the african american middle experience give the exposure... why should someone else be responsible for the exposure? ( african american exes are to cast two MORE cable networks this fall)..its about time african american tell their OWN successful history and not rely on others...however.. unsuccessful african americans are exploited at every opportunity by others...
One thing us Americans don't like is people trying to "educate" us, it's presumptuous and elitist. Why don't you have a DISCUSSION instead, something that would make people less hostile to you.
There have been several popular books on the subject that this article is about including:
Our Kind of People: Inside America's Black Upper Class
and
The Rage of a Privileged Class: Why Do Prosperous Blacks Still Have the Blues?
To name a couple; that doesn't include the hundreds of Newspaper articles and academic publications.
Gatekeeper. You're wrong, most black folks hadn't a clue who Barack Obama was. And they did upon hearing his racial background question whether he was "black" enough. I was so sure that was going to happen I had sent out an email to friends, recounting that Hillary didn't have to worry about Barack Obama, black folks would disassemble him for her. Thankfully that didn't happen, but Oprah was called in to give him her imprimatur of worthiness.
Please allow an old white lady to correct your spelling; don't cringe, it's "bougie" not "boogie". Please see urban dictionary for definition of boogie. Cheers
Guess political correctness is run amok. Now we have to know the age (approximate) and gender of posters. Poor Humphrey Bogart, they went and twisted his nickname. Or knick, or nic, or just forget it.
Did you know kids live near piles of rubbish so they make their daily living?
Apart from the syrupy praise for Obama and his alleged concern for the little people.......and apart from the silly jab at Limbaugh .. "So, a little background for those terrified that the ship of state is about to be steered toward the shoals of Rush Limbaugh's wildest fears,,,,"
Black society is not unknown to anyone who reads or pays attention to the news. Atlanta has a very strong black social structure.
I'd suggest that people read Barbara Hambly's books on New Orleans during the 1800s -- the Benjamin January series -- to get a glimpse of the very rigid self-imposed social structure there, too.
Stephen Carter's "The Emperor of Ocean Park" is a very revealing look at current black upper-crust society. To no one's surprise who sees human nature beneath skin color, it is no less exclusive and snobby than white upper-crust society in most regards.
You don't suppose that people are just people, after all, do you?
Laurs1 - 'You don't suppose that people are just people, after all, do you?"
I think you're right.
I find the blogger's assumption that the reader has no idea what's going on is amusing. Perhaps that's her attitude toward the white majority in general.
But I hate to disappoint her. I have known that this upper class mimicry has been going on in the black community. I have known for some time. I have met these class-conscious twits. They have reminded me of my grandmother's generation, before anyone knew what a social conscience was -- and if they did would think it gauche.
I've chuckled at these people. They hearken back to the pomposities of gilded age PLUS they've got a chip on their shoulders. It's a noxious brew.
so your comment pretains to your grandmother and her generation , Right?..do you feel the same way about the white middle class..or is it a given privilege of them to be twist and have a chip on their shoulder as well? Do tell..
Whatever.
Gatekeeper...Whatever she did or didn't say about the white middle class doesn't make her observation any less true!
AGREED. They are pure snobs and completely annoying, THAT'S why people don't talk about them. Yet the author in HER ignorance assumes that they are a well-kept secret!
crymeariver...Patricia Williams is not now nor has she ever been ignorant. And given the stereotypes that abide in this country because NOT everyone lives in NYC or L.A., she hit the nail on the head. And please...what is more fun than talking about snobs who are completely annoying, do you read society columns?...your reasoning is faulty and your observations odd!
Why are they "twits"? I missed something- because they are "eliteist"? Maybe they don't want to associate with those who they perceive are lacking a certain work ethic, ambition, talent, or perspective. Call it what you want, but in the words of Chris Rock, "everything white people don't like about niggers, black people REALLY don't like about niggers." Shock alert- niggering is a behavior, not a color.
Because it's a uniquely unAmerican trait to believe you are better than others by virtue of birth, background or socioeconomic status. It's a very BRITISH thing to do, but not American. That's why perhaps SOME people call them twits. I just stick to the facts and call them snobs.
They are twits...because there are 300 years of folks who looked like them being lynched and murdered because they were perceived as lacking intelligence, ambition, work ethic, talent or the ability to even conjure up a perspective... Perhaps Chris should have said, "everything white people don't like about niggers, black people MIMICING white folks Really don't like about niggers." Shock alert...Black elitism has never been about the behavior, it's been about a presumed entitlement...
to whom ever addressed me I understood exact what lucille convey CONVERTLY A reason to justify the ONLY reason we have a black middle class, there was black middle class before civil rights so she and others who beleive what she states is uninformed..there are PLENTY of african americans who educated themshelves and civil right had nothing to do with it/ even though civil rights was created and fought for by african americans or as white americans called them negroe as a way to keep them OPPRESSED...as far as the complexion issue, if that were the case as noted by lucille then why are their plenty of white americans uneducated? they certainly had the right complexion based upon lucille's interpetation..
President Obama considered himshelf a african american he has stated so..goggle his speech on race dated march 2008..he makes it CLEAR..however doesn't disown his white DNA.. / most humans are biracial unless proven otherwise.. if you are european> italian and irish..does that make you biracial? As far as the euorpeans are concern hardly not.. in AMERICA we are judge by SIGHT and appearance FIRST..and treated by others by that nature... if it quacks.. and looks like a duck.. it is a duck..
Prior to the Civil-rights movement what percentage of the Black population were middle-class? 1%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%. Of course there was a middle-class of SOME percentage since the days of slavery but not a SIGNIFICANT percentage of the Black population. People weren't going out risking death, lynchings, and police brutality for kicks. The then Black bourgeoisie were an elite few with concentrated power in their communities. Along with the White racist, this elite group of Blacks, were against the civil-rights movement BECAUSE it would open up the middle-class to MORE Blacks. Those they viewed as unworthy due to "poor breeding", lack of social connections, skin tone, or a long list of other prejudices. Those with power very often hate to share it.
Similarly since the beginning of time, there have been women who were highly educated and held positions of power. But prior to the women's movement, they formed a very SMALL percentage of the female population and were most often the wives and daughters of the filthy rich and powerful.
I hope that they have a good time.
I doubt the "red man" cares much about being included in Rev. Lowry's prayer of inclusion. The Red Road is quite different than that of the wasichu, white or black.
Whites and blacks, as Ms. Williams' points out, have the same wasichu nature; Indians on the other hand are not merely a different ethnic group but have an entirely different perception of life. And given the idiocy so prevalent in mainstream America today, one wonders if Indians are the only sane human beings on the continent.
This article illustrates that white and black - and any ethnic group springing from Western (European) civilization, are the same regardless of skin color, i.e. wasichu. Skin color or ethnicity is far less influential than manner and focus of perception (or lack thereof).
So all this hysteria about "rascist" this and "rascist" that is all the more idiotic.
The Lakota also used the metaphor to describe the newcomers. It was Wasi'chu, which means "takes the fat," or "greedy person." Within the modern Indian movement, Wasi'chu has come to mean those corporations and individuals, with their governmental accomplices, which continue to covet Indian lives, land, and resources for private profit.
Wasi'chu does not describe a race; it describes a state of mind.
Wasi'chu is also a human condition based on inhumanity, racism, and exploitation. It is a sickness, a seemingly incurable and contagious disease which begot the ever advancing society of the West. If we do not control it, this disease will surely be the basis for what may be the last of the continuing wars against the Native American people.
America: The greatest country ever stolen.
You hit the definition of fascist, when corporations, backed by a few political elite, along with the cover of religion (see religious right C-street "Family").
That is how Mussolini did it. He and a few cronies, backed by the Ferrari family and other corporate profiteers, and provided muscle by the Brownshirts, and the passive go ahead of the Pope
Where I live
Europeans
Are known as:
The visitors
Who never left
We, meaning mankind come from Africa...regardless of skin color and that means all humans walking and breathing on this earth in 2009.
I have probably listened to Rush Limbaugh..for 10 minutes, total.. and I doubt the author. has listened to him much more than that.....The "safe diss" of hers ..made me wonder how "objective" the rest of her views were.
She's a lawyer, they always safely diss, but I have no doubt she has thoroughly listen to Rubbish Limpbag rant!
"boogie"?? I thought that word was a 70's reference to dancing a la "my, my, my, my, my boogie shoes" and "blame it on the boogie", etc. The author disdains the spelling "bourgie" but as a derivative of "bourgeoise" it seems more appropriate to me. Do we really think it should be spelled "boogie" or would doing otherwise be too, well, bourgeoise? And who's the authority on spelling slang terms, anyway? I vote for me ;-)
I think you are right. Its pronounced "boojie" with a soft g. So bourgie as the derivative of bourgeoise would make more sense.
There was also Southern Boogie, epitomized by Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker, Elvin Bishop,etc,
More important than questioning where President Obama knows which utensil to use at the dining table would be a critique of his ideas and how he came to be associated with those who have influenced his thinking. Sonja Schmidt has done just that in this YouTube video ... of Obama and his friends .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCILi1odyw
Maybe it is just my world, but nobody is talking about race. I have lived where it was racially diverse and where it isn't. I think some people just like to make race a daily topic just to stir the pot and make vague hate references to those they politically disagree with.
It is funny the things that stay in one's mind, but I remember some years ago Jesse Jackson making the comment that he would rather 2 white boys came up behind him on a dark street in Washington, rather than two black boys. I remember thinking a lot about that comment and wondering if I had the same bias. If I lived in an all white community it might seem odd for two black boys to be in the neighborhood, but in Washington it wouldn't seem odd at all and probably no more threatening.
The fact that there are rich elite black people today with the same advantages of those white, elite people, means the same to me. I dislike the idea that any group, no matter their color, or financial status think they own the world and treat others as if they are somehow beneath them. The recent Gates spat was a good example of an elitist showing that class behavior that I find repulsive.
President Obama is black. Get over it. Last week he wasn't even an American citizen.
I have two white grandmothers on both sides, so does that make me half white mathematically? And my skin color is black as spades. My grandmothers blame my father. He is as dark as I am. I at least got to play in the sun when I was a kid versus some of my cousins.
Black is the term that arrests the skin tones. The very arrogance and pretention of the article title "the black elite" angers the conversation.
Aren't we passed slavery? Aren't black people passed using terms like 'House Negro and Field Negro?" Aren't black people passed the "brown paper bag" test? I am 32 years old, I don't care. I don't use paper or plastic bags, I have the recycle bags. I don't want to pollute the planet. I am green.
Fact, black schools across the nation suck. The buildings are falling apart. And let's not forget the high crime and so many other issues. I am from that neighborhood. I am not product of affirmative action. I didn't even check my race on my college applications; nor do I with job applications. I have a white sounding last name, it gets me in the door, trust me. Yet, face to face, i've learned to sell myself and the illusion.
The firemen, they were just stupid. Can't we just say they didn't study as hard? I was watching NYC Prep on Bravo and those kids were worrying about the SAT their freshman year in high school. I didn't find out about the SAT until my senior year in high school. My school only cared if we passed that mandatory state test. I find it funny, those who don't experience the disproportion go on and on about statistics.
I tell my kids to read. Education is everything. When I was applying to college, my school principle got me a subscription to "Time" magazine and told me to highlight every word I didn't understand. America is not a melting pot. It's a forced assimilation. The Jews, Italians, Spaniards, Irish, British, Russians, have all done it. They got to America and became white. And you want to know why, because there are still black people. To put it more poetically, Chris Rock joked, not one white person would give up five dollars to be black no matter how liberal they think they are. I went to state school because it was cheap and I don't owe student loans. I am proud to be a Longhorn, wouldn't trade it. BTW, I don't know the different between forks, all I care is if the food gets in my mouth. I think box wine is the best. The only group I belong to is my union. Separation is not equal no matter the color or class or pretention. I hated that article.
Well said.
The most honest words I've read in a long time.
Your post was one of the most clear-sighted and at the same time it was illustrative of the current 'race' problems. Scientifically, there are no races, only groups that were isolated for at least ten thousand years could come close to making that claim. The old world has been mixing for the last seven thousand years. However, in america we have two tribes, black and white. Society tries to force you to choose one, (some smart-asses opt for other). Race as we know is an 18th century invention by german scholars to explain the dominant position of europeans to the rest of the world at that time. The notion took hold very well as you can see in modern day america. The absurdity of race is clear when someone as pale-skin as colin powell is considered black, as in black-skinned. Clearly the only correct interpretation of race is political. Us vs. Them. This would explain why most immigrants try to become white (read How The Irish Became White). It's for the benefits. The correct interpretation of these tribes is simple: what's white is not black and vice versa. Whites are the majority, blacks are minority, whites are smart, blacks are dumb, whites are rich and work hard, blacks are lazy and therefore poor (see niggeritus). This explains the rise since pre-british colonial times, of blacks imitating white oppresive, exclusionary behavior. (Please understand, however that pre-1760, a black owning a black, or white slave was not seen as hypocritical). These social clubs, grooming blacks to prove to whites that they are as worthy of respect as whites and hence should be seen as their equals is nothing new to the tribal mindset of america. E.g. if whites have a school, we'll have a school, if they have a debutante party, we'll have a debutante party, monkey see monkey do. It only takes on this clownish hypocritical aspect in light of the more recent cultural zeitgeist of racism. In short this article is much-ado about nothing. Most people suspect even if they cant confirm or verify the notion that race is a hoax. People make less race-based decisions on a day to day basis. Urban dwellers seek out things different from themselves and the same can be said of their suburban counter-parts. Interestingly enough thanks to Obama being who he is, he has undermined many of the intrenchant racial notions in one fell swoop. Blacks are lazy, blacks are stupid, blacks only benefit via affirmative action (side note: white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action). To keep the tribal mindset going, rascists (those who believe in race) argue: he's half-white so all the good he's achieved is because of his white blood. If this were true than his white blood would have to be of a ubermensch variety because most educated, rich whites couldn't achieve what he did. Ok that was a joke. My point being that rascism, unlike religion is losing its sway over the american mindset. Let's see how long it takes for gay marriage to be enacted (if ever).
You have the same right to call President Obama Black, as others have the right to call him Biracial and still others to call him White. All three have equal merit.
I call him Biracial not only to be technically correct, but also out of honor for the woman who carried him for 9 months in her womb, wiped his behind, went on food stamps to keep him nourished, and sacrificed her whole life to give him the best in life. As he wrote in 'Dreams from my Father', he knows what he is regardless of what you or others may choose to call him. He doesn't care, it has no impact on HIS life, on yours perhaps but not on his. I respect him for that.
We mustn't forget those black folks who when they first heard of his candidacy for President, felt he was not "black enough". Obama self-identifies as black because of this country's racist history. For far too many in this country, he doesn't look white therefore he's not even half white no matter his racial background. He has always embraced his mother and grandparent. Those whom he has loved dearly and who have loved him dearly. As the black mother of a biracial child, I have never allowed her to give short shift to her father or his racial heritage. I have never felt the need to go through anyone's racial heritage with a microscope to prove them worthy. It really isn't about biracial, half black, or half white being equally valid..he is a human being and a decent honest human being and that is all he need be.
Well, I'm forty. My mother is not white, but she would certainly pass the paper bag test, where no one in my father's family would. I do know which fork to use (and while I worked somewhere that would make me a Longhorn-ish creature, I am at heart a Red Raider). I went to college on my parents' money because they had it to spend, though never enough for us to be considered "rich." I got through a magnet high school strictly on potential, even though my PSAT score was high enough to get into the National Merit program.
Like it or not, dearest, America is NOT post-racial, and I am living proof of it. I still get looked askance at when I show up to play symphony gigs (mostly because I play cello rather than bass, trumpet, or trombone). I get even more weird glances after having done nine years of classical radio. There are still places where I show up that white people don't expect me to be.
With my mother's family having been doctors, teachers, and other professionals, I understand quite a bit of what Patricia is writing about, though there are no Jack-and-Jillers in the bunch, "good hair" has always been an issue, being presentable is still paramount.
There's not even a generation between you and I, but apparently you perceive a massive gulf...
Sorry, but his mother might beg to disagree and the President himself has said he has chosen to self-identify as black...which infers, he recognizes that he is bi-racial but far too often neither the black nor white world have that clarity. Black folks self-righteously argue he wants to be white if he claims he is bi-racial and white folks just can't see white skin so the one drop law applies. So how is he black? cause you say so or because white folks says so? Obama has an African father and a white mother. He is half white and half black...can't change that no matter what you try to make him.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE, MUST WE ALWAYS COMMENT THAT THOSE OF US WHO CHOOSE TO ENJOY THE THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, WHICH ARE NOT THE STEROTYPE OF BLACKS, SOMEHOW MAKES US NOT IN TUNE WITH OTHER BLACKS. WE JUST LOVE TO ENJOY WHAT WE ENJOY. BLACKS NEED TO GET OVER THIS "DO ONY, VISIT ONLY, ENJOY ONLY THOSE THINGS THAT ARE "STYRIOTYPE FOR US" MOVE ON PEOPLE, MOVE ON
Like good grades in your high school english class?
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Not really the point, but thanks for the reminder...
The US caste system wasn't usually as differentiated as that of Latin America and the West Indies, except if some places like Charleston and New Orleans. There usually wasn't a distinct status for half-caste and quarter caste persons between the white elite and the the darker slaves and peons below--although there were always people light enough to "pass" into the white population.
There was a group of "free persons of color", and skilled workers, both free and slave, but they faced the same color barriers as slaves and Native Americans. Of course, there were many more free blacks in Latin America and the Caribbean. Manumission was more common there, even if it did not bring full equality--no more than it did in the US until very recent times.
First-rate. Illuminating. Valuable insights.
Thank you.
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