Ah, but there's the problem. Bush exhibited an undeniable pattern of anti-democracy, militaristic, ethno-centric, religio-nationalist activities and words. Obama has been militantly pro-democracy and emphasized transcending tribe and ethnic group. Now go look up fascism, go study history, and tell me honestly where the shoe fits. Anybody can throw the fascist label around... fascists better than anybody because of their guilty consciences.

mike22 is exactly right. Bush essentially stole, with the help of the Supreme Court no less, the election in 2000. It all went to hell after that. I really think that the damage, both psychologically and politically that Cheney/Bush did to the American body politic is almost irreparable at this point.

Good luck to President Obama. He is trying more than any other president to start to mend this huge divide.

Hitler and the Joker were too much the evil genius to be compared to Bush. The best one and the most fitting was the Alfred E Newman comparison.

chekov: It is now looking like Bush also stole, with the help of Tom Ridge and strategic bogus terrorist alerts, the 2004 election.

C'mon motrbotr,
Obama has been militantly pro-democracy, that is why "Black Panthers were stationed outside the Philadelphia polling places, and the prosecution of the voter laws this violated killed by his guy at DOJ.

That is why the ACORN institutional voter fraud is being downplayed and swept under the rug.

And look at the labeling of dissenters who disagree with him. He is so pro-democracy he wants them all labeled at nut-cases or shills. That way their vote being discarded isn't such a big deal.

He will fight for your sons right to vote ( assuming you have a son, and he is a felon)

akcita:

You're doing us all a favor. By staging a hysterical freak-out of epic proportions, the entire anti-Obama movement is being painted as lunatics. If there are legitimate arguments against Obama, they're barely getting any press thanks to the ridiculous antics of people like you. The lies and baseless comparisons make for WAY better TV. Every hitler moustache, every gun at a town hall, every single incident diminishes the Republican party and drives more independents to vote Democratic.

Enjoy the political wilderness folks. If you don't shape up and divorce yourselves from unhinged conspiracy theorists like akcita, you'll be there for a long time.

Wow, ridiculous antics! What have I done now?

I was merely pointing out the fallacy of the pro-democracy comments made earlier with anti-democratic actions that have occurred.

Keep it coming sugar pie, I await your next silly statement with baited breath!

Wouldn't it be great if the things that "have ocurred" had actually occurred? Then you wouldn't be spreading lies and/or ignorance, you'd be telling the truth. For instance, the much-reported ACORN voter fraud was actually reported voluntarily by ACORN. They pay their employees per registration, and some of those employees inevitably try to pad their wallets by turning in fake registrations. By law, ACORN has to turn those in and identify them as fraudulent. But the Republicans (and Faux news, and you as well) had no problem in pretending like it was some huge scandal, and not an example of the system working as designed to weed out voter fraud.

As to specific antics, you may notice I said people like you, not you yourself. I don't actually know what your antics are other than spreading lies on TBD, so that comment was probably unfair as far as it was directed at you. But by people like you, I mean right wingers who have no scruples about lying or are too lazy to find real facts. If you're not one of those, then I misjudged, and you'll have to excuse my mistake, but I stand by my comments about the right wing in general.

BUSH started 2 wars....................and their attitude was totalitarian wanting to establish UNITARIAN PResidency and also the PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY
and MIKE22 said it better than me
Actually Obama is too timid to be a dictator.........he aims at bipartisanship is too democratic even for most people's taste.
The Republican party act like BULLIES
the DEMS are too polite...................and weak to be fascist.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU fascism is not 100 % bad............or it would not have been invented.

Don't you know lefty liberals can do as they want , not as they say?
Like this so called blog, run by a bunch of left wing hypocrites.
Left wingers call people assholes and i flag them, but since they are lefties they are not removed.
I voted for Obama, big mistake, came here on the advice of a friend, post a satirical response to Patricia Williams article without cuss words the left uses, and it gets removed, even after the date shows i explained the satire before they removed it.
That woke me up to the same spineless wimps that are Obamamites. But polls show people are seeing through this phoney smooth talking lawyer,and his Healthcare Deform will fail.

"eeasyrider

Nice try, isabella. If Obama had done nothing, your precious bondholders would have lost everything.
Doctors are not an obstacle to health care reform. You are making things up about overservicing. Doctors want to be more informed about patient tests so they don't repeat them multiple times. Seems like a good idea, don't you think? Could say some money for tax payers.
Oh and now you are conserned about lawyers? Aren't republicans screaming about tort reform. Like I said, nice try, isabella. But you are either uninformed or you love to make stuff up."


To easyrider: Your post is nonsense.

If Obama had done nothing, bondholders would have been among the first creditors paid from the sale of assets of the bankrupt company.

I notice you did not address the problem of presidents and dictators singling out individuals for public censure.

Overservicing by doctors does not mean "repeating tests multiple times". It means following every symptom, no matter how vague, to exclusion, and performing every procedure that could possibly, even remotely, yield information or relief. It will certainly save money if a bureaucrat decides how many and which tests and procedures will be performed on you. Please write again when you have symptoms that might indicate Multiple Myeloma.

I am no more concerned about lawyers' income than doctors' or that of any other group. My concern is the behavior of governments to their citizens and the use of state power to intimidate and silence opposition.

If Obama wants healthcare reform he will have to first reform the law of medical negligence.

When your Multiple Myeloma has gone undiagnosed, you are dying when you find out, but you want treatment that will delay the fateful day AND you want to sue your physician, you'd better hope that Obama hasn't obtained universal, single payer healthcare OR capped damages.

If the first, you won't live long enough to sue. If the second, even if you do file suit, you will get so little it won't pay for your funeral.

I am not a Republican.

President Obama is well-known for accusing people of "making stuff up" when he has no answers. You have no answers either but you could at least try to be original.

Isabella, you may want to go back and check your timeline. Bank of America bought Merrill Lynch in 2008 under BUSHES watch. Remember Hank Paulson, Bush's Treasury Secy?

And Chrysler was owned at the time by Cerebrus, a private equity company that took taxpayer money to try and bail our THEIR bad investment rather than spend their own money. Talk about gall!

Nice try, but us people who actually read, check facts and have memories are not going to be fooled by such unsubstantiated posts.

EXCELLENT post isabella.

After I had read the first half dozen posts or so, I was sitting here with my mouth open, unable to believe the volume of naive statements.

eeasyrider's response to you tells me he is not an investor. You have to have some comprehension of stocks and bonds, in order to grasp the impact of Obama's actions.

Those who fail to see it, I believe do so unintentionally. The only people that Obama is capable of convincing that everything he does is for them, are those Americans who will follow blindly, and then awaken one day to face their error smack in the face.

When you put your complete trust and faith in someone, that is how you get taken. And what I continually see in these posts, are Obama supporters UNWILLING to question anything that's going on. Instead of questioning the actions/errors of those "in power", they seem to find safety in simply demeaning those who will question.

I believe that many are unable to view the ramifications, because they don't grasp the fundamentals. It's like they don't understand that mixing a bunch of ingredients together can give you either a chocolate cake or chocolate pudding. Both may be chocolate, but the end results are very different.

I learned today that the Apollo Alliance designed our stimulus package; the one that took trillions of our tax dollars, supposedly for jobs,etc., but has not given us any jobs. For those who don't know, AA is headed by avowed communists. So ASK yourselves why were they chosen to have ANY input into America's economy. Could it be that the intention is, and always was, to cause our once strong economy to implode?

Stop blindly following folks, and start asking questions.

Obama action or inaction is irrelevant to my Fildeltiy mutual fund. And my Roth IRA is doing just fine. I hope everthing this lying mobster Obama fails.
He even has his own far left loonies mad, because he is sending more troops to Afghanistan. That hypocrite is a joke.

Don't forget Paul Krugman,Frank Rich, Tom Teepen, Mike Malloy, and i'm sure others who see through the onion layers the right set up under the tutelage of Lee Atwater.

What is truly interesting is the fact that facts are largely ignored. Most of the argument is an ad hominem piece saying that the LaRouche is a nut therefore there is no basis to the fears being voiced by the various people. This is an invalid argument.

Blumenthal is essentially being a propaganda tool himself in this approach.

He would do better to deconstruct the argument and demonstrate how the program saves lives rather than causes older people to be denied expensive life extending treatments.

Unfortunately the latter requires serious reseach and empirical evidence ( lots of work), so Max chose the ad hominem attack route instead.


OBTW, he mistates that the LaRouche "Planet" was not mentioned during the cable coverage of Barney Frank. The woman in the video clearly referenced LaRouche in the course of her question" That's when I started adding the grains of salt...too bad Blumenthal is a lazy reporter.

Easyrider, you just listed the Who's Who of leftist loons,and a sports announcer, a comedian, and a foreigner who still choses not to learn how to speak English. You defeated your own argument so brilliantly, I would be hard pressed to improve on it.

Alan, I have a newsflash for you. Bush won in 2000 before, after and including about 10 recounts.

aaahhh, reardongalt, i was waiting for the obligatory gop/douchebag backlash. Exactly what i expected, way to uphold the values of your party, with the usual mudslinging, racism, delusion, and blind arrogance.
..and you shouldn't have used the word "newsflash," instead something like "fabricated lie" or "FOX newsflash" would have been more appropriate when describing the "recounts" of 2000... :)

reardongalt: I have a newsflash for you. The only vote that was won by George W. Bush in 2000 was in the Supreme Court.

The initial Florida recount was broken up by protesters. Remarkably, these protesters were actually GOP staffers flown in from Washington.

By the time this mess had been cleaned up, Republicans had forced the issue up to the U.S. Supreme Court. (The Florida Supreme Court had by then ordered a recount of the entire state.)

The Supreme Court. elected Bush by a 5-4 vote, with all of the majority being conservative judges. (I don't recall any Republicans complaining about their judicial activism, either.)

Contrary to the numbers you dreamed up, not one single official recount was ever completed in Florida. However, several news organizations later made their own recount:

"According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida's highest court.

"On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide."

So the truth is we will never know who really won in Florida. The Supreme Court, butterfly ballots, the illegal purging of voter rolls, and the candidacy of Ralph Nader (conveniently funded by Republicans) ensured this.

By the way, why bother lying in these threads when it is so easy for people like me to find the facts and refute you?

Bush won in 2000? What a good belly laugh to start th day. Cruella DeVille aka Katherine Harris, Airhead Queen, helped the Cubans in Miami-Dade steal their share of votes, and we all know the Jewish voters voted for Pat Buchanan. Some people , usually inheritance or rich off illegal immigrant labor, just like the fact Shrub would steal more from payroll taxes, money the real producers create, and give it to them.
Diebold, as an E mail from their executive stated, gave Ohio to Shrub in 04.
But thank Shrub for ruining our country. His accomplishment was remarkable, destroying a system that had survived over 200 years, destroyed in 8 years. Hats off to the war mongering, Bible prostituting, draft dodging drunk.

The irony is actually making me giggle. My laughter is only tempered by te knowledge that Mr. Obama probably has quite a few more bites allowed on the hand that gave him the Presidency (the Media), before they turn on him for real.

You are confusing support and getting page views and viewers.

You are in denial if you think that the media didn't softball for Obama for the entire election.

They are now reporting on things in order to get readers, sorry but it is a business after all. They do cut him slack, his press secretary is a complete rube who is getting away with "screw you media" comments all the time.

There are only a few who are willing to pressure him the way a reporter should pressure a public official who is peddling BS.

The liberal editors gave him a pass. It was obvious to everyone, except you of course.

How else would law designed to subsidize the news papers sprout after the election. wake up hon'.

The wrong t-shirt?

You couldn't get in unless you signed a loyalty oath.

Rita,

Please, the Obama townhalls are held in hangers on remote areas (of Montana airports in one case) and well choreographed with supporters, and protesters well away from the central forum. There has to be some control over the folks who are walking in the same room with the President. I guess the real issue is how much ideological control is there?

RIta, the joker photo was an idea that was made over on Obama from an earlier Bush themed version. You act as if no dissent was allowed at all. BTW, where did Cindy Sheehan go all of a sudden? Did she lose her Dem bank roll?

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akcita: Obama used the hanger in Montana because there wasn't another building in town that was big enough for the expected crowds.

While he was indeed separated from the bulk of supporters and protesters, he was also separated from potential assassins. Like those assault-rifle-carrying protesters in Arizona.

As I remember, aside from reservations for some of his supporters and for Montana politicians, the bulk of the seats were available to everybody. According to one local report, "Obama's town hall organizers provided about 850 general-admission tickets to the public for free, while distributing several hundred more tickets through private channels to Democratic Party loyalists and wealthy donors."

This doesn't sound like any ideological control here. Contrast this with Bush, who generally restricted attendance at his town hall meetings to Republicans.

Al, there were 700 first come first serve tickets out of 1300 distributed at the town hall. Who got these? No real accounting of them as far as I have heard.

Regarding the venue, spare me the only building nonsense. These venues are planned by White House Staff and the Secret Service. Town Halls happen in all the states. I guess this podunk in Montana doesn't have a high school or a gymnasium? BS. These can be secured as well as any of the many similar facilities the President visits all the time.

My point is this, both of these guys limit external protesters in these staged events. They are trying to focus a message.

You all are trying to say one is worse than the other for it, and I'm not.

akcita: I agree that both of these guys limit external protesters in these staged events. This has to be done for security, if nothing else.

But inside? Bush limited attendees to his events in many ways, doing his best to eliminate anyone who might be a protester. I never saw Bush taking spontaneous questions from the audience, as we have seen Obama do at his town hall meetings.

akcita: Cindy Sheehan has her own radio show, "Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox".

She is also plans to be at a protest this week in Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama is vacationing.

I suspect she's doing better than you are...

LOL @ BullMoose
Oh no what will we do without you to protect us. It seems the babies aren't the only ones crying here. Maybe if you were a little more eloquent in your writing it would actually seem to be satire.

crngdnmwhatever First you need a brain, of which you are devoid of to discern satire. Time flies and i can't wait to rub in the Republicans retaking of Congress, then the Presidency in 2012. I take you Tina Brownites with a grain of salt.

So she was then, a crack-addicted woman of ill repute, clueless about the where and the whom, AND a LaRouchie. That's pretty good, xlntcat, 2 out of 3 is very good.

Sounds like 2 crack addicts talking about each other.

It was surprising to see a term that has blatant sexual connotations thrown out so casually. I cringe at the thought of more such rhetorical gifts from liberal commentators. Will the lexicon of the pornography industry now become the norm for political discourse?

Unbelievable.

What you say is so true. It happens all the time on these posting sites. I particularly love the way that anything critical of Obama is countered by a response that essentially says "Well Bush did the same thing."

Why the libs spend so much time comparing Obama, to someone they hate, tells me that Obama's actions cannot stand on their own. In addition, if everything that Obama does, was also done by Bush, and the libs hated what Bush did, then one can conclude that the libs also hate what Obama is doing.

When the movement first started, they were calling themselves teabaggers. I heard it on TV and saw it in the papers The term changed to Tea Party in a very short amount of time.. I only learned recently that it has sexual connotations. I've asked a few people and they didn't know either. I guess they're not as blatant as Akita states, since the original members of the groups were using it for a while.

The fact that you do not know what "tea-bagging" is and used that as your slogan w/out doing any research...just shows that you live under a rock. Don't blame others for what you do not know.

david, that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard someone say. Don't you think it makes more sense to know what a tea party is? The Boston Tea Party was fundamental to the founding of our country.

It makes much more sense to question the integrity (and sexual behaviour for that matter) of what's supposed to be mainstream news anchors and reporters who use the term in derogatory manner while they are addressing it at Granny and Granpa?

Yea the outrage was everywhere, but it's sad cuz what can you really do? I thought the president should have been impeached, he committed a serious crime. But what am I gonna do, sue him?
When a powerful leader doesn't really care whether his people hate him for lying to them, he removes from himself any need to be vindicated. I kinda interpreted bush's attitude as "yea, I lied. What are you people gonna do?"

Right. cuz having sources for that would, like, totally be possible!

It's "baited" breath. You need Scope.

Speagle: Actually, "bated" is considered correct, even though you often see "baited" used instead.

Google it for yourself. Have fun!

speagle You did not know AlanD2 is the head lefty here besides Tina Brown's extreme left leaning brain?
He follows me around , like some other lefty i don't bother to remember, but their silliness runs off like water over a duck's back.
As for his google comment, they are not God. leave that for Tina Brown. The old i before e except after c is now being accepted either way, because it was never written in stone to be correct anyway.
speagle Sorry he is stalking you, but at least it eats his time, and i can post without his , well whatever it is he says, since i do not read then except when he attacks others and i forget to see who it is. He really has no life.