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BS Top - Shafrir Babies Dana Hoff / Getty Images From embryo adoption to sperm washing, making a baby is easier—and more complicated—than ever. Doree Shafrir on parenthood's new frontier.

Today's birth announcements come in all shapes and sizes. "Steve and Michael are Preggers!" "Sally, Maria, and Sebastian are Having Twins!" "It's an Adopted Frozen Embryo!"

We live in an age when the obsession with having a child has reached a fever pitch. Single men and women, and couples gay and straight, have more options than ever before—and they're taking advantage of every single one of them. The $4 billion fertility industry has couples going to untold lengths to conceive, and has pushed pregnancy toward the realm of science fiction. People are adopting embryos that would have otherwise been used for stem-cell research, and HIV-infected sperm is being washed clean so it can fertilize an egg. (Whose egg? Maybe the 50-something single lesbian's.) There are sperm banks offering discounts to soldiers who want to store their sperm for their wives to impregnate themselves with in case they die overseas. And more and more often, close family members are acting as surrogates.

With the art of baby-making going from surrealist to abstract, The Daily Beast talked to couples (and singles) whose paths to parenthood were circuitous, but perhaps all the more touching for the length of the journey.

The Sister-in-Law Surrogate

Mindy Denney, a former TV news anchor, had a partial hysterectomy at 19 because of hemophilia in her family; she still had eggs, but no uterus. When she started thinking about having children, she turned to her sister-in-law, Gina, whom she'd known since junior high school. Over a bottle of wine, Mindy and her husband discussed it with Mindy's brother and Gina, and Gina agreed. "For three months she had to take huge progesterone shots in her back every day," Mindy said of Gina's ordeal. "We had to get our cycles together." Mindy's cycle had to be lined up with Gina's so that Gina's uterus would be ready to receive the eggs at the exact moment they were ready.

Diagnosing an Embryo

Mindy also knew she was a carrier for hemophilia—the reason she'd had the partial hysterectomy—and so her embryos underwent PGD, or preimplantation genetic diagnosis. "We had 13 embryos, with eight cells to each embryo. They'd pull one cell off at a time and send it to a clinic, and the clinic would test that one cell and send us back the paperwork and say this one has PGD, this one doesn't, etc. We only had 13 embryos in consideration." Of course this raises the issue of genetic selection, as Mindy herself points out: "People say, oh, you decided not to have the hemophilia child." She declined to say what happened to the rest of the embryos.

The first two clinics Mindy tried refused to work with her because of the genetic disease issues. The third, the Huntington Reproductive Clinic in Southern California, agreed. "The doctor said, I've never done anything like this before. Let's do it," said Mindy.

Adopting Her Own Son

After the embryo was successfully implanted in her sister-in-law—who was living in Austin, Texas—Mindy discovered, months later, that there was another potential wrinkle: She had to get a court order saying that she and her husband, not her sister-in-law and her brother, were the parents. "Otherwise, we would have had to adopt our own son," she said. Today, Mindy's son Alec is a healthy 3 year old. But she and her husband know if they want to have more biological children they'll have to find a new surrogate: While she was pregnant with Alec, Gina developed the anti-E antibody, a condition that can result when a mother's blood type is incompatible with her child's. As a result, Gina is unable to carry any more children as a surrogate, though she can still have more of her own biological children.

Sperm Washing

Today, even a man who’s HIV-positive can conceive with relative safety—he just needs to get his sperm washed first. Dr. Ann Kiessling, a researcher at Harvard Medical School and the founder of the Bedford Stem Cell Research Foundation, pioneered the use of so-called sperm washing in the United States. Sperm washing can be used when a man with HIV wants his own biological child but wants to be sure he doesn’t pass along the virus.

The process foregoes soap and water, and skips right to the spin cycle. Sperm is spun in a centrifuge and the healthy, presumably non-HIV-infected sperm are the ones that are left in the center. The healthy sperm are then fertilized using IVF or through the "cup" insemination method. According to Kiessling, 101 babies in the U.S. have been born using this method since 1998. "We were going to have a big party when we got to 100, but we realized that most people who have gone through this don't want people to know who they are," she said. "There are quite a number of pregnancies ongoing now."

At first, she said, she had trouble finding fertility specialists who were willing to work with sperm that had been "washed." "Vladimir Troche, who runs a fertility program in Arizona, was the very first to step forward and said, I'll help you with these people. After he started, other programs had started." Sperm washing can also be used by men with hepatitis B, which, according to Kiessling, is "one of the few viruses that can infect the developing embryo."

Claiming a Frozen Embryo

Monica, a 38-year-old woman living with her husband Gary outside of Philadelphia, is pregnant with her first child. But the baby won't share any genetic material with either her or her husband. That's because she adopted the frozen leftover embryos of a Milwaukee woman who had undergone fertility treatments. Many women who undergo IVF either discard their leftover embryos or donate them for stem-cell research. But some IVF users—especially Christian ones—believe that life begins at conception and refuse to destroy or donate their leftover embryos. Instead, they pay to keep them frozen and, in a process that has become similar to adopting a child, wait for the right person to come along to adopt the embryo. The resulting children have come to be called snowflake babies.

Monica went through an agency called Embryos Alive, which has been run by a Cincinnati woman named Bonnie Bernard since September 2003. Bernard matches leftover embryos with women like Monica; the embryo donors must approve each adoption. "On her Web site there's a list of the anonymous donors—what they look like and what they're looking for, and how many embryos they have," Monica explained. "It also says what the mother and father's backgrounds are, and what faith or religious beliefs they have." The couple she chose to adopt her embryos “was perfect,” says Monica. “They fit what we look like and our Christian beliefs, and they wanted a closed adoption.”

Monica and Gary had to submit a background check, birth certificates, baptismal records, deed to their house, health-insurance cards, proof of life insurance, and information about the neighborhood they lived in, as well as three letters of recommendation. Bernard's fee for everything was $3,200.

The Adoptee's Adoption

When it came time for the embryos to actually be transferred, however, Monica hit an unexpected snag: The father of the donated embryos was himself adopted, and had incomplete medical records. Several fertility clinics they contacted refused to do the transfer because of his unknown medical background. "They were afraid they would contaminate the other embryos," said Monica. She finally found a clinic in Delaware that would do the transfer, for which she paid $3,500. Despite these fees, Monica said, embryo adoption "was the most affordable way to go about having my own child." She’s due two days after Christmas.

The Divorcees' Conception

Dr. John Jain, who founded the Santa Monica Fertility Specialists clinic, recalls one patient who had frozen her eggs at age 40 when it seemed that she and her husband would divorce. One year later, at age 41, they reconciled, and the couple came back to Jain's clinic for IVF after she had had a miscarriage. "Miscarriages at that age are related to chromosonal abnormalities—the egg gives rise to genetically abnormal embryos," said Jain. At that point, he said, the patient decided to use her frozen eggs. "I decided to do ZIFT (zygote intrafallopian transfer). I put the eggs in her Fallopian tubes. This was a woman who was in her forties and likelihood of pregnancy through any standard in vitro fertilization method is poor. She'd already had a miscarriage, which showed eggs were on downward side of quality." ZIFT is a laproscopic surgery performed under general anesthesia. Through ZIFT, the woman ended up with a healthy baby.

Seeking Single Motherhood

Staceyann Chin, a lesbian author, poet, and activist, is working on a documentary called Baby Makes Me with the filmmaker Tiona McClodden about attempting to become a single mother. The documentary, which will begin shooting soon, will also explore other women's nontraditional paths to become mothers. "Even if I did have a kid with a partner, I'd be making the choice to have a child who will grow up without a father," said Chin, who has started visiting sperm banks to explore her options. "This whole idea of choosing a kid—when you go to buy sperm, you have Chinese sperm, black sperm, white sperm. You can pay extra to look at a picture of the donor as a baby, to see what your baby might look like."

Chin, who grew up in Jamaica of African and Chinese ancestry, said that embarking on this quest has also raised difficult questions about race. "I had this idea that I'd like to have a kid that looks like me," she said. "When you have a kid, you think, 'My child is going to look like me and my boyfriend.' So that we all look like a family, if i was with another black woman I would choose black sperm. When you don't have that in mind when you're going solo, it's an eeny miney mo setup. You get to manipulate the race of your kid."

Making Other People's Babies

Rick Dillwood and his wife, Amelia, who have been married for seven years, don't have children themselves, and have no plans to. But there will be five children who owe their existence to the two of them. Several months ago, Dillwood, a 29-year-old grad student in North Carolina, donated sperm to his friends, a lesbian couple named Melanie and Karen, who used to be his neighbors. Their baby, a girl, is due in November. And before Amelia, who is now 34, met Rick, she had donated eggs. "So there are four children in the world who share my wife's genetic material who she has no contact with," said Dillwood. "Those kids can contact her when they're old enough. I think part of the reason that Melanie and Karen approached us is because they realized we were into the idea that we didn't want to be responsible for our biological children."

Before Dillwood handed over his sperm, Melanie and Karen drafted a contract stipulating that he knows why he's doing this and what it will lead to. "I have no say in anything about the child," said Dillwood. "I'm not responsible financially in any way for the child." Dillwood said he's not telling his parents about his daughter until the so-called second family adoption goes through. "A couple years ago, my mom said, 'Do you think you're ever going to have kids?' And I said, 'I don't think.' My parents are pretty traditional, and I could tell that didn't make any logical sense to her. So now I'm going to tell her that not only am I not going to have kids, but I'm giving kids to someone else."

Dillwood made a 10-minute film about his experience called How to Make a Heartbeat that screened at the Austin Gay and Lesbian Film Festival last week. His parents, he said, don't know about the documentary, either.

The Homeless Fetus

Dan Savage, editor of the Seattle alt-weekly The Stranger and the writer of the Savage Love sex advice column, adopted his son D.J. from a homeless woman before the child was even born. Savage has written extensively about D.J.'s adoption in two books: The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant and The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage and My Family. D.J.'s birth mother, whom Savage calls Melissa in his writing, was an inconsistent presence in his life in his early years; there was a period of about a year and a half where Savage thought she was dead. But today they see her about once a year. "She's no longer homeless," said Savage. "She's settled a little more than she used to be. The thing that's complicated now is that it takes them a little time to warm up to each other. D.J.'s shy and so is his mom."

Savage was quick to clarify reports that labeled Melissa a drug addict. "She was using drugs and alcohol in recreational quantities when she got pregnant. The minute she found out she was pregnant, she stopped."

Nine months after D.J. was born, his father showed up. "Then he disappeared and we never heard from him again." Today, Savage is in touch with his son's step-grandmother (his biological grandfather's wife), and says that no one knows where D.J.'s father is; he does know that "D.J. has a half sibling out there somewhere."

Savage and his partner Terry were the first gay couple to adopt a child at the agency they used, Open Adoption & Family Services in Portland, Oregon. "Now half the people they work with are gay," he said.

Doree Shafrir has contributed to The New York Observer, The New Yorker, Slate, and The Awl, and is the co-author of Love, Mom. She is a former editor at Gawker. Her Web site is www.doreeshafrir.com.

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suzrunnr

Great job making infertile couples and anything other than a traditional heterosexual married couple family feel yet again like they are not normal. Labeling how their families came to be as "weird" is demeaning. It's not weird to want to parent a child and though some of us get there via a different path than the "normal" one (I am the mother of a child conceived using donor eggs), it doesn't mean our choices should be judged as bizarre. I'm guessing you've never been there otherwise perhaps you'd have a bit more sensitivity towards your subjects.

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1:21 pm, Sep 14, 2009

roadhunter

I'd have to say having another woman's eggs implanted into your womb is about as bizarre as it gets.

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3:42 pm, Sep 15, 2009

JeffreyinLA

Selfish people who will do absolutely anything to achieve the vanity baby are weird and bizarre. Sorry if the word upsets you, but there it is. Better babies through science is disgusting.

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4:49 pm, Sep 15, 2009

HamMed

we need better babies, too many incompetents are having babies while the smarter people are too busy running their lives to conceive

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6:29 pm, Sep 16, 2009

LadyAvalon13

You need a license to have a dog or a cat .... but not a child? Think about it - if people like good 'ole jeffreyinla here can spit out kids, no wonder science needs to improve upon them -

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12:19 pm, Sep 17, 2009

angied78

here, here I recently gave birth to twins. One healthy the other was diagnosed with downs in utero. The doctor suggested more than once that
I "selective terminate" my daughter. Needless to say Aubry is alive and well and the extent of her downs is not a concern to me or my family. A little known fact... 70 % of children diagnosed with a genectic abnormality are terminated in utero.

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1:16 pm, Sep 17, 2009

Richie9999

Don't be ignorant, It is quite reasonable to want to pick and choose which egg is going to fertilized. Are you trying to say that it wold be better if they had a baby with hemophilia? Why would you wish such a thing on a child? What is wrong with you?

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4:05 pm, Sep 17, 2009

EdmondDantes

I made a mistake having a child. It wasn't for vanity reasons. But I did wonder whether I might have missed out if we hadn't had a child. It now feels like the experience has degraded my marriage and my life. Call me selfish. I'm just voicing my perspective as a parent.

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1:26 am, Sep 16, 2009

ceciliaT

You are selfish, a child is NEVER A MISTAKE. If having this child in your marriage is now an inconvenience. Please, let your spouse know and together find this poor child a home with loving parents who will not blame their incompetence as married partners on their offspring. I am greatly concerned for the safety and over all well being of this child. There have been many parents in the past years whom have found it easier to dispose of their children as if they where just a blob of nothing, For the very same reasons you just mentioned.

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3:06 am, Sep 16, 2009

KateTheGreat

Most legitimate studies show a substantial decrease in marriage satisfaction, and an overall decrease in quality of life for parents when they have kids. Most parents will tell you that it's the hardest/best thing they've ever done but that the sleepless nights are absolute hell and forget about a sex life for awhile...then they try to convince YOU to have one so they have people to do things with again.

I've tinkered with the idea a few times, then I realize that 99% of the care and sacrifice would land on me as the wife -- despite hubbies assertions to the contrary...yeah right dear, suddenly you'd start seeing all the mess around the house without being told about it *lol*

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8:31 am, Sep 16, 2009

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9:54 am, Sep 16, 2009

museweaver

consider getting some help for this---to feel this way about your child is not a good thing.

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11:28 am, Sep 16, 2009

Momofan8yearold

Getting pregnant may have been "on accident," but how could you EVER say your child was a mistake? Having my daughter was unexpected, I'm not with her Father, I've since married someone else, but, NO MATTER WHAT, I can NEVER regret having my beautiful, wonderful, sometimes annoying daughter. How can you EVER choose ANYONE, your husband or anyone else, over your child? My daughter will ALWAYS come first over EVERYONE, INCLUDING my husband & that's how it should be...to call you selfish is JUST the Tip of the iceberg...more like disgusting & have NO feelings...children are the biggest gift you can give to humanity, will contribute to the future. If your husband doesn't care for his child, maybe it's time for you & your child to move on from him, it's the best thing you can do for your child. Put them first ALWAYS!!!!!

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3:47 pm, Sep 16, 2009

wotfreak1983

The fact that you dont want the child you already have speaks of either the need to talk to a counciller to deal with longterm postpartum depression. This can be treated I went through similar problems after I had my first child but with medication and councilling worked through it. Or you should think about giving the child up for adoption every child deserves love and it doesnt sound like you love your child. Anyways I hope it works out for you because being a mother is one of the most rewarding experiences you can have.

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9:42 am, Sep 17, 2009

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11:52 am, Sep 17, 2009

Peaches760

Are you kidding me?! Speaking as an infertile women it's people like you that make me sick. Why would you have a child that you didn't want? It's poor children like yours that are "stuck" with parents like you who don't want a child and end up abused and most of the time dead. How could you even refer to yourself as a parent? You are a sad excuse for a parent. Give that child up and give it the chance it deserves. You make me sick.

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12:15 pm, Sep 17, 2009

KellyJo

Despite the hateful lashing out that you are receiving from some of these people, it is important that you acknowledge your feelings. Sometimes having a child IS a mistake. That being said, the child is here, and he/she isn't going anywhere. As you are well aware, you have a responsibility to do your best for him/her. You have to examine your life and reset your goals. Some of the things you want are still possible, others are not or will have to be delayed. I would like to add, it does get easier when they are older.

Also, if you have not already done so, consider getting a vasectomy. If having one child is a mistake, having more would just throw gasoline on the fire.

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6:22 pm, Sep 17, 2009

kspadt

Your not a parent your just another person with a kid. You can't be selfish when your a real parent. The problem isn't the child it's you. Talk to your doctor and fix yourself before you damage your child.

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12:01 am, Sep 18, 2009

EdmondDantes

Hugs to KateTheGreat for actually reading and reading into my original post. And to the rest of you who have responded to my honest feelings so far: Fuck off. That's right. Your cries of accusation and indignation amuse me, so don't fling your baggage my way. I didn't share my perspective to get flamed by self-righteous, smug, squealers like you. Parenthood is riddled with emotions. And people of different temperaments, medical conditions, personal histories, and cultures will interpret the complicated role of parenthood differently. I wrote the original post with full understanding that I am not voicing an 'honorable' viewpoint. It's not something I'm proud of. But I am being honest and I am working through these issues. I am absolutely committed to parenthood and I deeply love my wife and my child. That I believe I made a mistake in having a child is my belief, based on many hours of introspection, turmoil, disappointment, and sadness. You are free to use your personal criteria for 'mistake', but given what I have discovered are my natural capacities for parenting I have come to my own personal conclusions about what 'mistake' means for me. And I still believe that I made a mistake having a child. But don't attack me as if you would a perpetrator in a crime. There are no crimes here. Just the honest grind of a bewildered parent trying to make the best of decisions made in the absence of full information.

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2:51 am, Sep 18, 2009

EdmondDantes

KellyJo: Not sure they get "easier when they are older." All the peer pressure, academic, and financial concerns only become more intense as 'they' get older. I know. I put my own parents through it all. I do appreciate your support and suggestions, though.

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3:06 am, Sep 18, 2009

anonymous29

You really needed to use the word "weird"- can you get any more judgmental? Perhaps, the word non-traditional would have been a more appropriate choice.

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9:58 pm, Sep 14, 2009

ardeth

Why not adopt a child? There are plenty out there who need parents. Remember, folks, it's no longer fruitful to multiply!

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10:54 pm, Sep 14, 2009

rhapsodystar

Honestly, it costs at least 15K to adopt a child (not including the wait for a newborn) while it can be as cheap as a couple hundred to purchase sperm and inseminate yourself. Then, some insurance pays a large portion of some expenses. . . Sad to say, but fertility treatments are cheaper and you can look at a menu and pick what you want while adoption the costs, legal battles and time can make it prohibitive.

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11:30 pm, Sep 14, 2009

chompinmj

the inseminate yourself method isn't very effective so add in your doctor fees and shipping costs into the cost of sperm....some insurance companies wont cover since it is elective....given that it takes an average of 6 months for it to work....I dont know that it is much cheaper....less headaches than adopting for sure.

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6:23 pm, Sep 16, 2009

chelesekelly

If you cant afford to adopt then you shouldnt be having a child anyways! Children are not cheap and the reason it is expensive is to make sure the family can take care of the children and that the family is resposible! It may be cheap to get inseminated but guess what you still have all the bills of the medical exams of being pregnant and also the medical bills of the labor and if you have a c-section you are looking at paying for your hospital room for at least 3 to four days. i am a mother of two and honestly it all can come out about even to the cost of the adoption and labor can actually end up costing you over 40,000 if you dont have good insurance. So that really is no excuse. Bottom line is people are selfish. Just like they can adopt a dog from the pound that would love them forever but that isnt good enough they have to have a purbread while the other dogs suffer! Same thing happens to children! they get sent to group home and orphanages, and go from foster parent to foster parent because people are selfish!

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11:33 pm, Sep 17, 2009

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8:49 am, Sep 15, 2009

Jswift

Well aren't we cranky today.

First off: There is such a thing as carrying capacity. Granted it is difficult to determine that point since hummanity has innovative capabilities as to dealing with it. That being said, it is not wise to continue multiplying however we please assuming that we will come up with the solution to the next inhibiting factor on population growth.

All that aside: ardeth's point CLEARLY had nothing to do with that. His view was not from an ecological or economic standpoint. Simply stated, there are children out there who could really use a loving home. It was a stance of compassion for a group of those often overlooked.

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9:36 am, Sep 15, 2009

seeandhearall

i volunteer you go! good riddance.

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12:48 pm, Sep 15, 2009

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1:59 pm, Sep 15, 2009

whipmawhopma

pricklypear - Nicely done.

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4:27 pm, Sep 15, 2009

jconstant78

I'd love to. Will you give me $30, 000 to pay for my homestudy and all the adoption fees? Or, if I adopt an older child you could give me the $30,000 to pay for the medical and/or psychological difficulties that older children experience from early childhood trauma.
Adoption is great, but there are really good reasons for people to find their own way to bring a child into their family.

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11:42 am, Sep 15, 2009

vesper418

Just to let you know, when you adopt a child from Foster Care, their medical, dental and psychological care are paid for until they are adults. There is also a host of services provided for the child and their family, an adoption tax credit of about $11,000 and if you work through your city's department of child and family services, the cost is virtually nil. Just trying to alleviate some of the stigma that surrounds adopting a child from foster care.

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9:36 am, Sep 16, 2009

chelesekelly

That is nothinng compared to the price of raising a child. What happens if your child ends up vandalizing something and you have to pay for it? Or gets injured playing sports? I was injured just doing track in high school and my parents ended up having to pay over 50,000 in medical bills because of surgery and the hospital stay and the physical therepy to be able to run again. So honestly if you cant put out the money then be responsible and dont have a child. For all you know something could happen to your child and it could be just as expensive, the bottom line would be that you would rather spend that money on "your child" than an adopted child and that makes me sick! My mother was adopted and that family means the world to us and we mean the world to that family. Bottom line you are selfish! Think about this you buy a house how much did that cost you and you bought a car and the flat screen tv and that is all just stuff but you can afford to adopt a child!

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11:43 pm, Sep 17, 2009

seeandhearall

excellent point!

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12:48 pm, Sep 15, 2009

Peaches760

It's so twisted that this country complains about the lack of love given to a child, yet they charge a couple over $30,000 to take one into their home and give it the love it needs.

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12:16 pm, Sep 17, 2009

pradhangeorge

In india inexpensive adoption of a child, and unaffordable IVF may not be secret unless donor sperm.

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9:12 am, Sep 15, 2009

pradhangeorge

But a woman's uterus hungers for an embryo, self or surrogate !

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9:13 am, Sep 15, 2009

KCHK21

What about heterosexual couples who adopt because they think the amount of money and time required to get pregnant is ridiculous? Or the couples who end up raising a family members child?

There are a million ways to make a family. I think classifying them as weird or strange is doing a giant disservice to families like mine that are created via non traditional methods.

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10:36 am, Sep 15, 2009

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8:59 am, Sep 16, 2009

poojo010282

Ain't that the truth!!!

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3:12 pm, Sep 17, 2009

MiaWallace


Why couldn't The Daily Beast have someone who has actually gone THROUGH one of these procedures or down one of these avenues of having children write this piece? Not just another writer taking a jaunt through the apparent sideshow of Assisted Reproductive Technology and adoption. Why couldn't Dan Savage have written this?
Doree, when you note pregnancy being pushed toward the realm of science fiction, you have not idea how flippant and arrogant you appear. I'm sorry, but as someone struggling with infertility I can't help but point this out. To us this is not fiction, it is reality.
To those so quick to cry "Just Adopt!": You should understand that adoption is sometimes more difficult and expensive to go through than most ART procedures. So when you are so quick to tell couples struggling with having children to "just adopt", keep it to yourself. Adoption often costs more, takes years longer and turns your life upside down. It is a very personal decision and not some cure-all balm to be recommended lightly.
For those who cannot have children the "traditional" way, these procedures and avenues are a great help to those longing to raise a family. What is so science fiction about that?

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9:07 am, Sep 16, 2009

vesper418

I agree that adoption isn't the answer for everyone, but a more viable option than many understand. While anyone can monetarily afford it, not just anyone or any couple can be good adoptive parents.

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9:42 am, Sep 16, 2009

kittys-spot

Maybe people should try being foster parents, that sometimes satisfies their urge to have their own baby, also there are often times when you get the opportunity to adopt a foster child.

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5:58 pm, Sep 16, 2009

roadhunter

Before intentionally breeding, please check out this web site:
http://www.vhemt.org/
There are no reasons for intentionally procreating that are not selfish reasons. None. Adoption is a different matter, and if it takes letting gays, transvestites, communists, and circus freaks to have enough homes for the kids that need them, I'm all for it. Breeding, though, is about the most selfish act a human being can perform. There are very, very few environmental issues that cannot be attributed to overpopulation.

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4:33 pm, Sep 15, 2009

Kamedas

You hit the nail on the head with the BIG unsaid... there is absolute no reason to reproduce beyond the selfish notion of continuing the family seed. And the world only suffers from increasing the number of people on it, no matter how fabulous or special one's spawn could be.

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9:08 am, Sep 16, 2009

DaniellenCavin

Okay have anoy of ever thought that some people have very bad genetic problems that could eventually lead to death or worse of a child.... Over population is not the worry it is more like you need to worry about those people who do have children that have rare dieases and the family can not affor to get the child correct and proper medical care.... Having children is very unselfish and needs to be viewed as being selfless due to the fact that you never know if that child will grow up to find the cure to cancer or AIDS or even HIV.... Everyone looks at it as being a bad thing to select your child I would have if I could have so that I would have known if my children would have a rare form of cancer that runs in my family but I can not prevent that now... It is al on how you veiw the situation.... You can also look at it as that people are having it done so that they can have the perfect family and have a certian amount of each sex instead of the surprise of going for the ultrasound at 20 weeks and finding out that way... People need to open there eyes and relize that with the problems that the world is having today gene selection is probably the best route to go to gaurntee that the worlds children start out healthy and have no need to worry about how to take care of and afford a child with medical problems...Adoption on the other hand will provide homes for children whose parents were smart enough to relize that they could not care for the child or even that they had a child and they relized that they could not give it the life it deserves.... There are children in the US today that are living on the street and starving to death and some who are living on the street that dont even know their parents.... The world is a cruel plac i just think that people need to really sit down and look at their lives and see if they can actually afford to care for another human being.... Instead of being reckless and deciding to have a child without wondering in ten to fifteen years are wwe going to still be together or are wegoing to be able to take care of the human that we have created.... Children are mircles and they are wonder ful gifts people need to remember that....

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1:23 pm, Sep 16, 2009

AmiraV

There's something people forget... why God didn't retract his order to "Be fruitful and many." The fact is that although it seems we are overpopulating, there are environmental issues that will balance that out... Earthquakes, tornadoes, and don't forget incurable deseases. Now having said that, yes adoption is a wonderful thing, but not everyone can do it. I was adopted, but my adopted parents didn't treat me as well as their own children. They didn't even noticed the difference in treatment, but their son did, and pointed it out once. Now I do not believe that for most people having a child is completely selfish. We are programed to want children... but I've noticed that many people who have trouble concieving are better parents than those who can have a child no problems. If you are saying go adopt, but never adopted, then shame on you. If you are saying that it's weird to want a baby in these ways, and never went through these treatments, then shame on you too. Shame to those who are selfishly wanting to conceive as well. The whole point of having children is to give away love, honor, and traditions. It doesn't matter how that child is conceived, whether by adoption, natural, or more unconventional methods... all that matters is that said child is received with love, open hearts, and good intentions. Now you all should stop judging each other, and be glad that there are miracles, big and small. God bless you! :]

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2:51 pm, Sep 17, 2009

IFisHELL

BRAVO!!!!! Well said, Amira!

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8:10 pm, Sep 17, 2009

mammacole

Roadhunter... Wow. I can't believe... well, yes, I can believe there are people out there who *believe* that causing the human race to become extinct is the morally correct thing to do. Now, that is a belief. Just like I believe that I should do as my God commanded me and multiply. I have three children and I am very very happy with them. I think I could go through life happy with the three that I have. But, I also believe very deeply that before this life on Earth, I made a promise to certain spirit children of God that I would provide them with a body here. So, I will stop preventing pregnancy and allow it to happen, and maybe I'll end up pregnant and maybe I won't. I don't think that becoming pregnant is always a selfish choice. Those of you who do, I guess it would be for you, so maybe you shouldn't do it, or limit the number of times you do. But can't we look at everything in this life and turn it to a prospective that it is done out of selfishness?

I may think it is selfish of you to deny me and my family happiness by telling me for instance, that I shouldn't or even can't have any more children, or how I can or can't conceive.

I think when the article says these methods of pregnancy are pushing science fiction, the author did not intend it to be rude or hurtful, just amazing - Things that just a few years ago we wouldn't have dreamed of being possible except in a science fiction novel. And now it is reality... and I think it is great! Except of course, the idea of aborting lives because they are not "perfect"

So roadhunter, it is selfish of you to say that trees etc are more deserving of what Earth has to offer than God's children (which you are one). It doesn't matter, Christ will return to the Earth and return it to its original state and there will be room for us all to live here. (By the way, I wish I could remember where I read it, but I once read that if everyone living today were to live in Texas, we could all have an acre of land. I've not done the research or math to check that, just read it somewhere.) Have a great day.

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12:28 pm, Sep 18, 2009

JeffreyinLA

The $4 billion fertility industry is shameful. Some people are not meant to reproduce. Sorry, but that's biology.

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4:45 pm, Sep 15, 2009

althea

I agree. In fact, it's shameful that cancer is such a big industry as well. Chemo has a miserable success rate and it is biology....right?

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6:07 pm, Sep 15, 2009

emmmi999

Hey jeffreyin, i guess if you get cancer you shouldn't receive any medical treatment because you were just meant to die?

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10:54 pm, Sep 15, 2009

overdue

Oh. The "natural selection" biology factor. So THAT'S why we have MS, Cancer, AIDS.....

Damn Big Pharma for finding a cure to Polio!

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12:39 am, Sep 16, 2009

LadyAvalon13

YOUR parents should not have reproduced ......

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12:15 pm, Sep 17, 2009

DaBearsGirl

I so dont agree, So sayin this because I am a 27 yr old female that has had medical issues that means I should just accept that I cant have a chil without fertility drugs and crack it up as biology???? NO sorry I dont think so! That is why we have things like fertility drugs to help ppl that should have that right as a loving couple to raise a family

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4:20 pm, Sep 17, 2009

Get0verIt

ok, understood for other people who can't have babies...how about adopting a child from another country? like from africa, asian countries etc. there are hungry babies out there...please adopt over there on those countries. you will help the world from poverty. bless u. when you do adopt one, please, please take care of him/her like your own (not a slave one when she or he grows up. ok?! thank u

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6:11 pm, Sep 15, 2009

Peaches760

Do you have the money to help me adopt one? If i could afford it, i'd be right on it. But unfortunatley i dont have $50k in my bank account.

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12:18 pm, Sep 17, 2009

cementfist

Look there are a lot of reasons people need fertility treatments and guess what? Some of them have nothing to do with fertility, but rather HEALTH issues. If you and your partner are both carriers for a specific genetic disease wouldn't it be the more responsible thing to go through IVF so CGH or PGD could be preformed, preventing a life threatening disease?

Or what if you get cancer and have to go through chemo. Does that mean you should give up your ability to have children? Why not freeze your eggs prior to treatment?

Seriously people, grab a clue. And before you say another word without walking a mile in their shoes -- STOP. Or continue on, but don't be hypocritical. Take your own assvice. Quite reproducing and stop adopting!

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8:04 pm, Sep 15, 2009

mcmarvy


The characterization of people who require help to conceive as selfish, undeserving, lazy, careerist, and profligate is deeply unfair and undeserving. Have a conversation with someone who is experiencing fertility problems or who needs help to have a baby and you will find that there are hundreds of reasons that go beyond just "biology".

Some of us require help because we are in same-sex relationships; some of us require help because we waited until we were in emotionally stable and financially secure relationships; some of us underwent medical procedures that damaged our ability to conceive; some of us have experienced physical trauma; some of us can conceive but not carry to term; and some of us have no idea why we cannot conceive.

Couples struggling with fertility issues should not be used as scapegoats to ease our collective responsibility and consciences regarding over-population and the unequal distribution of global resources.




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9:09 am, Sep 16, 2009

nisly1234

Yes, collecting sperm is unnatural. We've even thought about it ourselves. Our compation for the unloved and unwanted children in America opened our eyes wide. There are over 500,000 children in our country in 'The system' looking for a family just like yours. I do not believe in buying children. We have adopted 6 children who were in foster care and never paid a cent. These children were not born under my heart but in it. We never think of them as anything but our own.

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9:23 am, Sep 16, 2009

mcmarvy

As someone who is experiecing fertility problems and who herself is adopted I can tell you that not only is adoption not for everyone - it is not an option for everyone. Age, financial status, financial ability, sexual orientation, marital status etc., can all limit who can adopt. Further adoption brings with it a host of emotional, social, identity, familial issues for everyone involved in the adoption triad (birth parent, child, adoptive parents) must be prepared to spend a lifetime dealing with.
Adoption is not a panecea for infertility - it should be entered into by people are willing and able to deal issues it presents.
Nothing irritates me more that to hear someone tell me to "just adopt." like it is as simple as going to the SPCA to get a kitten. Like anyone experiencing fertility issues the decsion to or not to adopt is extremely complex.

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6:56 pm, Sep 16, 2009

lisacotesc

If there where only moe like you................god bless you

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12:37 pm, Sep 17, 2009

cygnet2

Thank you mcmarvy! Perfectly stated!

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9:24 am, Sep 16, 2009

jade99

Here's a simple way to improve your chances of conception that doctor's won't tell you about..........use plain old robitussin daily until conception has occurred. The active ingredient in robitussin causes all mucous membranes to thin making fertilization easier. Of course this will not be effective if there are other complications present. For a normal woman who is having difficulty this is very effective.

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9:39 am, Sep 16, 2009

serendipity1

Dear Jade 99,

Thank you very much. How did you learn about this? Where or how do you recommend to increase woman's chance in conceiving for a woman at 41? I do not have a potential man to conceive with naturally? Is it realistic for me to get pregnant by the time I find the right man? Also I would like to store my egg at this age but need information on where? Is it expensive to do that?

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2:49 pm, Sep 17, 2009

kittys-spot

Do any of you people being so negative actually have children? For one, we are all adults so to freak out because of "improper wording" is a little childish.

Also, I have a child, and so I know that at a young age, children need love and affection and attention. They need open arms and somebody they can be theirselves around. Do you not think about the thousands of children out there that do need a home, that would give anything to have a place to call home, a warm bed at night, a dinner table to sit at with a real family. Some children do have issues because of what has happened, but at a young age, there is still time for change, and the biggest part of change is loveing and respecting them.

People want to make rude comments and act like these children are damaged goods that don't deserve the chance, but remember, it is not the child that asks to be brought into this world, it is the irresponsible person that has the child who should be criticized. It is not their fault they don't have families that love them. Every time my son is sick, every time he falls and hurts himself, or even when he just wants to cuddle and be loved, I think about how great it feels to be the person to make him smile, and then there are times I feel so bad for the little girl or boy that just has to suck it up and be an adult about it, even though they are little, because there is nobody there to tell them everything will be ok. I know it is not our fault, but isn't it a little messed up to "make" somebody else's baby when there are so many children out there that need a parent, a friend?
If people would start taking the children in from our country and taking the time to show them love, maybe the world wouldn't be so messed up. Most adult issues stem from not so kind childhoods.

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5:54 pm, Sep 16, 2009

EdmondDantes

kittys-spot: I very much liked your post. Thank you.

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9:56 am, Sep 16, 2009

CraftLass

I'm not having children partially because I do believe that we need to curb population growth (as well as much more personal reasons), but I have also supported people who were going through all sorts of fertility treatments. If everyone had at most one or two children, we would achieve zero growth without restricting anyone who wants children, the problem is hardly the folks who want a reasonable number of children but go to great lengths to get them, the problem is people who think it's okay to procreate like bunnies even thought most children make it out of childhood in this country and even more so in other first world countries. That is a whole other issue, though.

Wanting your own biological baby is a drive most people feel, it's how we came to be the dominant species of this planet (non-insect, at least). A few of us don't have that drive but the people I know who do don't feel that way out of vanity, it's a primal urge that their entire body is begging for. I also know, as a 30-something woman who has never given birth, that there are pains and troubles we go through that mothers never experience because our bodies are supposed to be baby-making machines, little reminders to reproduce that are quite annoying. Don't be so quick to judge people! Most are just trying to do what almost ALL animals live for.

I must say, while all sorts of fertility treatments have somewhat left the realm of the "weird" due to their commonality these days, they all DO seem rather science-fictiony. In fact, some of it WAS sci-fi before it was fact. Frankly, most of the people I know who went through IVF and the like mentioned it was a weird experience, especially when you really stop to think about what you are doing. If they can call it weird, I have no problem with a reporter doing the same.

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11:11 am, Sep 16, 2009

Masenkoh

ok... I'm sorry to those of you who I know will say otherwise, but... I think it is all just survival of the fittest... the fittest being those that can afford adoption, and those that can have children in a heterosexual relationship. From the dawn of time, it's been man and woman. There were gays and lesbians then, but of course, they didn't reproduce. They had not the technology because they wer not fit to do so. Now we do have the technology. But science has corrupted the world. That is why we are overpopulated now, because the fittest should have been the ones to remain, whereas science has given those not up to par for whatever reason the ability to stay in the race. And as the subconscious mind seeks to see it's seed grow, no matter what oreintation, sexuality, "problem", etcetera, you may have, everyone subconsiously wants their seed to prosper. That is the one thing we all have in commom. Despite it all, we all can agree to that fact. Please, don't take this the wrong way. I don't intend to hurt anyone.

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1:06 pm, Sep 16, 2009

mcmarvy

Nice dose of social darwinism. sorry but your argument is full of holes. First, humans are not soley biological organisms - we mediate our experience through culture, language and sociality - and by extension science, medicine etc. Science and medicine are but two the tools we us to survive -to enhance our "survival" to use your term. Without both I dare say that most of us would not be here some disease would have taken us off long ago [did you forgo those corrupt vacinations as a child?]. Second, gays and lesbians are biologically capable of reproducing - and they have done so for hundreds of thousands of years - it just so happens that we know live in a world that "allows" them to do so in a way that does not compromise who they are. Third, there are plenty of "unfit" or as you say "up to par" people - however it is you choose to define it- who manage to reproduce.

You have conflated the biological process of natural selection with a whole lot of social and economic constraints that have no basis in biology.

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9:00 pm, Sep 16, 2009

Masenkoh

what's a darwanism? biology told me that man woman=child, man man=? and woman woman=?. Then science told me the questionmark could be filled in with these various ordeals. So, man man=science(?) and woman woman=science(?), where ?= whathaveyou, times science to the variation of time. I hate science, to many equations.

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11:42 am, Sep 17, 2009
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