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Which Bank Could Implode Next?
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The G-20 leaders will meet in Pittsburgh Thursday to discuss slashing banker bonuses, but they’re focusing on the wrong threat. Nomi Prins handicaps who will prompt the next meltdown.
The G-20 leaders will descend on Pittsburgh Thursday for a two-day financial summit, just as they did in London this past April. Exactly nothing of note followed that meeting, and the assembled figureheads are already focused on the wrong thing for this one. E.U. leaders, including French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, have been adamant about the global need to address bankers’ pay. Sarkozy even threatened to walk out of the meetings if no agreement is reached on the topic of compensation. (President Barack Obama has said that he hopes the banks will curb bonuses before being compelled to—as if that will happen.)
There’s a far more immediate and larger threat to all of us: the trading strategies of the big banks that threaten to yet again cripple the financial system.
The E.U. heads have a point; insatiable bonus appetites spur risk-taking the way a gambling addict is driven to risk more money to win big, and it is maddening to know that bank leaders and their firms have had their bad bets subsidized by the public. But there’s a far more immediate and larger threat to all of us: the trading strategies of the big banks that threaten to yet again cripple the financial system.
Ironically, it was a year ago yesterday that Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, petrified that they’d be caught in the same capital chokehold that had eviscerated Lehman Brothers, begged to be reclassified as something more like a commercial bank than an investment bank so that they could tap money from the Federal Reserve. The tradeoff was that they had two years to tone down their riskiest trading, which involved borrowing lots of money on each bet. In theory, this should have reduced the chances that any of these “too-big-to-fail” banks would prompt another economic meltdown. The reality is that the threats are greater than ever. So let’s take a look at prospects for the six biggest players, and in true Wall Street style, lay some odds on the chance each will prompt some kind of new financial panic in the next year:
Bank of America
The nation’s largest bank has total assets of $2.3 trillion, an increase of 24 percent from last fall. But the amount of money it’s had to put aside to cover looming credit losses has grown by 56 percent. In other words, their ratio of bad assets to good keeps increasing.
The firm posted positive news recently, with net revenue for the second quarter of 2009 almost double what it was for the same period last year, but much of that was due to a substantive increase in trading profits. That’s the problem. With so much more set aside for losses, the fact that trading profits jumped means the bank, notably its Merrill Lynch division, is taking on too much risk. Plus, it owes the government $108 billion. Global Panic Odds: 2-to-1
J.P. Morgan Chase
J.P. Morgan Chase, the nation’s second-largest bank by assets (after acquiring Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual), didn’t declare as many bad consumer loans as Bank of America, but other kinds of potential credit losses have increased significantly.
Like BofA, the bank’s profits were up, increasing by 36 percent compared to the same quarter last year, led by record trading profits. On the credit and consumer side, the firm has had to set aside nearly $12 billion (or more than double than last quarter) for new and future mortgage and other credit-related losses. By relying more on trading revenue amid growing credit problems, J.P. Morgan Chase is showing a buildup of risk taking, while hoping for the best. Still, it’s doing better than its competitors, as it has the best federal guarantees behind acquisitions, and a slower increase in loan problems. Global Panic Odds: 10-to-1
Citigroup
Citigroup's total assets have shrunk since it went on federal life support (it leads the banking industry in government bailout bucks, at $398 billion). Though its net revenue has shot up significantly—trading played a big role as well. Plus, much of Citigroup’s surprise profit last quarter, after a staggering loss during the crisis period, was due to a $6.7 billion after-tax gain from the sale of Smith Barney to Morgan Stanley. Without that, Citigroup would have reported a $2.4 billion loss. Citigroup doesn’t have much else to sell, so though their consumer loans are doing a bit better than their competitors', they will have some very tough times ahead. Global Panic Odds: 3-to-1.









Time to join the credit union, America!
Credit unions are a joke. They are no different than banks. If their profits were truly put back in to dividends (interest) they would pay much better than banks that are paying huge bonuses to execs.
Besides, anyone can join any credit union now. I'm a member of the Postal Workers CU, and you used to at least have to have a family member in the post office, but they are open to the public for business now, and so are all the others.
What an irresponsible piece of yellow journalism. Shame on you.
The banks are stable and you want to create a run? How dare you intimate such nonsense.
Business is business. The govt needs to keep their socialist hands off. Do we really want a bunch of bureacrats telling business what their proft/ bonuses are? No. No. No.
Forget the credit union, time to Google "PROUT"!!!
I googled it. Now what? I like some of the ideas, such as global government and a global penal code, but that ain't gonna happen.
Someone needs to tell them to work on their web site, too. I have a 22" monitor, and 20/20 vision, and I can barely read some of the text on the front page.
Taxpayers bail out some of these banks
and like magic the banks report "profits."
Those aren't profits, those are infused taxpayer dollars.
Then those same bailed out banks have the balls
to deny loans to the very same people who's
money the banks received.
Should have let them fail in the first place.
Sounds like the blister might form and burst all over again.
Then what ?
What about the depositor's funds?
No, this would be the banks bailing out the banks. That's what the FDIC is. Just as the Fed is made up of and for banking interests.
The FDIC bails out the depositors.
Maybe we should give them all another 15 trillion dollars, right now. Lets make it an annual thing or maybe a trillion a month with a bonus around Christmas time. If these banks fail, America fails. Or maybe not. Maybe, if these banks fail, we don't have to give them 15 trillion dollars anymore.
Unfortunately, this is not the only period in America's or the world's history, where greed was rampant. The only difference now is that the greed is aided by the 20th century's most complex invention, the computer.
Couple that with the addiction problem facing all human beings, and you get the mess we are in right now.
There is no way anyone can stop this snowball down the proverbial mountain that is occuring within our financial system. If we curb one component of a bankers pay package, their lawyers will dream up another "loophole" and call it something else.
The problem is that this greed used to occupy the region which would be considered our "parallel" world. It existed, but also allowed us, the real people to conduct our lives with a minimum of impact from their greedy ways. Not the case any longer. The depth of their risk, and feelings of ownership over the monies entrusted to them has left no barriers or feelings of trusteeship on their part. Everything is game, and there is no end to the schemes and creativity of these financial engineers.
We have all seen the catastrophic results of these financial sleights of hand that now seem to be an integral facet of our monetary system. And with a very few amassing great buckets of super wealth, while the bulk of the population are making regular visits to civil courthouses answering summonses put forth by purchasers of bad debt. And then there are others who are there trying to save the roof over their families head. These are homeowners, and people who were once deemed credit worthy, not the habitually unemployed.
And then you have Dick Fuld, lamenting how noone understands him and his plight. The problem is not with a handful of greedy bankers, it is far worse and much more widespread. It is an achilles heel of the human race. It is the breakdown of humans respecting each other and advocting for one another. It is a gobal pandemic of greed, over- consumption and apathy.
History has shown that most great societies have fallen for one reason or another. Much has been written on the how's and why's. It's funny that a few greedy individuals who have been entrusted with the world's money supply could actually be the catalyst to the fall of OUR great society.
jeez....cheer up
stopper22:
And "let a smile be your umbrella!"
I hope you're joking...because I am.
Thank you Philosopher8. "It is the achilles heel of the human race. It is the breakdown of humans respecting each other and advocating for one another." Very well said.
Take it from someone coming from the inside of a global financial institution. There is a race to control as many of our finite resources as possible and a damn anyone that gets in the way. Damn any future consequences because its the next generations problem to fix, not ours.
We had a Second Gilded Age for the last 30 years, but it's over now. Just wait for these Wall Street banks to go down again, and that will be it. Another shock will be coming soon enough, and set the whole thing off in another chain reaction.
Prepare yourself as best you can, pay off your house if you have one and reduce or elimante as many debts as you can. "Consumer Economy" be damned, take care of yourself.
Sept/22/2009
List of things Barack Obama and the democrats must do:
1. Pass the Public Health Care Bill as soon as possible.
2. Do not allow lobbies to bribe our politicians.
3. Reform the Immigration System ( it really stinks ).
4. Reform the military.Reinstate the draft,stop the tor-
turing and killing;Stop shipping our prisoners overseas
to be tortured et cetera.Get out of Irak,Afghanistan,Co
lombia.The results are going to be worst than the
Vietnam fiasco!Prosecute ---> Bush/Cheney et cetera
5. Reform the banking system.Prosecute the crooks
and divide them into smaller banks.So that the USA
government will be able to control and regulate these
greedy crooks!.
6. Ignore those crooked republican senators.E,g;
Olympia Snowe got more than $ 5000,000 from
the Health Care Industry and who knows how much
more she got paid under the table.This Snowe is
making everybody believe that she is going to help
the democrats.But she is only trying to procrastinate
the passing of the Public Health Care Bill,in the end
she is going to vote against the democrats just like
the rest of the blue-dogs and crooked
republican senators;whores that had been paid by
Medical Doctors,dentists,hospitals,health insurance
companies.E,g; Senator Baucus got more bribes
than the others.This Baucus should not be in politics
he should be in jail.
The republican media is scaring the public saying that if the Public Health Care Bill passes,then the USA
is going to become a sociaslistic republic.We already have
the post office, police,fire departments,elementary schools,
high schools,health insurance for the young,health insurance for the old.Paid by the USA tax payers.
To lower the costs of medical services we need to pass the Public Health Care Bill.To stop the fraud being perpetrate on the USA public we need to pass this bill.
Medical professionals do not have ethics.We need to do
something about this problem!
Thank you for reading this.Phone call your
representatives, write letters to these politicians just in case it
helps.Do not vote for the republicans any more!
END!
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Citigroup is much more likely to fail than B of A.
Please show your work.
I don't care what happens to Wall Street, since I am in favor of public and non-profit alternatives to that system. When they crash again, just let them go down and set up a national banking system.
When the next crash comes, they might also consider the bad bank idea again, just dumping all the toxic and dubious assets there, including those from Fannie, Freddie, AIG and the rest, and then just have the government take over what's left.
We're toast. The BRIC countries will clean our clock because we have too much debt. Our much vaunted capitalist system has morphed into "corporatism." Our economy now resembles a giant Ponzi scheme. We have lost our mojo and it won't come back. Period.
If I bet of this can I still buy insurance from AIG?
Here's a Pulitzer Prize winning idea ...
Why not investigate the Biggest Bank Heist in History? ...
The Washington Mutual Bank Heist by a colluding
JP Morgan Chase and a corrupt OTS / FDIC ...
WAMUQ: Shareholder Information ...
http://www.wamu-shareholders-resources.com
http://www.wamurape.org
http://www.wamustory.com
http://www.wamuqd.com
Here's a Pulitzer Prize winning idea ...
Why not investigate the Biggest Bank Heist in History? ...
The Washington Mutual Bank Heist by a colluding
JP Morgan Chase and a corrupt OTS / FDIC ...
WAMUQ: Shareholder Information ...
http://www.wamu-shareholders-resources.com
http://www.wamurape.org
http://www.wamustory.com
http://www.wamuqd.com
How can people write thes kinds of articles with a straight face, and why do we read them? The information is so far from a real representation, and the logic is just basically absent. Loan loss reserves are reserves, not "bad assets" Increasing reserves is a good thing - we had a financial crisis, and reserve levels are based on much more stringent criteria now than they were a year ago. So there goes point 1 on BAC. Next inane point - "the fact that they had higher trading profits means that they are taking on too much risk" What? Do you have any idea how positive a trading environment it was in the 2Q? Inefficient markets and large spreads, along with recovering valuations. look at the high yield and investment grade corporate markets!! The next step UP will be when some confidence is restored in the housing market. It sure looks like that is starting from the housing data. BAC is a major beneficiary as the bank with the potential to capture the largest share of new mortgage originations, and to dramatically reduce the amount of new reserves it adds to the books. Why is the govt asking $425MM from BAC to get out of the loss sharing deal? Because it doesn't want out - the payments would have been great, and they realize the loss risk is going away. BAC 2:1 - that is not worthy of print.
I knew Citi was bankrupt before I even joined in 2005. Sandy Weil had fleeced and wrecked the company before anointing his personal lawyer to take over and hide the tracks (as well as personally continuing the fleecing for his own gain). I refer, of course, to Chuckie Prince. They've been living on transfusions of cash rorted from Arab royalty ever since. It's a gonna and should've been years ago.
@philosopher8
well said. Sadly after a lifetime in the financial markets I have to say I agree with everything you wrote.
It's quite clear from the way we have tackled this crisis that there is no moral backbone at the highest political or business level and having passed on the opportunity of a lifetime to set out on a different path, it's a downward spiral from here.
Thank you.
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