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Drop the Bomb, Obama

BS Top - Carroll Nuclear Gerald Herbert / AP Photo The U.N. Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution that is a first step toward Obama’s goal of ridding the world of nuclear weapons. Obama, who became the first U.S. president to chair the Security Council, says the measure will lead to tighter controls on weapons states and end loopholes exploited by countries like Iran. “The historic resolution we just adopted enshrines our shared commitment to a goal of a world without nuclear weapons,” Obama said Thursday. James Carroll reports on how Obama is following in Kennedy's footsteps. Plus, a gallery of U.N. moments.

At exactly this point in his presidency, John F. Kennedy did what Barack Obama did on Thursday—challenge the United Nations to eliminate nuclear weapons. Obama becomes the first U.S. president to chair an extraordinary session of the U.N. Security Council, with its nations represented by heads of state, not diplomats. As chair, it was his prerogative to set the agenda, and he chose nuclear non-proliferation and “disarmament”—a word that all but disappeared from the rhetoric of American presidents decades ago. It tips Obama’s hand that, because of him, the word disarmament is back.

It is not too much to say that the United Nations was founded to deal with the atomic bomb. In 1946, America still had a monopoly on the “absolute weapon,” but even U.S. statesmen saw the danger of an unbridled atomic arms race. The Baruch Plan supposedly intended to head that off by offering a mode of U.N.-based international control, but Baruch was doomed because it effectively took for granted that Washington would maintain “custodianship” of the bomb, while all other nations—including the Soviet Union—would forgo its development. The U.S. was proposing non-proliferation for other nations without actually intending its own disarmament. That has been the essential American stance ever since, up to and including Iran.

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But on September 25, 1961, President Kennedy proposed to set a different course. The U.S. and the USSR had come to the brink of nuclear war only weeks before, in the crisis over Berlin. (The Berlin Wall had gone up in August.) Both nations had just broken a moratorium to resume nuclear testing. It was the most dangerous moment yet in the Cold War. Kennedy went before the General Assembly and gave what may have been his most important—and now most neglected—speech. He, too, aimed to put nuclear weapons at the top of the global agenda. He proposed a five-point plan: End production of all nuclear weapons; prevent their proliferation; outlaw all nukes in space; gradually destroy them; and establish a permanent U.N. peacekeeping force.

That last point signals that Kennedy was serious, because it assumes some yielding of American sovereignty, which has always been the U.S. bugaboo when it comes to the U.N. Only an international body with real authority over all nations can supervise genuine nuclear elimination. The principle was crystal clear: Non-proliferation for others means disarmament for us. Kennedy not only knew it; he was proposing it. The day after his speech, he signed a bill that created a U.S. government agency to implement his vision—the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. Hawks in his administration hated the word “disarmament,” and wanted the agency named simply with the phrase “arms control.” But Kennedy insisted on “disarmament.” The principle would be reflected in the 1970 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is now a matter of law. No non-proliferation among nuclear have-nots without serious commitment to eradication by nuclear haves.

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September 23, 2009 | 6:11pm
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gak001

Excellent. It's about time. I'm surprised to see that Russia is so anxious, but it's expensive to maintain these weapons and I'm sure it's a burden that once lifted will free up funds for many other, more beneficial projects.

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7:29 pm, Sep 23, 2009

Bittle

I can just imagine that right-wing nut jobs are thinking Obama is the anti-christ cause he is promising peace.

The left behind series, seriously warped a lot of minds.

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7:31 pm, Sep 23, 2009

sophia5

"promising peace"

Admirable, but is it realistic ?
In life there has always been, and always will be, good and evil.
That's human nature.
There will always be an antagonist and protagonist.
Conflict is part of the human condition.
We don't live in a Kumbaya World.

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8:14 pm, Sep 23, 2009

JDK-JDK

What IS reality and what we WANT reality to be clearly are, a lot of the time, two different things.

How social progress is made is a mostly outlandish proposal is introduced, usually only outlandish because of the near impossibility of it being implemented, and you work your way to the middle... a common-ground.

'Civilized' countries seem to be pointing to nuclear disarmament, being that, as was said previously, the cost alone of maintaining them is very large.

I've said on here before, mutually assured destruction is only destruction... ALL is destroyed... mutually (lol). It makes absolutely no sense if we are trying to make as peaceful a world as we can.

You are very right... it is in no way a 'Kumbaya World'... but what does that mean? Does that mean the US should keep invading countries we don't think are operating the right way? Does that mean we should continue to destabilize regions of the world... making the nuclear option attractive to those we are fighting with? Should we continue to be ideologically opposed to what even our 'friends' think, still trying (and NEVER having succeeded) to impose our 'morals' on the world... causing more destabilizing?

We cannot continue trying to be the Father/Mother to the world. We should be more like a brother or a close cousin... accepting of choices made by those of our extended family but also giving a kind/helpful word should we think it is needed... not invading, shooting, killing, maiming... and then wondering why some think so badly of us.

Yes... there is human nature... of which both good and bad aspects of the human experience are included. But continuing to operate the way we have the past 30-40 years and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

I'm a fan of a third party (the UN) acting as a task force to see to nuclear disarmament. Less nuclear weaponry is ALWAYS better then more. The only thing the bomb brings is destruction and misery. The biggest mistake this country ever made was dropping the bomb on Japan (especially being that they didn't have to... Russia was nearing Japan and the Japanese were feeling the pressure).

We opened the door to the nuclear arms race. How about we close it, as well.

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9:14 pm, Sep 23, 2009

dirtyrita

>>"In life there has always been, and always will be, good and evil.
>>That's human nature.
>>There will always be an antagonist and protagonist"

not really. it's just human nature to judge it that way.

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9:50 am, Sep 24, 2009

Mauiboy

The sad truth is that the US and Russia can no longer afford to proliferate nuclear weapons systems. We are on the brink of becoming the world's largest debtor nation, so it's in our best interests to negotiate away these weapons and spend on domestic recovery. People should realize that poverty creates more terrorists than taking on those who "hate our freedoms" does.

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3:31 pm, Sep 24, 2009

Imonlyhere2hateU

Someone on a different article warned me about sophia5, at first I didn't understand why, but now I see.

It seems like nothing that Obama says or does, matters to the reich-wingers, I bet that If Obama saved a baby from shark, the reich-winger wouldn't approve of it for some stupid reason.

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6:18 pm, Sep 24, 2009

numonk

The Bible also seriously warped a lot of minds.

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10:05 am, Sep 24, 2009

Bittle

It goes without saying that the Bible warped a lot of minds.
Check out http://skepticsannotatedbible.com

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3:12 pm, Sep 24, 2009

sophia5

Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad,
but not with Chris Wallace.

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8:45 pm, Sep 23, 2009

Imonlyhere2hateU

Who is Chris Wallace?

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4:08 am, Sep 24, 2009

bhavanibbana

Chris Wallace is the boorish Fox News anchor who once suggested that Obama might not be president because the oath was not performed correctly.
A word of advice for the future: Try not to engage sophia5 and her seemingly unending supply of red herrings.

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9:20 am, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

"channel into a new direction" = redirection = sophia5.

Avoid intelligent arguments at all costs = sophia5

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9:06 am, Sep 24, 2009

mikefromArlington

Chris Wallace is a cry baby. Who would want to meet with him anyways?

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11:28 am, Sep 24, 2009

piktor

Yeah!

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12:01 pm, Sep 24, 2009

gandolf

Actually, a pretty good point. And Wallace has been distinguishing himself as one of the toughest and most even-handed interviewers, if not journalists, on TV today. No surprise, as his dad Mike, albeit a biased liberal, was still a terrific interviewer.

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1:47 pm, Sep 24, 2009

jds8181

What a tease. I was hoping for "drop the bomb" on Afghanistan. As in, nuke all these 7th century bastards. We'd be doing them all a huge favor anyways. It would be the world's largest single collection of martyrs in history. A one way ticket to paradise with Allah? Sounds like their own personal...heaven! Bring on the virgins!!!

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9:24 pm, Sep 23, 2009

selavy

Palin 2012, right?

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3:10 pm, Sep 24, 2009

neverlate

Obama says a lot of things, he just doesn't mean what he says.

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9:24 pm, Sep 23, 2009

amanda07070

Examples please.

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9:02 am, Sep 24, 2009

neverlate

He will pay for health care through eliminating waste, fraud and abuse

He will only sign a bill that bends the cost curve and does not add to the national debt (it is clear he will sign any bill he can call reform)

He was forced by circumstance into an "active government role" - like someone forced him to use tax payer dollars to buy GM for the UAW

He really does not know all these radical people who keep popping up from his past (ACORN who - "I did not realize they were getting so much in government funding")

Those are a few just off the top of my head

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10:20 am, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

"He will pay for health care through eliminating waste, fraud and abuse"
How is that saying something and not meaning it? No bill has passed.

"He will only sign a bill that bends the cost curve and does not add to the national debt"
I don't get this either. How is your example related to President Obama not meaning what he says? Ditto for your next comment.

The Acorn thing (and ONLY the Acorn thing) is unfortunate and true.

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3:55 pm, Sep 24, 2009

Farmer-Dave

"He was forced by circumstance into an "active government role" - like someone forced him to use tax payer dollars to buy GM for the UAW"

I believe the Bush administration was the first to bail out GM...

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1:39 pm, Sep 25, 2009

OldCrow

Another fairy tale.

Only those following the 'rules' would eliminate their weapons leaving rouge nations and terrorists with the only remaining nucs.

I wish there was a way to 'un-invent nuclear weapons, but there isn't.

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10:12 pm, Sep 23, 2009

bhavanibbana

You've merely rehashed the argument against gun control. Surely, you can do better.

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9:18 am, Sep 24, 2009

Farmer-Dave

"rouge nations" - are those the nations who paint their faces?

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1:39 pm, Sep 25, 2009

Soonchurcher

He is so full of shit! I am so sick of his me, me, me speeches and his continuous lies. His arrogance is just disgusting! This guy makes Bush look like a great intellect. For what he did to Poland alone should make him toast. What a pathetic weakling!

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10:28 pm, Sep 23, 2009

Ritarita

Why
Do you have
Church in your name?

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11:51 pm, Sep 23, 2009

piktor

Oh, yes. The ABMs nobody wanted or needed to "defend" Europe against Iran!

U.S. Hostile deaths Jan. - Aug. in Iraq:

2008- 201 military deaths in action

2009- 67 military deaths in action

http://tinyurl.com/yaaxnvl

Obama a coward?

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12:17 pm, Sep 24, 2009

JDK-JDK

What did he 'do' to Poland?

Is he a weakling because he hasn't started a war yet? Because, by now in his term, I believe the shrub had.

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12:01 am, Sep 24, 2009

piktor

Here's more from the Poland cowardice aftereffects:

"Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met Wednesday with U.S. President Barack Obama, then signaled he could support sanctions against Iran over its efforts to develop a nuclear weapon."- CNN

http://tinyurl.com/mpbudq

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1:04 pm, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

You may want to go to church "sooner" than later. Ever actually read the sermon on the mount?

What's he lying about? Please be specific.

There is no one alive that could make Bush look like an intellect.

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8:17 am, Sep 24, 2009

Mauiboy

Remember these are the same people that are convinced that Bush and Cheney kept us safe after 9/11, as if the first nine months of Bush's administration didn't count!

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3:21 pm, Sep 24, 2009

numonk

Yeah, sure fucked up Poland pretty well.
Makes the Partitions seem like a cakewalk.
I will admit, I am bothered when I'm referred to as "God's Children" in such context. That delusional, genocidal, deity has no place in MY family.

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10:09 am, Sep 24, 2009

GateKeeper

soonchurcher...put the jack daniels DOWN..you had enough to drink..

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1:05 pm, Sep 24, 2009

Rosenlundkv

Here we go again with another start that will not get finished. The Jr. President seems to be running for King of the World. Why would anyone follow him in the international community when he has thumped Israel, Dissed Poland? Russia is doing what they have done all along played like they are playing along and drinking to the US but in fact they will coldly say No when it is time for commitments. How much is this going to cost us. This has signs of world community on it that we are to pay for. It is time to leach this man in, he is a drunk with a checkbook.

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5:58 am, Sep 24, 2009

neverlate

This is why we don't put the Left in charge of anything in this country other than "bomb throwing." When will all this silliness end?

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6:36 am, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

The "silliness" will end when people like you open (or grow) your brains.

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8:19 am, Sep 24, 2009

neverlate

You prove my point. The world will always be full of people that the "Left" sees as "brainless." Just to clarify, the definition of "brainless" for the Left is anyone who doesn't believe in their hair-brain ideology.

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10:34 am, Sep 24, 2009

piktor

Hey, brainiac, it is "hare-brained"

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12:33 pm, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

I wonder where we EVER developed that attitude.
Your hero's and leaders:

Sarah Palin
Glenn Beck
Rush Limbaugh
George Bush

Your Followers:
People who think the above have brains.

Sorry, not time to give more extensive info, I'm in a rush. . . .

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4:15 pm, Sep 24, 2009

jazzsmith

In 1945, Germany was working on a trans-Atlantic bomber called "The Americas Bomber). It would deliver one bomb. No, it wasn't an atomic bomb - they didn't have that technology. It was a conventional explosive surrounded by highly radioactive pellets. Think about what a nuclear fuel rod is; pellets of enriched uranium or plutonium. That's what people in Tel Aviv should be afraid of. Imagine the death. imagine the panic. imagine the uninhabitable land for 1000 years. As long as there are nuclear reactors, we will never be free from the fear of nuclear war.

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8:18 am, Sep 24, 2009

bhavanibbana

To clarify, the project begun in 1942, and was not designed to carry one bomb, but a significant payload. The intent was to force America to divert air defense from Britain. A number of American sites were targeted, 21 I believe, a number of which were major manufacturing sites. This alone seems to discount your "one bomb" scenario.
The project was scrapped because they were unable to design a system which could carry a large-enough payload. However, the scheme would not have had the impact they woud have liked, unless a nuclear bomb was developed. Obviously, this was a concurrent goal, but Nazi brass were informed in '42 that such a development would take at least two years.
I was unable to find any reference to your dirty-bomb analogy, either. Could you point me to your source on that?

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9:54 am, Sep 24, 2009

neverlate

The only thing that will eliminate nuclear weapons is if someone comes up with a weapon that negates their effectiveness, or one that is truly more leathal. This is the human condition. Give one example where a significant nation has voluntarily disarmed.

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10:25 am, Sep 24, 2009

Machiavelli

A significant nation the IRA is not, voluntary disarmament was not the case, but the Good Friday agreement called for the destruction of arms. This act seemingly ended the armed conflict. It has been noted that since then, the IRA or its political wing, Sinn Fé©®, has won the peace. This is a message that could be applied at a global level. Win international political battles with words and not with the threat of assured mutual destruction.

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11:46 am, Sep 24, 2009

oldpunk

Now he has stopped plans for the missile system in Poland that did not work anyway, Russia has joined in with sanctions against Iran.It looks like the right time to try for getting rid of the Nuclear threat.
Perhaps if some Americans can pull themselves away from re-runs of Fraiser & MASH on TV they might see the cold war ended years ago.
I hope he does well & it works.

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10:44 am, Sep 24, 2009

winston1

Russia and China are placating him they know a fool when they see one. obama is known over in Europe as President Panty Waist.

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11:23 am, Sep 24, 2009

djanimaequeen

Your a sad pathetic little person.

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1:15 pm, Sep 24, 2009

oldpunk

How would you know what they think in Europe, Your too small minded to ever leave your country to know?

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3:56 pm, Sep 24, 2009

amanda07070

I have family members in:

France
England
Belgium
Spain

All of them say that the "buzz" about Obama is "THANK GOD someone with a brain and a heart is finally President over there".

Where did you get YOUR information from?

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4:21 pm, Sep 24, 2009

reality4all

Woo-hoo,France and Belgium like us now,as do Libya,Iran ,Venezuela,Cuba,Russia.The utopian society liberals dream about is finally whithin reach!With friends like these,who needs enemies.And to think,all we had to do was apologize.I think Chamberlain summed it up best,and i'm not talking about Wilt "My good friends,this is the second time in our nations history that there has come back from(insert evil country here) to (Pennsylvania Ave.) peace with honour.I believe it is peace for our time!!!We thank you from the bottom of our hearts!And now I recommend you to go home and sleep quietly in your beds." Fast-forward a little while and you get the blitzkrieg.We negotiate with evil and we get WORLD WAR II !
The u.n. is a joke,Obama is a joke,europe is a joke and pacifists are a joke.The only thing brutal regimes understand is force,thats reality.
Oh and by the way amanda07070,here's a few things President Obama has lied about;1."open and transparent government"yea right,2."line by line review of earmarks" he's spent more on pork than any pres. in history,3."lobbyists in his administration"4."troops out of Iraq whithin 16 months of his inauguration",hows that working out for him?I believe he's following president Bush's withdraw timetable if I recall correctly?This is just the tip of the iceberg and after only 9 months in office!Imagine the change he'll bring in the coming three years! Koom-baya,pass the hooka!

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1:00 pm, Oct 19, 2009

Greyfire

Well I hope this will be effective but to be honest anything the UN does has the staying power of wet toilet paper. That is not to say these are bad idea they aren't. We all want a world where people aren't dropping nukes on each other. But if you think for second that a UN resolution will stop anyone from creating Nuclear weapons your dreaming. Those that can will.
Noble goal should not cloud our judgment.

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12:13 pm, Sep 24, 2009

ThinkAgain

hese resolutions are worthless. Did they honor the resolutions against Iraq? NO. And they didn't give a damn that Saddam thumbed their noses at their silly inspections. Our libearls couldn't be bothered to complain about that. Oh No! All they care about is being liked by a bunch of despot dictators around the world.

If anything, all these resolutions do is tie our hands. Everybody else gets to continue doing what they were doing.

But hey, all the dictators who got their power by killing and keep their power by killing and oppressive, love Obama. Finally, they're getting a little respect!

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1:28 pm, Sep 24, 2009

crngndmhm

At least they try. Trying and getting no where is alot better than doing nothing and saying I told you so. Which is all you ever seem to do. Seldom do you contribute anything of use to this site. Your monkier Think Again should only relate to people who think they can have reasonable discourse with you.

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4:43 pm, Sep 24, 2009

reality4all

In this game there are no points for trying,only succeeding.

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2:28 am, Oct 25, 2009

ThinkAgain

I simply stated an opinion here, followed by examples supporting that opinion. What's so offensive about that, except that it doesn't match yours?

Sorry, but trying to belittle me for disagreeing you isn't what I call reasonable discourse. Maybe someday we'll accidently agree and I'll have the honor of "contributing something of use to this site" bestowed by your highness.

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6:13 pm, Sep 24, 2009

reality4all

Hey think again, isn't it funny how people on this site respond to facts with emotions,its not very challenging.

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2:53 am, Oct 25, 2009
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