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Morning Joe v. Glenn Beck
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Joe Scarborough called on conservatives to distance themselves from Glenn Beck—who’s punching back. Samuel P. Jacobs asked the GOP’s heavyweights to take sides. Mitt Romney did, sort of. The rest hid.
There’s a civil war going on between two big-shot conservative talk-show hosts and the Republican Party is caught in the crosshairs.
This week, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough called out Fox News’ Glenn Beck for hate speech. He gave 2012 hopefuls an ultimatum. “We’re going to have a conservatives’ honor roll on this show…,” he told the Morning Joe audience. “I’m talking to you, Mitt Romney, and I’m talking about anyone who wants to be president in 2012. … You need to call out this type of hatred.”
Beck’s camp responded later that day, saying Scarborough “couldn’t be voted dog catcher” and claiming “this loser can’t get any coverage.”
So are any of the Republicans’ leading candidates for 2012 responding to Scarborough’s call? According to a Daily Beast survey, not so far—and those who have are approaching the question very gingerly.
"If you ask me what does Mitt Romney believe," Romney's spokesman said, "I will tell you he does not think that Barack Obama hates white people, nor does he believe as Jimmy Carter suggested that people who disagree with Obama’s policies are racist."
Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who ran last time around and is seen as one of party’s best prospects, ducked commenting on the messenger, but tackled the message. “Mitt Romney is not going to get involved in a war of words between cable TV personalities from rival networks,” Romney’s spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom, told The Daily Beast. “If you ask me what does Mitt Romney believe, I will tell you he does not think that Barack Obama hates white people, nor does he believe as Jimmy Carter suggested that people who disagree with Obama's policies are racist.”
Scarborough applauded the answer, but maintained Romney did not go far enough. “It sounds like Mitt Romney agrees with me. It sounds like he’s distancing himself from Beck, which is good,” Scarborough said in an interview Thursday. But, he added, “I think Romney would be better served offering denunciations, not glib comments about talk-show hosts.”
During the 2008 campaign, Romney made good use of Beck’s shows as a platform for his attacks on John McCain. In a January 7, 2008, radio interview, Beck praised Romney for his tough television ads. “You know what, would you please say the next time you have an opportunity in an attack ad with John frickin' McCain when he looks at you and talks about attacks ads, would you just say, oh, you mean the attack ads that are now allowed because of McCain-Feingold?” Beck said. Just this week, Beck said in an interview with Katie Couric that McCain would be doing a worse job than Obama if he had been elected.
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Hippievet
I can't understand why anyone would have a problem distancing themselves from Beck. In fact, I'm at a loss as to why Beck is given any credence at all. He's the lead wingnut. Numero uno wingnutto.
sippewissett
Your problem is that you are a thinking human with more than a clue about who Beck is and what he represents. Those who folow Beck blindly are another breed entirely. He tapes into their anger (that ought to be pointed at Bush and the erosion of the middle class) and uses it to point at Obama as the fall guy for the failures of the last 8 years: http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/closing_the_book_on_the_bush_legacy .php
Beck is despicable and un-American. One can only hope that his sponsors continue to flee.
tankertodd
He's not un-American because he has views you disagree with, and the sponsors have not fled. Ratings are ratings. I am against anyone following anyone blindly, though. That's for sure. People aren't angry for the erosion of any class - that's liberal politics. Beck taps into the people who've been ticked at the growing role of government in our lives in the past 20-30 years. He taps into the Ron Paul anti-government base, which seems to be growing. I am increasingly sympathetic myself since our government can't possibly afford all the liabilities it's created.
Msbeachwood
Tankertodd, Would you mind expanding on where SPECIFICALLY the government has expanded its role in our lives over the last 20-30 years, and why you think people resent it? I for one am unclear as to what areas you are referring to, and since Republicans have ruled Congress for most of that time
it is a puzzling assertion.
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ConstitutionalRights
Msbeachwood:
Congress has been controlled by the Democrats for the majority of the last 100 years. Check it out, and you'll see they controlled the majority of Congress for all but a portion of the nineties!
As far as expanding the role in our lives, ask yourself a theoretical question and place it against history.
1) Are you FORCED to partipate in Medicare or is it a choice?
2) Are you FORCED to participate in Social Security or is it a choice?
3) Are your taxes "voluntary" or FORCED?
4) Are the plans for universal healthcare going to be a choice or going to be enFORCED?
Imagine yourself a high school graduate deciding that you just want to relax and "go walkabout" for a couple years, but you can't because you'd be fined if you didn't enroll in healthcare.
The last FORCED thing that we repealed was the draft, and that was done by a REPUBLICAN. If you check, the DEMOCRATS are submitting legislation to reinstate the draft.
Those are only a few things that interfere with our lives, not enhance it.
The bottom line is, we live in a "free" country. A country that was built by innovation and hard work, not daddycare and supervision. Every time the "group" tries to "take care of the little guy" they make it worse, not better.
Remember this, if the government got involved, your daughter wouldn't be able to open a lemonade stand on the street corner because she didn't have a permit, health permit, business license, contribute to social security, payroll taxes, sales taxes and soon health care. That is an exaggeration but I hope it makes the point. Stay out of my wallet. I'll take cafe of myself, my family, and pay it forward to those I can reach.
FreeDem
When I was kid virtually all hospitals were Public, some were managed as charities (the one I was born in was Jewish), a for profit hospital was illegal.
The top tax rate was 93%. If you built a business you reinvested in that business rather than take out large amounts and pay huge taxes.
Except for a few major Corporations most CEO's made 7-10 times as much as the,janitors, 2-300K salaries were a scandal, business was more vibrant than any time in US history, before or since.
Despite a high top tax 80% of all taxes were paid by Corporations, for most SS tax exceeded by far regular income taxes.
OSHA, and health regulations, were far more active than presently.
When Kennedy rolled back top taxes, CEO pay started to go through the roof, paid for in lower wages and higher prices for everyone else. About that time the talk was for deregulation, that increased from that time. To think that Government Intrusion increased would imply that there was no deregulation.
When Reagan all but eliminated Corporate taxes and top Income taxes, American Businesses looted the factories and hollowed out American Industry, CEO pay exceeded Corporate Profits. Investment into building infrastructure stopped.
fleetw1978
To say that the right wing fringe teabaggers and town hall yellers are just against big government and the growth of government is a smokescreen plain and simple. Perhaps a percent or two. Otherwise explain where these "anti big gov" people were including Glen Beck when George W bush sent 150,000 troops at 12 billion dollars a month to wage a war against a 3rd world country, IRAQ? Where were they when "BIG GOVERNMENT" took away our civil liberties with a ram rodded "patriot act"? Where were they when congress and Bush gave Telecom companies immunity from civil and criminal liability for illegal wiretaps? Where were the protests when the Bush administration was staffing the Justice Dept and post invasion Iraq with true blue GOP lackys? It's quite simple, teabaggers and Beck followers are anti democrat and anti obama. They most likely are racist as well but they would be doing the same thing if CLinton had won. The media wont tell it like it is either, they are complicit.
iralarry
Eykis121:
I sent an email to these folks you listed here. Let us see if any of them respond.
Jinglebob
Have another Cool Aid Wissett.
Fentro
Draw a line south of Philly, and let the so-called Republicans have it so they can return to their old south ways, because they can't let go of the fact that they lost the civil war (and the civil rights movement). How can the North secede?
Because as the Right's rhetoric rises rapidly rearward (in every sense, the psychotics who have infiltrated the Right are acting more and more like the Brown Shirts every day - in fact, even our country is succumbing to the same forces that created Nazi Germany). Beck is simply the mouthpiece for the deranged goombas that seem to want to be the only ones who have access to health care, savings, and the good life.
Shame on the dimwits who blindly follow the Right without question. These lemmings act like a retard parade, with Beck as the lead imbecile. I was a Republican for 8 years, but when Reagan allowed the wealthy an even larger share of the pie in the name of small government, empowering corporations to become a state-sanctioned criminal empire, I bailed. Any decent person who still clings to the Republican Party of the Lincoln era needs to go back to school and reconsider why they continue to follow such fools
gak001
Godwin'd.
isabella
And as the Left's rhetoric rises rapidly rearward,in every sense, the psychotics who have infiltrated the Democratic Party are acting more and more like the Brown Shirts every day - in fact, our country is succumbing to the same forces that created Nazi Germany.
The Right is out of power. Your paranoia reflects that of Democrats in power who have total control of the nation. Why are they so afraid of one individual who speaks his mind?
No dissent is permitted. People who oppose Obama - that is 50% of the population - are called racist. The President publicly denounces companies who send information to their customers that opposes his plans. Anyone against Amnesty for illegal immigrants is also called racist. The Administration asks for a list of people who oppose their Medical plan. The list goes on.
I hear Beck from time to time. His rhetoric is sometimes exaggerated. I certainly don't think President Obama hates all whites but the real fear of Beck is that so many people agree with him while the President's numbers keep falling.
How extreme is your own rhetoric? Anyone who disagrees with you needs re-educating. No dissent is permitted. Sounds just like Nazism - or Stalinism - to me.
MamaTink
You need to go back through your American History books. Let's review...The South was primarily DEMOCRATS during the Civil War. President Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN. The confederate "President" was Jefferson Davis and he was a DEMOCRAT.
I agree that Beck is an idiot and should be placed in a category all his own but who are you to judge those of us that would like to revive the Republican party of the Lincoln era?
Shame on those who blindly follow the far Left as well or any party without full understanding of whats what!
JohnnyAces
Let me get this straight isabella....are you actually equating calling the President a racist, a Nazi, and a communist as normal "dissent"? Should we not be permitted to call these people out for their hateful and hyperbolic rhetoric? It's wonderful that you admit Beck "exagerates", but that could easily be the understatement of the year. Regardless of what side you're on don't defend this kind of behavior. Don't even rationalize it by comparing it to what the idiots on the other fringe are doing. It only serves to continue the ugly spiral and reflects poorly on you.
Eykis121
Please do not include all of the South. There are MANY MANY PROGESSIVES. Our problem is getting these tired old white folks voted out of offices they have held forever. We are trying. Looks like some of them just need to die off. By that, I mean, of old age, like McConnell. et al.
ConstitutionalRights
Your comment about "old south ways" is interesting, especially because the KKK has a strong history in the Democratic party and the Nazis were left wing ,not right wing. Considering the unelected Czars, the push to pass legislation that no one has read, the gift box of cash they gave to GM, Chysler, AIG, the banks, and the stimulous money that has not spent a dime yet it makes you wonder, who really is the "wingnuts".
Beck is what he is and Barney Frank is what he is. but the difference is that Beck is talking about stuff (some dumb, some smart) and Frank is pushing and passing legislation that costs you and I decades of taxes. So again I ask, who really are the wingnuts?
newswoman
Show me the people who don't want to be FORCED to accept Medicare or Social Security? If they don't like these government programs, DON'T ACCEPT THE MONEY OR SERVICES. I don't believe people care one whit about the 'growth of government'. They are just angry about losing there pensions and IRAs in the economic crash of 2007, which is real. But it was Bush's doing. The Repubs have tried to blame all of it on Obama and the ignorant followers believe it.
FreeDem
Alas the poor Republican Elephant was supposed to remind everyone that they would never forget or forgive the Conservative, racist, religious crazy, hate filled, Gadsen Flag waving, Copperhead, traitors, that was the Calhoun Democrats of the Old South.
Nixon declared general amnesia and now the poor Elephant is representing a party of mainly those very people they were never going to forget, or forgive.
oldpunk
It is easier than thinking for yourself.
southernyankee
I always find it amazing that they call Obama a Fascist, a Nazi, a Marxist. All it shows me is that Obama can't be all of those things at once. My own mother lived under a fascist and it effected her father. Her father was a musician who had his own orchestra who played on the radio back during those days. When he wouldn't become a fascist he was fired. I don't think Obama has taken anyone's rights away to carry guns, lose your job or to yell and scream at town hall carrying rifles to inimadate people. I think morning Joe isn't going to see change. If you think its bad now wait til Quitter Palin gets into the run. She'll enforce the hate.
Eykis121
I guess the murder of the census worker is Kentucky HAS NOTHING to do with the Right? Hide and watch.
newswoman
The Nazis were right wing, that is Fascists, not left wing, which is socialist.
And it was the Nazis who were the Brownshirts, who disrupted meetings, jst like the Teabaggers. Learn your history. If you think Barney Frank is bad but Beck is good, then there is no hope for you.
camfield
Too many cowardly conservatives are afraid to alienate the massive flock of mindless sheep who listen to the snake-oil salesmen on Fox News. Beck and others pander the paranoia of this flock that is ever ready to believe in whichever Big Bad Wolf they are conjuring up at any given moment as the alleged source of everyone's ills.
There don't seem to be many stand-up individuals among the politicians thirsting for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination.
BullMoose
Beck is a typical whining, emotionally unstable wingnut.
His intellectual abilities are about as high as my Cocker Spaniels.
This guy is a hustling gigolo who will do anything, say anything, and take any political position as long as it is profitable.
Being a nutty Mormon, God knows how those secret "Temple Rites" have exacerbated his already fragile mental state. That fact is indisputable, as he sobs spontaneously, and distorts his face into contortions as if auditioning for Psycho4, or whatever number Hollywood is up to now.
Bottom line, give him Haldol, along with Cogentin to ease any Tardiff Dyskenesia side effects he may have.
Surely Murdoch has psycho insurance he can use.
Jinglebob
Take a dare...watch an entireBeck program, once a day for a week and then truthfully admit to yourself that the majority of the points Beck makes are right on the mark and is what the majority of Americans think now after nine months of BO when his vision has been fully born for all to see.
BullMoose
Watching Beck is no different than being a lawyer. You already know what he will say before the answer is asked for.
He is a cultist Mormon pimp, and will read any script for his bag of silver. Wonder what those apostate Mormon's do in their secret Temple Rites, maybe something along the lines of the pervert "Family" of C-Street?
Mauiboy
There is an interesting article in my hometown newspaper about Beck. This week-end is old home week in Washington State. It's about his mother's death and how he views it differently now than the media or the authorities viewed it back then. This story may give us a glimpse into the character of the real Glenn Beck:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/893746.html
iralarry
Here, eykis121 t the email reponse form 1800petmeds.com: "Thank you for your feedback. We value our customers and strive for exceptional customer service. For your information, we buy broad rotations, 6:00 AM to Midnight on cable stations and we do not have control over when and which shows our commercial will run. We do NOT specifically buy the show you are mentioning."
Interesting as this sounds like distancing but it is not our fault if we end up having our commercials air there is BS. Let me just take thousands of dollars and drop it anywhere, Say someone picks up some of this money and uses it to purchase a gun and uses it in the commission of a crime. Does that really absolve me of complicity in the crime?
sangamah
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winston1
I can't understand who would be on Joe's side, he's kissing behinds over at MSNBC to keep his job. Let's not forget G.E. owns MSNBC-PMS and G.E. works for obama. Oh what a tangle web we weave, Right Joe.
velvetsmog
If you're implying that Joe Scarborough can only keep his job if he acts more progressive, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Listen to the guy's show some time. He has a good audience and makes plenty of bank for MSNBC without kissing up to the left.
johnwr3
Joe is my least favorite ex-politician who used to be GOP. His ratings suck, he's on before anyone is awake for a very good reason. His co-host is completely unwatchable and her daddy's daughter for sure. The other night I woke up at 3am to get something to drink. I flipped on the TV and there was Joe sitting on the Seattle docks in the dark, enough said.
sophia5
Scarborough's correct.
Beck calling Obama a racist was outrageous.
Does Beck believe Obama hated his own White Mother ?
On the other hand, does Scarborough believe his boss
working for the Obama Administration might be a conflict of interest ?
mrcarter
Scarborough in an earlier time would have been one of those saying, no we are just being given a shower, as the gas was poured in.
Obama is a racist and a marxist, that comes from his own admissions and his obvious associations
RVGrandpa
And Roger Ailes worked(s) for?
Msbeachwood
Mr. Carter, Please site your sources. When and where is Obama on the record as a racists and a Marxist? Otherwise, you sound paranoid at best.
davereed
Johnwr3: "he's on before anyone is awake"? Joe Scarborough? Are you serious? He's on when MOST American's (those of us with JOBS) are getting ready to leave for work. I suppose you wouldn't know anything about that in your right-wing champagne-sipping, late-night-partying, waiting-for-your-chauffer, someone-else-wipe-my-ass world. Most Americans have to go to work in the morning. Some American's work mornings and nights. He's on when most Americans are able to watch for a bit. As for Mika, well she's an annoying whinny pain-in-the-ass.
-David
A former MSNBC view who's disgusted with the entire cable-news-network chatter and shut his cable off...
sippewissett
Wow. You uncovered ANOTHER Democratic conspiracy, but one wonders why you haven't channeled your conspiracy energy into looking at the connections between Cheney and his former company, Halliburton? There's plenty of footsie that's been going on there while Cheney was VP.
zan1960
Hey everybody, Winston can quote Bill O'Reilly word for word.
Eykis121
All the Fright-Wing Terrori Extreme Funies can quote all of them "word for word" -- that is the problem. These people are too stupid to even change the words around. They do it on talk radio as well.
gak001
Troll.
Msbeachwood
Please explain how it is that G. E. is working for Obama. Thank you
southernyankee
Winston, how do you know Obama owns GE? We can say that Fox is owned by the republican party, but that make it so? You need to get your head out of Becks a.s.s.
Eykis121
Geeze, and here I thought Obama owned Acorn - what a bunch of garbage, Winston.
donquijoterocket
GE one of the largest industries of the Military industrial complex works for President Obama? Oh that's right glennda beckerheads running mate blowhardbillowlielly told you that, right?
escomments
You really need to lose the attitude!
Jeffrey Immelt sits on Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board. He is know as a freind to this administration and yes, GE is up for many lucrative no bid contracts dealing with Health Care technologies. He has also been introduced to Vladamir Putin and may be in the running for contracts in Russia due strictly to his association with the administration.
http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSB688381
I know you don't see any conflicts of interest or opportunities for corruption in this relationship because clearly, Obama is your guy, but it's pretty obvious how MSNBC continuously falls straight in line.
I guess because Fox News' Bill O'Reilly has been raising some of these issues with GE that make it invalid.
Kind of a "Shoot the Messenger" kind of thing.
You might want to take your head out of your @$$.
newswoman
Winston, that is untrue about MSNBC calling the shots on Joe's show. Don't make up lies. Nor does G.E work for Obama. That's untrue and you know it.
At least on Morning Joe, they have newsmen, journalists, congressmen, writers from all spectrums of the political world and we hear all sides.
camper
What Joe needs to remember is that he works for the guys who pay Kieth and Rachel and Chris. He has no moral high ground. He is nothing more than the WWF good guy preordained to get his but kicked by the money maker bad boy.
Uncommonsense
Thank God people pay Keith and Rachel. They do not advocate hate. Unlike any Faux host.
Morlock
keith advocates hate. he does it all the time. ALL of the talking heads should be held accountable for what they say and they should be forced to fact check their "opinions" if they are going to be aired on any network which bills itself as "news."
theres a reason that CNN is running behind Fox and MSNBC...they don't have crazies spouting off anger and vitriol in 90% of their shows.
jpelhamtn
MSNBC is ONLY & ALL about hate. I think when you applaud those who advocated the assasination of President Bush...you long ago crossed the line of hate speech.
BullMoose
Do not despair. OLD man Murdoch will not live forever, and the Good Lord will give him his due. We all will be judged, and as fast as time flies, i doubt evil like Murdoch can find, or even want salvation. His God is Mammon.
Murdoch, Ailes , and the rest of the Pulpit Pimps all have a date for Tatarus, and well deserved it is.
themintz4
Joe Scarborough is a rare breath of fresh air amongst the zoo of Republicans who either encourage hate speech, or at the very least turn their backs to it. The party has lost it's way and it won't find it back, unless they listen to Joe's call.
Thinkpad12
Agree 100%. Spend a few minutes reading the hate-filled messages on the Fox News blogs and see what the Glen Beck rhetoric breeds among those followers. It's frightening. Joe offers a sane voice and a show that presents opposing positions in a civilized manner. Keep it up Joe!
jmullin
Joe S is a legitimate Conservative whereas Glen Beck is a race baiting bigot that uses hate speech and code words to excite his followers. He is morally bankrupt.
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Glenda1976
First Joe needs to break ties with Olbermann and that loon Ed Schultz.
jda1973
really...........you obviously dont pay attention.....Scar. and Olberm. are far from "tied" together........Look it up
frontman9000
Scarborough is a type of republican that is rapidly becoming extinct. He is pragmatic and thoughtful. He is a moderate who has his feet firmly planted in today's reality. He does not engage in hate speech and is quite reasonable in his assessments of our country's problems. Now, I am no republican, but I can watch Joe and listen to his viewpoints which I feel he represents articulately without coming across as a right-wing loon. He has a genuine empathy for working class people and the poor. If the GOP want to villify him, so be it! Then they will further sink into irrelevance and obscurity. I think Scarborough is as close to bipartisan as the current GOP gets and I hope other GOPer's will follow his lead. Otherwise, the difference between the two parties will continue to be miles apart with no hope of a bipartisan government that truly works for the masses they represent.
jpelhamtn
Exactly. Scarborough is an immoral air-head in love with his new celebrity and big pay check. Watching him now and then is painful. He is such an insecure little man.
BullMoose
Joe is just another gigolo.
ChrisKnight
Scarborough is right to notice that the issue here is obvious. Who is courageous enough to stand for something. Who will stand up to be counted. The broadcast of hate speech, inciting speech, character devaluing speech is, of course, legal. It is also contemptible. Those in the public arena who do not separate themselves -- politicians, networks, public figures -- have chosen to stand with the haters and demagogues. Hate speech too often leads to hate driven actions. Hate speech is dangerous and silence in the presence of hate speech is also dangerous. The question is, where do you stand. What is in your character?
ThinkAgain
The liberals have their panties in a bunch over Beck because he's gettting some hits. The whole racial farce is just that because they scream the race card at everything that moves. If there is an actual racial issue, it doesn't get any attention now because of their irresponsible reckless behavior.
Beck doesn't contribute to or promote the GOP. The same can't be said for the hate groups MoveOn and DailyKos. How about asking Pelosi and Co why they pal around with them?
mightyCW
So...Glenn Beck explicitly calls Obama a racist, and it's liberals who are playing the race card? Huh? That's to say nothing of the overwhelming angry southern whiteness and frequent racist imagery used by the townhallers, who (like Beckophiles) may not make up the majority of the GOP but certainly form its most vibrant wing nowadays. And attacking MoveOn and Kos...is it still 2003? If you're going to blindly accuse Democrats of "palling around" with eeeevil interest groups, at least update your memes by ranting about ourfuture.org or ACORN (and consider borrowing phrases from a more successful and/or intelligent politicians than Pundit Palin). I guess I could ask you to hold to even higher standards, like backing up your arguments with, you know, actual evidence, but they should teach you that after junior high.
nflackr
Actual evidence, would that be something like actual video footage of Obamas good friend Van jones racist statement like white people are dumping their pollution on black neighborhoods or Obamas good friend and pastor for 20 years calling white people the devil and were a country of KKKA, and these are only a few. or maybe actual video footage of Obama saying, " you can tell who i am by the people i have around me, So in his own words, if you suround yourself with racist, you are a racist, Come on Prez. you cant have it both ways
Rushbaby75
Glenn is exercising his freedom of speech. Just like you're doing here as you insult people who don't agree with you. The libs on Air America never have any trouble even wishing death on people. GROW UP you two-faced double standard libtard!
mrcarter
Beck just states the truth, hurts Huh?
If you need proof just liten to the dear leaders own words from his books.
If you cant see that this farce of a president is trying to put the finishing touches on america becoming a nanny state then you are one of those with eyes that will not see and ears that will not hear.
It's ok though, your not really stupid, it's just that you have been manipulated into being ignorant.
The conservatives who are aware of whats happening will save you.
ThinkAgain
mightyCW Have you ever heard of the crying wolf concept? You scream that everything and everybody who doesn't agree you is racism. Since that's clearly not true people stop listening to you because it's just another political tactic. It's called credibilty. You have NONE. So when you think you actually have some real examples, nobody takes you seriously.
If you have a defense for Van Jones or Acorn or the NEA guy or now the FCC guys. Present it. Attacking Beck is just attacking the messenger to distract from having to address those. Beck is a nut. He's a nut who caught bigger nuts. Those bigger nuts are being paid by the taxpayers and they're being paid to effect public policy. THAT's why they care about it.
dreaday19
oh, Rush... is libtard not an insult? Does that not make you two-faced as well? Think before you speak, please.
MrLyons
Dude. Seriously? It's the Liberals?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u98
Glenn Beck's words verbatim: "This guy is, I believe, a racist."
Projection is as pathetic as it is transparent.
VagrantPhilosopher
Now im not defending Beck but how can you say liberals havent been playing the race card? I mean everyone on the left and their grandma has called the 912 marchers racist angry white people. The only person on the left who hasnt is Obama himself, but god knows everyone from Nancy Pelosi on down has made some sort of allusion for these peoples disagreement about how government should be run into some sort of KKK march.
sippewissett
Beck screams the race card. He's the one who started the controversy, not Obama. Get it straight. Beck doesn't promote the GOP? Which Beck are you watching?
mrcarter
You have got to be kidding. Glenn started the race baiting? The presidents entire life has been devoted to getting back at the evil white devils.
Do a search for one of his poet buddies "Amiri Barraka" and listen to "Somebody Blew Up America" and "Why Is We Americans" and maybe things will be a little clearer.
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ukeman
moveon and Kos; hate groups?
oh yeah; Oreilly and Dobbs parroting; uh huh.
say no more.
ThinkAgain
Oreilly and Dobbs aren't entertained by Pelosi at her winery. They're not part of a daily conference call with Pelosi and Reid strategizing the dem next moves. They don't raise funds for the GOP....
Get my drift? They can sling their hate all they want. It's the people in congress paling around with them and taking their money that's the problem.
Uncommonsense
What a silly post.
frontman9000
ThinkAgain apparently can't think in the first place, much like the rest of Beck's puppets.
Msbeachwood
Mr Carter, sounds like you have read Obama's books if you are referencing them.
Please enlighten us further and cite page numbers so that we can see for ourselves that Obama is a racist.
carouzer
ThinkAgain--Clearly you didn't think the first time, never mind again. You and your buddies are Beck's favorite wet dream. Beck says outrageous things because he makes money doing it. The more off the wall he is, the bigger his audience of right wing nutters grows. He and Rush the magic pill popper have hit the motherlode--people like you who find it way too hard (or maybe just don't have enough brains) to actually take the time and effort to understand what is going on and look at both sides of questions. You find it much easier to parrot what this loonie (who is laughing all the way to the bank) tells you.
I'm not a Republican and I'm not sure I could ever vote for Scarborough for any office. But I give credit where it is due. He isn't afraid to bring people on his show who hold views that differ from his and while he may disagree with them he doesn't shout and scream at them. He also calls crap, crap--and that's what Beck, Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc., are. Too back the so-called Republican party leaders--McCain, Romney, Steele, Gingrich, etc.-- don't have enough good sense or morale courage to call these hate-mongers out.
teaparty
What did we think when the Ayatollah's never said a word to come out and denounce the hatemongers in the Islam religion? Well that's what it's starting to be like with the Republicans. Beck and his ilk are making money now, but it is demoralizing our country. He probably doesn't even believe the stuff he himself says - it's all about the money stupid. Joe you are at risk of being admired by liberals - the conservatives will react in an incendiary way to that.
dthillsr
I thinks it is great that there is a strong conservative voice that is not afraid to speak his mind on the problems in this administration. Joe Scarborough would love to have an audience like Beck's but he is not even close. The liberals cannot stand it when a conservative commands large audiences.
khepri
"Commands" a large audience is the right word. Good job!
donquijoterocket
I wonder if glennda beckerhead's audiences are as much smaller than spongebob aquarepants as are blowhardbillowlielly's whom the wingnuts also point to as significant because of numbers despite the fact he's never come up with any original analysis and seemingly is as thinskinned as an infant.I'kll give Scarborough this one thing over the beckerhead he's at least put his beliefs on the line in the rough and tumble of the political arena. What's the beckerhead ever done? Talk about someone couldn't get elected dogcatcher.I do understand his appeal to the lowest fringes of lower wingnuttistan.
zan1960
Cops and Judge Judy have high ratings too, so what. I predict Glenn Beck will end up in the nervous hospital by year's end.
ralphcramden
Actually, I'd love it if Joe Scarborough had a bigger audience, and I'm a Democrat. I agree with some of the posters upthread that he is an articulate and pragmatic voice of reason, and even though I can disagree with him, it's without the bile that comes with a Beck or the junkie.
reardongalt
TO THE MOON! RALPH.
If a Democrat likes someone and thinks he's "articulate and pragmatic voice of reason", it's because the guy is not really representative of the other side of the argument. In other words, for all intents and purposes Joe IS a Democrat.
Beck and Rush make "principled" arguments. The fact that you don't like them personally doesn't alter that fact.
reardongalt
Beck is right, Scarborough is wrong. If you haven't seen it, check out Katie Couric's interview of Beck. There are a couple of questions on this subject that Beck really nails. He forces Couric to visualize the revervse case of it being Bush, and the story is reversed. Like Bush spends 20 years in a white supremacist church, and then when his white friend is arrested by a black cop, Bush sides with the white friend and calls the black cop stupid.
Another great line was when Couric tells Beck she gets alot of questions and calls saying how Beck is bad for America. Beck answers, "You know, I get alot of emails asking me why I would go on Katie Couric's show, she's bad for America." It was beautiful, Ms Couric coudln't go on the next question fast enough.
Beck is the Man, or one of them at least. Get used to it. Scarborough is nothing. He's McCain-ish. He doesn't speak for us.
Who are "us"? You are in the process of finding out.
mightyCW
Beck misses and you ignore one critical difference between his hypothetical situation and the Gates case (I'll try to illuminate it with small words) : The US has no significant history of white subjugation by black police officers. Beck's though experiment would only be valid if blacks, after brutally enslaving whites for centuries, had spent the last hundred years systematically denying white civil rights, creating a social system in which far more whites were born into low-income, high-crime neighborhoods where both races struggled to overcome the legacies of racism. In other words, the exact opposite of real life, which aptly describes most of Beck's ever-changing beliefs.
In short, "you" are ignorant nuts with no knowledge of history and few rational views on US politics. You'll win a few local elections and probably a few more congressmen and governors, but with rising education levels and the gradual recovery of the economy "you" will fade back into angry internet message boards and the deep South in a few years. Have fun.
VagrantPhilosopher
So in your scenario white people will always have the specter of slavery over their heads?? If you want a truly egalitarian society, you need to focus on the present, not bring up the past and scream racism everytime something happens to a black person, injustice effects everyone.
reardongalt
mighty, so you're saying that it's ok for Obama to view this through the prism of race? Is that what you're defending?
isabella
Is President Obama (a descendant of slave-owners on his maternal grandfather's side) also required to perform the permanent mea culpa that you demand of all white people?
Permanent and collective punishment is medieval, unChristian and in your case, racist. You must also hate the Arabs and black Africans who captured tribal enemies and delivered them to the slave traders. Tell us by what method you distinguish a "good" black person from descendants of one of those?
Some blacks supplied slaves. Some whites helped to free them, but you cannot cope with such complexity. Have you ever heard of racial stereotyping?
Speaking of angry internet messages and small words, add one very simple mind - your own - to the mix.
dreaday19
sorry to tell you isabella, it's even a little more complex than that. As an example, you ought to know that in concentration camps, there were Jews that held commanding positions over other Jews. Why? To get a little more food, and survive. It was the same with the African slave trade, they would get goods - and in order to survive and not be captured and sold, they would capture others. The knowledge that people will self-preserve is a very useful method of control.
Now, as for galt (as in john galt, i can only assume), Obama wasn't in a black supremacist church, he was in a church on the south side of chicago, and I can only assume you (nor Glenn Beck) have never been there by this *ridiculous* statement. And, Obama said himself, that the cop incident was silly because it was in the man's home, not because of race. Those are your own (well, Glenn Beck's, and by the transitive property, now yours too) ridiculous words.
reardongalt
"Obama said "
I guess you don't read Rush's website. He had a great story line one day on the two most useless words in the English language (see quote above).
There are two sides to the story, even in light of the "inside the house" line. I listened to all of Professor Gates explanation of what happened and I agree is sounds reasonable. Then I listened to all of Officer Crowley's story,and that too sounds reasonable. Obama sided with the black guy, which in a way I also suppose is reasonable. I don't know which it is, but I could see it being either way: the cop acting like a cop arresting a black guy, or the renowned black professor being unreasonable and not respecting the gravity of the situation that the cop might be walking in to. Obama had no business drawing conclusions.
VagrantPhilosopher
So dreadday19
Its ok for black or arab africans to profit from the enslavement of people but not ok for white people to do it? that in itself is inherently racist
sippewissett
Beck gets emails saying Couric is bad for America? Why? Her only memorable "crime" was trying to have a friendly interview with Sarah Barracuda who misinterpreted Couric's questions as critical of her. That infamous failure of Palin to look even faintly ready for leadership steamed Right-wingers and made the rest of us grateful that Couric found out what a shallow numbskull Palin really is -- before the election.
P.S. "In a Bloomberg News poll this month, Palin had the highest unfavorable ratings among a list of public figures, at 55 percent."
reardongalt
You keep telling yourself that. You may actually believe it someday.
Hang on to your hat.
Uncommonsense
Yes, the haters hate Couric because she asked St. $arah hard questions. After all, how could $arah be expected to know what newspapers she reads?
jpelhamtn
Palin dismissed Couric's elitist self-importance...what arrogance asking someone like Palin what she 'reads'?!! Palin of course has achieved far more in life than Couric could ever hope...and spent 12 years in elective office...far longer than Obama & Abraham Lincoln put together. What did Couric think she read to be a business owner, Governor, Mayor and a corruption fighter. So big deal, Couric reads THE NEW YORKER & Palin doesn't it.
ukeman
yeah; your one of the 1.7 million that lying, hating Beckster quoted on the circle jerk show' Fake and Friends.
Let's see, subtract 70,000 (a high estimate) from 1.7 mil.
hhmm, that's a lot of bull pucky rear dong.
Southpaw
Yikes! Is this what comes out of the American education system. Sad state of affairs.
Msbeachwood
HUH? If you are going to post here, you should be more coherent.
jpelhamtn
About time that insipid Couric was challenged. Has there ever been anyone paid so much who knows so little as Couric and Scarborough? Oh, sorry...I forgot about Tom Brokaw. lol
jomama
Olberman is a partisan editorialist. Beck is a complete wingnut. There is a difference. As much as Joe is kissing liberal butt, his point is perfectly valid. I have many conservative views, but the conservative party of the last 10 years has been so full of crazy people that I would never dare vote for them. Mitt Romney would be a good candidate if he were not so woefully out of touch with America, and if you ask me, himself. Mitt belongs in 1972.
coltraning
Absolutely well put. Olbermann is a fierce partisan, but Beck is a hate-mongering demagogue. The folks throwing around words like Mazi, socialist, fascist, etc...have clearly no understanding of the meaning of those words, and when they sputter and scream, and then this eminently calm and brilliant man speaks in thoughtful and rational language, they just seem unhinged. This is somewhat about race, but it is even more about two things: The old right wing play book of non-stop demonizing of the opponent that began with Dukakis and was honed to a fine art during Clinton, and the fact that it utterly explodes their caricature of the foaming and stupid black man to see someone as president who is clearly smarter, calmer, more rational, better-educated and better spoken than any of them can ever hope to be. Lastly, for the true foamers out there, the fact that Obama's mama was a white woman impregnated by an African is beyond maddening.
Interesting factoid: In the confederate South Obama's approval rating among white men is under 10% and among whites it is 13%. Rest of the country? 53-35% approval rating among WHITES...you tell me there is no racial aspect to that? The other obvious flashpoint is education. The group that hates Obama the most (look it up) older, white, southern, religious gun-owning males with no high school diploma. So yes, if you are a stupid and uneducated older white southern male, you probably do hate Obama and are easy pickings for the Father Coughlins of our time, the kind of demographic, by the way, of supporters of Hitler and other demagogic fascists over the years from Huey Long to George Wallace
That is yet another reason the "fascist" label is so obscene and moronic. Fascists do not tend to like bi-racial, thoughtful and highly nuanced thinkers who want to find common ground...
kscr14
Beck is insane. I loved listening to him until a few years ago he just fell off the deep end. All of a sudden he was fanatical.I miss the old Glen Beck.He made me think, act, care and react. This Glen Beck is off the charts insane. I cannot respond to hate.Get some meds and come back to the real world Glen Beck.
reardongalt
He's the same guy. He doen't hate. The hate is all on the left.
Uncommonsense
The hate is on the left side of Beck's brain? Then the right side must have been surgically removed, because all he does is hate and stir up ignoramuses to do the same.
hithere3
you're right. he doesn't hate. he just cries and whines like a little baby.
progressiveaggressive
Not an"objective" statement.
Not a "rational" statement.
Guess that just makes you another poser cherry picking ideas to reinforce your pre-existing beliefs.
Bet you do it with Paine and the Constitution as well.
Pathetic.
frontman9000
Yes, all the hate is on the left. After all, we murdered Dr. Tiller, we hung a census worker, we shot the police officers in Pittsburgh, we opened fire at the Holocaust museum, we carry around racist signs at rallies, we scare people with paranoia and fear-mongering, we hijacked Jesus Christ and religion in the name of intolerance.
Yes, the examples are quite clear. Democrats are the party of hate!
VagrantPhilosopher
Frontman
Democratic party convention 1968.
Oh, and all your examples are from a few mentally disturbed individuals, the pro lifers were the very first group condemning the shooting. No one knows who actually hung that census worker, you dont know detective dip shit, it could have easily been a personal score made to look like politcal kill, no rightwing nut is going to go for a census worker, im a census worker, its just a job where you dont even really have a day to day office. The left uses paranoia and scare tactics all the time, gun control, the war on drugs, healthcare (needs reform but they act like the world will end if something isnt done RIGHT FUCKING NOW)
And the evangelicals have always used jesus as political means to further their agenda left and right, thats why we always need to be vigilant to maintain secular government.
Could you point me to the pittsburgh story?
khepri
Unless, of course, the "real world" is also on meds. Maybe you just want him to return to the well established rehab center known as representative democracy.
sippewissett
Beck won't "get some meds" because he has "bucks" as a substitute. Beck is all about the ratings. Ratings = money.
In turn, Murdoch encourages Beck to say anything he wants, regardless of how extreme because Murdoch loves $$$ and the Right Wing.
xlntcat
You mean before he fell of the wagon and reunited with his best friend, cocaine.
reardongalt
Joe Scarborough is on MSNBC. He's a clown.
ROTFLMAO!
Joe the clown wants to know where the Republicans are, where the Conservatives are. What makes him think we're the Republicans or Conservatives?
We don't accept his labeling.
Uncommonsense
Too bad you never learned how to read, either. If you get someone to read the article to you, you will learn that Scarborough was talking about the Republican party, not you.
Glenda1976
Beck has more viewers than Scar, Olbermann & Schultz combined.
amanda07070
There should be a show "America Loves Crazy People" because apparently Glenda, they DO. The fact that Bush was (not really) elected proves how stupid most American's are and how lazy liberals are (sorry fellow-libs). Why watch reasonable shows when you can crack open a beer, put your McDonalds Big Mac on a paper plate, stick your hand down your pants and be "entertained" by a non-thinking, rage-filled psychotic idiot like Beck?
VagrantPhilosopher
Actually amanda, if you look at numbers, Bush did win, talk about sore losers.
tblunt
Beck is very successful in the right wing cable niche market...But Katie Couric on the CBS evening news has 100% more viewers than Beck does, every night.
frontman9000
Glenda1976
Beck has more viewers than Scar, Olbermann & Schultz combined.
Yes, and McDonalds is much more popular than Saladworks. Does that mean it's better for you? Islam has more followers than Christianity so I guess it means that it is more rooted in truth? Alcohol is more popular than orange juice so we should drink more beer?
That's a moron's arguement! Clearly, you are moron since you associate intellect with popularity!
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donquijoterocket
Andthere are more fords and chevys on the roads than Ferraris, but you being an american I don't expect you to understand excellent automobiles either.
amanda07070
When the "numbers" are incorrect because of faulty voting machines and stupid people who don't know what they're checking off, they don't count (correctly, that is).
And if you're talking about sore losers, you guys are head and shoulders above the libs when it comes to crying and whining. These posts are busting at the seams with them.
amanda07070
frontman - excellently put.
VagrantPhilosopher
OH really amanda? i dont remember people throwing eggs at Obama's motorcade? what do you have, a two year memory?
reardongalt
"When the "numbers" are incorrect because of faulty voting machines and stupid people who don't know what they're checking off, they don't count (correctly, that is). " amanda
Amanda is an example of one of the worst kind of idiots you see on these boards. She's the kind of moron who knows nothing whatsofuckinever for herself, but spouts the most rediculous talking points her and her girlfriends come up with. Usually, they heard it from some other idiot like Jon Stewart or David Letterman, or some other braindead source of material.
During the 2000 election I was on the west coast. I happened to be working late everyday (equiv. to midnight east coast time), and had alot of wait time, so I spent alot of time following the details of the Florida debacle. Everything.
I would sit there and print and read all the legal arguments and all the Court Decisions. I had hours recorded of Judge Sauls (a Democrat) famous case, the Florida Supreme Court Decisions, Gove vs Harris, Gore v Harris Florida Supreme Ct, Bush v Palm Beach Canvassing Board, McDermott v Harris. And ultimately the Supreme Court's final ruling.
I read them all, and I'm going to simplify it so that even an imbecile like Amanda can understand it.
This is the general drift of what happened.
1. Florida count too close to call during regular election. Gore withdraws his concession to Bush.
2. Dems send a team of lawyers to Florida to 3 heavily Democrat districts to "farm" for votes. Their obvous intention was to steal the election.
3. Recounts in those districts confirm Bush won.
4. Dems not satisfied, want more recounts.
5. Some more selective recounts take place, everybody is suing everybody. Bush still wins another recount.
6. Deadlines are met. Harris says "that's it, no more counting". I yell "Fuckin' A!!".
7. Gore does some more suing, he wants another recount of all the votes in those heavily Dem districts. Judge Sauls (a Democrat) rules in Bush's favor.
8. Florida Supreme court rules in Gore's favor.
9. Bush's lawyers take it to the Supreme Court. All the votes are put on a truck heading for DC.
10. Supreme Court rules that the Equal Rights Clause says that if you want to count those districts over again (a 4th time) by hand, you have to recount the whole state by hand.
11. There's only a couple days left, so that means that type of recount impossible time-wise, therefore Gore resigns.
12. Four separate independant recount after the election all show Bush won....DUH!
13. Dems pissed because they didn't get away with stealing the election. They initiate the "Secretary of State Plan", and use it successfully to steal the Senator's race where Franken wins.
14. Amanda is stuck with head up ass, because she doesn't know the meaning of the word "research". Too busy watching Oprah.
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n--Y--morecowbellcoltraning
Yup...about 3 million. That is 1% of the American public. I will go even further out on a limb. I will say that about 15-20% of the American public is made up of older, white, uneducated southern gun-toting racists. Take the South out of the equation, the figure is about 5%, so I have no doubt that about 30-50 million folks are sympathetic to Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly and other haters of the right. That means about 250-270 million are not. The fact is, progressives and moderates watch less cable news and listen far less to talk radio. The fact that between 55 and 67% of Americans polled just now, after all the months of hate and town hall lies, STILL support a public option in health care. The same folks also believe Elvis is still alive, the moon landing was faked and that evolution is a lie, so consider your sources...
reardongalt
"They certainly don't watch,
when they do, morons like Beck
to tell them what to think." cowbell
Cowbell, you're revealing too much. WE don't let ANYone tell us what to think. You do. If we watch or listen to someone consistently, it's either because we agree with them, or we're curious what the enemy is doing and saying.
progressiveaggressive
Would you accept-
pseudo-intellectual?
ignorantly smug?
self-deluded?
myopic?
emotional terrorist?
nihilist jerk?
neverlate
The whole political environment has turned a debate about serious issues into an ad-hominem oleo of a slug-fest. The only logical thing to do is to pass a constitutional amendment to dissolve government and ban all political discussion. Ironically, the only thing worth taking away from this discussion is Glen Beck's little frog joke.
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