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Incest's Defenders

BS Top - Huff-Hannon Incest Virginia Sherwood, NBC NewsWire / AP Photo Mackenzie Phillips' "consensual" affair with her dad shocked many, but she's hardly alone. Joseph Huff-Hannon talks to people who say their incestuous relationships are none of your business.

The notion of intra-family sex has inspired—and revolted—onlookers from Oedipus to Deliverance. It's our society's No. 1 sexual taboo, and for good reason: Children of incestuous parents have a higher than normal rate of birth defects and congenital diseases. But even more destructive can be the psychological trauma of incest, especially to the young person engaging in it with his or her mother or father.

So when singer and actress Mackenzie Phillips admitted last week that she carried on a decade-long sexual relationship with her father, John Phillips of The Mamas & The Papas, the collective gasp was both predictable and promotional. (Phillips' new book, High on Arrival, hit stores September 23.) Dropping the bombshell on Oprah last week, Phillips largely defended the sex with her dad as consensual, though she's since pulled back somewhat, saying it started as molestation before becoming consensual about two years into it.

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But Phillips' claim that she was a willing participant didn't temper the outrage—in fact, it fueled the fire. Bloggers and commentators came out in force, and largely on one side of the issue, describing the many ways in which an incestuous relationship, especially between parent and child, can never be consensual. "Nope. Not consensual. Not even close," wrote a Huffington Post editor. "She was 19 and drugged out of her mind and her father raped her."

Mackenzie’s revelations are the latest in a string of high-profile, often garish cases of father-daughter incest, often involving clear signs of abuse, manipulation, and violence. So it hardly took her admission to reignite a firestorm over the legal, social, biological, and moral impropriety these relationships kick up, since the term "incest" most often conjures an image of a sexually exploitative relationship between an older male relative and a young girl. But perhaps proving that there's an interest group for everything, there is a small and vocal community, mostly found in online chatrooms and forums, that says incest is far too broad a term to describe a wide variety of relationships that involve consenting adults from the same family.

“For some reason Mackenzie's story bothers me a lot," says "LiLoLita," a poster on the conversation forum at GeneticSexualAttraction.com, a Web site for people who share an experience known as genetic sexual attraction (GSA). "Perhaps because I have a wonderful relationship with my daddy and don't wish to be associated with someone who claims to be raped."

“I have a wonderful relationship with my daddy and don't wish to be associated with someone who claims to be raped.”

GSA is characterized as an intense emotional and physical attraction between two family members who've been separated for many years, often from a young age, and upon reunion, all of the emotion of loss and separation is sometimes channeled into a sexual or romantic relationship. Hardly any scientific research has been conducted into GSA, and some psychologists believe it's a myth. They caution that psychologizing GSA risks normalizing it, making it something to be worked through, like post-traumatic stress disorder, rather than a destructive crime like abuse.

While GSA relationships are still broadly defined as incestuous, and are illegal in most states, at least one member of the GSA chat forum with whom I corresponded stressed that they don’t see their relationships with a family member in the same light as the Mackenzie Phillips story.

“The GSA Soup is one with many exotic ingredients, simmering away in a liquid of human emotion,” writes "Lost Sister," a frequent poster to the site who lives in Australia. She was separated from her biological brother at a very young age, and was reunited with him in her 20s, when she fell deeply in love with him. Although he didn’t share her feelings, this deeply emotional and unsettling experience pushed her to seek out others who shared the experience.

“The Web site was a blessed relief for all of us going through this. Yes, sex is occurring between genetically / biologically related people, but GSA is something much deeper that that. The sudden flood of love is overwhelming, and not having learned what to do with that love in it [sic] proper context, the tendency to sexualize it arises.”

Other posters to the site talk openly about what they see as healthy relationships with siblings, cousins—or parents.

“After being reunited with my dad after so many years, not seeing him since I was a baby, I never thought that our relationship would take the twists and turns that it has,” writes "BlueSky" in a post dated to 2007. “I didn't mean to fall in love with him, and we didn't meant [sic] to fall in love with each other, but it happened and we are happy and comfortable with the relationship that we have. The physical aspects just makes are [sic] love even more deeper.”

According to the Rape Abuse & Incest National Network, incest is any “sexual contact between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal (e.g., parents and children, uncles/aunts and nieces/nephews, etc.)” This would also be the case for cousins in 24 states. And while the idea of kissing cousins inspires in many a less visceral reaction than kissing parent and child, the taboo appears to have a particularly American genesis, as no other Western country bans the practice. It's this taboo that the many visitors to the Web site CousinCouples.com are well aware of. Some of the language used in recent posts sounds like earnest demands for the civil rights of a wronged minority. “Personally it doesn't matter to me what people think. This is my life and my happiness,” writes "FirstCousinsWed" in a post from September 22. “Of course it's easier to hide than being a homosexual or marrying outside your race. I love my cousin so much that I am not ashamed of it. I don't broadcast it, but to those I choose to tell if they don't accept it that's their problem—not mine.”

These incest defenders have occasionally had sex researchers on their side. In 1980, psychologist John Money of Johns Hopkins University was quoted in The Politics of Survivorship: Incest, Women's Literature, and Feminist Theory as asserting: "A childhood sexual experience, such as being the partner of a relative or an older person, need not necessarily affect the child adversely." Further back, Wardell Pomeroy, co-author of the original Kinsey Reports, stated that incest "can sometimes be beneficial." More recent studies have shown that distant cousins who procreate have the highest chances of success at pregnancy. These researchers are in the minority of their professions—most agree that incest can be psychologically harmful, especially in the context of a child-parent power dynamic.

Still, incest's defenders are adamant. On one forum about the subject, a poster posited the question: "How common is incest? I mean, I have thought about it before with my dad. Is it normal?" One of the top responses? "If you want to have sex with a close relative, go ahead and enjoy it—just don't tell anyone about it."

Joseph Huff-Hannon is a Brooklyn-based independent writer and producer, a 2008 finalist in the Livingston Award for Young Journalists, and a 2008 recipient of a James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. See more of his work here: www.josephhuffhannon.com.

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magentagreenx

well, the term 'cousin-fucker' had to come from somewhere.

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2:15 am, Sep 29, 2009

Maezeppa

25% of the world's marriages are between cousins. That's NOT INCEST. Incest is in the line- grandparents, parents, siblings.

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10:10 pm, Sep 29, 2009

djanimaequeen

Then 25% of the world's marriges are incestuous. Hello! Have you ever heard of hemophilla? It came from generations of royalty marrying their cousins! Science has proven that genetic variation is GOOD thing. I don't know what's worse, incest or the fact that you are defending it. Ewwww.

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12:25 pm, Sep 30, 2009

altarguild153

This writer is just stirring up a lot of talk about unhealthy relationships; the pro-incestors are in denial about the betrayal they have felt. The fact of the age differences mentioned here indicated illegality. Just because a specific act isn't openly acknowledged doesn't mean it's appropriate.

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2:27 am, Sep 29, 2009

Embers

I hope this remains taboo. There is a huge difference between consensual and rape.

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6:36 am, Sep 29, 2009

bigwurzz

I agree, it grosses me out, but if is consensual I could care less what other people want to do to get off. It is not my life.

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12:21 pm, Sep 29, 2009

mjprocko

are you saying you don't want rape to be taboo?

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9:01 am, Sep 30, 2009

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7:25 am, Sep 29, 2009

spotted

Exactly! One is a critical issue of boundaries; it is clearly and unequivocally inappropriate and harmful behavior that is irrespective of genetics. The other is a solely a genetic issue.

While both need to be discussed, combining them together diminishes the outrage we all should have over a parent (blood or otherwise) abusing a child.

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9:57 am, Sep 29, 2009

BioProf

Data shows that the genetic effects are minimal, unless continued over generations. The evil lies in the distortion of the power/nurturing relationship between parent and child.

However, beyond parent/child, there is no logical reason to condemn other matings among relatives. But intuitively, we do. Wonder why? Is it an evolved taboo in our brains or a strong societal imprint?

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10:52 am, Sep 29, 2009

Genni2002

Thanks connie (and her responders). That is what I was having trouble with when reading this article, scientific issues vs. abusing ones close relationship (particularly that of the care giver, disciplinarian and authority figure).

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1:33 pm, Sep 29, 2009

simplicity

The psychological needs of the child are not addressed and the boundaryless behavior of the adults involved.

The only, "debate," or discussions I've read involves the amount of jail time Polanski should receive.

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8:10 am, Sep 29, 2009

Picachu

Sorry, but Polanski did not involve incest. While I am not arguing your point it is not really a part of this discussion.

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8:48 am, Sep 29, 2009

Picachu

Considering the power a parent has in the relationship, it is difficult to imagine a sexual relationship between parent and child ever being truly "consensual". Even if it might lack force as an aspect of rape, it is the result of coercion. While a relationship between cousins would lack this aspect one would have to consider the biological risk to any offspring produced. However, a relationship between cousins was probably never outlawed in other western countries because marriage between cousins was one way the royalty kept the line going.

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8:47 am, Sep 29, 2009

djanimaequeen

You mean like how the Romanovs kept the line going? Even if they had not been executed, the sole heir was a hemophilic, the forth generation of a family that married their first cousins (his parents were cousins, his grand-parents, and his great-grandparents, Queen Victoria of England, were all first cousins). The reason why royals married their cousins was to keep the money in the family not some form of eugenics as your post would suggest. Incest is BAD. Marrying your cousin or any relative is gross and runs contrary to nature. Period. Moreover, I agree with posters on here that a father having "consensual" sex with his kid is never consensual because of the influence a parent has over their child.

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12:36 pm, Sep 30, 2009

Barleymash

You forgot Rudi Giuliani. That's a pretty big oversight for an essay that stretches itself thin enough to smear Woody Allen and Soon Yi, who not only don't share blood, but don't share ANY form of familial relationship whatsoever. They're not even the same race. Yet Rudi married his first cousin and doesn't even get a nod? Who writes this crap?

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9:24 am, Sep 29, 2009

Ritarita

I think it was
His second cousin
And childhood friend.

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9:38 am, Sep 29, 2009

Barleymash

My apologies. You're right. But that makes Rudy only slightly less creepy. He's still infinitely creepier than Woody and Soon Yi, or even Morgan Freeman.

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3:48 pm, Sep 29, 2009

Carole65

What about Franklin D Roosevelt and Eleanor?

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8:13 pm, Sep 29, 2009

Barleymash

Franklin and Eleanor were fifth cousins. They shared a common what... great-great-great-grandparent in 1640? Virtual strangers.

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8:48 pm, Sep 29, 2009

djanimaequeen

You all are sick for arguing semantics. A cousin is a cousin is a cousin and it's still disgusting!! If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times: Genetic variataion is good for the species!!! Incest is NOT. In plain terms, don't be surpised when you marry your cousin, that your kids comes out with one eye and webbed feet! Yuck!

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1:30 pm, Sep 30, 2009

Barleymash

That's ridiculous. A cousin is a cousin is a cousin? The person sitting next to you on the train might be your fifth cousin and there's NO WAY IN THE UNIVERSE you would even suspect it. Do you check every lover's genealogy back 200 years before sleeping together? No? Sinner. Geez.

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9:38 am, Oct 1, 2009

Veronicaxy

Can we see studies cited that back the claim incest isn't harmful?

Random quotes by participants or highly educated people aren't proof of anything except what they have convinced themselves. Do people who participate in incest actually lead healthy, productive lives? Do they have strong relationships with others?

Any opinion can be published including in respected journals and taken out of context or left unchallenged.

That doesn't make it true.

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10:40 am, Sep 29, 2009

BioProf

Since when is marrying a cousin considered incest? Including consanguinous matings in this gallery lessens the true evil of incest.

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10:42 am, Sep 29, 2009

roadhunter

I don't know that it is, but in my state, it's definitely illegal.

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6:19 pm, Sep 30, 2009

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11:58 am, Sep 29, 2009

Machiavelli

"Of course it's easier to hide than being a homosexual or marrying outside your race" - This statement implies, within the context of the article that being homosexual or marrying outside of your race is taboo within our culture. I am a little bit frustrated by this statement by FirstCousinsWed. If one seeks social acceptance, I would think, they would need to be accepting of other "taboos" within our culture.

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12:52 pm, Sep 29, 2009

roadhunter

Being homosexual and marrying outside one's race are both taboo in our culture.

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6:20 pm, Sep 30, 2009

Genni2002

In some cultures marriage between first cousins is the best union. Religion-wise, it is often also viewed as the purest.Go figure.

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1:37 pm, Sep 29, 2009

UpstateNY

Parent-child sex cannot be consensual. There is a bond between parents and children that should never be used in this way. It's just not right!

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2:34 pm, Sep 29, 2009

Womentoo

Somebody please hand me a barf bag. So, I understand the state we are in (USA), polluted with drugs, the mind has gone to hell, the morals has taken a flyin leap into outer space, the heart has no direction because of the pollution. Yup, yup geez, whew! our young people are being groomed by the filth that sells. So look out world the worst is on the way....make sure your heart are strong to digest the stuff that will be brought out for the stinking dollar.

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2:43 pm, Sep 29, 2009

Siouxie921

What about Rudy Guiliani? His first marriage was w/ his first cousin.

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3:39 pm, Sep 29, 2009
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