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Democrats Go to War
With the public option dead for now, the left is launching attack ads against centrist and Blue Dog Democrats—and Rahm Emanuel, the poster child for Netroots betrayal.
With the defeat on Tuesday of the public-option amendments in the Senate Finance Committee, liberal Democrats are threatening an open revolt against the Obama administration. “If Obama takes the public option off the table, we’re looking at a civil war within the Democratic Party,” says Charles Chamberlain, the political director of the million-member Democracy for America (DFA), founded by Howard Dean, which has helped raise over $200,000 for TV attack ads against wavering Democrats and moderate Senate Republican Olympia Snowe.
“The White House has been cutting deals with [health care] stake-holders since they came into office, and progressive groups have to decide whether they’re going to remain progressive or are they going to be an arm of the White House,” says liberal blogger Jane Hamsher. “They can’t have it both ways.”
In drawing a line in the sand over the public option, DFA has been joined by the new 200,000-member Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), fundraising to aid liberal candidates and causes--and the left-leaning blogosphere that was instrumental in Obama’s campaign. Increasingly frustrated, discouraged by the seeming timidity of some traditional Democratic constituency groups in advocating for the public option, and growing disenchanted with the Obama administration’s refusal to push for it or behind the scenes effort to quash it, they’re spoiling for a fight. Their sudden renewal of activism has drawn howls from those Blue Dog and “centrist” Democrats targeted by the ads, and from White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who has emerged as their symbol of administration dithering or betrayal.
After the Senate Finance Committee voted against the public option amendments, most major progressive organizations tried to sound optimistic about the chances for ultimate passage of the measure, especially the biggest coalition, Health Care for America Now (HCAN), with 1,000 national and local labor and activist groups in 46 states. Yet the day after, one of the most influential liberal players, Moveon.org Political Action, boasting five million members, did more than challenge the conventional wisdom that the public option is doomed. The group launched a fresh wave of radio ads attacking the three Democrats who voted against the public option amendments: Senators Kent Conrad (D-ND), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), and Max Baucus (D-MT). “Senator Baucus sided with the special interests and the insurance companies,” the ad said.
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• Adam Clymer: How Reform Could Happen NowNita Chaudary, campaign director at Moveon.org Political Action declared, “We need to make sure Democrats who side with ‘Big Insurance’ face consequences with the voters back home.” DFA and PCCC also chose a harder line than Health Care for American Now to promote the public option—an appeal for money to “pummel” Senators Olympia Snowe and Max Baucus with TV ads. Their email alert raised $125,000 in just one day, PCCC’s 33-year-old co-founder, Adam Green, told me. “Senator Baucus, whose side are you on?” demands its TV commercial. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), whose mild public-option amendment failed to pass, went on MSNBC to decry the attack ad against Max Baucus for being a tool of the health-care industry: “It’s hurting us,” he said of the campaign. “I wish they wouldn’t do it.” But the appeals are still going out, the money is rolling in and the ad buys are being made.
Frustration with the administration strategy has been building for months among a surprisingly wide variety of loyal liberal Democrats, including longtime Democratic activists and some Washington insiders. One veteran Democratic congressional staffer observes, “This isn’t symbolic for voters—it’s extremely personal. If we pass a bill that doesn’t work, there could be divisions [within the party] that are very hard to heal.”
Since the spring, left-leaning groups and the House Progressive Caucus have launched various strategies to firm up support for the public option. For them, the Senate Finance Committee’s rejection is especially galling.
In early July, Emanuel alarmed liberals by telling the Wall Street Journal that the administration could easily sacrifice the public option for a “trigger,” a mechanism that would activate the public option at some indefinite point in the future if the insurance companies were not meeting certain cost savings. This seemed more a betrayal than a concession. Rep. Raul Grivalja (D-AZ), chair of the House Progressive Caucus, immediately issued a letter calling Emanuel’s proposal a “non-starter.” About the same time, the Washington Post reported, Obama told congressional leaders he wanted to see liberal advocacy groups stop attacking Democrats, but no direct White House pressure was applied then to Moveon.org and DFA, which had already launched ads targeting Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA).
By the next month, though, Emanuel responded to the ads with an obscenity. Appearing in early August at the weekly closed meeting of constituency groups called Common Purpose he denounced the ads as “fucking stupid.”
The strife died down momentarily amid the general Democratic panic over right-wingers rampaging through town hall events intended to build support for health care reform. The White House and liberals generally were flummoxed. Alan Charney, the program director for USAction, the lead grass-roots organizing arm of HCAN, lamented, “The capacity of the right to create fear with misrepresentation and lies was more than I anticipated.”
On top of that, “the people at the top haven’t given us a simple message we can carry out there with emotional impact,” Susan Smith, a Tampa Bay DFA organizer and Democratic Committeewoman, told me.
Now, post-Finance Committee, the intra-party strife has broken out in the open again. But even most state activists and local Democratic Party officials interviewed by The Daily Beast are skeptical that the ads from progressive groups targeting well-entrenched Democrats who have come out against the public option will have much impact on their reelection. )
Jane Hamsher, a former Hollywood producer (Natural Born Killers), who runs the influential blog Firedoglake, has expanded her blogging to create her own fundraising and activist mini-empire. An ad targeting Senator Blanche Lincoln and Rep. Mike Ross, funded with nearly $80,000 for the state’s low-cost TV market by Hamsher’s FDL Action PAC, declared: “Act like Democrats—or we’ll find someone who will.”
Democrats out in the hinterlands are divided on the potential impact of such campaigns. Bill Kopsky, executive director of the reformist Arkansas Public Policy Panel, told me, “I can’t imagine anyone taking that very seriously: it’s a perfectly legitimate strategy, but it won’t have anyone here quaking in their boots.” Even so, he and other state-based activists still welcome the ads for raising public awareness about the importance of health reform. Brian Osborn, the Democratic Party Chairman in rural Phelps County in south-central Nebraska, says of a series of attack ads targeting Sen. Ben Nelson for being a “sell-out” to the insurance industry, sponsored by Change Congress and other groups, “They woke people up!”
Nelson’s efforts to respond to the progressive attack ads are cited by their sponsors as proof that Nelson was “feeling the heat.” Green, the co-founder of PCCC, gleefully recounts: “Before we went to Nebraska, the local organizers—SEIU, Health Care for America Now (HCAN), all the groups—were killing him with kindness. We got him to move.” He points to Nelson’s evolving positions after first saying the public option was “deal-breaker” and how Nelson felt compelled to produce his own ad explaining his views on health reform. Ultimately, though, the pressure hasn’t produced results yet from Nelson.
Green and Hamsher are among those especially critical of leaders of the major groups, such as those in the HCAN coalition, who meet regularly with the White House and Hill leaders to work on legislation. “They’re straddling inside and outside roles, and it’s an awful strategy,” Green says, contending other groups should take the lead in grass-roots organizing. “They’re pulling their punches.”
Hamsher says, “The White House has been cutting deals with [health care] stake-holders since they came into office, and progressive groups have to decide whether they’re going to remain progressive or are they going to be an arm of the White House. They can’t have it both ways,” she says. (There’s been one key exception to her ire: newly elected AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka, who has insisted on the public option and threatened to withhold support from anti-reform Democrats.)
Yet progressives across the spectrum in the drive for the increasingly endangered public option are starting to accept they all have different roles to play. Charny says, “We want to be at the table, and the same time we have operations that function in very aggressive ways to put as much positive pressure on legislators to do the right thing.” He also admits his coalition delayed tapping into public anger over insurance companies and has started a systematic campaign, “Big Insurance: Sick of It,” only this month. The sight of screaming right-wingers at the town halls apparently made the liberals realize that they might consider exploiting populist rage, too.
“We’re all sort of cops for the Democratic Party,” says DFA’s Chamberlain. “We fall into the category of bad cops, but HCAN is never going to use sticks. When you’re organizing, you go with the good cops, but it’s hard to keep people motivated just using carrots.”
Art Levine, a contributing editor of The Washington Monthly, has written for Mother Jones, The American Prospect, The New Republic, The Atlantic, Slate.com, Salon.com, and numerous other publications. He also blogs regularly on labor, health, and other reform issues for In These Times and Huffington Post.
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Ozone69
It was only a matter of time before the Left's kook fringe began saber rattling the moderate Democrats. Hopefully this civil war will give the House and Senate back to the Republicans and the Republicans will start to act like Republicans. Oh happy day!
whipmawhopma
Ozone69 - 'and the Republicans will start to act like Republicans'
Ha ha ha. Don't count on it any time soon.
carbonman1950
If only they WERE "moderate Democrats." but they are not.
They are in essence right-wing Republicans flying a flag of convenience. In short, pirates.
Centrist Democrats would be much better positioned if they were gone from the party and no longer in a position to fly our flag and poison our reputation. At least then we could readily tell our allies from our adversaries and our nation's friends from those who have made themselves its enemies.
sandyinohio
Gee, I can help you out then...I am a moderate Dem., planning on registering "I" this next election. I am fed up with the left wing nuts who want govt to run, or should I say "hand out", everything in the country. You libs think the whole party is like you & want everyone coddled, so you can have the party I belonged to for 40 years then. And redstatebluedude, I have donated over $600 so far to conservative causes, ads, etc. and I have NEVER done that before; also went to TEA Party DC March. You folks better start reading and BELIEVING the polls...the majority of taxpayers (only top 60% of American workers anyway) DO NOT WANT this so-called way of reforming health care. WHY can't you accept what "we the people" have decided? See, that's why people are FED UP to the neck & beyond!
megaman12215
so because i am a republican so i am an enemy, wow very democratic (form of government), sounds nice, "you don't think the way i do so you are an enemy"... few years later... "you don't think the way i do so you are now a political prisoner" niiiiiiiiiiiiccccceeeeeeeee, i'm sure you are NOOOT
(--> SARCASM
sonofloud
Arlen Specter and Joe Lieberman spring to mind.
doug-c
sandyinohio, my thoughts exactly. I'm definitely registering as an independent next election. I might even vote republican (never have in the past). Is this what the country has come to? Maybe Obama should just do NOTHING. Then he'll make everyone happy, right? He proposes something conservative and the liberals bang on him, visa versa with the conservatives, and if he does something moderate everyone hates him. Ugh!
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n--Y--YurdeliteDolmance
Oh, great. Ruining every financial instrument in the country wasn't enough for the Republicans. I have to ask, what else is there left for them to destroy? They've already run just about anything anyone can think of over a cliff.
megaman12215
hey who was in charge during the last 2 years of bush's administration, democrats, did they change anything for the better, no, in fact we are now in a recession *depression*
Nahnahnah
Exuse me but I seem to remember the Democrats had enough votes to controll everything the last 2-3 years. All they did the whole time they did not have the White House was run around crying and throwing dirt at every GOP idea. Now the GOP is doing the same thing to them and they are going mental. Both Parties suck!
Glenda1976
The Dem party is divided between the libs and the radical kook left.
AlanD2
Ozone69: Dream on!
UpstateNY
How about the kooks on the right?
sandyinohio
You all just decided you didn't want us in the party anymore, remember? \
A moderate, departing Democrat in Ohio
THINKNIUM
Ha ha ha ha,,, you are funny. Ozone96, happy day is today.
wagenblatz
Ozone, you are breathing the same foul, still air as Mitch McConnell, Mike Enzi and the Big Pharma/MedInsurance wonks like Max Baucus. Are memories so short that all of us have forgotten the lies, evasions, and downright unconstitutional shenanigans of the Bush Administration? There was a reason for Dems to have triumphed in '06 and '08. The sooner Obama wakes up and smells THIS coffee the better.
pacifistgunslinger
Republicans? You mean the party that wants to secede from the Union? That thinks flying a Confederate flag is an act of patriotism? The party that thinks failure is good for America? The party that thinks subsidies for oil companies is good but subsidies for the impoverished is bad? That Republican party?
larry278
The word, 'civil', has multiple meanings. The fighting in the civil war among Democrats isn't going to be a civil disagreemant(sp?) among friends. It's going to be a bloody Pier 6 brawl. No quarter will be asked; no quarter will be given.
redstatebluedude
I just went and donated $100 to the cause and will doing the same every month from now until next year's elections.
It's time to get rid of these fools who continually knife their own president in the back and betray the loftiest long-term goals of their own party for corporate blood money.
Put a Republican in these seats if need be. As long as we're not getting anything done as a party WITH these traitors, what does it matter? At least we'll know what to expect.
allonfla
Really twisted logic. Let's oust people who vote with the Prez most of the time and replace them with people who vote with the Prez ZERO percent of the time.
I get your frustration, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
carbonman1950
But DO they "vote with the Prez most of the time"? I have not actually investigated the question, but my "sense" of how they vote is that they do not.
Evidence please.
cassandravert
Kudos for putting your money where your heart is, but may I amend your wording? It's not about betraying the President, it's about betraying the people. The solution is not a Republican. A Republican is less likely to do what the people want and more likely to support corporate exploitation. The solution is to persist until we get leaders who do what is best for the people. Our responsibility as voters is to demand responsible results and not be distracted by corporate ad campaigns that want to scare and divide us.
rickjarvis
you are right, what the true left-wing needs is a direct full speed forward if you're to turn this country into the socialist anti-capitalist entity progressives want it to be.
sandyinohio
"corporate exploitation"? Gee, here my husband & I thought that when we took out a loan and opened our shop 10 years ago, creating 9 jobs, we were helping "the people". And by the way, just who decides "what is best for the people"? In case you have forgotten, we are individuals, not all alike, do not all have the same needs necessarily, and our country is already divided because some Democrats have become "Social Democrats" as in Europe, communist-light! See, this is where you lose me as a supporter; let me alone to pursue my own happiness while you go get your version!
kayadams
"Put a Republican in these seats if need be." Oh so you are conservative.....
I donated to a redstate Dem campaign -- and then when he got elected he came out BLUEDOG ---- the goal is to purge the DEMS of the bluedogs by replacing them with BLUECATS (not ever tho' hiring a repuklican....)
spotted
There's nothing wrong with hold the Blue Dogs' feet to the fire.
Maybe there should be a third party - what would you get if you bred a Blue Dog with a RINO? Whatever useless beast emerged, it is certain all it would do was just sit around, complain, and pass nothing.
megaman12215
let me corret YOUR wording, "what the DEMOCRAT people want"
carbonman1950
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true." = Republican strategy
So... at the moment the public option has risen again, with its strength on the increase;
With between 65% and 75% of the public supporting it;
With Democratic legislators beginning show some backbone on the issue;
Mr. Levine declares it "dead for now."
Suspicious that. Very suspicious.
sandyinohio
Where on earth do you get this 65-75% of the PUBLIC supporting it stuff? Source please. Maybe 65-75% of your new Democratic party I'll buy, but you liberals are famous for no respect & dismissing those who disagree with you.
roger37
Rasmussen Poll, for one. That should be especially compelling to you, sandy, because Rasmussen is usually hired by the right wing, and his right wing biases show up in the data.
It's true--the majority of the country wants a public option to protect them from price gouging by insurance companies. The reason you hear so much stuff against it is because the insurance lobbies pay the Repubs--and some Democrats--millions in campaign donations. And that's pretty much what's wrong with our system of government.
And before I retired, I had a small business, too, and I gave jobs to about 8 people. None of them had health coverage because I couldn't afford it for them, and they were making $8-9 per hour.
It's really amazing,but much of the country gladly votes against their own personal best interests when they vote Republican, and the Repubs are really good at propaganda because they don't draw the line at lying.
sandyinohio
Hey, Roger37, I check Gallup, Zogby, and Rasmussen daily...have seen no such thing!
mcmchugh99
On this issue, the progressives represent about 80% of the Democratic Party and a majority of people in the country, not some "kook fringe", as the Republicans like to imagine.
On the other hand, the Republicans, Blue Dogs and DLC represent the insurance companies. If there is going to be a split on that basis, the progressives will be the winners. Now is the right time to do it, if it's going to be done.
sandyinohio
In your dreams mcmchugh99! ALL the pollsters lately show Independents leaning against it also. And there was just published last month a poll showing that in EVERY state the conservatives outnumber the liberals! Conservatives are 41% of voters, lioberals at 20% and the rest are the in between moderates like me, who you say you don't want in your party anymore. Seems to me you folks are defeating yourselves! I'm just sayin'...
ThinkAgain
A steady diet of those far left websites that selectively cut and paste and parse the world to make their followers think they're the center of the universe is making the thud of reality a hard pill to swallow.
redstatebluedude
No Sandy we don't want you in the party anymore if that's how you think. Bye. Your "I got mine, F the rest of you" mindset doesn't have a place in the compassionate and caring party.
Besides, I strongly suspect you're a Rethug troll just pretending to be a horribly offended Dem. The language you use gives you away. It's dittohead-speak. And you were part of that "get that nigger out of the White House" teabaggers event in DC? You've donated to wingnut causes and campaigns? Enough said.
ThinkAgain
Good to see you got the "I got mine, F the rest of you" talking point. The ability to get you all on the same page every day is impressive. It's transparently... transparent, but impressive nevertheless.
Glenda1976
Your problem is with your Blue Dogs not Repubs.
bristolcities
It seems Democrats at least have the guts to call out members of their own party when necessary. The Cons silence on HC lies, cheating spouses and corrupt politicians speaks volumes.
neverlate
Once Americans with insurance learn that you are looking to slap a 35% tax on their health care the closest thing we will get to health care reform is a watered down bill to "cut waste, fraud and abuse from the system". Not only is the public option dead, but health care reform will die on the vine.
redstatebluedude
And was it Rush who "informed" you about this 35% tax? Beck? Or did you just pull that "fact" out of your butt, something you people seem to do regularly and with ease?
neverlate
Read the Baucus plan you idiot
jpelhamtn
Actually RedState IT IS in the bill ... just what America needs still more taxes. This health care nonsense will ruin the country if we are not careful.
roger37
The Baucus plan is just a starting point for the Senate. No way will it get passed as is.
GaryBoldwater
The 35% tax increase is part of the original Baucus bill. No one on the left wants that bill passed, and if you actually read the article, you'll read that Baucus is becoming the most hated Democrat in the Senate. What's your point?
Foo-Barnum
You're right. This looks like a terrible idea that everyone seems to hate. I don't know much about it, but it seems to me like a better idea to raise revenue by having a public option, insurance that people could purchase directly from the Federal government.
Glenda1976
Yes we will have the health care tax in addition to our regular income tax. If this passes, before long we will be lucky to take home 30% of our paycheck.
sandyinohio
Oh, not to worry, Glenda, the liberals here sure aren't...you must be compassionate and wish the very best & every bit as much as you have for your fellow man...and if he doesn't have it, they will FORCE you to make it equal, comrade! AND they want you to smile & thank them while they are scr-------- myou too.
Foo-Barnum
You know what's really twisted? Characterizing Democrats that oppose the public option as "centrist". The position favored by an overwhelming majority of Democrats - if not all the public - is, BY DEFINITION, "centrist", which effectively make Baucus, Lincoln, Nelson, Emanuel, the Blue Dogs, etc. "right-leaning" Democrats.
Or maybe "corporate-leaning" Democrats is more accurate. Characterizing the conflict as "Left vs. Right" only feeds the illusion that the public is divided on the public option, and that plays into the strategies of its opponents. The childish antics of the town-hall protestors, for example, were calculated to create that impression. We are not really divided, however, if the poll numbers we are seeing are accurate (and I think they are), so I think it's more accurate to say this is really about "We the People vs. Corporate Money".
sandyinohio
I have already answered several of above posters, but I shall say it to all: since the liberals of extreme left have taken over my Dem. party of 40yrs, I am going to register as "I". I have already donated over $600 to campaigns against the ridiculous "take-over" of HC the Dems. are pushing, even w/o the public option, it is an over-reach. I'm not wanted in this new "Dem" party which is more like the Socialist Democrats of Europe anyway. Fine. "corporate exploitation"? Is that what my husband did when he took a loan out to start his shop after his layoff? Fine. I thought we were helping the 9 others he could employ. Go figure. The facts are that a recent study says 20% of voters are liberals, 40% are conservative, and the rest are moderates like myself. NO POLLS show a majority of voters are for this HC proposal which is such a sweeping change, none! Maybe 75% of the Dem., but that's about it. You folks who want the govt to decide "what is good for people" are shooting yourselves in the foot. I'm all for people's right to live life the way they please, pursue their own happiness, and be free to decide those things w/o others or the govt harassing them. See, you libs have a problem with freedom, and most people are swinging the other way now.
Ritarita
Registering
Independent would be
A move to the Left for you
Sandy-
Given the number of FOX news
Talking points you managed to incorporate
Into your little diatribe.
You're going to have to be a little less
Transparent to convince anyone
On these boards-
We're pretty used to this ploy.
sandyinohio
Honey, this is the first & last time on this site; I only came because of my interest in perspective of those saying Democrats were warring. My take too. Some of you here seem pretty indoctrinated with Maddow & Olbermann nonsense. I am a retired principal; was a union teacher & union rep for years before becoming a "management type". I could care less what you think you know about my compassion etc. What I do for charity is legendary in my own group suffice it to say. Oh, I forgot, "charity" is probably a dirty word for socialists. Liberals think we are all the same, needs are the same, earnings should all be the same, habits & behaviors should all be the same, etc etc etc I worked in a big 8 city & have seen a lot. Our employees are very happy at my huband's shop & we are hoping to hold on a couple more years before he retires. But with all the rising taxes, I don't know if we will. How selfish of us not to want to take all the same cuts others have in housing values & savings, PLUS pay more taxes too. I think you may find that Thatcher was right when she said "pretty soon you run out of other people's money". Dream your happy dreams folks.
sandyinohio
What are teh "Fox news talking points"?
roger37
Jeez: You were a prinicipal in a school and teaching our kids?!
And yet you don't seem to be able to identify which talking points are the ones from Fox "News?" Even as you regurgitate them?
I suggest you try supporting Ron Paul. He seems to be attracting peeps with your mindset.
neverlate
My point is we have no way of paying for expanded coverage until we find a way to cut costs. otherwise we are just expanding the usage of a broken system and making it "unfixable"
GaryBoldwater
But the whole point of expanded coverage IS to cut costs. Expanded coverage, and preventative care will save us billions in the long run, avoiding outrageously expensive ER bills incurred by those without insurance, that taxpayers end up fronting. Its a pretty simple equation actually...
neverlate
The studies show this not to be true as there will be way to many costly preventive care visits to counteract the decrease in emergency room medicine. While this may be good health care it is more expensive.
eurydice9276
That is the expectation, but the experience in Massachusetts has been the opposite. Those without insurance don't go to the emergency room when they're not sick. However, those with insurance are encouraged to go the doctor even if they're well. The simple equation turns out to have a more complex result.
inexpugnable0199
America is the only industrialized country in the world that allows certain people to profit from the illness of others. Like ghouls, they sup upon our fear and sickness. Like leeches, they gorge themselves on our blood. Senator Ben Nelson, his pockets stuffed with cash from the Health Insurance Industry, thinks that this is perfectly acceptable. America needs to end this egregious practice and Nebraska needs to rid itself of the corporate lap-dog, Ben Nelson. The public option will not be stopped by the parasites of the Heath Insurance industry, their well-remunerated stooges in politics, or the howls and shrieks of fringe elements of the far right wing. If Ben Nelson is not wholly corrupted, he will renounce his paymasters and his Republican allies, and support competition and health care as a right for all Americans. The Public Option is the only real option. Everything else is Insurance Industry lies and Right Wing propaganda.
Granite
Its the American way! To think differently is un-American.
Grimmace
Can you tell me where in the Constitution it explicitly states that healthcare is a right of all Americans. If it's not there then it simply isn't a right regardless of how much you think that it should be a right. If you want it to be a right then you need to go through the process of amending the Constitution.
I can see that free speech is a right. I can see that we have the right to bear arms. You see those kinds of rights don't require the forcible taking of other individuals property and time. I don't see anything about the right to healthcare. Please help me out here because I can't find it anywhere.
neverlate
Its even worse than that, the current Democratic Party thinks that there is some kind of inalienable right to be middle class, and once you are middle class, you have the right to be upper middle class (subsidies to the middle class). All this brought to you by taxing the 1% of "rich people" out of existence, They all have an obvious problem with basic math and simple logic.
rinsewell
Yeah, the 9th Amendment.
sandyinohio
Don't waste your time; all you'll get is personal insults and name-calling like "uncompassionate" etc. These are people who don't get that the constitution was put in place to protect us FROM pillage by the majority's vote.
roger37
Hey, it says right there in the Constitution, Article VIII, "The people shall have a right to government-sponsored health remedy by leeches, bleeding, stinging nettles or other healing arts."
Really. It says it. You can look it up. But I guess a "strict constructionist" wouldn't think that an MRI should be included today.
(Actually, it is covered by the 9th Amendment, as rinsewell points out.)
not1ofu
Amen to that. Years ago even glen beck said the health care industry needed a major overhaul, Why would he change his mind ??? For TOO MANY people the only choice is socialized meds or no meds,it IS a sick sosiety.
sandyinohio
Just because someone doesn't like the proposals by the Dems. doesn't mean they are against all overhaul/reform. See, zing, there you folks go again, "my way, or the highway". Can't try tort reform (you all should be for that, what with those greedy lawyers all wanting to make a buck!) or expanded Medicaid, or health accts., or buying across state lines, or any of other proposals considered.
neverlate
That is not true. Virtually all health care systems in the world have a large private sector component to them. This usually leads to reduced costs, but in our case the system perversely promotes increased cost. Things like Defensive Medicine and pay for service, rather than results.
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n--Y--squareyellowpaperkhepri
This is one former Obama supporter who will gladly put his shoulder to that wheel. He can stay in Denmark, for all I care. I have written the WH several times to voice my disappointment at the secret deals and all the rest. I know there will be a growing number of voters who will do the same. One term, here we come!
TheWildestofThings
Doubt it.
rinsewell
I think so.
roger37
I don't. Healtcare reform will be passed before Christmas, the Repubs will go home and try to find ways to undermine it, and the citizenry will be glad it's available, and all this bullshit will fade into the past.
Except for the fact that the Republicans (and Blue Dogs) showed a total lack of scruple, a total lack of caring for what happens to the uninsured 47 million, but total concern about the campaign money they get from the insurance companies.
In other words, their careers were more important than the lives and health of their constituents.
Gort51
Oh, wonderful. Once again, the The left fringe is forming up the "circular firing squad" on any Democrats who disagree with any part of their agenda. By all means, let's have ideological purity, even at the cost of destroying any possibility of successful legislation. Absolutely brilliant!
This is exactly what happened nine years ago, when they decided to punish Al Gore by backing that narcissist Ralph Nader. Their tantrum allowed the Republicans to get close enough to steal the election, giving us eight years of the worst administration in our history.
Unlike the Wingnuts of the Right, the Wingnuts of the Left seem incapable of learning from history. Are they really that dumb? Why is it that despite their rhetoric, their actions always seem to be aimed at helping Republicans defeat Democrats?
Considering how flagrantly self-defeating their actions are, one can't help wondering whose side they really represent.
mtntexas
Congress is due for a major upheavel. Then, their replacemnts can vote out ANY insurance or retirement benefits for these iceholes. They seem oblivious to the fact that we are very close to lighting torches and storming their buildings! Americans are now aware that WE have the most corrupt goverment on this continent and that IS going to change!
ThinkAgain
lol that's exactly what the angry mob has been saying for months now! Unfortunately, that's the only thing you agree on.
AlanD2
mtntexas: You forget that campaigns are so expensive these days that the new people you vote in will be just as much owned by lobbyists as were the ones you voted out.
sandyinohio
which govt? BHO's or Bush's? Which angry mob, liberals or TEA party???
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