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Don Imus' Second Act

BS Top - Grove Imus Returns Richard Drew / AP Photo With a strong debut on Fox Business Network, Don Imus is back in ring and talking about race again—and Al Sharpton’s "monitoring" the situation. But one top media buyer is balking: "I don't get the concept of radio on TV."

Thirty-eight minutes into his Monday morning debut on the Fox Business Network—a much-heralded return to brand-name cable after 2 ½ years in exile—Don Imus couldn’t help but start musing about “The Incident,” the blunder that nearly killed his career and has shaped his image ever since.

“My reaction to The Incident was purely personal,” Imus said, before slipping into a self-conscious meditation on race and Barack Obama. The Incident, of course, was his catastrophic quip on April 4, 2007 about the Rutgers University women’s basketball team (“nappy-headed hos,” in case anyone has forgotten) and his subsequent punishment and humiliation—going on the Rev. Al Sharpton’s radio show to grovel and apologize, only to be coldly rebuffed; getting fired from his syndicated radio show, which he’d been doing day in and day out for four decades, and being removed from MSNBC, where the cable simulcast of his radio program had filled the 6-to-9 a.m. time slot for the previous 11 years.

The question remains: Will Imus’ older-skewing audience stick around for the business news when they could be watching CNBC?

Now the 69-year-old Imus, battling prostate cancer and looking waxy and thin—“like an anorexic fly-rod with a cowboy hat,” in the words of his longtime sidekick, news reader Charles McCord—is finally back in the saddle. But two days in, it’s unclear where his horse is headed, exactly.

“I thought it wasn’t a horrible idea to put a black face in the White House,” Imus ventured to his very first guest, journalist Debra Dickerson, who—coincidentally or not—happens to be African American. “It doesn’t seem like it has done all that much for race relations—or has it?”

Dickerson—on the phone from Albany—argued that “a large segment of the white population cannot bear” the thought of a black president, hence the frequent insinuations of foreign birth, fascism, socialism, and all-around otherness. “‘I want my country back’—that’s about more than just power,” Dickerson said as Imus, on his best behavior, listened respectfully. “Talking about the Nazis? What is that about?... It’s heartbreaking to me… It’s just a very ugly time in America.”

The I-Man’s next guest: Glenn Beck—the reckless purveyor of everything Dickerson was complaining about. The Fox News star made fun of Dickerson and then compared notes with Imus on their mutual bouts with alcoholism (Beck’s poison: Jack Daniel’s; Imus’: Stolichnaya).

“Really? Glenn Beck was next? Now I kind of feel icky. I feel a little dirty,” Dickerson sighed when I caught up with her a few hours later. “Ha ha,” she added dryly, when I told her that Imus, in a discussion with another first-day guest, Sen. John McCain, repeated a “joke” that after 9/11 “President Obama was the second attack on America.” (McCain, on the phone, laughed more heartily.) Dickerson said Imus, whom she has gotten to know since she began appearing on his radio show a couple of years ago, was very keen on booking her for his FBN debut. “He kept asking and asking,” she said.

Was she was being used as a racial fig leaf?

“Call me naïve, but I think he just likes me,” Dickerson said, noting that she was initially reluctant to go on two years ago, but her journalism students at the State University of New York insisted she had to. “I think he was so brutalized by what he did and by what he has suffered, maybe he likes me because I have embraced him and defended him, and I think he likes and respects my work,” she said. “Maybe having me as a guest is another way to say to black women, ‘I’m really sorry for what I did.’” FBN representatives declined to make either Imus or network executives available for comment.

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October 7, 2009 | 10:04am
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bobesherman

I'm glad to see Imus back, but not on Fox.

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10:33 am, Oct 7, 2009
mmurav

I agree! Leaving MS means that he will not have first rate news people coming on the program. Frank Rich is the exception. He is great.

Show should be TVO'ed to skip the Fox arm of the Republican Party.

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7:25 pm, Oct 7, 2009
rustycummings

I agree completely!

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11:12 pm, Oct 8, 2009
Meursault

Initial numbers notwithstanding, Imus is inert from the gate based on the same MO: still not funny, tired lame morning zoo shtick, self-promoting lower tier guests (Bo Dietl, really?), his on air "family," etc. Yet entirely appropriate as an alternative to the morons on "Fox and Friends."

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10:56 am, Oct 7, 2009
diamondgirl

I watched/listened this morning, he was great, I loved it! It was a smart move, this station needed some serious help. I am so used to watching CNBC all day, and have been for years, they need a little more tweeking and it could work...

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11:17 am, Oct 7, 2009
newswoman

Imus is a mean, grouchy, not very bright sexist. He HATED Hillary Clinton and insulted her every chance he got, but even worse, he called Condoleeza Rice a "snaggle-toothed witch". He was on the air way longer than he should have been and, I predict, he will not last long this time. His day is gone.

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4:33 pm, Oct 7, 2009
Noontime


I have no problem with Don Imus. In the Judeo-Christian tradition of forgiveness, I've chosen to forgive him for his nappy headed ho celebration of political incorrectness. I think he was sorry for what he said...at least at the time. I don't trust him, though.

The greater issue is Fox's interest in Imus. Where Fox is involved, race baiting can't be far behind. Is there anyone out there who doesn't think that the folks at Fox News are champing at the bit, just aching to lure Imus into another foray into race baiting incident where can insult black folks? Come on, that's what Fox is all about.

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11:25 am, Oct 7, 2009
jon3425

Bet you've never watched any of the fox programs
And how exactly is the today show or olbermann any better?

I personally watch all the news sources, including NPR.

The thing FOX does better than anyone is engage in real debate, bringing in differing view points. (though I do hate the rah rah)






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4:14 pm, Oct 7, 2009
jomama

This is utterly rediculous, there is no 'debate' on FOX, they bring in people with radical and unsubstantiated viewpoints who yell at each other. Unfortunately, the viewers are too stupid to know any better. Olbermann is very biased obviously, but he's a reasonable and intelligent person. He's not calling the country to arms, nor making blatantly false accusations against anyone important.

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5:56 pm, Oct 7, 2009
Noontime

Umm..real debate? Glenn Beck is real debate? Really?

The Today Show? Can't recall the last time Matt Lauer said, without irony or humor, that Obama "hates white people." Olberman may be a left wing, snarky, smartass, but at the very least he's intelligent, funny, and entertaining. Can't say that for ANYONE at Fox.

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6:03 pm, Oct 7, 2009
mmurav

If you are interested in honest debate watch PBS's Newshour.

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7:31 pm, Oct 7, 2009
MinnesotaTom

I couldn't figure out how you watch all the news sources, "including NPR", but since you also believe that Fox engages in real debate (like Beck's crying rant about the President hating his mother because she was white) you probably also believe you can watch radio.

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8:09 pm, Oct 7, 2009
spotted

MinnesotaTom - LOL!

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8:48 pm, Oct 8, 2009
ThinkAgain

We have plenty of entertainment and political news options in the morning. I hope CNBC sticks to business and/or the politics of business even if it is a smaller audience.

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12:10 pm, Oct 7, 2009
macgregor

10 times the normal viewership of Fox Business Channel is not much to brag about. 177,000 compared to the usual 21,000? Wow! This is a network that literally runs a full page ad in the Wall Street journal every day to remind people that its even on the air. I guess Ailes is hoping that by infusing FBC with entertainers (like the ones who made Fox News so popular), they can beat CNBC. But unlike regular news, which is becoming more tabloid and personality driven, most business people like sober, reliable news (Jim Cramer is an anomaly, I'll give you that). Still, Imus is neither the buxom blonde template Fox has made famous, nor is he the seasoned but loud news voice shouting down detractors (see Hannity and O'Reilly). He's basically a washed up clown who mumbles his way through broadcasts, while occasionally uttering epithets and politically incorrect musings (that honestly come off more like non sequitur instead of hate speech). I challenge anyone to explain how Don Imus is going to invigorate that channel when he can barely hold his head up.

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12:30 pm, Oct 7, 2009
wakeupastc

I couldn't agree with you more, macgregor. this guy is one of the most unbelievably useless hacks in the business. i tried to listen to him years ago and found him dull-witted, flatfooted, and boring.
I also agree that this is probably a race-baiting move by Fox News. I hope they fall flat on their faces with this obvious and disgusting ploy.
and please, someone, get a clue and dump this useless no-talent, no brain.

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2:05 pm, Oct 7, 2009
DrEvil

I linked to you on "You Have To Be This Tall To Go On This Ride"

Last post. Stephen Colbert, Mr President, The Taliban Just Isn't That Into You.

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12:42 pm, Oct 7, 2009
johnnieg

I used to be a big Imus fan when he was into comedy .He had a song , "'what would you do if Jesus came to your house". Fantastic . He sad Sal Minella as Santa Clause delivering Christmas presents. Very funny skit .
Then came tv and Mc Cain ,Dodd , etc. Delbert Mc Clinton who can't sing worth a damn,Kinky Freeman who the I man thinks is funny .
The program went down hill and has not stopped .Than he married a staff member,Deirdre, a former actress,[Laugh at Letterman?]
He is finished . He should go back to the ranch that is doing so great for kids , and stay there.He is to be commended for that ranch .Funny?No.Ratings now?Yes ....to see what it was all about . Even I tunded in ONCE!

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2:15 pm, Oct 7, 2009
dailyplanet


Imus on a "business news" program? Huh? What are his credentials? Unless he going to pontificate on the buying and selling of cowboy hats, something he's had much experience with over the years, I question his expertise.

I loved Imus and Beck comparing past demons, "(Beck's poison: Jack Daniel's; Imus': Stolichnaya)." Like two teenage girls reminiscing over their obsession with favorite colors of nail polish.

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2:35 pm, Oct 7, 2009
pricklypear

He will interview people who do know business. He is a good interviewer.

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4:36 pm, Oct 7, 2009
dailyplanet

Well, I guess that says a lot about the pairing of the "sensationalist/tabloid" mindset of Fox with the "controversial" mouth that is Don Imus.

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7:33 pm, Oct 7, 2009
mmurav

I listened to then watch Imus for many, many years. He is a great interviewer. I will give him a month and if the show do not improve dramatically. I go back to NPR.

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7:42 pm, Oct 7, 2009
newswoman

Imus is toast and so he should be. Men seemed to like him more than women. Maybe that is because he was a sexist and a mean man. We women expect more in our entertainers, like a personality.

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4:38 pm, Oct 7, 2009
cawbogue

I suspect this may turn out to be a very smart move by Fox. For all of Imus's bluntness, he still manages to walk a very fine line when it comes to politics. I think he will expose a much wider audience to Fox Business and they will have success keeping some of them for their regular business programming. I hear some of the criticism of the show but .... compared to what ? If I didn't watch Imus, what's the alternative, Mike and Mike , Morning Joe, Fox News, CNBC .. I think he compares well to all of them.

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5:23 pm, Oct 7, 2009
jomama

That Beck's ratings are high in America is proof that the country cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.

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5:57 pm, Oct 7, 2009
spotted

Those people shouldn't be trusted with scissors.

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8:50 pm, Oct 8, 2009
GPatton

I think Howard Stern should be on Fox too. And Soupy Sales! George Patton

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6:54 pm, Oct 7, 2009
wakeupastc

yet another inane remark frm george patton. actually, stern, for all his excesses, is a very smart guy - and ditto Soupy Sales. Imus never had a tenth of their intelligence, subtlety, or talent on the very best day of his life.
clearly, the irony in their humor is way over your head, patton.

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2:49 pm, Oct 8, 2009
MinnesotaTom

Imus is back on TV?! What a shock that he's on Fox, home to Glenn Beck "the president hates his mother because she is white". That Beck was on his show is perfect. Two drunks with racist views. How long before Imus makes another racist comment? A week?

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8:12 pm, Oct 7, 2009
spotted

Beck was more high-minded today, ending his show by debunking the rumors that flu shots contained tracking chips normally used for pets. A new low . . .

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8:52 pm, Oct 8, 2009
sailforth1

Imus is going to be Imus. He built his career around the persona he created and will continue to do that. In his own way he's no different than Stern, Limbaugh, or Beck. He's got his own political convictions and private opinions (one of which obviously slipped out regarding the Rutgers team) and he was ostracized for it. Hard to tell if he really feels remorse over the incident or just acquiesced to remain a headliner in the media. What's more telling in this article is that the author sought out Al Sharpton (who is also a racist and in the business of racism) to comment on Imus' status. Sharpton goes on to say that "We're monitoring him" and "So we'll be watching". Can't remember Al Sharpton ever being elected to public office or having that type of power bestowed upon him by a formal government agency. Sharpton is the black Imus with his self righteous, holier than thou attitude, and self appointed savior/defender of all things African American as long as he can make a buck off of it or at least get face time in the media. "They wasn't nothin' strange 'bout yo' daddy" Al. "What's strange is what he had to deal with" raising you. Sometimes irony is funny and sometimes sad. The author only legitimizes, otherwise illegitimate, influence by giving credence to idiots like Sharpton. Nice try, but I'm not buying it. This article had potential until the author followed the standard media line resulting in blase drivel. Might be better off writing for the National Enquirer where the journalistic standards are a bit looser and the clientele not so selective.

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1:08 am, Oct 8, 2009
Noontime

Sailforth1:

"Can't remember Al Sharpton ever being elected to public office or having that type of power bestowed upon him by a formal government agency."

It seems that your "Imus being Imus" is a license of sorts. "Yeah, he's racist, but as long as we all know that it's okay for him to have a national audience."

But your real problem is with Al Sharpton? Really? You're right in one sense. He hasn't been elected to a public office. I think the pronoun "we" pertains to those of us who know he's a piece of shit and will gladly call him on that shit if/when it arises.

A while back a young, white gentlemen asked me if black people could be racist. My reply? Of course we can. While black folks can be, and in many cases, are racist, what does it matter? We don't have power. Barack Obama has power, and perhaps because of that, many black folks feel empowered. But the pervading corporate power structure in this country is still basically white.

And what if black folks are racist? We do what? Call you "honkey," or "cracker," refuse to help you with your groceries? So what? Now if I'm interviewing people for a job and decide that, based on the fact white folks make me "uncomfortable," I won't hire any, then my racism is a viable issue.

Lastly, your reference to Sharpton addressing Michael Jackson's children ("was't nothing strange about yo daddy") makes an otherwise legitimate post very, very suspect.


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2:42 pm, Oct 8, 2009
sailforth1

Noontime,

I can see how you could interpret my comments that way and perhaps my obvious lack of respect for Al Sharpton came through a bit on the strong side.

On "Imus being Imus" I am indeed saying that people should recognize him for what he is and if they choose to follow him then that's their choice. No different than those that follow Limbaugh or Glenn Beck (for God's sake how could anyone with a brain not see through those two?). It's not up to Al Sharpton to be the "media police". As long as media celebrities comply with FCC regulations regarding established standards then content is essentially a supply/demand situation. We don't have to like it but that's the way it is; Freedom of the Press.

I'm quite aware that people of all races have the capacity to be racist and again, that's a personal choice. I'm not providing criticism here on Sharpton being racist. I'm pointing out the ridiculous tendency of the media to bestow credibility on people like Sharpton, Limbaugh, Beck, Ann Coulter, et al. Race had nothing to do with my point.

Although I freely admit that I believe Al Sharpton makes his living by courting racism whether it exists (in every situation) or not. I happen to not respect him for that. It's one thing to fight legitimate racism, be an enabler for people, and an agent for change. It's quite another to be an "ambulance chaser" to gain notoriety and profit from it on a personal level. But, hey, that's just me.

And I wasn't attempting to show any disrespect towards the Jackson tragedy rather used Al's own words against him to point out irony.

Appreciate your feedback and enjoyed the conversation. Thanks.

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8:10 pm, Oct 8, 2009
bdavid

Forget race if we can, what's funny here is Sharpton talking about 'rehabilitation'. Anyone remember his role in the Tawany Brawley case?

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10:06 am, Oct 8, 2009
peregrine1thru0

I remember watching the show when "the incident" happened. It was Bernard that encouraged Don to utter those words. I remember thinking, did i hear what i think i heard? It was an entertaining show though despite the terrible words. He insulted everyone though. But the guests were great, i do miss that show. This 'Morning Joe' thing is diabolical. Scarborough is too self-focused.

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10:50 am, Oct 8, 2009
TREESKE

Imus: THE BIGGEST FAKE OF THEM ALL!

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10:54 am, Oct 8, 2009
bway1ner

How ironic that Imus returned at the same time that Chris Rock's movie, "Good Hair," premieres!
For whites who don't understand, the part of the Imus comment on the Rutger's team that hurt Black women the most, was "nappy-headed," not "hoes!"
For the record I watched Imus on MSNBC for years. I was watching when he made the comment and (as an African-American) I took it in stride. He was just repeating what his producer said.
It was no big deal. The women from Rutger's didn't know who Imus was until Sharpton blew it up!

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11:20 am, Oct 8, 2009
Noontime

Come on, man. Even if you really are a self-respecting black person (and I rather doubt that you are) you're really going to sit there and tell white folks that its okay to call black women out of their name? It matters not that the Rutgers basketball team heard his comments. It only matters that Imus said those words and people like yourself think its okay. I have a daughter and I wont allow anyone to call her out of her name. Its just not okay.

Lastly, we dont need any more "black" people committed to making dumb ass white men like Don Imus feel better about themselves. Let Michael Steele, Larry Elder, and Tyler Perry (with his self-hating humor) do that.

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3:15 pm, Oct 8, 2009
sailforth1

Noontime,

Just curious on the Tyler Perry comment. I've never sensed the "self hating" tendency. I always thought that he was a pretty stand up guy. Essentially a self made man who overcame a lot of obstacles in life to achieve some measure of success.

What are the perceptions about him in the black community? Is it the way he portrays himself or others in his movies.

Seriously, I don't see it.

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8:18 pm, Oct 8, 2009
jerrywrite

second act? seriously? this guy has more "second acts" than anyone in radio, tv or politics.

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1:01 pm, Oct 8, 2009
DeeHouse

This Guy-Don Imus- is the greatest! I love him and have loved him for many years!

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4:06 pm, Oct 8, 2009
Noontime


sailforth1:
Sorry, something is not allowing me to respond directly. I appreciate your respons eand the conversation. Per my Tyler Perry comment. Youre right, he overcame obstacles to achieve success. But his wearing of a dress is troublesome..

You might recall Dave Chappelle. At one time he was the reigning king of comedy. He lampooned both black folsk and white folks. But after the much ballyhooed payday at Comedy Central, he abrutly disappeared.

In an interview he said simply the suits at Comedy Central wanted him to become one of the goofy black celebs on MTV Cribs-- in short the very things he lampooned. Chappelle said the last straw was when he was asked, repeatedly to wear a dress for a particular sketch. He refused. See, there's this starnge desire that some white men ( not all but some) have to emasculate powerful black men. Its achieved by wearing a dress. Chappelle knew this and repeatedly told the good folks at Comedy central that this was a deal breaker. They persisted and he walked away... from his own show.

Tyler Perry has been said to have "beaten Hollywood at its own game." Well, I dont buy it. The fact that Perry donned that dress himself and created that stupid "Madea" character is a means of buying into a streotype. Its not empowering, its the same old shit. Its like saying that women who abuse themselves to make cheesey adult films are "empowered."

Thanks again for responding. I know its a touchy subject, but a lot of professional black men like myself are on edge these days. Barack Obama's ascent to the white house is great. But there's a very subtle pushback from corporate types who fear too much change could make white guys obsolete.
We're not trying to scare anyone. We're just trying to make a living. But we all cant be Tyler Perry...Al Roker!

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9:20 pm, Oct 8, 2009
sailforth1

Noontime,

OK, I think I get it now. I really didn't understand the dress thing I chalked it up to that just being Tyler's schtick but the statement about "emasculating powerful black men" put it in perspective very well for me.

I get your point about the corporate executives believe me. Sixteen years at Dell as an IT professional and I got let go over a year ago (along with about 8000 other compadres). Never had anything but the top performance ratings and managed the team that programmed all voice communication apps for their call centers. I had the most diverse and successful team in all of IT but I was perceived as a threat because I spoke my mind and challenged execs to think out of the box.

There are very few senior executives who are good people managers, can manage conflict or chaos, or are actual visionaries. They worry about perceptions and try to hide their insecurities. And they play politics to the detriment of everyone else.

It's not just black men who are worried about executives behavior and lack of ethics. It's happening to white professionals as well. Wait until you reach 50, it'll be a double whammy then.

Thanks for taking the time to educate me on the Tyler issue. It's refreshing to be able to have an informative discussion on the net without someone bashing you. A lot of that going around.

Thanks,
Eric

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12:38 am, Oct 9, 2009
Ahimsa

It is frankly unbelievable and appalling to see this man being praised. No, really, are you people in your senses?

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9:37 pm, Oct 8, 2009
rustycummings

Its good to hear straight talk.....Everything is so packaged..........

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11:15 pm, Oct 8, 2009
DrEvil

Ahimsa

It is frankly unbelievable and appalling to see this man being praised. No, really, are you people in your senses?

What a tolerant remark. You must be a Liberal.

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4:11 pm, Oct 9, 2009
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