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Cheney's "dithering" salvo was just the latest attack on Obama from the former vice president and his daughters. Lee Siegel on a family crusade worthy of Ancient Greece.
There is something Greek about the Cheney family’s obsessive persecution of President Obama. Ancient Greek, that is. It recalls the vindictive persecution of the House of Atreus by the Furies in Aeschylus’ great trilogy of tragic plays, The Oresteia. The Cheneys’ Fury-like pursuit of Obama is relentless, irrational, and unforgiving.
First Dick Cheney, on three separate occasions, declares that Obama is making the country more vulnerable to terrorist attack, accuses the president of using the economic crisis as a pretext to expand the government, and agrees with a conservative talking head that Obama is “telegraphing weakness” to the terrorists.
Like the Furies, the Cheneys stand for unreason and emotionalism. Revenge is their milk and their meat.
Then his eldest daughter, Liz, proposes on Fox News that in the wake of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize, the president send the mother of a fallen soldier to Oslo to accept the award on behalf of the U.S. military—as if it was Obama, and not her father, whose stupidity and greed has sent thousands of Americans to their death in Iraq. And recently, Cheney’s youngest daughter, Mary, announced the creation of an international consulting firm that will, no doubt, facilitate any and all opposition to the slightest Obama initiative.
And just this past Wednesday there was Dick Cheney himself, the chief Fury, publicly accusing Obama of putting at risk American troops in Afghanistan by “dithering,” charging that Obama is “afraid to make a decision,” and saying that the president is endangering the American “homeland.”
Cheney’s public belittling of Obama, his near-seditious claims that Obama is working against the country’s best interests and allowing America’s enemies to gain the upper hand—such vengeful attacks by a previous vice president, let alone by any former high elected official, against a sitting president are without precedent. You feel that in Cheney’s grim zeal he is not simply refusing to leave the stage, but reliving his glory days fighting the good Manichaean fight against absolute evil—this time against a president who is, in Cheney’s mind, the moral extension of the shadowy terrorists he pursued while commandeering the White House. Then, too, perhaps Cheney was so used to bending to his will the emotional weakling he served under for so long that his drubbing of Obama is simply the only way he knows how to relate to a president.
There is something primitive—something along the lines of magical thinking—about the way the former vice president projects his psyche onto reality.
For Aeschylus, the Furies represented, in fact, a primitive age, where unreason ruled and vengeance was the only form of legal redress. Rational justice had yet to be born. The Furies were personifications of the murdered dead, who wreaked their revenge on the murderers. Such wild, lethal doomfulness seems to be Dick Cheney’s native element.
The primal sin of the House of Atreus, which aroused the Furies’ centuries-long vindictive wrath, was Tantalus’ murder of his son, Pelops, whom he tried to serve up to the unwitting gods. Resurrected by the gods, Pelops has a son whom he names Atreus, and Atreus repeats the family curse. He kills his half-brother to get his money and then murders and serves up as dinner his brother Thyestes’ children to Thyestes as payback for the latter’s adultery with Atreus’ wife. From then on, the descendants of the House of Atreus turn on and murder each other in an endless cycle of revenge: father kills daughter, wife kills husband, son kills mother.
Yet in the final moments of Aeschylus’ trilogy, Athena breaks the power of the Furies and votes to acquit Orestes of the crime of killing his mother (who had murdered Orestes’ father). Thus Athena replaces unreason with reason, and revenge with the spirit of clemency.
Like the Furies, the Cheneys stand for unreason and emotionalism. Revenge is their milk and their meat. Obama’s Age of Reason—the advent of Athena—drives them into a rage, which in turn impels them to pursue Obama relentlessly to punish him for his crimes against what their hearts know to be true.







Desertpenguin
Dick Cheney is a vampire.
He sucked the life-blood out of our country until we were comatose.
Everything he touches withers and dies.
openhand
U.S. economy runs on technology and intellectual property, the 2 things required for Solar and Wind Energy.
The Cheney economy runs on oil and dead U.S. soldiers.
Cheney was very quiet as VP, now he has his daughters fighting to defend his name. He is a traitor and a coward.
Sachem
Stop letting him off the hook. He's a war criminal plain and simple, and should spend the rest of his life in Danbury.
Torture is never a policy decision.
letitgoplease
Obama is a joke!!!!! This country is in BIG trouble......
Natural-Selection
So, you'll enjoy your freedom until Keith Olbermann tells you to hate Cheney, then you all turn into your hysterical selves. If I were him, I'd be pissed too seeing as how I gave my life's work to creating safety in my country, only to have a witch hunt afterward by cowards who choose to utlize political expediency and correctness to then challenge the way it was done.
The enemies of the US look at you and laugh because they know they've won. Our own country is becomng a nice juicy, soft target for the bad guys and they're rejoicing. When they come to kill you all, the strong will survive....and you're not the strong.
erick3525
I've never listened to Olbermann, but I still think Cheney is a crook. As a post 9/11 veteran, feeding Cheney and friends' bank accounts while it was guys like me whose asses were on the line is BS. We're so weak now that Bush and Cheney are out of office, but they were in charge when everything went to crap. Look at all the crap we were fed about "winning" in Iraq and Afghanistan. How many soldiers and civilians have to die before some politician gets to take home a trophy? Should save a first place ribbon for the coffin of the first soldier sent home in a box.
msman48
Dick Cheney is simply stating the obvious that main stream middle America sees daily. The American public is consistently more middle of the road conservative rather than the left leaning liberal loons the main stream media delights in showcasing. Conservative and independent Americans see this president taking us down the long road of socialism and Big Brother is watching you type of government.
patrickwjones
Lee,
Your article is very misleading. The former VP was simply responding to Team Obama criticism pertaining to the Bush Administration's lack of a cohesive strategy on Afghanistan. This can be easily solved by releasing the strategy of the Bush Administration that was handed to Team Obama. Furthermore, based on what has transpired until recently, it seems that Team Obama was following some sort of strategy related to Afghanistan or are you saying that Team Obama has been marching fearlessly for the past 9 months with NO STRATEGY? What seems unprecedented here is that a thin skinned TEAM OBAMA would take two months to develop a war strategy that should have been dynamic and on-going making the decision almost immediate. Cheney's right to defend the previous administration from an administration that is the most divisive and highest spenders of taxpayer money in history, a team that has stimulated nothing, added no jobs and who is making our country less safe, is a breath of fresh air for honesty, personal integrity and the truth! You need to review the facts before you write anything again that is as inherently factless as this article....something Pelosi espouses every day in the House.
Hotfrostins
We all just want the truth, something that has not come out of VP Cheyney who speaks out of the side of his mouth always with revision. Yes we can handle the truth, but can you and Mr. Cheyney?
ZooBa57
You guys are a bunch of idiots ... Cheney is the reason we have been safe since 2001 ... you stupid idiot bleeding heart liberals .. Obama has kids singing and chanting his name .. he wanted to create a letter to him from the kids .. and in some schools they are citing words praising Obama ...
Obama is a joke yes he is .. we are in so much debt .. 10 trillion by 2015 and 2017 .... kids who are in the 6th grade will be going to college with all this debt waiting for them when they get out of college .. so if you are a new grad in 2020 you will have to pay back 40,000 and up in college debt plus the trillions plus the debt on it all by that time .. you stupid ass liberals have no clue about the economy and the cost of freedom ... Obama wants to be a dictator and he loves being praised and he is in it for popularity and and trying to make government control your life .. he hates the constitution ... you stupid ignorant liberals...
squire
wait, let me get this straight! YOU the liberal who hates this country by throwing off Chrisitianity which made this country great (see our buildings everywhere) and wants to usher in socialism & eventual communism ARE CALLING POOR MR. CHENEY A TRAITOR? You my poor son are coming awfully close to be one yourself. Your attitude shows. Which is why we must return to our America Christian values for HIS magisty Jesus the Christ is returning soon my son. Obama may get his way (maybe) and bring in communism but a dreadful day is soon coming on the earth for those who refuse to be on the side of truth. Those who are on the side of truth will know who Jesus the Christ IS.
unabhome
i am probably one of the few that was glad bush and cheney were in office on 9/11,god knows if it was a dem. in office what would have happened. it scares me now listening to obama and see what his people (acorn) are about.I have been a dem. all my life but after bush was elected the 2nd time i switched to republican and will stay that. the nation is in for a rude awakening with obama in there
TDBSucks
Cheney is a good American . .
Mean while is that Lee Siegel or Seigel, who are you Lee and why do you like the Greeks so much. . .
Does TDB believe in the sensorship that the Thug government in the White House believes in.
wcasey
TECHNOLOGY AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ARE A VERY SMALL PART OF OUR ECONOMY. IF YOU READ SOMETHING WITH CONTENT IT WILL HELP YOU TO LOOK INTELLIGENT AND SAY INTELLIGENT THINGS.
I READ LOTS OF WIND BUT NO SUBSTANCE.
WE ARE DOWN ABOUT 6 MILLION JOBS. SO FAR ONLY 30,000 CREATED.
AMERICA HAS TO MANUFACTURE PRODUCTS.
SOLAR AND WIND MAY PROVIDE 100,000.
CASEY PURVIS
johnwr3
Vice President Cheney is one of the greatest VP ever to serve our country. He has devoted his entire life to public service. He is the real deal, a real patriot and an American hero. His experience, steady hand and superior intelligence make the entire Obama administration look like a cartoon. Joe Biden, OMG what an empty suit. Obama must cringe every time he opens his mouth. I know let's put Obama and Cheney in a debate. Cheney would mop the floor with him and I know you know it. Oh, attacking his daughter is cowardly.
roger37
I never fail to laugh when I hear some wingnut say, "Cheney kept us safe AFTER 9/11." The only problem was that he and Bush were President BEFORE 9/11 and the tragedy happened because of their inattentiveness.
I'll bet most of you still think that Saddam was the perp of the 9/11 attacks, and that going to Iraq and letting the Taliban regain control of AfPak was the right thing to do.
You people are a living example of how mass communication can be used to sway a population to vote against its best interests. There is no underestimating you.
diamondgirl
Let me start off by saying I dont like Cheney either, but this country needs to have checks and balances. He has been there and done that, not so well I might add, but he does have more knowledge than we do. It will keep Obama on his toe's. God knows we need someone to question Obama, the MSM sure isnt.
slmpirate
diamond,
I was pretty sure that the constitution provided for the congress to be the appropriate venue for checks and balance to the president.
What is disconcerting relative to the cheney family rant is that it is unprecendented in american history that a former VP or for that matter his children to so vindictively attack the sitting president during times of war and economic upheaval.
I think it is the incivility of it all that really bothers most americans.
It speaks more about the perpetrators than their target
jbo206
bejeebus your annoying.
Yes your kernal of truth, the country needs checks and balances, but not from a lying, hypocritical ass like Cheney.
I would think two wars, an economy left in shambles and swirl of social issues would be enough to keep Obama on his toes (if I recall, the world trade centers falling wasn't enough to break Bush's concentrated efforts to read a children's book. Let's apply the same standards to both Dem and Repub presidents for a change). If the right wing wants to regain the hearts and minds of people, they will tell vindictive idiots like Cheney and brood to STFU already.
Snertly
The checks and balances to the executive branch are provided by the legislative and judicial branches, not by disgruntled former office holders.
Granted after the previous administration's eight years of alternately gaming and savaging the legislative and judicial branches, I can understand how one's faith in these mechanisms might have been damaged.
The only thing I'd like to see Mr Cheney do is perform the part of Mr Potter in a revival of "It's a Wonderful Life".
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sikatako
cheemney is like this guy in my high school back in the 70s. an idiot who tries to make others look bad for the mistakes he created. Wake up diamondgirl!!!!
popp19482008
How DARE you defnd that War-Mongering, War Criminal!!
"Diamond Girl," You NEED to step back and take a hard look at the BIG Picture, HERE! Dic Cheney and all thr rest of those insane repubicans are trying to DESTROY this country ~ EVEN worse than they ALREADY have!
President Obama is our BEST OPE for digging us out the hole that the republican's dug us into!
Tuhlmahn
See - you can have anti-Bush syndrome and still be straightforward and somewhat objective. Fair comment diamondgirl.
GM2009
"The enemies of the US look at you and laugh because they know they've won."
And their names were Cheney
BigBearFromTX
slmpirate,
If you think THIS congress provides "checks and balances" for the Odumma administration, I can only say, "Dream on, Rip!!" The ONLY real oppostion HAS to come from the outside, because most of you pie-in-the-sky libs are too caught up in your rock concert, hero worship, me first, gimme something for nothing world to see the real truth about how much harm you -- yes, YOU -- have done to the concept of true democracy in the world. See if you feel any differently after the 2010 mid-term elections.
fxc1226
Been where? Done what? The only thing this asshole has done is collect millions of dollars at the expense of lives, our troops and the Iraqui & Afghani people. He is a criminal and deserves to be prosecuted as such. Oh by the way, I did'nt see his ass in Nam the entire 2 tours I did there. He had more important things to do with his life.
ehrobinson
I agree with Cheney and his brave Daughter's, we as American's do not want
our Country to be in so much debt, I have three Grandson's and one in College and the other two still in High School and Jr. High, I am so worried about what kind of world they are being thrown in for their future, which so much debt to be faced with, We need a strong President that isn't afraid to keep us all safe! Stay in his office and do the job he promised us he'd do!
glfdv612
toes, not toe's (unless it's a possessive or used as a contraction. though, i am unable to think of an example of that just now). this mis-use of the possessive to indicate number is an epidemic in this country.
wbishop12
Want an idea of what kind of monster Dick is?
His company protects rapists.
Not just any rapist, but gang rapists.
His employees gang raped a co-worker.
Fired the raped woman and protected the rapists.
If that's how they treat their own employees, imagine what little respect they have for you.
I guess every country is capable of producing monsters.
And ours is named Cheney.
nb-moe
Is thsi true? What's the name of the company?
amanda07070
I CANNOT understand why this news regarding the rape victim signing a contract that stated she could not pursue legal action if raped, was not screaming on the front pages of every newspaper and Internet news outlet throughout the WORLD. And what about the THREE republicans who DEFENDED the right of the company to put such a clause in their contract?
wfd7878
What crap. Did Mickey Moore write this?
MajorRevisions
Her name was Jamie Lee Jones and she worked for KBR. She was 19 years old, drugged, gang raped and locked in a shipping container. She has been fighting for three years against the manditory arbitration clause of her contract to get some type of justice. An ammendment to the FY2010 Defense Appropriation that would not permit anyone doing business with the Dept of Defense to have manditory arbitration on issues like assault and battery. It passed 68-30, guess what party 30 nay votes are members of?
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n--Y--morecowbellbswitzer
To nb-moe--Yes, the information is true for the most part.
The company is KBR which is part of Halliburton. Halliburton is the company formerly centered in Texas that was in Chapter 11 bankruptcy when Cheney left them to become the VP. Government contracts were channelled to Halliburton often without competitive bidding during the Bush presidency. Once Halliburton was rebuilt with billions of US dollars, they moved to Saudi Arabia to avoid having to pay taxes as a US company.
KBR's contract has a clause stating that all employee issues would be handled by arbitration and, as part of the process, the employee would be silenced from commenting on what happened to them. KBR pointed to this clause to prevent rape victims from pursuing legal action.
expatgirl
Cheney makes me want to PUKE..lived in the Middle East for four years and all I have to say is he is so greedy, corrupt, clueless about what really is national security..Obama has given a new image and respect for America something he took away and wasted soldiers who died and those who now suffer for PTSD and have pretty much lost their life even though they are living. Cheney makes me sick!!!
deathbychocolate
In a message titled "Don't Let Dick Cheney's Buddies Silence Rape Survivors," on Friday, 10/23, the National Organization for Women asked for firepower to beat back defense contractors.
The defense contractors are fighting Sen. Al Franken's (D-Minn.) amendment to a defense appropriations bill pending in Congress
Franken's amendment will deny defense contracts to companies that "restrict their employees from taking workplace sexual assault, battery and discrimination cases to court."
The defense contractors, of course, are hysterical.
NOW wrote that Franken's amendment--which Sen. Inouye voted for!--now "is in jeopardy because of the lobbying of Appropriations Committee Chair Sen. Daniel Inouye (D -Hawaii) by deep-pocketed defense contractors.
"The Huffington Post reports: 'Multiple sources' both inside the beltway and in defense-contracting circles reveal that Appropriations Committee Chair Sen. Daniel Inouye (D -Hawaii) may water down or remove the provision, due to pressure from defense-industry contractors who fear they will be susceptible to lawsuits.
" 'The defense contractors have been storming his office,' said a source with knowledge of the situation. 'Inouye either will get the amendment taken out altogether, or water it down significantly. If they water it down, they will take out the Title VII claims. This means that in discrimination cases, they will still force you into a secret forced arbitration on KBR's (or other contractors') own terms -- with your chances of prevailing practically zero. The House seems to be very supportive of the original Franken amendment and all in line, but their hands are tied since it originated in the Senate. And since Inouye runs the show on this bill, he can easily take it out to get Republicans and the defense contractors off his back, which looks increasingly likely.' "
Contact Sen. Inouye via the Appropriations Committee's Defense Subcommittee staffer Nicole DiResta, 202-224-3506. If the voice mail is filled, try the committee's main number, 202-224-6688, during working hours because it doesn't seem to have voice mail.
You can also contact Sen. Inouye by leaving a message at his site, http://inouye.senate.gov/Contact/Email-Form.cfm
orkaambe
Halliburton
isabella
You can contract out of or agree not to sue for negligence. In most legal systems you cannot "contract out of" criminal offenses. The offense is against society, not just against the individual. It happens rarely, but charges can be brought even if a victim refuses to give evidence if proof can be obtained by other means eg some domestic violence statutes specifically authorize police to bring charges even when victims refuse to give evidence.
I would have thought a clause in an employment contract requiring an employee to agree to be the victim of a criminal offense would be unenforceable, probably void for illegality.
Cymatic
You're right, it reads like an internet generated hoax - it is simply too awful to imagine that it would be true - but it is. The hero in this story is Al Franken who put a proposition forward to stop the government from giving any contracts to any company that had this rapist protection in its contract. Amazingly, over 30 Republicans voted against it. That really made me sick.
Watch "The War Tapes" which documents national guardsmen's experience in Iraq to get a little insight into how awful KBR really is. KBR was regularly putting drivers onto routes that had terrorist snipers in vehicles with no bulletproof glass or body armour. These poor contracters were getting killed to deliver some hamburger buns because KBR didn't feel their lives were worth the extra money. Sickening, just sickening.
Youwot
Best descriptor of Cheney's rants so far - from Michael Tomansky of the Guardian.
"This post is not about Dick Cheney's attack last night on Barack Obama. Who cares what mephitic effluvium that skunk emits".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/oct/22/dick- cheney-usa
wfd7878
Is this site from Hollywood? Nothing but far out left coast baloney here. Bye.
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n--Y--morecowbellcomeback4pif
wfd7878 pull your head out of ... the ground! Guess you prefer the crackpot nonsense of Glen beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the fascist wanna bes eh?
LiveAsEqual
To paraphrase the English king, Longshanks, in the movie "Braveheart": "The only thing wrong with the Cheney household, is that its full of Cheneys"
snowball
Dick Cheney is a BUM and a traitor to this nation he should be in jail with Bush and Wallstreet executives who have hurt American Middle class he is pathetic
Hotfrostins
If you Judge the Bush and Cheyney clans solely on the results they produced for our nation as they are prematurely attempting to do to President Obama via the Ailes propaganda machine they they are guilty. Guilty of almost destroying the American dream to enrich themsevles via war profiteering an conservative dogma brainwashing and shadow government power collectivism. President Obama is attempting to pull us all back from the brink but these Cheyneys are ill and they refuse to unwrap patriotism from the Patriarchs scoundrel like actions.
Turnright
Obama has shown little respect for the prior administration. Something we have not seen in our life time. So when your records is misrepresent by the current administration, the gloves come off. Obama's latest attempt at silencing the right is beneath the office he holds. Cheney is not Obama's only critic with the polls dropping significantly on his policies.
Billsharma
Respect has to be earned. Creatures of habbit good or bad never realy learn to look but they will react " Right". To be critical of some thing, you first have to understand it and "Rightists" have never understood this principle. Therefore they blindly follow the leads of their beacon of leadership who by virtue their postion has exploited their followers. It does not matter whether it is the " right " or the " left" both are extreme views of reality which make only 40% American Public allas 60% of the Americans don't really count because they just go about their life. As the saying goes water always moves faster along the banks then in the middle of the lake or river. Dick should not open his mouth and put both his feet in it. May Lord might help him.
GM2009
What part of protecting Cheney and Bush from prosecutions for war crimes and crimes against humanity and treason do you find most disrespectful?
Hotfrostins
They wrecked the car and handed Obama the steering wheel.... Why in hell would you expect him to respect what they have done.
isabella
The Obama administration is unique in threatening to criminalize acts of the prior administration, pursue DOJ lawyers and the CIA for trying to keep the country safe. This is Third World dictatorship stuff. Obama plays good cop bad cop with Holder but the intention is payback to pacify the loony Left.
Democrats abused Bush for eight long years. Calling him a Nazi was the least of the accusations. The behavior was often close to seditious and was certainly viewed that way by America's enemies.
Now Cheney must be silenced for pushing back? People who think this way should remember that next time they will come for you.
asaclemons1
Lee Siegel is obviously a Democrat through and through and sounds like a ranting lunatic. Give me George W, Bush anydat over this Obama crap.
GM2009
"Lee Siegel is obviously a Democrat through and through and sounds like a ranting lunatic."
In the fevered swamp of your imagination. Mr. Siegel is perfectly coherent.
ehrobinson
Amen Brother or Sister, I agree hold heartily!!!!
ilveekmjk
If I believed in an anti-Christ, it would be Cheney. He is so evil, like a cancer that seeps into every possible crevice.
I have never seen a former president/vp behave as he has/does once they have left office. There is something seriously wrong with that man. Personally I believe that he is working hard to cover up the many shady things that he did while in office. He is afraid!
jimmyrk3
Ilveekmjk,
Well I do believe in the antichrist and it is closer to the elected official in the Whitehouse now than Dick Cheny.
shrinkwrapped
The only anti-Christ here is Obama, held up by a goon squad who will do anything short of national censorship to silence his justified critics. He is the thin-skinned coward who believes himself to be the Holy Messiah, yielding only to his fragile ego. He is truly the most divisive president we have ever had in the history of this extraordinary Republic. He openly hates any American who disagrees with him, painting them as racists and idiots. Who knew that in just 10 months of office, Obama would single-handedly begin to dismantle the greatest country on earth? It's one thing for a man to be hell-bent on his own destruction, but don't take the rest of us down with you!
BigBearFromTX
"IF you believed in an anti-Christ...?" Does that mean you don't? Or does that actually mean that you don't believe in Christ...or in God? Just asking for information's sake...neither condemning nor affirming. You may remember that even "muslims" (a transliteration of the REAL English term... Moslem... derived during the era of Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali) recognize Jesus...as a "prophet"... and they believe in Allah, which is their refererence to God. They just don't believe that Jesus is the son of the living God, nor do they accept him as their savior. But then I suppose this creates a conflict in all Obama-ites, because they believe that HE is the true messiah, don't they? Oh, BTW, "Muhammed" is another transliteration.....the REAL English word for the principle prophet of Islam is Mohammed! Maybe this is why the 'Muslims' are so p.o.'d at us....we can't even properly pronounce (or spell) our own words, relating to their religion and its chief prophet!!! How would WE like to be known to THEM as "Christers", and have Jesus called Jaykus?
isabella
What are you ON? No living American has seen a new administration try to criminalilze acts done legally by the previous administration.
This administration is working overtime trying to cover up its incompetence by dredging up fatuous charges against their predecessors.
cavetroll
You have never seen a vice president behave as he does? really? Al Gore ring any bells. What about former presidents? How about that fool Jimmy Carter, Published antisemitic rich white plantation owner from Georgia points his tyrant loving gnarly finger at everyone else and calls them racist?
What about the goof we have for a VP today. Bumbling Joe Biden whose oratory makes Yogi Berra sound like a Winston Churchill. Obama is a liar and a fascist. Some of you left wing loonies ought to look up the meaning of the word as it fits precisely what is happening today, Government is taking over business to control the population and keep them at bay. Obama is a smiling face on an ugly tumor.
Cymatic
shrinkwrapped - Obama debates his critics... that is actually different from censoring. The left said invoked the words "Fascism" and "Totalitarian" for Bush and Cheney because of things like unlimited warrentless wire tapping - which actually are standard in Fascist, Communist and Totalitarian regimes. So are torture, producing false evidence to justify war and massive no bid contracts to one's own company. Responding to criticism and dishing out verbal drubbings are part of a healthy democracy.
ehrobinson
obviously, this proves he isn't, get a grip!
eisenhowerkid
He's a socio-psychopath and insanity is often hereditary, so no surprise that his spawn are inclined toward emulating such behavior..complete with the stench of rancid bile that blasts out every time he opens his thin-lipped little mouth..the warted, snaggle-toothed sneer..the sweaty, red-streaked forehead, vessels all a-popping out..giving one pause to wonder whether we are not seeing signs of a lurking embolism about to take place, bursting forth like some alien creature implanted within, long ago? Siegel's comparison brings to mind an excerpt from another literary classic..."..a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying..nothing.."
Tuhlmahn
Wow - you write with such synaptic snapping power and predjudice. And, can quote Shakespeare (who's quote you refer to is about LIFE by the way). I can feel my own lurking embolism nearing a quixotic explosion. Go back to writing dime novels.
GM2009
Actually, I thought he looked quite tanned. Wonder who he has been hunting this fall.
isabella
Eisenhower, the real one, would be offended by your ugly thoughts. Only a psychopath would describe another person in the language you used.
Children (and the master Nazi propagandist Goebbels), have a saying: "what you say is what you are". You certainly are.
You should change your name so as not to besmirch that of a great man and president.
cavetroll
Your no Eisenhower thats for sure.you should try something caffien free.
Fulltimemom
Seriously, the country's woes are Dick Cheney's fault? And his family? Give me a break. Get a life and come up with something better than this. He is completely inconsequential to anything going on in the US. Do you have a brain? Why the blame game? Cheney is not the one who has plunged our nation into unreconcilable debt.
GM2009
Right...
Speagle
Yeah, he's the who who dragged us a stupid war. Mom, send your son to Afghanistan. "Get a life"... killed.
Hotfrostins
Cheyney/ Bush crossbred deep taxcuts with 2 wars and 4$ a gallon gas to create the monster now consuming the nations wealth and resources at record levels. Seriously, you need to come up with a better take on reality. At least you admit we were plunged into all of this. Now if only you can come to recognize and admit that it was years in the making deep inside the Cheyney Lab.
DukeofURL
ok..ok...leave the poor beast alone...what's he ever done for you? Must we retrace his cloven hooves back to that Great Vietnam Thing, and find the Dark Lord's blood-lust hadn't started just yet? He wasn't a warmonger then, rather, he shirked his all American right to bear arms in defense of his country, and sat out the conflict as a draft dodger. At least his puppet on a string boss "served" in the Champagne Squadron.
Give credit where cred it due!!!!
cavetroll
Liberals are fond of remembering Viet Nam. I wonder if they remember they started it. Their exalted crook of a leader the then Mr wonderful war on poverty LBJ. yeah he sent a lot of us over after the other one hit wonder JFK screwed us up real good buy joining the wrong side over there. We should have fought the French, but Johnson sent thousands of us there and then turned , tucked tail and ran. That's right he quit and slink-ed away. and Tip O'niel (may he forever roast in hell) played political ping pong with the lives of our troops cutting funding to prevent us from winning every time it was about to end. yea, you lost that war liberals, and you bastards did the same thing then your trying to do now , get soldiers killed in enough numbers to appease the spineless left call for a surrender. In case some of you gutless liberals forgot we are in Afghanistan because of 9/11. Guess you forgot too that it wasn't Bush or Cheney that sent us to Iraq. It was Hillary, remember Bush went to congress and no they didn't take his word for it about wmd's, it was Hillary that pleaded and said her own sources had verified the information as being accurate. That sent the liberals into a left wing blood lust and they authorized the war on Iraq . Not Cheney who had no constitutional authority to do so. Not Bush who didn't lie, after all he was taking Hillary's word for it, and he did ask congress and they said He's got em go get em.
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smallreptile
Gosh, Badalice, aside from your racism and inability to spell, why are you so worried about the homo (especially the dread "gay homo")? Got some personal issues there? And who or what is Manbala? Is that some kind of black, communist, gay monster that comes out at night and mutilates livestock? At what point does an individual become over-educated, as opposed to ignorant and proud of it?
Just remember, the biggest balls make for the biggest target, and no one loves a bully. You and Dick swing your bad balls too far, and there's a good chance they'll swing back and smack you in the face. Try to have a nice Saturday night, with all those homos out there.
newsomea
Dick Cheney is no worse than OBAMA...
FIJIAN
Year right ! Never get into an argument with an idiot - you'll just lower yourself to their level and they'll beat you with experience.
DocHumboldt
Dracula can beat up Wolfman.
trocar
Yet another example of the fact that we need "political affirmative action" in the meda: every network would be required to hire 50% Republicans and 50% Democrats for all of their jobs (including the Editors). That's a real "fairness doctrine."
cavetroll
May as well just let the government tell you if your on the right or the left. trocar. how about letting viewers decide for themselves what they want. personally I have no interest in left wing propaganda from air America or the Huffington post. now I know both sides lie but the right lies in favor of decency. the left lies in favor of bigotry. Democrats hate anyone with a dollar more than they have and that's the truth.
happytexan1955
Good for Dick Cheney. We need to get tough on terror. What ever it takes to keep our country safe is ok with me. We need to get rid of the pinko commie bastards in the Wahington. Wheather in the congress or the White House. Good for Cheney. As far as oil goes, everyone that drives a car should support our efforts to keep it flowing. How many want to walk to work or for that matter how many live close enough to walk to work. Again, I hope the GOP and Cheney finally are able to get the attention of the real loyal americans.
FIJIAN
Never try to teach a pig how to dance. you'll waste your time and just annoy the pig.
joelstone
happytexan1955- What world are you living in ? Cheney did more to take away your rights as an American than any other VP in U.S. history ! He helped facilitate an illegal war without strategy or end ! I hope the GOP wander the wilderness forever ! Do you like being dependent on foriegn oil ? Do you want to keep U.S. hegemony going forever ? Dick Cheney only cares about money !
ehrobinson
Bravo, for happytexan1955, you hit the nail on the head!
Thanks for a good ole Louisianaian!
danle925
Mr. Chenney.....How dare you get to comment or even criticize how Obama's handling?.. a war that you created. We wouldn't and shouldn't be in this mess if it weren't because of your ideas and your former boss - or should I should I say poppeteer's intention, trying to make up for what his dad couldn't accomplish..enough of you....Please just STFU! and get offf of our lives...
cavetroll
Danle925 let me say this to all you morons that ask "How dare we" we dare because we can and you left wing fascist loonies would love to shut us up but you can't. I know you hate that we wont let you control us or rob us for your free ride that your to lazy to pay for yourself. We dare because as much as you try to silence all opposition to your attempted coop we won't let you. And whatever goofy plans you set in motion today we will simply stop and undo when we eventually regain power as you know we will. We will eventually win anyway because Democrats never finish anything they start.
FIJIAN
yeah ! the best sermons are lived, not preached.
ehrobinson
Shame on you English, we are not a bunch of imbiciles, we don't like your manner's. I firmly agree with Mr. Chenney, he speak's the truth, loud and clear!
directtalk
it may be a ploy to hit obama and save his skin for investigation in valerie case. even if a genuine investogation reveals his name he can claim it is a revenge.
datdemudbug
You took the words right out of my mouth!
roynuyda
Need to be informed here. Like what?
RMATHES
You Liberals are all MORONS. If any of you had even a fraction of a brain you would see what Mr. Community Organizer is trying to do to this country. I don't understand why you people use the word LIBERAL anyway because all of your ideas take away freedom. Dick Cheney was right about Obama. I think the biggest enemy that the United States has now is living in the White House. Maybe some of you IDIOTS will wake up and see the truth one day.
speakingout101
I mean, I guess standing for gay rights takes away freedom from people. I guess workers being paid a decent wage takes away freedom. I guess health care coverage for the sick, regardless of preexisting conditions as simple as acne takes away freedom. I guess standing for alternatives to war takes away freedom.
It's not like we're supporting unwarrented wire taps, tax cuts for the wealthy, a war that has a 58% disapproval rating (done by the Opinion Research Corporation), or anything like that. Now if we supported THOSE, I could see how we take away freedom. I wonder who does support them? hmmmm........
ehrobinson
Thank you RMathes, I could not have put your comment any better! Thank you, Thank you. All the President know's is making speeches, I thought he was already elected! Why is he still on TV everyday, should someone explain that he is now the President, so try to earn his paycheck, Who cares that he doesn't know how to dance, we had rather make sure that our country stays safe!
DocHumboldt
Back up your insults, parroted from Fox News, with some facts. Otherwise, you're just a lonely old ex-hall monitor yelling at the other kids that the tardy bell has rung and boy are they in trouble now...
roger37
...and you are a semiliterate shithead.
I hope TDB is happy with all the tunnel-visioned right wing lunatics they have attracted to this board.
polarmalik
If you drill deep enough into Dick Cheney's life and background don't be surprised if you find that he's directly connected to Lucifer, Satan and is carrying out his agenda against mankind - one wonders if the "accidental' shooting of his friend was an accident indeed - perhaps the friend said or did something which Cheney disliked or went against his (Cheney's or Lucifer's) interest, so, to correct his friend's thinking he gave a shooting warning like they do in the western movies, the only difference was that this happened in and during hunting party, perfect set-up where such a deed can easily be termed as an "Accident" - What happened to Al Gore - I often wonder if he was was given a warning to "LAY OFF, or else" and what about "YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US" - words of wisdom apparently fed by Cheney to George W. Bush the gullible former President under his direct control. Incidentally, 911 smells of Cheney and the like-minded and only a truly Independent International Investigative Tribunal can investigate to find the facts - The American people are a good and God fearing people, kind and caring and very generous indeed, "friend-in-need-is -a-friend-indeed" is what America is to the mankind. Alas, they are so gullible and fall prey to the likes of Dick Cheney & Company...God Bless America and the American People and may God guide them towards greater wisdom and justice to all mankind irrespective of caste, color, race, religion and above all may God FREE AMERICA & THE AMERICAN PEOPLE from the evil influence of the influential LOBBIES who misguide those in power and rule America and indirectly the world. The Lobbies should be disbanded and declared illegal and Lobbying unlawful - Peace will prevail at long last.
cavetroll
Polarmalik stop picking those mushrooms, your gonna hurt yourself boy.
antonio6661960
YOU ARE SO RIGHT ON! HE MAKES LUCIFER LOOK GREAT! AT LEAST LUCIFER IS MADE TO BE SICK,BUT THIS MOTHER FUCKER TAKES THE CAKE. THIS PEOPLE WELL ALL PAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE BUSH AND COMPANY WERE ALWAYS,CHEATING,LIE,STEALING.THERE ARE THE TYPE WHO I CAN BET WHO KILLED JFK!!!!!.BUSH AND HIS OLD MAN FORD,NIXION THEY DID IT KILLED HIM!.NOTICE ALL REPS. NEVER DO NICE THINGS.THERE ALWAYS FUCKING WITH THE POOR AND MEALTH SICK PEOPLE AND WOMEN,SOME ONE NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE,ALL THESE BUSH LOVERS CAN AND WELL KISS MY ASS THE DAY I SAY SO!
erick3525
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!!...withers and dies? excuse me, some things he shoots in the face, thank you very much! People he likes, such as hunting buddies just get permanent scarring from a face full of steel shot, but they get to live...somehow.
Tuhlmahn
You people with your 'hate Bush' and everybody / anything that surround him is idiotic. You need to get a grip.
crypto
ok..Ok.....OK!!! I'm gonna fix this. I own three hundred acres of prime hunting land in south Georgia. I'm gonna organize a hunt and invite Stegel. Obama, Cheney, and the rest of you wing nuts to come. It'll be twelve guage modified choke. Now all you Bush and Cheney haters come on down when I do this. I guarantee you'll enjoy it...........ONCE!!
marshallismad
I still find it hard to believe, so many people are willing to line up behind an angry old man like Dick Cheney. They seem to see no consiquence to the ruined lives in far away countries that this man has contributed to in his bloodlust for power. I am glad we have no war here at home, but that does not make me one bit more accepting of the awful situation, made worse, by our irresponsible actions in Irac.
afreeman1
This waste of skin needs to be tried for treason, fraud, abuse of power, and larceny
cavetroll
If your going to try someone for treason how about John Murtha, How about Reid. theres a couple of traitors waiting to be prosocuted for calling for surrender in Iraq, for revealing classified information to the enemy in time of war by announcing the condition of troops in the field. That Idiot Senate Majority leader Harry Reid all but said come and kill a few more and you win to the Iranians posing as Iraq's. Hey afreeman when can we see you in action spitting at the troops when they return ??
bamn2010
I"m so sick of hearing this traiter speak in public but i do believe all the investigations into the Bush administration"s shady dealings are causing him to loose his cool.
FIJIAN
yep ! No matter what you do to a skunk, It still stinks
speakingout101
He's not a vampire.
He's the Embodiment of Evil on Earth. Jeez, get your facts straight before you post. :)
samuel
Obviously Lee Siegle needs to read more history of Greece and maybe Roman history as well and see what happens when a country becomes weak and especially when a country is perceived as weak. Right now the Obama administration is apologizing for our success as a country that has fueled the development of the modern world. He shouldn't be so anxious to follow Obama in lockstep down the road to financial and physical failure of this country as we know it. And as a matter of fact, Obama lowered the prestige of the presidency when he started by attaching the Bush-Cheney administration for all of the failures of this country when it was Clinton that caused the housing failure and the Muslims that destroyed the World Trade Center, and killed our troops in a variety of locations around the world.I think you should ask the Jews about being passive to aggressors. It didn't work very well for Europe prior to WW II nor throughout history.
blr1961
There is nothing irrational about Cheny's actions. Although apparently there is not going to be any prosecution attempt against him and the other Bushies, by being an open, continual critiche can argue that any potential investigation or prosecution of him is not only wrong, but clearly vindictive. On the other hand, such strongly worded comments in of themself without any reaction from the current administration other than a curt dismissal make it appear that they are intimidated to take on someone who was so singlemindedly focused on destroying the Consititution to "save" us all. Nothing he does or says politically is without purpose even if the underlying logic is so warped it might have given Nixon the creeps (pun intended I guess).
malukchuk
The only vampires in this country are the fools that put "NoBama" and the Clintons in office.
I'm to lazy to get a job..... Redistribute wealth so I can stay home smoke weed, and pump out five kids, who will then recieve SSI for.... lets see asthma.
The media (newspaper) industry is going under because the working class people are sick of reading their liberal lies and rhetoric.... But wait NoBama will bail them out with tax payer money. We wouldn't want the world to be deprived of reading his unattainable promises. I wonder if FOX News will get any federal funding? A perfect opportunity for NoBama to take over the media, like he has with the automobile and banking institutions.
You can say what you want about Cheney, but he is more of a patriot then NoBama will ever be.
unclelew
Yeah! Those seven years of ignoring the Taliban and al Qaida and failing to catch bin Laden were just a ruse to lull them into complacency so Obama could catch them off guard and he didn't.
That unnecessary war was just George's way of showing what a real man he was. The grieving mothers of 4,000 American kids and countless Iraqis are nothing compared to the glory of Bush.
Torturing helpless people. Now, that's a real he-man's game,
Warrantless wiretaps and prison without real charges. Why, that's the way a defender of freedom would do it.
Cutting taxes for the rich in the middle of the war. Why, that's called rewarding the base.
Cutting and running during Vietnam. Little Dickie had better things to do, even though he really, really liked the war, as long as someone else did the fighting.
Dick Cheney:
Modern Republican hero and macho man.
fxc1226
Patriot? I did'nt see his ass next to me during my 2 tours of duty in Vietnam. Oh, I forgot, he had better things to do. He was too busy going to school I guess. And hey, he did'nt greet me when I got back either, musta still been busy. No one, man or woman, should have the right to dictate policy concerning a war till they've had their ass out in the field. The only reason thiss asshole wants this calamity to continue is for his own personal monetary gain.
UrbanLobster
I HATE Dick Cheney and George Bush. HATE THEM!
But for for all the debt and destruction those two jagoffs brought to this country.
Barack Obama has done more destruction in 9 months than those two did in 8 years.
America needs to wake up.
Bush and Obama are two sides of the same coin.
We need fundamental change in this country. Not more debt.
And don't give me this "he inherited BS."
He's not an heir to a throne nor is the Messiah. He's a guy who hangs out with self admitted communist and brags about his socialist agenda.
I want my kids to be free not socialist or any other kind of Marxist. And I don't want to pass my debt or your debt on to them or your children. That's immoral. Truly satanic in it's reasoning.
cavetroll
Lobster Bush didn't bring the debt. O bama brought you the debt. Emjoy it sucker.
FIJIAN
Most of the BS stuff people worry about ain't never gonna happen anyway
natco1
And Obama is the DEVIL. He screws us while he smiles and says this ain't gonna hurt
FIJIAN
It will takes a whole lotta liquor to believe that Nut-co1
sumac12
Bush sliped out of sight quietly, I wonder why cheney can't. Maybe because he was really running the country and George was just the face the people saw. We all know he was not smart enough to run the USA.
They only were in office to serve themselves...check into all the money he made and his companys made!
People have trouble with change, and Obama is intiating change in every aspect of the Govt. and country. Some will take and some won't....but we need it, and to continuing to hammer away at the good old boy structure and rebuilt one that is more fair and broader to incompas more if not all americans is a true sign of courage and making the hard decisions.
lereeves
Has he touched Obama, Yet...
It's amazing how you attacked Bush when he was President and that was okay because you were doing it.
But God help us if someone speaks ill of you choose one....
Americanbybirth
It seems ignorance among liberals runs rampid, as usual. Try educating yourself about facts instead of throwing your uneducated emotions at Mr. Cheney. He may know just a little more than you will ever give him credit for. Go talk to Senator McCain about what is torture. The only torture I know of is having to put up with idiots who think that 911 never existed. The war on Al-Qaeda is just that... war! If it means cranking up loud music at a bunch of thugs to save my troops lives... so be it. Openhand get a life.
TruthBTold00
Lee, this is the WORST article I have ever read! You speak of irrationalism however your entire article is consumed by it. A good writer/columnist/journalist/reporter writes and speaks from an objective standpoint. I was simply astonished at your blatant subjective irrationalism! Be glad and rest easy that I'm not your Boss for you would be FIRED! Read the facts my friends and educate yourself and for you Liberals-Learn to spell! For crying out loud this message board underlines your misspelled words in red. Some time from now the general pop will realize that Obama is undeserving of the Nobel Peace Prize-they never did say why he was receiving it-what has he accomplished? Do tell! If only we could revoke it when the Liberals come to their senses. Our country is in a sad state as of now, most are blinded and don't pay attention anymore. The entire election and Barrack Campaign was run on hype. I'm still puzzled that it doesn't alarm anyone that Obama has Czars in his Cabinet! Rooting for Communism anyone? Lastly I would just like to impress upon the Obama supporters that Obama is not Jesus, Jesus could build a cabinet!
Thunderwolf5169
very very well put!
DeadCorn
I believe Cheney's from a drama alright, but not one from Ancient Greece. No, Cheney is from film, 'It's a Wonderful Life,' to be exact, where he runs a town called Pottersville, D.C., or is it 'Cheneyville.' Either way he is, like his film character depicts, completely classless, a lover of a stacked deck, and vicious through and through.
CConstitution
Lee Siegel is obviously very inexperienced in lifes history and past. All he can refer to is Greek history, the Greek and Roman Empires fell, probably due to liberal likings and ignorance of the leaders and people. We in this country who have knowledge and compassion for the human race have left paganism and heretics. If anyone on this earth is a blood sucker, it's Obama and his socialist group. To take from the middle class and the rich that do not support him is anti-American. Anyone on this earth that will kill an innocent baby through abortion and esp. after the baby lives after being aborted, then killing it is inhuman, If he can agree to let one of his daughters have an abortion and then if it is botched have the baby killed, he is inhuman and uncapible of love. But,this is what Obama believes in. Even dumb animals do not treat their young that way. They protect their young with their own lives. Cheney is not a bad person, he sees what is happening to this country from behind the scenes, the average American never sees what is really going on, no one will know until it is too late. Even Lee Siegel cannot know what it's like at the top. Anyone that thinks Chaney is an oil magnet, is a complete baffoon. Bush and Cheney both gave up their oil rights years a go when the press complained about their ownerships. What monetary things has Obama given up? And; where did he get his money, no job for him was ever reported, he just keeps getting more and more rich, the presidency doesn't pay that much, so where is it coming from, just like where did his campaign money come from, there are millions of dollars he won't disclose where he got it. Are you a muslim, if not , you will be before you die, or you will be ruined financially or even killed. How would you feel if your loved ones were put in this jeopardy and you had to watch them die? Cheney isn't the enemy, so why doesn't Lee Siegel live Chaney alone and go after our enemies? Why go after someone that's not going to do him any harm? Chaney cannot hurt anyone even if he wanted to, which I'm saying with his good character he wouldn't even want to. If Cheney was a coward he would just turn his back and let America fall, he is very brave man. He is definitely not a traitor, a traitor doesn't stand up for his country, he either runs or assists the enemy, Chaney has done now of those things, so get off his back and study history, American and European history and you might learn something, but then again, maybe not, those who speak the loudest are ususally the most ignorant about what they are shouting about. To Erick 3525, Cheney didn't cause or kill anyone, our ENEMIES did. Cheney and Bush tried to prevent it from happening again, people like you and Obama will let it happen again, just you wait and see. Stop listening to all the socialist tv news and seek out the truth on you own. If you really want a free America, join the Constitution Party in your state and get back to living by our Constitution that the founding Fathers spent many, many hours writing. Good luck American, you are going to need it.
DocHumboldt
Good Gawd, C.C., go back to the fifth grade and learn to write.
seamohr
Get a new life find some body else to blame
Rightteous
We all know the truth even if Cheney had 99% of his brain tied behind his back he'd still have ten times more brains than HUSSEIN and Biden combined and you libs just hate that fact.
Counterglow
Actually, we just smirk in an infuriatingly superior manner over your inability to write a grammatical sentence. And by the way, "righteous" only has one "t" in it.
rridgsr
From all Ihave seen so far makes what Ihaxe said allalong democrats depend on all weak minded people in this country for their votees?
cdarwincole
Like Obama, Siegel and other critics of Cheney are far too ignorant, arrogant, and deceitful to make arguments that are compelling to those of us in the know. I've yet to encounter one who could hold up his or her end in a well-reasoned and fact-based dialogue. No one has ever been able to propose and stand by any specific alternative to what Bush and Cheney did in Iraq, because there was no viable alternative to ousting Saddam militarily. Clinton was the incompetent war criminal whose disasterous containment policy was seen and potrayed as seige war by Arab and other Islamic, state-controlled media, cost us our Islamic and then Europena allies, and killed an average of 5,000 Iraqi children every month -- and over a million Iraqis while during his presidency. We were lucky to have Cheney's services as long as we did. Meanwhile, Jay Rockefeller and certain other Democrats should have been tried for treason years ago for undermining Bush and Cheney, running up the cost in American and Iraqi lives and capital for crass political gain. Now the arrogant idiot Obama is shifting the battlefield from Iraq, where geographical and cultural factors are more favorable to us than anywhere else in the Middle East, to Afghanistan, where they are the leat favorable. Stupid. Sickenly stupid. Just like you Cheney critics, who have not had one intelligent thing to say in all the comments here.
dahlia
Don't you just love the spewing liberal hatred pouring out of Lee's brain. What unreasoning emotionalism. Lee's claim of Cheney sending thousands of Americans to their death is so paltry compared to the war deaths under democrat Roosevelt, democrat Truman, democrat Kennedy.
wcasey
WHAT YOU SAID HAS NO MEANING.
MAYBE HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIS FACTS
EMPTY WORDS MEAN NOTHING. EXCEPT IT INDICATES THE LEVEL OF THE WRITER.
I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK IT WORTHY TO INVESTIGATE THE THINGS HE SAYS.
CASEY PURVIS
Charlemagne712
"Mary, announced the creation of an international consulting firm that will, no doubt, facilitate any and all opposition to the slightest Obama initiative."
has she looked recently, the rest of the world and most of america loves obama, so ya, good luck with that
diamondgirl
I hate to break it to you but Most of America does not Love Obama...
I dont love him, and at least half the county doesn't either. What cool aid are you drinking?
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AlanD2
I hate to break it to you, diamondgirl, but Obama's popularity remains above 50%. Quit listening to Fox News so much...
longtalldaddy
typical numbers for a Republican over inflating your neg numbers
middleoftheroad
Actually, the Presidents approval rating shows at least half the country
does "love" Obama.
CNN/ORC 55% 10/16-18/09
ABC/Washington Post 57% 10/15-18/09
FOX/OD RV 49% 10/13-14/09
Marist RV 53% 10/7, 8 & 12/09
CBS 56% 10/5-8/09
AP-GfK 56% 10/1-5/09
Ipsos/McClatchy 56% 10/1-5/09
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n--Y--morecowbellperkssssss
I hate to break it to you but Most of America did not love Dick Cheney. What Kool aid are you drinking? As a matter of fact pull out the wheelchair for him to sit in because I have not seen him sitting in one since the Inauguration. He had no problem going up and down the stairs at the Washington Nationals games, but I gues his pacemaker was working well.
ilveekmjk
So what news station do you get your information from? Fox?
comeback4pif
Hmmmm. Every poll I see shows strong approval ratings for Obama and he did win the election outright (read popular vote) as opposed to not with W. (who was appointed Prez by a politicized Supreme Court. He interited a hell of mess from the war criminals Bush and Cheney and you have the nerve to disrespect him? So I guess like Cheney you poopoo climate change, torture, the death of thousands in unnecessary wars, the unaffordability of healthcare for those outside the Bush/Cheney economic class, etc.
Here's some advice step away from Fox, Limbaugh, the rest of the militia baiting right wing radio nuts, and read some books. Maybe start with Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine. And maybe you'll learn something that is true in this world thought not in the Orwellian worldview of Fox and Limbaugh.
Republicans blame everybody but themselves even after the worst presidency in our history. Have you righties ANY shame? You all ain't Christian that's for sure. More like anti everything Christ stood for - mercy, justice, freedom, pity, aiding the poor, and barring the rich from heaven. Look in the mirror diamondgirl, it's all you rightwingers that are the problem with this country.
newsomea
And why do you love OBAMA????? what has he done that is good for our country???? He talks a good game and then he does politics as usual..what did the last administration do that was so bad???? 9/11 made it a new game...how about all the czars???? how you like the change so far???
BACKSTAGE
I have noticed while looking on different blogs that consistently when people voice this..........blind support for the former administration, and or opposition to the current administration, thier grammar and spelling appears to be some of the least grammatically correct with spelling errors that my five year daughter would not make.
That speaks volumes about the future of the Republican party in this country. Soon they are going to be a paragraph in our history books, right under the paragraph about the whig party.
atx787
y r u all even paying attention to this "diamond" hoe?
Tuhlmahn
Indeed - 'most' of America was asleep at the wheel in '08. Not sleeping now. Most of you moon-eyed sycophants drooling over Obama will one day soon wake up in an America that is unrecognizable to those of us who love freedom and protect our liberties. Bush was hugely disappointing to many of us as well as those of your entrapped in the hate syndrome. However, the pendulum swing to the faaaaaaaar left we are now experiencing will destroy the greatest country on earth if it is not halted in future elections.
getkicksonrte66
Yeah Diamondumas where were you the night Obama was elected? Clearly you were under a rock because it was the best day in my lifetime so far!
AlanD2
newsomea asked "what has he done that is good for our country????"
Well, here's some of the good things he has done:
-- Legislation Signed --
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (Stimulus Bill)
Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act
Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act (SCHIP)
Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act
Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act
Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
-- Executive Orders --
Reversed Bush Administration policies on stem cell research
Ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay
FIJIAN
diamondgirl, That's like findin' a Diamond in a Billy goat's ass. I am a red neck, I love Cool aid, and even the Dogs love Obama, even a dog knows the difference between being stumble over and kicked, You don't
malukchuk
It is not Kool-Aid that these Moonbats are drinking...they are just simply brain washed by all the left wing loonies. I can not think of any other plausible reason for why a person would support such stupidity.
I want to pay higher taxes...... long live Obama. I only want criminals to have guns... long live Obama. I want my retirement accounts taxed so that we can redistribute wealth and life will be fair for everyone... long live Obama.
All you moonbats keep beating the "no war" drums. Heck if Clinton wasn't such an indecisive sissy, worrying about what cigar he was going to use to sodomize interns, we probably wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. How many terrorists attacks happened under his watch? What was his response.... a couple of Tomahawks into some tents in Afghanistan and blew up an aspirin factory in Sudan. And look where that got us.
Now this country is stuck with another indecisive president. I am really scared to see what happens.
By the way I am currently serving my second tour in Iraq. And yes the people here now have the opinion that are country is weaker. But you libs will think I am only lying like all the other right wing nut jobs. To afraid to face the truth and reality. Well I hope to hell you peace loving hippies no what you are doing. And by the way there is no person on earth that prays for peace more than the a Soldier.
stricconst
Do they? Last I checked his poll numbers were sinking lower around the country. He's taking to demonizing the Chamber of Commerce(not a good idea) and is becoming known as a do nothing President. Intersting that the vast vast majority oppose Obama on Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform. Interesting that his own democrats in congress are pushing back. But yah, we love him.
ilveekmjk
After reading all this muck, and seeing how we are all so influenced by the media and "polls" it doesn't surprise me why this country is so divided and so confused.
AlanD2
stricconst: Better check again. His poll numbers are actually rising these days.
AlanD2
stricconst: As for the Chamber of Commerce, have you been following the news on how many companies (like Apple and Nike) have left it recently?
They don't seem to like the CoC's denial of global warming.
And the CoC had to admit that it doesn't represent 3 million members. More like 200,000 now. That's quite a change! I wonder what other lies they are telling these days...
erick3525
Wow, do nothing president? Just listen to Limbaugh...he won't agree with anything Obama does, but he is adiment that Obama is staying busy working on his goals.
The house I bought was a fixer upper, trashed by the last person that lived in it...making all the basic repairs before being able to make it nice again took time, patience, and hard work...I think I know how Obama feels.
GM2009
"Sane people don't govern via polls."
Except when they are favorable to Republicans?
natco1
Obama is acting like a kindergarden bully. If you don't like his policies or his ideas he will censor you, as he tried to censor Fox News, as his cronies censored Humana for disagreeing with his dismanteling of health care in this country. He has tripled the national debt and is about to add one trillion
1,000,000,000, to the Federal deficit. All this while he hides under the skirts of CBS, ABC, NBC and CNN plus all the other liberal media that can report nothing negative about the Chosen One
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Aurora
My gosh, that is inspired writing; it swept along and left me breathless by the end. Way to go! I have been reading Chesterton lately and am seeing the paucity of what gets published these days.
Plus, you totally nailed the concept. Thanks.
hockeydog
"inspired writing" is exactly what this is. I kept reading, as is my tendency, with an eye to poking a hole in the construction. Went into it thinking that by affording the Big Sneer the authority of the ancient Greeks, we would have Socrates and Plato spinning in their graves.
But the story just kept getting better and better, allegorically pegging the Cheney's with each successive word.
One can only hope that all of the bluster and noise coming out of the sneer, will ultimately lead to our sitting President deciding that enough is enough, time to dust off the old "war crimes manual" and begin prosecutions for the war criminals.
Now THAT would be change even a hockeydog could believe in!!!
melissamsouza
Right on. Cheney is playing with fire; Obama probably has access to alot of material incriminating Cheney, and could get his hands on much more if he really set out to do it. Don't mess with Chicago politicians, especially not one as subtle and deceiving as Obama. Cheney's latest probably set the White House on fire--for its cowardice, unseemly lack of decorum and patriotism and utter hypocricy. I wouldn't be surprised to see more pressure on Cheney in the coming months.
djanimaequeen
Word. Time to shut his ass up.
tgrrl33
POTUS will not stand behind the prosecution Cheney and neither will anyone else. Cheney has been around too long in politics and that man more than likely has a treasure chest of blackmail material to be used against everyone in our government. Cheney, with all of his backroom dealings and covert cronies has probably compiled one of the largest collections of smut and smear material on the planet and the politicians are frankly afraid of the man and what he knows.
cavetroll
when your dusting things off hockey dog dust off the constitution. I have no doubt the snakes will try to prosecute war crimes. actually i relish the idea because then we can see that the liberals are the criminals here. Yeah maybe if you don't have them we will when were back in 2010. Now about 2010, I have no doubt that the Obama administration will try to block the vote. That's right I'm telling you right now the Obama administration is not planning to allow a vote in 2010. They will try to find some emergency to prevent any chance of losing their worthless majority but there so busy consuming themselves that the ouroboros will fail. There are Patriots that will defend that right when His administration tries it.Defend it by any means necessary.
bswitzer
Excellent piece of writing. Thank you.
youaresilly
"Cheney Blood Lust" by: Lee Siegel
I guess it is interesting reading to some. Old folks used to call it "signifying" (tryin to make a mountain out of a mole hill) but.. you lost credibility too... One commenter summed it up pretty well:
[ thedailybeast.com /blogs-and-stories /2009-10-22 /cheneys-blood-lust#comment_295567 ]
Genni2002
Enjoyable read!
The guys is one of those upstarts who comes in like a Tasmanian devil, whipping up everything into a frenzy. All spin, talk and no substance. People like him, pose all the problems (many of which they create in the first place) with NO solutions what-so-ever, name calling and finger pointing turn out to by hypos to highest order. Just look at his strange, do as I say, not as I do family.
BillCooper
What pisses me off most about Dick Cheney is his absolute physical cowardice. When he was of the age he could have put on a uniform, like me when I was drafted, he "had other priorities". On September 11, 2001, he scurried off to his secret bunker, from where he and his other draft dodging, war criminal advisors mismanaged first Afghanistan and then Iraq.
He's only happy slaughtering other people's children, when his own family is safe and sheltered from the reality of war. Morally, they are appalling. I can only hope there is justice for the Cheney in the next life.
Dick Cheney's biography should start out, "Leaving a trail of slime wherever he went...".
pacifistgunslinger
During my tour in Nam, I searched high and low for Bush and Cheney and found neither of them. Why, with two tough guys like that we could have easily won the war!
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n--Y--morecowbellConservativeNE
LMAO. What a moron. I'm sure Obama would have been right by your side in Nam, too.
cavetroll
Did you find Johnson?
wfd7878
So you were a patriot by putting on a uniform after you were drafted? By golly gee whiz. There were a lot of us who volunteered for Korea and Viet Nam - and proud of it, asshole.
bswitzer
I agree--he is surely morally deprived and totally self-serving. Sad case that his children are following suit, probably for the money.
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Owlygirl
This is as beautifully argued as it is scary. Well done and thank you.
Darklord
All that's missing is author's citation of Wikipedia for his cut and paste of Greek mythology
kscr14
I cannot take any one of the three seriously.
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ajsd76
I guarantee, 100%, that you did not understand the article...neither the analogies or the concept itself.
A beautiful piece. I like this guy's writing even when I totally disagree with him.
connie47
I guarantee you are right. This clown yesterday was trying to pass him or herself off as having a master's in international affairs, while unable to write cogent English.
The article is amazing. I haven't seen the Oresteia in nearly 40 years, but as I think back, it's the perfect setting for the Cheneys.
Reefdancer
I guarantee you s/he didn't even read it. It was a reptilian response
TDBSucks
I guarantee, I would not waste my time tring to decipher someone who needs to go to The Greeks to explain to the average person what he dislikes about one Man. A privaledged child of the Left, whoes mommy would tell him what a smart boy he really is. Is there anything easier than a degree in liberal arts and journalism. Just believe that your professor is a patriot for his bravery in opposing a government like ours. Go over to a nation like Iran and voice some opposition to government officials.
OOOWWW
Oh look another Reich wing apologists.
We got the mop in November. We are trying to mop up the dung in the middle of the room your party left.
Why your on the side saying your holding the mop wrong.
Idiot.
sophia5
Touché.
Excellent comeback.
Every time I see Cheney with that sneer, sitting in that wheel chair,
it's very reminiscent of Danny DeVito as the Penguin in "Batman."
I can just hear Cheney making that penguin noise.
Waahh . . . Waah . . . Wahh . . .
wbishop12
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
katiewon
That's your best shot?? With any luck, within the next generation you're kind will be extinct. Just like Cheney's audience.
Ldel77
Thank God...we have about 5 more years of Cheney and his group.
pacifistgunslinger
You should help regarding your constant masturbation fantasy.
amanda07070
Ah, how refreshing. Another no-point-whatsoever comment from dabeall.
amanda07070
What does your comment have to do with the piece? What do you think of the actual story? We're waiting. . . . .
nb-moe
Amanda, you're only giving him what he wants.
I'm guilty too.
nb-moe
And beside's Amanda....he's too busy looking up what "Conjecture" means......ahh, just couldn't help myself!
nb-moe
dabeall........I imagine your the reason "Conjecture" was added to the dictionary.
Both against the article and what us "lefty's " even comment on.....now go to bed with the rifle and have a nice nap.
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Aurora
Well, good for you. Self-fulfilling preconceptions are so satisfying.
Nighty-night.
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AlanD2
Our liberal cause is doing just fine, dabeall, thanks to the incompetence of conservatives like you and the Cheney trio.
rationalrepublican
Dick Cheney is a hot Crock-pot full of crazy evil, and has been since his heart attack shut off the blood supply to the rational quadrant of his brain. To paraphrase King Henry II, "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?". Where is an assassin when you need one, I wonder? No other former Pres or VP has tainted the dignity of their office by meddling in a subsequent administration's process on a public level (even the chimp, W, doesn't do it, bless his tiny little heart).since our union was formed. Cheney doesn't adhere to the rules of protocol -- let Fox News, Limbaugh, and Beck spout their silly mouths off -- a former VP should be above this childish petulance and shut the hell up! As for you "debeall", can you spell ignorant? I doubt it, since you seem to be unable to spell a few other multi-syllabic words -- perhaps you don't read very well either....oh, yeah, i't's apparent that you don't.
C2UrHealth
It is sad... so many vitriolic, short sighted people, with few facts, a lot of lies, twisted truths, and a lot of hate. I cant believe the petty, hateful comments I've seen here. Where is your humanity? That goes for all of you, not just for "dabeall". Not just the Reps, but the Dems too.
It is time to stop the hate and work toward Peace.
Warmongers do not create peace... they create war... war does not create peace, war creates hate, hate creates violence, violence creates war.
It is time to stop the hate, AND Search Out The REAL facts,
Do your own Research...
Think for Yourself...
STOP Parroting...
Stop being snookered or hoodwinked by the imaginative, creative, twisted, unsubstantiated half truths, innuendos and hypocrisy permeating hateful talk shows and Fox News.
To be civilized, it is essential to educate and communicate, not just Dictate, Legislate and Annihilate.
It is a huge accomplishment to change gears from a mentality of Confrontation, Hatred, Violence, annihilation, and War, to opening dialogue, listening, compassion, understanding and Peace.
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isabella
DB:
This comment is racist and disgusting. Please remove it. The writer thinks he is in his own living room where filth is the norm.
isabella
DB: Publishing the comment from fxc1226 diminishes the site and your credibility.
Why do you permit foul language and black racism, not to mention the disgusting suggestion of incest?
If BLACK was substituted for WHITE in such a post you would delete it. Why the double standard?
Don't you know or care that three young black men in South Florida have just been sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole, for forcing their victims to commit incest? Speech enables action. Say it often enough and it ceases to shock and becomes part of the culture. Your apathy demeans you and other contributors.
fxc1226: you should apologize and try to stop such gross speech among young people instead of using it to denigrate others just because you don't like them. The next child to go to prison for life could be your own.
You should seek professional help for your hatred.
truthiness2
Hogwash!
adventure108
Great story, thanks for writing it. Cheney is truly an embarassment to our country. And obviously he is trying to show Obama that if Obama's adminstration goes after him in court, he will try to make Obama pay through this kind of demagoguery (sp?). I hope you keep the sedition story line alive - that is what it is.
cavetroll
Cheney doesn't embarrass me, Obama and Biden do. Obama knows as does everyone in Congress and the Senate you can't prosecute Bush or Cheney without prosecuting all of Congress and the Senate. They authorized everything. Are you really dumb enough to believe the congressional liars who said they took the word of a Republican.Democrats just blindly agreeing with the opposition party to a war ?? Grow up kid.
isabella
If Obama "goes after"Cheney in court he will need a lot more evidence than has been published to date. The case would still fail because most sensible Americans do not want their presidents to be hounded when they leave office for doing their best to keep the country safe.
Criticism of a president is not sedition.
If Obama criminalizes the Bush administration he can look forward to the same kind of treatment at the end of his term. Sounds like Pakistan. They execute ex-leaders after a show trial. Or maybe Liberia. They execute them right after the coup, on the beach, without a trial. Great examples for America to emulate.
fxc1226
Another one just dying to get into bed with Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rigel1
This is a very insightful and thought provoking essay. You brilliantly surfaced a part of Vice President Cheney and his family that is known to others but unknown to them. ~ richard allbritton, Miami, http://rallbritton.blogspot.com
nikkya
that why ? is stupid anyone with any sense would realize along with being just plain crazy he also a racist and if you look at most of them in the media and actually look at their face you can see the distain when they have to say his name but the media have hyped and held cheney for eight in all his crimminality that is why he feels like he can't be touched because if you say some thing about him some of the media scream like stuck pigs take morning joe he is the worst his face becomes distorted if some one says something about him so this is what has been going on for the last eight years
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cavetroll
Nikkya you have been here long enough . Learn the mother tongue. And if you hate it so much why are you watching Morning Joe? I don't watch it because Joe Scarborough is to Liberal for me...
dwood7219
Cavetroll:
You are ignorant.. Sniff, sniiff. Is that neo-facism I smell on your foolish breath?? Your comments come much closer to that ridiculous label than anyone you try to smear with it.
Angellight
Dick Cheney and Fox have a job to do -- they have not yet completed their mission of destroying the United States. They work for the Dark Foces of the Planet. And,The President has a right to address misconceptions about his administration. To not do so, would be foolish and oh, so not smart. The Party of No and Deception, have been bashing President Obama for months -- he is not born in the U.S., he is a socialist -- they can say whatever they want but when someone speaks back, not fight back in a nasty way, they call Foul! How disingenuous. We want a President who can set the record straight -- and point out the clear, cold facts. We need this now in this era of so much misconception and deception. That is part of the Change. Again, thanks Mika for taking the high road!
diamondgirl
Your right about Cheney but if it weren't for Fox I wouldn't know what I know about Obama. The MSM has such a love affair with him; they don't want you to know anything...
As for destroying the United States, I think Obama with his Porkulus bill that was supposed to create jobs, Obama and his buddies in Congress and the Senate are destroying this country. The deficit was bad enough, and they are tripling it. Taking over companies, bailing them out,extending unemployment, instead of creating jobs for them. What a crock of s..t he keeps feeding you and you just keep buying..
This country is full of misinformation from both sides, who are you kidding. Obama has a right to correct things he thinks are wrong but Fox has a right to call it like they see it. Obama has no right what's so ever trying to silence Fox News, in case you haven't noticed we don't live in Iran, or Venezuela.
pacifistgunslinger
Can't remember when Bush or Cheney were interviewed by The Nation or Mother Jones.
amanda07070
This is about the 5th time I'm sending this link to diamondgirl. She refuses to acknowledge it and still insists Fox News is actually news. It's proof that one of her favorite news sources argued in a Floria court that there are "no rules against falsifying the news"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo rum=385&topic_id=375393&mesg_id=375442
MajorRevisions
So the fact that the national debt was $5.73 trillion when GWB took office (with small budget surplus) and $10.7 trillion when he left (with the economy in free fall) you are now worried about what Obama is trying to do? Don't get me wrong I love Fox "News", no make that all cable "news". The Daily Show wouldn't be funny without the clowns from those "news" channels. They done call it the boob tube for nothing.
dwood7219
Do you live in some dark part of the country where you only get 2 channels on your black and white TV? Both Fox (I refuse to call it News) and MSNBC have their own set of values, I agree. So you don't like MSNBC, don't watch it. But maybe you might want to check out a station other than Fox and not MSNBC to see how much the world has changed while you were hiding out under the rock with Sean, Glen, Bill, Karl, et al. Not all stations are lying, fabricating stories and airing outlandish, psychotic items by people wearing tin foil hats. The rest of us are out in the bright sunshine thinking of the possibilities, while the rest of you are under the rock with all the worms contemplating the end of the world.
mecantilla007
why didn't we invade saudi arabia after they attacked us anyway. maybe it had something to do with W's dad being a member of the Carlyle group. google it. No wait, you can't. google is owned by liberals. also, we should have invested the social securities system in the stock market like bush wanted. another genius idea. stocks have been kickin' ass.
admiralj
Yes, and Fox news or anything like it would not be on the air there either. Iran would control it (the government) and Hugo would nationalize it (the government).
And because you must have ADD let me remind you of something. The bailout that you are referring to was Henry Paulson's (Bush's guy) mess, he even stated that he would NOT ask those who recieved money from the government for an accounting of how it was spent. ??? can you believe that? A banker not asking what the loan would be used for? Good luck on us taxpayers getting our money back from that bad deal. And who shipped those jobs overseas in the first place?
The last honest President from the Republican party was Dwight D.Eisenhower. From Nixon on they have all been crooks who were out to line their own pockets. Eisenhower warned us about them, but we didn't listen.
At least one good thing will happen in my lifetime, the complete destruction of the Republican party. By their own hand.
cavetroll
Angellight when you say Fox news don't forget the 50 % of the entire television viewing audience that watches them. Compare that to the 50 or 60 viewers Olberman gets, And I'm sure Rachel Madow gets dozens of viewers to cackle like you.Someone should tell Madow he needs a shave.
dwood7219
50% of what viewing public??? Oh, I forget you get your statistics fron Billy Boy O'reilly - he sure is fixated on quoting those skewed numbers,aiin't he?? So why does anyone even know who Keith or Rachel are if only 50-60 people ever watch them. And why is Billy so obsessed with spouting his fabricated numbers proving more watch him than them. May very well be true, but why do they sacre him so much? Ask you god Billy that one, please.
And your remarks regarding anyone's sexuality prove my previous point. Uder the rock you are. Throw those pebbles out once in a while, go ahead. You and the other 50% of YOUR population. Forget that she is a Rhodes Scholar or anything else regarding intelligence. You and your cronies cannot ever hope to measure up to her intelligence so you attack her sexuality. I take brains (regardless of the person sharing it) over narrow minded Fox-spoon fed robots any day.
cavetroll
I agree Obama is not a socialist. This is a misconception. He is a Neo-fascist.
Austerlitz
"Scoundrel Times" might be the descriptor hung on the years we have just passed through. But then, the Cheneys won't go away, so maybe we're not out of the woods yet. One can't be certain about much in life. But I am convinced that in the footnotes to the histories written about the early 21st Century, the former vice-president will be the most outrageous example of those who pushed policies that nearly destroyed us. I do heartily hope that he lives to be 100, so that he may witness the extent of the damage he and his friends have done to this country, and hear the verdict of history regarding his own contributions to the mess we're in.
drkaza12
admiralj; you're right on point. also dick che'ne'y endorsed paulsons inept form of a stimulous. exonerating himself of any responsibility from it's blowback, and basically allowing the banks to right their own contract with the traxpayer's. che'ne'y even went so far as to hold a republican congressional meeting, exclusive to the gop, demanding for undisclosed reasons why they had to go along with paulson tarp plan. regrettably most of them complied.
che'ne'y's thing is power. he's a great student of machiavelli. his quest in life is to claim it, and he will lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to aquire it. to get it he uses nobel truths that gullible sheep like several of the afore mentioned commentarians have indicated. ramping up to the iraq invasion and during it he lied exclusively; it is well documented.
his form of diplomacy is to exacerbate any situation. to create an atmosphere of neglect and a reason to be afraid, defining himself as the only solution. create the problem, for which he possesses the remedy.
history is punctuated with villians, and despicable men. DICK proceeds from the loins of a long list of cruel malicious and characters, who as princes believe in cruelty over mercy, in parsimony over generosity, and fear over love, for which everything unlike his reptilian kind must suffer.
TDBSucks
The mess we are in are due to those like you, the really dumb, ill educated children of the Left.
Cheney's ok as far as I see it. on the otherhand, you suck. . .
thank you
woodnut
I think America proved that it didn't want to listen to this obstructionist blowhard last November.
festmatt5440
Yeah ; they proved they had no brains .
shag11
Brains and common sense. You must be part of that 20% that Bush/Cheney had near the end of their terrible reign.
AlanD2
Well, at least you've proved you have no brains, festmatt5440.
Thank you.
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