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It's Time for Us to Go

Afghanistan Brennan Linsley / AP Photo Get out of Afghanistan now, Mr. President. And here’s why.

I’ve lived in Washington since 1981 and have been a faithful reader of The Washington Post ever since. I think I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have seen the word “resign” in a front-page headline. So when that word does appear, it’s a true “bacon-cooler” moment, to use the industry term for a story so arresting that your hand pauses en route to your mouth and the bacon goes cold while you read, spellbound, to the end of the story.

If you have not seen Karen DeYoung’s Oct 27 story, “U.S. Official Resigns Over Afghan War”, you owe it to yourself, your country, and our soldiers over there to read it. But even more powerful than Ms. DeYoung’s stunner of a scoop is the accompanying letter of resignation itself of Matthew P. Hoh, the 36-year old Marine-turned-Foreign Service Officer. It is a cry of conscience and an indictment of our continued presence in Afghanistan.

One doesn’t envy Mr. Obama, but he’s the Decider now.

One can only pray—I use the word literally—that President Obama will read it before he makes his fateful decision about where we go from here in Afghanistan. One doesn’t envy Mr. Obama, but he’s the Decider now. To quote John Kenneth Galbraith, father of Peter Galbraith, who was recently sacked from his U.N. job for making too much of an impolitic fuss over Karzai’s blatant electoral thievery in Afghanistan, “Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.”

Since you are reading this post on a computer, you’ll be able to read Mr. Hoh’s letter yourself. I won’t recapitulate it all here—it demands to be read in its entirety. But to limn some of his more salient points….

In essence, he says, the U.S. is little more than a “supporting actor” in a long running tragedy of Afghanistan’s now 35-year-old civil war.

Reading his letter, I thought of the famous exchange between the Confederate soldier and his Yankee captor.

Why do you hate us so, Johnny Reb?

Because this is our land, and you’re on it.

Walter Russell Mead: Why Saving Afghanistan Requires Cutting Deals with Shady People

Michael Smerconish: Musharraf on Fixing Pakistan and the Afghan Surge
Mr. Hoh writes that “like the Soviets”—a phrase to send a shudder up any American spine—“we continue to secure and bolster a failing state, while encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted by its people.” The bulk of the insurgents, he says, are fighting not under the flag of the Taliban but against the presence of foreign soldiers.

The situation, he writes, “reminds me horribly of our involvement with South Vietnam; an unpopular and corrupt government we backed at the expense of our nation’s own internal peace, against an insurgency whose nationalism we arrogantly and ignorantly mistook as a rival to our own Cold War ideology.”

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October 28, 2009 | 10:36pm
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NHBill

bless you CB

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11:43 pm, Oct 28, 2009
jcarlson

Both of my sons are active duty--one as an officer and has served 2 tours in Iraq, the youngest is enlisted and one his second tour in Afghanistan. He was here on leave in August--he had lost 2 friends one in front of him and the other he helped pick up the pieces. I am so worried about him--a gentle and kind young man who is grieving and wondering has it been worth it. I am tired of being a 'mother of war' and was greatly moved by Mr. Hoh's letter. I am relieved that our President is taking a pragmatic approach and am hopeful that there will be a timeline and we will stop being the world's policeman and rebuild our country at home.

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2:27 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Fentro

One thought - since we have no jobs, what are these guys gonna do when they come home? I'm too old to join the army, so now I get to compete with an Iraq vet for the shoe salesman job.

A laid-off IT consultant

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9:20 am, Oct 30, 2009
bigwurzz

I say stay at war for another few years. If we are going to bring the whole house down and make the IT consultant above compete for his shoe salesman job lets just get it over with quickly and start building a thunderdome now while we still have gas.

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1:46 pm, Oct 30, 2009
Garvagh

NHBill: I join you. And Robert Gates in 1988 thought the USSR would not pull its troops out of Afghanistan! They left in early 1989!

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7:25 pm, Oct 30, 2009
PUPITO

Mr. Buckley, you are absolutely right on. We should heed your calling. I for one will call ASAP. Thank you.

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1:54 am, Oct 29, 2009
xlntcat

I fear that Mr Buckley is right but know that neither he nor I have full access or even partial access to all the information needed to decide how to proceed in Afghanistan. We aren't pulling out now and we do have obligations to a nuclear Pakistan, but it is hard to see this ending well. I have said before that if I were Obama, I would have pulled a Palin on day two. Why would a sane person want his job?

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3:39 am, Oct 29, 2009
Llplo99

I agree with you. We don't have access to all the information but I am very grateful that we have a president that will analyze the situation carefully before putting our young men and women in harm's way.

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8:35 am, Oct 29, 2009
amcatanzaro

Consider that if all sane people did not want to be president, only insane people would be left! (Although in looking over present and past potential presidential candidates, I would seriously question their sanity!)

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2:00 pm, Oct 29, 2009
mauilassie

So are you a good judge of people? Let me re-phrase that. Are you in any positiion to judge other people?

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7:21 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Garvagh

xlntcat: Surely Winston Churchill was quite sane, and he knew he was the man of the hour, to prevent Nazi Germany from winning WWII. Obama needs to recognize the US is bleeding itself to death with idiotic wars in the Middle East and South Asia.

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7:27 pm, Oct 30, 2009
connie47

Bring the troops home. I was pilloried in the '60s for saying the same thing, but I still believe I was right then and I believe I'm right now.

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6:12 am, Oct 29, 2009
kscr14


Breaks my heart every morning when I see the headlines.Why are we there?

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7:16 am, Oct 29, 2009
AuntBarb

We are involved in Afghanistan because the people who attacked us on 9/11/01 are still there. Ditto for our involvement in Pakistan.

I think President Obama is leaning toward a partial pullback and keeping up or increasing targeting al Queda operatives in both countries. I'd rather everybody was safe and sound back home here. But we were warned this would be a long fight, and just because some folks have only recently noticed American bodies coming home in boxes (it's been going on for almost a decade) it doesn't mean we should, to borrow a neocon phrase, "cut and run".

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10:22 am, Oct 29, 2009
kscr14

Read Mr. Hoh's letter.

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11:02 am, Oct 29, 2009
roberttv

AuntBarb and all, please take some time to review this video... that's all I beg you. Please see the 0/11 event from this side of the explanation. Then, if you still feel we need to stay in Afghanistan, so be it. Thank you for your time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

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1:43 pm, Oct 29, 2009
shortcourse

@A.B. .....as a retired military officer, I too am very, very, leary of our involvement in Afganistan.....the people who attacked us on 9/ll are now all over the world....Al Queda is operating in many countries....we are fighting an ideoligy....a very difficult enemy.....I so want us to kill the bastards that would harm America....but we now have them here amongst us....no easy answers.......

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8:02 pm, Oct 29, 2009

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8:12 am, Oct 29, 2009
bhavanibbana

"Unfortunately, you will probably never grow up"
Says the man who pretends to be a dead general.

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9:08 am, Oct 29, 2009

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12:24 pm, Oct 29, 2009

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1:35 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Resolute

"Well, if you don't like my nome de plume, you can go fuck yourself."

yep, that's definitely what I want to hear from "adults." It's amusing to watch you flatter yourself as one, but alas, only a child would say that a man such as Mr. Buckley "knows nothing of life."

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3:18 pm, Oct 29, 2009
connie47

GPatton to Christopher Buckley,

Because of who your father was and the fact that you live comfortably, you have been stripped of your first amendment right to free speech. You have no right to an opinion or point of view.

When I say, "Leave the important stuff to adults," frankly I have no idea what I'm talking about. You look like an adult in your photo.

GPatton
Arrogance Incorporated

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2:03 pm, Oct 29, 2009
JohnnyAces

Careful Connie. You're just paving the way for more spittle and profanity from General Shrill. You have to give him credit though....when GP doesn't have anything factual to say he resorts to hollering to make it seem like he does.

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3:14 pm, Oct 29, 2009
GPatton

OK, let's wait and see who is wrong and who is right about Afghanistan. I'm sure you and some of Mr. Buckley's other friends and supporters here may end eating their words. George Patton

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7:10 pm, Oct 29, 2009
kscr14


Mr. Hoh is a hero. Reading his story and letter is a must for all Americans. Each and every day I think about if we put all the same man power and energy into protecting our U.S. borders here in our own country instead of fighting in the middle east, it would make more sense to me. Sending our men and women to other places, to protect our country ,isn't working. Obama wants to change the way things are done, well here is a great place to start. Afganistan no longer makes sense.

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8:40 am, Oct 29, 2009
DP5150

Amen!

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3:27 pm, Nov 2, 2009
reemahasnain

you are so right ...

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8:53 am, Oct 29, 2009
jts313

Thank-you, Christopher, for articulating so well what I've been thinking for many months. And thanks to Mr. Hoh for having the guts to speak out.

I have placed my calls to the offices of Senators Bayh and Lugar. I may even call the office of Rep. Burton even though we all know that to be wasting a dime.

Thanks again for a great piece.

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9:30 am, Oct 29, 2009
rpmcmurphy

People who say "we don't have access to all the information": I'm sure Hoh has much more than any of us or Mr. Buckley.

GPatton: Mr. Buckley's opinions aren't the issue. Read Mr. Hoh's letter.

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9:36 am, Oct 29, 2009
JohnConnughton

Mr. Buckley, you are mostly right but wrong in one critical thing.

You are right about this, that 'nation-building' is a futile (and arrogant) purpose. I do not wish to disengage and become isolationist, but other nations have both the right and the responsibility to mature into whatever they will be, on their own. We cannot 'give' other people what we call freedom. They must take it.

You are wrong in not acknowledging the symbolism of Osama bin Laden, who is to the best of our knowledge still somewhere near the Afghanistan-Packistan border. While his people may indeed be operating from any of a dozen countries now, he is personally still both figurehead and leader. Aside from the justice of it, removing him could not help but be a major blow to a movement that draws much strength from his success is evading and taunting us. It's all about their perceptions. We should have seriously never taken our eye off the priority of nailing that person. We should have run Afghanistan through a seive until we had him and his lieutenants-and THEN we should have left Afghanistan. It may still be possible; I do not know that, our chance may have been squandered. But until we have bin Laden in a sack he will remain an encouragement to our deadly enemies. (And time is not on our side: even death by natural causes would mean he'd have cheated us and won.)

So Joe Biden has somewhat the right idea, to concentrate on finding and destroying high-profile leadership targets. But I think to do that there must be a robust (and concentrated) command on the ground to protect the base of those operations. Then, again, as soon as we've tagged and bagged bin Laden, by all means let's get the hell out of there.

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10:21 am, Oct 29, 2009
skorpeo

JohnConnughton- i have only one regret about reading your response; that i did not write it. well said.

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1:37 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Reason

John,

You need to consider the martyr factor. Despite the justice of it, while killing Bin Laden would certainly make the American public cheer, his death would elevate him to an untouchable level among the fauthful Islamic fundamentalists.

The truth is, we are not at war with the Talaban or even Al Queda. We are at war with an ideology that will never be defeated by force of arms. The bitter irony is that the longer we stay and the more we kill, the stonger their ideological resistance becomes.

We need to learn from history. From Alexander the Great to the Crusades to Russia and now the US, no foreign presence has or will ever prevail in a military adventure in the Muslim world.

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3:11 pm, Oct 29, 2009
JohnConnughton

Hi Reason.
Yes, of course. But bin Laden is like a martyr to his people already, or even more. I would rather he be a martyr that lost his life to one that still operates against us and becomes a legend too.
I am not sure you can call raw tribe-based nationalism an ideology, but I get your point about history. Well, that's why I don't desire to stay any longer there than is necessary.

And Skorpeo, thanks. I appreciate your agreeing with me.

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4:48 pm, Oct 29, 2009
speakingout101

Martyrdom aside, if bin Laden were ever to be killed, do you seriously think that there isn't someone just as bad waiting to take his place? And do you seriously think that killing him is going to stop all al Qaeda activity in one fell swoop? I don't. Al Qaeda is like the Hydra. Every time you kill one leader, another one, just as bad, and sometimes worse grows in his place.

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8:56 pm, Oct 29, 2009
kennyvii

Thank you for this comment; a very reasonable perspective and painfully uncommon.

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12:48 pm, Nov 4, 2009
maladapted

This is the same Christopher Buckley whose poor judgment led him to be mightily impressed by candidate Obama. I think his opinion can be safely ignored at this point.

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11:00 am, Oct 29, 2009
onegratefulamerican

Can we ingnore Mr. Hoh's opinion too? I have read his letter and it is sobering.

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11:29 am, Oct 29, 2009
maladapted

Mr. Hoh is entitled to his opinion.

Would you like to ignore young Afghani girls incinerated for the crime of going to school? That will be standard procedure if we pull out. That, and worse.

The only important question is what will the crypto-marxist in the Oval office decide. I'm certain he'll make a political decision. ( He's not interested in victory, as he says) Disgusting.

Arrogant nitwits buying virtue at a discount like Mr. Buckley put this fraud in office...we'll all be paying the price for years to come.

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12:27 pm, Oct 29, 2009
JohnnyAces

"Would you like to ignore young Afghani girls incinerated for the crime of going to school? "

Is that why we are there? Is that why we should stay? Are you saying we have a good chance of stopping this incineration and thus it is worth the lives of thousands of US soldiers? Tell me maladapted, master of oversimplification and cynicism, what is the right decision in Afghanistan and what is the end game? What is "victory" and is it achievable? You need to answer that in order to back up you "disgusting" comment. Otherwise your comments are hollow.

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1:24 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Uberjeff

Wow Mal, just wow. Such great hyperbole.

So by your reasoning we should engage militarily in every single country where inhumane people rule inhumanely, right? This is the definition of Imperial Overreach, and it will bankrupt and ruin us as a nation faster than some rag tag group of a few thousand terrorists could ever dream to.

By drawing us into war on foreign soil they've been able to use the nationalist pride of the countries we fight them in to build armies that otherwise dwarf their actual membership. By drawing us into bottlenecks and difficult terrain they reduce our numerical and technological superiority.

Protecting the innocent people of Afghanistan, 'spreading freedom' and American ideology; these are not the basis for which we were sold these wars. We went there to deal with a threat, to destroy an enemy who sucker punched us and took from us thousands of lives. We have since handed them thousands more lives and nearly bankrupted ourselves after Bush/Cheney lost sight of the real objective and tried to retroactively rebrand the wars. That's what's truly disgusting.

You talk of buying virtue at a discount, meanwhile you buy yourself a false sense of safety with the blood of our young fighting men and women and pretend it's all for some higher cause. You wrap yourself in their corpses and continue to send more blood and treasure on an endless crusade of arrogance.

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1:57 pm, Oct 29, 2009
onegratefulamerican


You are correct in that this is his opinion. And with all such opinions we have to examine the credibility of it. I believe the credibility of Mr. Hoh's views on this subject are beyond reproach.


This was brought up by Mr. Hoh. If this is our agenda, then to be honorable there are a great many *more* country we will need to invade and occupy. It is the hypocrisy of say X and doing Y that has contributing factor in his view of this war.

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1:16 pm, Oct 30, 2009
madame48

just wondering, girls are being raped, tortured and killed in Africa too. When do we send your kids to fight there? a mom

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6:09 pm, Oct 30, 2009
maladapted

It's a losing proposition to care more about African girls than Africans themselves care.

Are you actuallly in favor of a miltary mission to Sudam and Somalia et al.? I strongly doubt it. So spare me the sanctimony.

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9:45 am, Oct 31, 2009
karemishis

While it is true that the USA should have left alone all Muslim countries including Iraq and Afghanistan to develop in their own way without trying to impose western values (or lack of values) and ideas on them, getting out of Afghanistan, with tail between the legs, if you will, is not an available option now.

What about the very real threat to USA security for which they went in there in the first place? The threats are even more potent now.

Trying to find moderate Taliban is a futile exercise as by definition they all are hard-wired to hate the Great Satan.

The dividing line between Al Qaeda and The Taliban does not exist. Remember how they refused to hand over bin Laden after 9/11
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USA has to stay and and get rid of the growing Taliban-Al Qaeda menace using every means at its command. When I say every means I mean every thing that the USA has, low- yield tactical nukes not excepted.

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11:52 am, Oct 29, 2009
loloo33

why there is a big juice commercial on this page, it's weird I wanted to read a serious article without distractions of pomm juice ingredients.

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11:53 am, Oct 29, 2009
kscr14

I agree.

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12:34 pm, Oct 29, 2009
OneChillyDude

Besides all the bickering on here..the funniest thing was the pomegranate juice advertisement. Anyone want to take a guess on the origin/history of pomegranates? If you guessed Persia (Iran and Aghanistan to be specific) you're correct!

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3:56 pm, Oct 29, 2009
Cardinal

Yes. By all means, let's turn Afghanistan back over to the Taliban. They were destroying their own country far more efficiently than we could ever do. We should allow them to re-install the terrorist training camps (terrorists have needs, too), put their women back into garbage bags, destroy the women's schools, destroy the women if they dare to learn or feel or even show an ankle (stoning would be good), continue to eliminate the country's cultural heritage, ethnically cleanse one another's religious opponents, and further drive the remaining population into poverty. Yes. That would be an excellent solution. Let's not rule out negotiation with the psychotic religious fanatics, just because they are psychotic religious fanatics and determined to kill anyone who isn't. After all, shouldn't we set an example of freedom of religion in Afghanistan just as we have it here? Yes. Let's do give the country back to the Taliban. Right away. Am I my brother's keeper? Surely not. And most certainly I am not my sister's keeper.

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11:56 am, Oct 29, 2009
kscr14

Let the Afghan men fight the Taliban. We train out soldiers to go to war in a very short boot camp. Then off they go to the middle east to fight the Taliban.Are we training the Afghans at all to fight this battle? Or are we fighting this battle alone.
I do not, and will never agree with this .

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2:16 pm, Oct 29, 2009
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It's Time for Us to Go

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