Not sure how the Republicans have been defiant when they have been shut out at almost every turn when it comes to negotiating bills. How do you defend the Saturday night meeting when the Dems locked the door to all Republicans when they were discussing the health bill? Didn't Obama run his campaign on having both sides at the table?????

irishlad
How bout that amendment that 176 Republicans and 64 Democrats got together on to defund women's health issues in the hc bill. Why question my stmt. when you have made up your mind, It has been quite obvious to me.

Baloney, irishlad. The Republicans have been asked over and over and over and over and over to come to the table. They have chosen instead to posture, running a nationwide campaign to stop all progress. Are you actually saying that when the Democrats caucus, they must admit Republicans, who quite correctly hold their caucuses in private, too?

irishlad: You seem to forget that Republicans added a total of 183 GOP amendments to the first four health care reform bills that passed out of committee.

I would hardly call this being "shut out".

Stop repeating Fox News talking points, please.

Any Bill that's two thousand pages long is troubling and irresponsible,
because how many of them actually read the Bills they pass ?

Is that why Congress garners respect on the level of used cars salesmen and trial lawyers ?

Hatch blurted out the truth inadvertently I am sure when he said Republics have to stop health care reform because if it passes it will be so popular a republic might never get elected again
Irishlad we'll cut you slack and assume your drunk thinking the dems should invite republics to their caucus We already have Lieberman there

You're a moron.

She didn't pull this idea of a "magic number" out of her ass. She was reacting to something Gov. Haley Barbour said. Did you even read the lead-in to the video?

"MSNBC's Rachel Maddow isn't buying what Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour is selling, promising that the GOP will back off Obama as long as he commits to sending in more troops to Afghanistan."

So is it that she isn't wise, or is it that you can't understand the context of her statement because you only watched the video and assumed she just made this up herself?

Are you referring to me, deweydecible, or did you reply to the wrong comment?

I am a fan of Rachel.

Grungy, Old, Poopypants.

Why is it conservatives despise smart woman?

I say the Maddow is smarter than Beck sure, but that is beside the point. both refuse to do more than bash the other side. seriously. If ppl can't see that both are there to whip up resentment against the other side there is little hope. Maddow is a predictable as Beck and that to me is not very smart at all.
Bill Maher is too sexist for my taste.

sadie, you're not even close! I did NOT say that she was smarter than Beck. When you get to the Ph.D. level at Oxford you're dealing with a lot more than native intelligence.

If you bothered to listen to Maddow (even if you disagree with her) you would see that she does not bash the other sides, and she certainly doesn't call them names or use guilt by association like Beck does.

It's an insult to equate Maddow and Beck in the same sentence, fahchrissake. I make myself look at Beck, and I see an arrested adolescent with zero mental discipline and no training in logical, deductive or inductive reasoning. It really says volumes about Americans who believe anything he says because it is so dishonest.

I find it completely hilarious and ironic that support for abortion, which...

1: Became practice in society when the wealthy ruling class of the day realized they didn't want any little bastards running around while they were out busy "sowing their royal oats" with the woman of their choosing, and...

2: Was utilized in just about every totalitarian government of the past century, from Nazi Germany to the Soviet Union, in order to "purge" their cultures of "imperfections" (i.e. the disabled or mentally challenged in layman's terms) and eliminate or control certain ethnic groups of the population...

is today the cornerstone of "women's rights issues."

No one supports abortion as you would like to imply in the context of your post, and as long as we are talking history consider Planned Parenthood's beginnings.
Women's health issues are not hilarious, maybe only to you, chauvinist pig.

let's see if I say i don't support a bill because it restricts abortion and then I vote for a bill that limits abortion in the most egregious fashion I can claim purity? This was a final vote on a bill that INCLUDED screwing women over the issue of abortion. only one republican voted for the bill that made this abortion restriction codified.
Cheenthere you have way too much hate for women.
And you are far too willing to excuse bigoted votes.
If aids care was denied to gays you would never suggest those who voted for it in the end are blameless.
Maddow is great at telling us that Democrats are not really screwing over women when they are! Cheenthere is great at hating women who stand up for themselves.

Well,well, sadie, I hope it is finally beginning to sink in that Bachmann, Foxx, Bono-Mack and whoever else your Republican women in Congress are, are the ones that have sold you down the river with the Stupak Amend that femisex pretends to know nothing about, and today has the nerve to bash Democrat Stegette. And nice job by you on Rachel Maddow too. What did you and your harridans do to fight the Stupak Amend.? Play dumb. The beauty of the middle my a**.

You have my gender dead wrong (another tribute to your astute judgment and intellect), and I am one mad as hell woman. Women of the seventies worked too hard to have you third wavers (isn't that what you call yourselves) trash genuine women. Have a nice life, sadie.

Diane Degette

I say that Maddow is smart but very divisive. Beck is less smart but functions as does Maddow --to be divisive. one can be very smart or very dumb and be very divisive.
But you see, I am also capable of seeing that Bush and Obama are equally divisive. If you live on the far right or far left you will not admit this truth.

sadie101: You are absolutely right. I cannot see that "Bush and Obama are equally divisive".

Obama has reached out repeatedly to Republicans. (He has gotten little or nothing in return.)

With Bush, it was "My way or the highway."

That is the beauty of living in the middle. Polls show this country more divided than ever on politics since Obama took office. Bush reached out in exactly the same way (all show, no substance) as Obama. They are both my way of the highway guys, it is just that Bush put a more honest face on his divisve tactics. Obama smiles and says one thing and then locks out any meaningful bipartisan efforts.
Tort reform is an example of this. Boy we really need tort reform says Obama one of his gussied up speechs but then locks out all Red effforts at meaniful tort reform.
Bush sneered as he divided, Obama smiles as he divides. Living in the center I can recognize both.

tort reform sadie you should know saves very little, per the CBO, the favorite of the conservatives, until he doesn't say what they want him to.

And by the by sadie the stupak amend. was voted for by your conservative friends 15mins. before the final vote for the health bill. In other words your conservative sisters sold you down the river by inserting what you call the egregious part into the final bill right before the final vote. They pulled the wool over your eyes, but you weren't even watching. You are from crazytown, and enough people have told you here. How Embarrassing for you.

That was a total of 176 Republican votes that sold you down the river with only 64 conservative dems voting with them.

I feel very sorry for you. I mean if you REALLY think Rachel is like Beck, I sympathize...critical thinking is not available to you.

no need for sympathy. I won't be sold a bridge in Brooklyn, but sadly you are very likely to be duped as you are blinded by love for Maddow. Rachel shills for the liberals and Beck for Conservatives. Each has a job to do: undercut what the other says. I know you really like Maddow, but that doesn't change her job description. Beck is God awful, but Maddow does the same thing in a more civilized manner. Beck's fans are just like you: blind to the partisan sniping that is Maddow and Beck.

Sorry, sadie. If you really think Rachel Maddow is anything like Beck, then you have severe learning disabilities, and you really aren't worth debating.