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41 Dead in Pakistan Bombing
At least 41 people were killed and 45 injured in a suicide car bombing in the north-western Shangla district of Pakistan Monday. Six security personnel were among the dead. The attack, which targeted an army vehicle, is the latest in a string of attacks in advance of Pakistan's expected offensive of the Taliban and al Qaeda stronghold of South Waizirstan. Meanwhile, the Taliban claimed credit for the audacious weekend siege of the Pakistani army's headquarters. A Taliban spokesman called the Associated Press to say that the weekend attack, which killed 20, is the first of a planned series aimed at avenging former leader Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed by a U.S. drone.




MaliciousDisorder
When is Obama going to keep his promise and attack Pakistan?
AuntBarb
The first attack under President Obama was on January 23, 2009, three days after his inauguration. It killed at least fifteen people, including seven suspected al Queda operatives.
Plantagenet
Actually, Obama's "first attack" was just a continuation of the existing Bush policy of using Predator unmanned aircraft to attack Al Qaida sites in Pakistan.
AuntBarb
Yes, under Bush there were many drone attacks. And they have continued under President Obama. That's correct.
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MaliciousDisorder
He kept about 30% of the Bush attack. I doubt he ever even heard of the drones until January 23, 09. I wonder if he even realizes he's the Commander In Chief of the US military.
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Ritarita
So Plant-
And Malicious-
What you're telling us
Is that the bad economy Obama
Inherited from Bush
IS OBAMA'S ECONOMY
But when he attacks Al Quaeda
In Pakistan
It's BUSH'S ATTACK?
I'd like one or both of you
To explain how that works.
But- since you're both misinformed
Bomb throwers
Who don't give a damn about what the actual truth is
Concerning the President or anything he does-
I understand that neither one of you
Will be back to defend yourselves
Or your imbecilic comments.
Plantagenet
No problemo, Ritasquared. Stop me when we get to something you don't agree with.....
Obama is the president now. When Obama orders a predator attack and a Taliban leader is killed it is Obama who has ordered the attack. Similarly, Obama is the President now when it comes to the economy. When Obama spends trillions but his poorly designed program fails to fix the economy and 3.5 million people lose their jobs on his watch, it is Obama who has failed to fix the economy.
Cheers!
MaliciousDisorder
cvillekid, .He's kept in place about thirty percent, maybe a bit more of the security Bush put in place after 911. Everybody knows about the drones. They make them twenty miles from my house. You can tour the plant. I was just joking about Obama not knowing about them. Only a caveman wouldn't know about drones. I'm glad they're being used over there and on our border. opps ! he stopped using them down by the border.
But you're going to have to look up the rest of Obama's security blunders yourself. Start with the dead missile shield and work your way back through the Bush secret locations, the Gorelick walls are up again, wiretapping, warrant less wiretapping, torture, closing Gitmo, secret prisons, the border fence building has stopped, Border Patrol needs more 1000's of jobs. the list is huge. He may have kept some of my list for his own use, the wire tapping could come in handy, but not for the nations security. It's tough reading auntbarb
Nice to make you're day retarita. Bush is not republican, he's Bi. He laid the ground work for democrat takeover.. and he probably did it intentionally the party traitor. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing for the most part.
hfb1053
The Pakistanis have the military ability to win over the Taliban. Apparently, the Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't allowed to hide in their border region anymore. They need to push them back into Afghanistan and close their border securely so the noose can start to close.
Plantagenet
The Taliban are a fundamentalist Muslim religious sect that believes in Sharia Law. There are now Taliban in both Pakistani and Afghanistan.
Pakistan can't easily push the Taliban "back into Afghanistan" because many of the Taliban are indigenous Pakistanis.
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retired-army-1SG
Another tragedy, 41 more dead. I am hoping that Pakistani officials are asking themselves, "Is this what get for looking the other way?" Clearly, Al Qaeda has never learned not to bight the hand that feed them, or at least doesn't interfere with them. Now is the time for Clinton to begin a full court press to allow us to pursue into Pakistan.
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SandraZ8122
Then it is time to expose the truth about THE BOOK, lies all lies made to manipulate the people with!
Start by breathing in some fresh air, truth about the book, it won't take right away, but slowly but surely, bit by bit, more and more people will see the truth and stop believing in all this nonsense.
In the mean time, blow the hell out of 'em and get out of there and tell the assholes to fight for themselves for a change, or we are gonna start charging them money for our services.
Start charging these countries for our services, and they will give free slave labor for our military. We start up factories and get free laborers and make money.
Why the hell are we broke Mommy? Why do we have to keep paying for the neighbors gas and electricity and mortgages? Why are we indebted to CHINA?
What a joke we are, the entire world is laughing at us.
Where are all these freedom loving countries? Where is France? Italy? England? Spain? Germany? Why aren't they helping these poor third world countries that have helped make us a third world country?
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matthewbenzor
Mrs.Feinstein from california is a (HAWK) she supported Bush's false war in Iraq and still is "BUSHWASHED" I don't trust Mrs.Feinstein at all. HAWK like cheney,rumsfield,rove,bush,powell,rice all the women and children killers and the blood of our troops are dripping off there hands.....
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WestVillager
I would like to vote matthewb's post as the most ridiculous conclusion drawn today.
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WestVillager
Funny that her (a she right?) posts stand out. The comments appear quite reasonable compared to the obvious provocation or the glut of lame attacks on your point of view.
SandraZ8122
Because nevermind,
Ritarita is a US citizen and this is the Beast and we are allowed to speak our minds.
That is her opinion, why does it bother you what she believes?
Daveparts
The Next Lost War
By David Glenn Cox
Never has Colin Powell's Pottery Barn analogy been more apt than in the next lost war, Pakistan. In our quest to strike down radical Islam, we have done so like an angry housewife chasing a mouse with a broom, and in the process done more damage with the broom than the mouse ever could.
I recently listened to Ray McGovern speak about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the third rail of American foreign policy, Israel. McGovern, a life long security analyst for the CIA, explained with true emotion about the effects of the fabrication of intelligence for the war in Iraq and what that did to the intelligence community as a whole.
Just as the legal community and civil libertarians decried the fabricated legal theories of John Yoo, so too did the intelligence community. Events such as the yellowcake incident, that were created out of whole cloth, had the same effect as a second set of books would have on an accountant. To a community trained in factual analysis, now they had to wonder what is true. If I can't trust your work, can you trust mine? Are these figures real or false? Accurate or generated?
McGovern then used the example of the Pentagon Papers in comparison to Afghanistan. In 1968 General Westmoreland asked Lyndon Johnson for an additional 208,000 US troops. What the Pentagon Papers showed was that Westmoreland was fudging on the numbers of North Vietnamese troop strength by 100%. General McKrystal is asking for an additional 40,000 troops for Afghanistan, but where is the independent analysis? We have only the military's analysis, the rosy analysis, the cake walk analysis, the flowers and candy analysis.
We stormed into Afghanistan with too much faith in high tech weaponry and too little understanding of our enemies, a tribal society with cross-flowing allegiances, religious, tribal and political. The money and arms that had flowed into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets in the 1980s came through Pakistan. Those networks were still alive and the Pakistani intelligence service is as much responsible for the Taliban in Afghanistan as is Islam.
Since the Taliban are a product of the Pakistani ISI, it is only logical to assume that once the bombs started fall in Afghanistan they would return to the place of their birth, Pakistan. The Taliban was created to rule Afghanistan, to protect and secure the border region of Pakistan. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan was bad news for Pakistan and likewise is the American invasion of Afghanistan.
Pakistan is a country of crossroads. The product of a former British colony, it has strong judicial roots and an educated middle class in the cities. Outside of the cities it is more Islamic and the people are poorer and loosely educated. There are three power bases in Pakistan: the civilian government, the military, and the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence service.
The civil government and the military are the public face of the government, but the ISI is the power behind the throne. When General Musharraf took over the government in a bloodless coup, he did so with the acceptance of the military and the ISI. Civilian government be damned; after all, how many troops did they have? When Benazir Bhutto was murdered in her run for the Presidency, no one knew for sure if the blame lay with the military or the ISI. But when Musharraf lost the support of the military and the ISI, it was time for him to go.
These groups in the tribal areas of Pakistan hold allegiances to different parts of the Pakistani government and to different parts of Pakistani politics. Some are the same groups set up by ISI to funnel arms into Afghanistan; some are useful and in sway of the Pakistani military. The tribes in the Punjab have been the eyes and ears in the long running semi-cold war with India. These groups are funded and supported by the three branches of the Pakistani government. They are as their children. Can you imagine asking the US Army rangers to attack a CIA listening post in Alaska? Or the Air Force to launch a drone attack on a CIA training base?
We are storming in without understanding what it is that we are breaking. We are eating a tiger, tail first. We haven't gotten to the part with meat and claws and teeth yet, and when we do it will be too late. "You break it, you own it." The recent attacks this week on the Pakistani military headquarters makes clear what it is that we are hitting with the broom as we swing for the mouse.
Tribal groups once separated by politics and religion have united to send a message to the capital. This was a shot across the bow by the ISI; these groups in South Wazeristan and the Punjab are not so naive to believe that the destruction of one won't mean the crippling of the other.
We are picking at a splinter in a finger. The more we pick and squeeze and push, the deeper the splinter becomes imbedded. The sorer and more inflamed and infected the region becomes until it begins to affect the whole hand.
40,000 more troops? Where is the independent analysis? What will we buy with those lives and that much treasure? A way home or just a way further in? The militants and people we seek to destroy will evaporate into the ether and move on to their next base of support and leave the wreckage behind. Like Vietnam there is no military answer. The more we bomb the more we turn the population against us and destabilize the very governments which we are trying to defend.
Name your poison, extremists in the Pakistani hinterlands or a destabilized Pakistan. There are extremists' views in every country and we depend on local governments to keep them in check. In many cases we don't understand the dynamics of the problem, the history of the problem or the relationship between the people anymore than you could expect Arab troops to understand the religious schism in Northern Ireland.
If you ask a weatherman about the problem he'll tell you about the rain. If you ask a carpenter about the problem he'll tell you how much lumber he needs. If you ask a general about the problem he'll tell you how many troops he needs, but it doesn't mean that he is right anymore than the weatherman or the carpenter. We must understand the problem first before we ask those who only know their specialty. You will never kill the mouse with a broom; you must depend on the cat for that. Pakistan is the cat and we must stop hitting it with the broom!
DeliaK
and if we ask you, we get a sililoquy.
Plantagenet
The Obamites see Afghanistan and Pakistan as a single "Afpak" theatre of war, and so they sent more US troops to Afghanistan and began pushing into remote areas of Afghanistan. THey also pressured the Pakistan government to escalate the war and go after the Taliban and other Islamicists in Swat and now in the tribal areas of Pakistan.
However, now that the BOers have succeeded in escalating the war in "Afpak", Obama has gotten cold feet and has started waffling on what to do. ----
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