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ACORN Sues Filmmakers, Breitbart
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ACORN isn't giving up just yet. The community-based advocacy group filed a lawsuit in Baltimore over a documentary revealing employees offering legal advice to a pair of conservative activists disguised as a pimp and a prostitute, which led to Congress pulling funding and a condemnation from the White House. James O’Keefe (the pimp), Hannah Giles (the prostitute), and Breitbart (the Web site that broke the video) are all targets of the suit. The complaint seeks $500,000 for the two employees secretly filmed in the video and $1 million for ACORN in damages, Politico reports.
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really getting old
I agree. The last time I said that, everyone jumped all over me but apparently, it's starting to wear thin on everybody.
it's way more than old, it's creepy. maybe it's a virus. forget that even a virus changes now and then.
Gerry-
"Gerry" is probably loving the attention . . . while living in his Mother's basement.
The truth hurts?
Sorry, Gerry, I have to agree with hfb. Only this repeated post is not "getting tired", it's already comatose. Give it a rest, as it were, and come up with some new ideas directed at the specific inaccuracies or, more likely, lies in Jokeman's posts. Nothing wrong with continuing to point out Jokeman's propaganda, it's just that no one is paying any attention to you anymore.
No one likes a preemptive strike.
Today, as usual, GERRY will demonstate no original thought and the various ways in which PROPAGANDA can be inserted into a discussion by using the THE 5 RULES OF PROPAGANDA--
1) The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.
2) The rule of simplification: reducing all data to a simple confrontation between 'Good and Bad', 'Friend and Foe'.
3) The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
4) The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one's own ends.
5) The rule of unanimity: presenting one's viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: draining the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure, and by 'psychological contagion'.
Additionally, the news today is that defense contractors will be subject to the same laws that apply to the defunding of Acorn. Wonder who Halliburton will be eligible to sue?
I think the government will know fraud when it sees it. Maybe Ms. Maples will have to cancel her lunch with the ex governor of Alaska.
Oh, I really wish this were true.
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"nightdragon"; your math is confusing.... how
do you get to "the billions?" They have averaged
something less than $4MM / annually in government
contracts/grants. Elaborate on "the billions."
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ACORN has only received $10 million total since 2002. Most of their
funding is private. The Washington Post has been investigating
the wild claims from Fox and Freaks.
Great news! No cause for concern now. I guess the US Census and the IRS can start doing business with ACORN again.
Acorn earns a reference to Rodney King? That is an interesting comparison, the only thing that comes to my mind is racism.
And poverty.
I meant on the part of nightdragon, yes racism.
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In attempting to overlook the obvious...... I thought most engaged, intelligent individuals had SEEN the Rodney King videos - which clearly witnessed police brutality by the LAPD. Your ignorance of such, is unexcusable.
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Why doesn't Acorn just fold up its tent and get out of Dodge. They're nothing but a pain in the ass.
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ACORN will soon learn what goes on in the discovery process in a legal proceeding.
Yeah, here is your opportunity to catch all those under-age prostitutes and
vampires that ACORN is hiding under their basement. Who knows, they might
find one of your family members down there!
I know it's embarrassing when your workers tell a pimp how to open a brothel and file the correct papers for housing, but criminal? Doesn't 60 Minutes do this?
Didn't you read illegal in the state of Maryland?
And obviously the two twerps should have gotten their papers signed, sealed and delivered, and the Acorn workers would have gone to jail. And the two twerps should have spent their money consulting a lawyer regarding the laws of taping and recording without permission in the state. Too bad.
This sounds like defending the people who were responsible for murdering 3000 American lives because we dunked them in water. You really should check your partisanship at the door when even Barney is bashing ACORN.
Oh, don't you believe in upholding the law, thinker? Guess not.
Clearthinker - are you honestly comparing an organization that helps poor people get food, shelter, and work to an organization that misinterprets a religious text to justify wanton murder of innocents?
gak001: Of course he is. Just like Fox News is "fair and balanced", clearthinker is a "clear thinker".
Conservatives: Not the Brightest Lights in the Chandelier.
I don't know if the videos only show a few rogue employees or if they reveal a deeper, systemic problem within Acorn and its management. I've begun to suspect the latter. How does it help the progressive cause to defend them? I'm not going to.
I guess that makes it OK that a "community organization" which reaps untold millions from our tax money is operating in this manner. Why the loyalty to this front group? I don't get you libs. you are a forgiving lot (Ted Kennedy-left girl to die in his submerged car as he swam to safety, Robert Byrd-Grand Kleagle of the KKK, Barney Frank-had a male prostitution ring operated out of his DC apartment, Charlie Rangel-failed to pay taxes on rental income, solicited funds on his HR stationary to have building named after him at CCNY, donated heavily to the House members on the Ethics Commitee investigationg him). But this is plain wrong. Moreover, it is the tip of the iceberg. You should choose your battles more wisely. This one is lost.
ACORN should sue these conservative idiots. It turns out that Giles father is an evil preacher in FL who has martinis and says all kinds of horrible things about President Obama. He is a scorpion for Satan. Our President has to get after so many wacko preachers who are not Christians, but are more evil than any people I have ever heard before.
This was the first week I heard about the background of the pimp and ho.
Hannah Giles was scheduled to be interviewed by CNN but she bailed at
the last minute and didn't do the interview. I found out this week that
her father is the preacher who has been preaching hate towards the president.
I find it ironic that Hannah thinks it's o.k. for her father to receive tax-payer
money for political speech and spreading hate. Do as I say, not as I do
hypocrisy as usual with the conservatives.
The Acorn workers were bigger idiots for falling for the scheme to begin with.
Trial, hmm...and will it be funded with money belonging to the very people they claim to defend...? No voice for them now, huh? No voice for our tax dollars that they swallowed up whole... What a crock!
Acorn may have a case against the film makers but at this point they've already lost this battle in the court of public opinion and going after these two will only look like sour grapes. If you have a PR crisis, it doesn't help your image to have a national organisation sending a pack of lawyers after two college students. And if you believe for a second that if Acorn wins this suit that the kids will be paying out of their own pocket you're crazy. It'll be some right wing group that picks up their tab.
Two college KIDS? They are 24 years old and smeared an entire organization.
Don't play grown up by attacking people one moment and then crying for your
mother when they respond.
Hannah Giles' father is a preacher whose whole claim to fame has been vile
sermons against President Obama, while living on tax-payers money. I'm sure
if some liberal film-maker digs into HIS organization, there is plenty of dirt to
be found. There usually is with these religious hypocrites.
It'll be fun to see what turns up in the discovery portion of this case. Acorn will go after the girl's father (maybe a little hate speech, some belligerent quotes against the president), and whatever republican is going to bankroll the defendants will get access to the whole of Acorn's internal documents. I really think that this will blow up in Acorn's face.
I'm sure they'll enjoy there 30 days in jail. With good behavior they'll do 5 and come out to make millionssssssss....
I cant wait for this to go to court, the acorns that will fall from this tree will fall all over this administration...
The only problem is we are paying for this law suit with tax payer money.
No we aren't. Congress cut off funding and they only received a tiny percentage of their operating budget from the government in the past.
The federal government. Many dollars that were given back to the states through federal grants were given to ACORN through the state and local organizations.
devilsadvocate: Really? Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal (R) and Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty (R) have both cut off state funds to ACORN.
As far as anyone can tell, neither state has ever given funds to ACORN.
Won't it be interesting to see how much of ACORN's records will have to be disclosed to prove they don't support such activities as prostitution and other possible misuse of funds which were given to them by politicians?
Yeah, it's the Republican definition of innocent until proven guilty. If you
are a liberal organization, you have no rights and have to PROVE that
you are not guilty.
Maybe it's time for ACORN to look into Fox "News" and Mr. Murdoch. Maybe it's time to look into more conservative organizations, like all these churchy groups that have been abusing their 501-C3 tax status for years.
I find your constant comments about Murdoch to be fascinating, when you fail to mention (or call for) investigations of George Soros.
You know him, the multi-billionaire who caused such financial catastrophe in the UK (bringing it to it's knees, nearly to destruction, decades ago),
- who funds the leftist org. Media Matters,
- who has very strong ties to ACORN,
- and to the Appollo Foundation (who wrote the stimulus bill making $8 billion eligible for ACORN, if they apply for it),
- and to the TIDES foundation (who reimbursed ACORN for the $1million that Dale Rathke embezzled), and funnels all sorts of funds as a "tax exempt" org. to assist wealthy radical leftists to evade tax consequences,
- to SEIU (the thug / brute-strength arm of ACORN).
I can't wait for the discovery part of this lawsuit, which may open up the biggest can of worms we've ever seen. And FYI, I don't care if Murdoch is investigated. If there is corruption there, get rid of it.
See the difference between liberal and conservative arguments is that we have values that tell us right from wrong. We don't look for someone else and say "we're not as bad as" or "he's worse than" we are, thus giving us permission for wrong-doing. Right or wrong is not a relative term.
George Soros!...hahaha.....whoops!
Yes, like those C Street Boys who won't resign from anything until God gives them permission. They are real Republican role models, aren't they?
Actually right and wrong ARE relative terms. Haven't you taken Sociology 101?
And claiming conservatives have "values that tell us right from wrong" just shows your ignorance. Or have no conservatives ever done anything "wrong"? Please. Political affiliation has nothing to do with honesty or integrity.
mcm, how are the C street boys relevant to Acorn's major screw up? It's grade school logic. Acorn, at this point, is a lost cause.
mcmchugh, maybe its time for sombody to look into MSNBC and GE and this admisistration, all are connected. OMG lets not forget George Soros and the web he has woven, read DD3075 post its tells it all just like it is
So when are your friends Ensign and Sanford going to resign? I don't see any of you calling for an investigation of their corruption. Why is that?
I think Sanford should resign.
I don't know enough about Ensign.
I also think we got very lucky that Edwards didn't get as far as POTUS. Can you imagine? How in the world would the Dems defend that?
Clinton set that precedent, 99. They apparently don't have to.
Maybe it's time for Acorn to go away, quickly please.
I can't wait for the discovery motions.
And just what is the investigative team going to be able to ask for in discovery that you think will be important or relevant to their case? Evidence of all the brothels they have started all over the country? I really don't think it is going to be that easy for the team, they might have to tap Beck for assistance.
you've obviously never been deposed.
As a matter of fact, yes, and I know how they are handled, and how the entire process of discovery unfolds.
then you should know lawyers can ask just about anything they want. Do you seriously think these people want somebody asking them questions under oath?
You are right, they will break under questioning and have to tell them
about the under-age prostitutes in the basement of every ACORN
sponsored house. Along with the vow they all take to feed Satan
one baby a day.
I am quite sure their lawyers will instruct them in the art of depositions, perhaps you have never had good legal advice flyoverland, and your and others interest in discovery is a peculiar interest to say the least. Must have heard it on Hoax news, and are running with it.
As usual
The most interesting
Part of the story
Is what you're not being told.
These people went to ACORN offices
Around the country until somebody
Finally took the bait.
The other ACORN offices
Called the police on these people.
The police reports will no doubt
Be useful in court.
Saying that a video showing this worker
Advising the 'pimp and prostitute'
Is representational of the entire organization
Is like saying that David the Diaperman Vitter
Represents the entire GOP.
And here is the voice of reason.
I watched the videos and it looked more like the ACORN employees were humoring the guy in the ridiculous "pimp" get up and the girl dressed like a slut. I don't know how much experience these kids had living in a city, but when was the last time any pimp walked down the street in a contrasting color shirt, suspenders, a fedora, and his grandmother's chinchilla shawl? Their story is laughable.
She was
Humoring them.
She even confided to them
That she had murdered her husband
Who was very surprised
To hear that.
So why then did ACORN fire these employees? Not for any wrongdoing, I'm sure.
devilsadvocate
No one disputes that the employees should have been fired. Annoy some other way, you know how to.
gak, you're dreaming.
Ritarita, thanks for not straying from the party line
I have to ask, what makes you so partial to ACORN?
Also, I just HAVE to say that I found it peculiar when, on another thread, one of the regular posters criticized a poster for using too many commas (to me, that poster must have been an ESL person, maybe an immigrant, maybe not). Yet you fail to utilize commas at all, and I see no criticism. Could it be that if you post on the left, anything goes, but if you post on the right, no breaks are available?
Is that
How you analyze everything
DD?
It must give you some trouble.
I confess I thought about breaking down
With today being National Punctuation Day
And all --No joke-
But I had some trouble using the alien keystrokes.
However back on topic-
I have no particular
Affinity with ACORN-
It just riles me to see anyone
Get railroaded.
It doesn't bother you?
I thought DD left TDB disgruntled and disgusted. I thought I saw a big announcement.
There's a big diff between being "railroaded" and taking responsibility for aiding and abetting criminal activity.
Every organization and corporation has to accept liability for the actions of their employees. That's why people sue corporations, and rarely sue employees. The employees are always acting as a representative of the corp. or org., during working hours.
Since several of the different offices offered similar resolutions on how to avoid tax issues, and how to file "around" the rules/laws, it makes me think the techniques may be offered in training classes. Otherwise, it's just a co-inky-dinky.
As for the issue of punctuation, you clearly missed the broader point. It's not so much about YOUR punctuation (or lack thereof), it's about the "punctuation rules" that are used to insult, demean, and intimidate conservative posters, but for the liberal posters.....well, they can be overlooked. Just an astute observation. Relax.
cbeenthere,
I did leave a vial hatefest that you all were reveling in. I read several threads since then that were excellent point and counterpoint, without all the hate and name-calling, making me think there are some valid thoughts to be gained from TDB, regardless of which side of the issue. We'll see.
Do you need traveling music, DD?
DD3075 said: "Every organization and corporation has to accept liability for the actions of their employees."
Over 30 members of Ronald Reagan's administration ended up in prison.
I don't ever recall Reagan taking responsibility for their criminal actions.
Ya know Rita, if you would ever post a comment that came close to making sense I would be amazed!
The investigations thats gonna bite these people in the butt are the FBI,IRS and the Inspector General of Housing.
Thanks
For the compliment
Diamondgirl.
Rita
Anytime!
I'm no big fan of ACORN - but what do you hope will happen if it is investigated? That it will be forced to go out of business? Is that what you want? Will that make you happy?
Also, I think that Rita's comments make a LOT of sense. But yours on the other hand......
Rita, if it turns out that there are more offices that did the right thing, then those that didn't, well then I agree with you. That's not what they're saying, though.
Ritarita, It doesn't matter one bit who did what. What matters is the discovery is going to land a lot of acorns in jail. Sorry to say but the democratic whites running acorn are going to toss as many blacks as necessary under the bus as they can find.
Not a smart move by ACORN. The discovery phase of the lawsuit will give Breitbart years worth of material and lead to jail time for ACORN and SEIU as the tangled web of fraud is reveled.
Well, that cuts two ways, since they can do the same thing to Fox "News", which has been running a vendetta against ACORN for a very long time. So have Limbaugh and many of the other Republican big mouths. Let's bring them all into it, their racism, their idea that Obama wasn't born in the United States, and so on. Let's put Fox "News" and right-wing talk radio on trial, as well.
That would be fun.
Are you really that stupid ? This is going to go waaaay beyond any wet dream.
Fox News lawyers are going to have an untouchable field day.
Don't count on it--not this time. They are going to get dragged through the mud in every way we can dream up. That's what they do to us.
Mal, I think he is that stupid...he's wearing his democrap rose colored glasses. God forbid anyone research and report on a bunch of scum bags...that's criminal?
Well, they do have the advice of a former MA Atty. Gen., and I don't think Breitbart is entitled.
...to quite what you think he is. And I certainly don't see any countersuit in the offing.
They are not a smart organization. Yes, they helped get Hussein elected, but this only served to bring their corruption to the national stage. They are getting everything they deserve for being SCUM!
Yeah, any organization that doesn't agree with you is scum. How old are
you again, that's right 5. Isn't it time for nap little boy.
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Well, I'm sure that Michael Moore or someone can dig up something on them. Methinks they might have something to hide. Turnabout is fair play, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I would start with violation of the tax code and anti-trust laws, things like that, plus their frequent appeals to racism, even skirting the edge of violence and sedition.
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This is great. Discovery is going to be a sitcom. Every record, ledger, accounting, e-mails, corporate minutes, meeting notes and on and on. How thuggish & dumb can they be ? I guess the wash will be done in hot water. Don't close Gitmo.
Gee, I wonder if Obama's name will show up anywhere.
When Barney Frank abandons ACORN, it is time to give up the fight. The only place to find defenders of ACORN is on TDB message board; those who are afraid that anything reported bad about ACORN reflects badly on the Democrats (the majority of whom have now disowned and defunded ACORN).
So, are all you defenders of ACORN upset at the Democratic Senators and Congressmen who have voted to defund them?
I think they gave in too quickly to the Republicans and Fox "News", who have a political vendetta against ACORN and any similar group that works among the poor and minorities in the inner cities. It's all politics.
I have seen the Republicans lie so much about birth certificates, death panels and everything else they can dream up that I no longer believe a word they say on any subject.
I must admit that I'm looking forward to our side getting a piece of the Republicans someday, for they will have earned it.
How, you discovered Democrats are spineless, good for you. I can't wait
until you discover that the earth is not flat. Hold on, it's going to be a bumpy
ride!
I must have missed something, everything I know about the news I get right here at the Daily Beast. Why is Acorn suing 2 film makers????? I read all these posts and everyone seems to know so much more than I do on this story. How can it be that big of a story if this is the first time I am hearing about this at the DB. I mean, I keep myself fully informed on the news by reading the Daily Beast everyday, how could this be news?......
Yes that is how you would sound if you only read liberal blogs because after 2 weeks of being a major story in the real world the DB finally prints it's first acorn story. Do they tell you that Acorn offices in 5 major cities allowed a skinny white kid looking like an "albino pimp" from tv's good times and his "way to pretty to be a street ho" ho come in and get advice on how to cheat the goverment out of taxes from prostitution and how to claim child sex slaves from South America as dependents....
Nope, the first story on the DB is about the morons at acorn suing over being so stupid that they got caught on film doing it.
And you wonder why people who watch Fox and read Drudge and listen to Rush are soooo much smarter than the ill informed dolts in liberal utopia.... could be why the ratings for those news outlets are so high too....
Wow, way to show how ignorant and dumb you are in one single post.
why the Dems roll over on this one is beyond me.
It's understandable that whacko's would get off on this Acorn b.s.
How could you ignore the illegalities of Bush and company, including the billions in fraud that Halliburton engaged in, and focus on Acorn, and not be a whacko?
Acorn seriously screwed up. They're "our" screw up. Why not admit it? Why the Pee Wee Herman-level back and forth: But, but Reagan did this, Vitter did that, Bush did this, the C-Street boys did that? Blah, blah. It's embarrassing.
Acorn was always a side show; they still are, but now they're a destructive one, a cancer. Let's do the surgery, cut them out, and be done with it.
ukeman
if there is something to go after Bush&co Halliburton it probably would have flamed up by now. Acorn stepped in it for everyone to see. evillekid has got this right.
.RiraBeast this is taxpayers money going to a corrupt group don't you care
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