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Cheney Tells Obama To Stop 'Dithering'
Karin Cooper, CBS / AP Photo
Former Vice President Dick Cheney accused President Barack Obama of "dithering" in failing to make a decision about escalating troops in Afghanistan. "Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries. Waffling while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy endangers them and hurts our cause," Cheney said in a speech Wednesday night. Unlike former President George W. Bush, Cheney has been a vocal critic of the current administration.
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RawhideRex
Hypicrite...Cheney and Bushg put "our boys" in harms way in the first place.
But you already knew that didn't you.
hockeydog
Since the American media appears to not be very interested in the BIG Halliburton story that is happening right now, here are a couple of excerpts from the story breaking in the British News Organisation, The Guardian (guardian.co.uk) from one week ago, Thursday October 15.
"Halliburton and KBR, its former subsidiary, were the largest defence department contractors in Iraq. Critics allege that huge contracts were won in part because of ties to George Bush's government, particularly to his vice-president, Dick Cheney, a former Halliburton chief executive who left the company during the 2000 persidential campaign with a $36 million pay-off."
"The Texas-based firm has a controversial history. In the early 1990s it was fined $3.8 million for breaking trade embargoes on Iraq and Libya. Last year, a former KBR president, Albert 'Jack' Stanley peladed guilty to overseeing the payment of $182 million in bribes to win engineering contracts in Nigeria."
"The Pentagon's auditor found Halliburton/KBR was linked to the 'vast majority' of fraud cases investigated by the defense department in Iraq."
But that is just background color for the story itself, which is that a lady named Jamie Leigh Jones was gang-raped by "seven fellow American contractors in Baghdad in 2005."
As the blogger drtball, has indicated, his hero Mr. Snear Cheney also disapproves of the job our Commander in Chief is doing. But, bear in mind that this "hero" Cheney is the guy who set up the criteria within Haliburton that tried to muzzle Ms. Jones while she attempts to get her case heard in a Court of Justice.
You see, Cheney's firm has its employees sign an agreement that mandates the individual give up her right to sue in exchange for getting the job in the first place. This "arbitration clause" is pretty typical these days for resolving employee/employer disputes.
However in the case of Mr. Cheney's bunch, they have used it to hide details of a horrendous crime. This woman was fed a knock-out drug, brutally gang-raped, and "when she awoke the next morning still affected by the drug, she found her body naked, and severely bruised, with lacerations to her vagina and anus, blood running down her leg, her breast implants ruptured and her pectoral muscles torn, which would later require reconstructive surgery."
Then the disclosure that reflects Mr. Cheney's idea that he, and his contacts in the business world are above the law, "Jones was treated by a US army doctor who gave forensic evidence to company officials. She says the firm placed her under guard in a shipping container."
In a shipping container. You hear that 'dabeall'? I suppose you think Ms. Jones is lucky that Cheney's outfit didn't waterboard her while they had her locked in the dark.
Earlier, the Daily Beast had a blogger SlaveRevolt who indicated that Cheney has deep monetary ties to building a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan, and that Cheney's interest in this pipeline was the major prompt in invading the country under the guise of hunting for a guy, who is probably already dead. I do not know whether or not this is true, but I do know that any blogger, or other alleged human who supports and defends a creep like Dick Cheney is not to be trusted.
democracyforall
who's being a hypocrit? We have made a commitment to Afghanistan and to our NATO allies who are there helping us.
SandraZ8122
So tell me again, what is so special about Chenny Chin Head?
wbishop12
Will somebody please put a condom on that Dick?
when-the-whip-comes-down
hockeydog:
I didn't hear about the rape/arbitration case in the media anywhere other than on the Daily Show. Stewart was showing some clips of some rethug congressmen defending the arbitration clause in the use of gang rape...
As Cheney says... STOP DITHERING!...
We have profits on the line!
I've been doing some research on Bu$h family control of the mass media and I traced back as far as 1953 when Prescott Bu$h ran for the Senate. He had to that point been working with Nazi assets. He had been tried and convicted on trading with the enemy's and the media was silent on who Prescott Bu$h was.
Llplo99
@hockeydog, the gang rape story was on MSNBC and on CNN.
Mauiboy
BTW Al Franken's first piece of legislation was to introduce a bill because of the Jamie Leigh Jones. The amendment stopped federal funding for those defense contractors who used mandatory arbitration clauses to deny victims of assault the right to bring their case to court. 30 Republican senators voted against the legislation. These chicken hawks are also chicken sh*ts as well.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/franken-gets-first-amendm_n_312399 .html
herbie7
By 'dithering' Cheney really means thinking carefully about what one is about to do. Not wrecklessness.
Centerleft
Dear dabeall: Other than Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, who has been more consistently wrong on policy in Iraq and Afghanistan than former Vice President Cheney? Even Mr. Bush rejected Mr. Cheney's advise in the latter part of his administration. The former Vice President is the last person the current administration should listen to while formulating our strategy for our two on-going wars.
Garvagh
Centerleft: Cheney would have given the US yet another unnecessary war, this time with Iran, if he had had his druthers. Iranophobic, and Russophobic, and highly dangerous.
JohnnyBeagle
Hearing this from Cheney is like getting lectured by Susan Smith about child care.
hfb1053
Well put JohnnyB. Dick Cheney should go hunting again instead of stepping into what is clearly no longer his business. The souls of all those troops he and Mr Bush led to slaughter should be on his conscience but they so clearly are not. He is a shameful man.
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n--Y--morecowbelldcveeneman
You, sir, are crazy as a loon. Thank god you are a small, paranoid minority.
when-the-whip-comes-down
"You, sir, are crazy as a loon. Thank god you are a small, paranoid minority."
That is the typical response that you get from the Bu$h's when they are called out on some inconvenient facts.
Bu$hco & clan thank god you are a small, but informed, paranoid minority.
spawot
"damage our reputation internationally"
How is that?
pennsykid2000
By all means, follow Bush and Cheney's example and rush us into an escalation of the war in Afghanistan before thinking through all the implications, whether we have an adequate partner in a stable and respected govt, etc. While you're at it, follow their example further and push criminal activity by outing a CIA officer and approving torture. That should help our image around the world and encourage other nations to contribute to the effort.
TREESKE
Chicken little with five bad back deferments, which still allowed him to spent plenty of time on the ski slopes but not in Vietnam, sure likes to send other's kids into war!
thetone
Torture=american lives saved. We need more of it. Screw the rest of the world, they've always hated and nothing will ever change that. And tell me how you can out a CIA officer who never was one to start with. Just another democrat diversion. Watch my right hand, no, not my left hand my right hand.
when-the-whip-comes-down
thetone = Nazi sympathizer
Honchos
Thetone- you're a scared little heartless person aren't you?
"Screw the rest of the world, they've always hated [us]" If the rest of the world really hates us (which for the most part, they don't- I've actually spent quite a lot of time outside the states- how 'bout you?) it's because of that "screw the rest of the world" attitude. Then again, most conservatives don't act like they care about anyone outside of their tiny circle of friends and family in or outside of their country.
How do you out a CIA officer who was never one to start with?
By your logic you just torture them until they'll say whatever you want to hear, no matter what relation it has to the truth. People like you used to drown women for being witches. Happy Halloween!
MajorRevisions
thetone
Torture=American lives saved, wtf? Tell that to the families of the military who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Screw the rest of the world? Some people might argue we already have. Unless you can come up with a way to not import oil, food, and most of everything else we purchase not to mention financing the debt we have been running up for the past 30 years, I might think about making nice with the rest of the world. Of course, you could always believe the republican diversions, be affraid, be very affraid.
Downriver
More Americans died under Bush-Cheney than anytime since Vietnam. Taking advice from Cheney is listening to a LOSER
thetone
You told you that downriver? Quite obvious you are incapable of an original thought.
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n--Y--morecowbellGarvagh
Downriver: Isn't it better to call attention to Dick Cheney's fundamental dishonesty regarding US military engagements in the Middle East, than merely to call him a "loser"? Cheney lied the way to war, and turned the major media outlets into virtual prostitutes to achieve this goal.
Piscesprincess
Looking in that mirror again and projecting what you see there onto others is a bad habit of tinfoil hat wearers such as you. tsk. Dithering, my @ss
oliverckerr
This is an open letter to president Obama, not the first time to be posted in cyberspace.
This is the Afghanistan Solution, the strategy we need, what we should do, how to do it, and why when the dithering is done, and what I, an independent candidate for president am going to do upon election to our highest office.
That is a happenstance that cannot be ruled out, as the American people will find out when I wrote this essay, when I posted it, and how it affected your policy. The issue is wiping out the terrorists and saving lives, not who wins the election.
We either adopt this opium poppy strategy, explained below, or we risk another terrorist attack in America, rivalng the 9 / 11 attack. White House officials involved in the ongoing Afghanistan deliberations should carefully consider what "eye" say!
After the dithering is done, the key to winning Afghanistan and Pakistan, to dissolving al Qaeda and Taliban, is opium; world wide, the grand pappa of all opiates. That dirt-cheap heroin readily bought on the streets of Kabul, by the gates of all our military barracks, in ghe streets of Manhattan and Washington DC began a sleepy Pashtun poppy, milked in Afghanistan, oceans away.
That 17% pure heroin bag; available on select street corners in every major city in the western world, started out an opium poppy grown in Afghanistan. You first saw the rich Afghani poppy fields in The Wizard of Oz.
93% of the world's opium is grown and refined into heroin right on the Afghani farms! They are not such a backward unsophisticated country as rigid status quo bureaucrats are apt to paint them. 93% is an eggs in one basket huge monopoly! The farmers grow the highest quality most potent opium that yields the most heroin, world wide!
Bill Gates must marvel at their opium / heroin market share. Monopoly! Irreplaceable, worldwide; a blessing for all sides, especially us, because controlling the opium poppy fields means we will have taken over the main source of income for all the barbarian Taliban, famishing the terrorist al Qaeda operations in all the neighboring countries, besides all of the Western Hemisphere cartels and subtle European drug dealerships.
The heroin lifeblood for terrorists and drug cartels is smuggled throughout Europe, with tons, tons going by plane and ship to South America where, repackaged, its origin is disguised so no one gets wise; and from there, routed to Mexican cartels, and from Mexico, into our country, to be sold in our ghettos and suburban streets.
For the cartels this wholesale heroin represents billions of dollars in retail business. Billions of underground criminal, and terrorist dollars!
The key to stuffing Taliban and al Qaeda, eradicating all of their corruption of Afghanistan, is to choke the opium supply the Afghan farmers are world wide famous for; choke the opium supply which would wipe out the opium / heroin smuggling trade; and choke their criminal customers on our side of the sea.
We don't have 68,000 troops in uniform, stationed in South America, chopping down the Columbian jungle to get at the cocaine plantations. That is not happening, and won't. But we do have 68,000 troops stationed in Afghanistan, and the opium poppy stratgegy carefully explained here will SAVE MOST OF THEIR LIVES.
Surely, you, the reader, hopefully a White House official involved in the deliberations over what and how to proceed in Afghanistan do not want to see any more American blood shed.
The Taliban's and al Qaeda's end in the opium/heroin trade nets millions of dollars, peanuts in the big picture, falafel on the table for Taliban's "freedom fighters" over the border, in Pakistan; and money for the families of al Qaeda's suicide bombers throughout the region.
But without the opium / heroin trade, al Qaeda and Taliban would be financially decimated. The Western Hemisphere drug cartels would lose hundreds of millions of dollars and be facing their own recession. All of the illegal heroin in the United States would dry up as the monopoly pipeline for the heroin would be destroyed! Do not suggest to me we don't want that! Of course that is exactly what we want.
In Iraq, whoever is running the roads, wins. In Afghanistan, the opium dollar is fueling both the war and the Taliban structure, enabling them to strike! Afghanistan is a poor country with a rich culture. Whoever controls the opium harvest will have battled for that right. The hardy farmers get only enough to live decently and plant their fresh poppy.
The Taliban "freedom fighters" would leave for home in a heartbeat, were they not getting fed and allowed to while away the day smoking the black Afghani hashish. No food no money no fight. The newly chosen Taliban "leader" has a payroll he must meet. The opium proceeds cover that payroll!
Mr President Obama you are our Commander-in-Chief, the civilian boss in charge of our ribbon shirts, but your military bureaucrats, and the retired cable news talking heads are all misreading and misleading the war.
The Wall Street Journal article: Top Troop Request Exceeds 60,000 by Peter Spiegal and Yochi Dreazen states,
"White House officials familiar with deliberations said that while some elements of the Taliban were inclined to harbor al Qaeda, which operated freely in Afghanistan through 2001, other members were focused on Afghanistan's internal politics and much less likely to support the international terror group."
Oh! Supposedly the Taliban is more interested in securing seats on the local school boards. Get reel!
The Taliban differs from al Qaeda in one respect. Taliban are criminal drug dealers hiding behind religion and oppressing the local people they believe is the key to their continuing success in controlling the opium / heroin, whereas Al Qaeda smuggles heroin to fund sensless political attacks throughout their region, and to plan another 9/11 which cannot be accomplished without millions of opium dollars.
A few years ago a Taliban leader came to Texas. The official reason for the "trip" that was to meet with oil executives about an oil pipeline. While in Texas, using throw away drugstore purchased cell phones, Taliban held lengthy conversations on their throw away cell phone with a Mexican Cartel person about shipping refined heroin instead of tell tale smelly opium - the heroin pipe line!
The Columbians got into the act bcause no one would suspect heroin originating in far a way Afghanistan would be round-about smuggled into South America.
We don't need to build an Afghanistan army.
The unalighned unofficial Afghani militias know how to fight. With a little strucure and dollar support at the bottom, at the farm level, they will protect themselves. Abraham Lincoln established a sea embargo to win the Civil War. Without supplies by ship from Europe, the Confederate Army was doomed.
Our troops get killed on border patrols between Pakistan and Afghanistan to protect our way of life across the ocean. Yet a stone's throw away, Mother Nature's opium is grown for the criminal and international terrorist's gain? How can our military be so dumb as to allow this to go on, creating millions of terrorist jihad dollars?
The only thing going across that Pakistan / Afghanistan border are paid fighters and convoys of drug smugglers hauling their cargo. The Afghan opium is key to everything happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan!
We own the opium and the country is ours. Opium control means renegade Taliban, al Qaeda terrorists, and warlords are on the road again. Skedaddled or killed.
(I like the idea of not killing anybody.)
Your failure to respond to this open letter will lead to loss of American lives, and seal the possibility of Barack Obama being reelected to a 2nd term in our Highest office. As the person who created the Vehicle for World Peace, I can promise you that much. But the author is not the issue here, only the authority of what I say.
The opium production and our clear ability to control that opium, is the only issue that should be dithered!.
Our guys must begin digging foxholes in every opium field, making Cash In Advance deals CIA with the Afghanis we are purchasing their opium crop for top dollar, in raw opium form. The farmers don't have to brew the black sap into a dangerous snowy heroin powder, so they are poppy plentiful, an ounce or two for the house, compliments of us.
Raw opium isn't dangerous. You won't kill yourself smoking opium the way you can so easily overdose from a heroin syringe, so we want their whole crop raw, just like unefined brown sugar, and we will pay the refined opium heroin price which is similar to tacking on an additional 50 cents to a bushel of Iowa corn.
The war momentum will immediately shift!
Instead of Taliban's "freedom fighters" picking us off every other day as we patrol the dangerous Afghanistan border, we will occupy the opium poppy fields and wait for Taliban to show up, our invited guests.
The key to Afghan quality of life for Taliban, thugs without a country when we defeat them, to shipping their kids off to the Ivy League is based on who gets to stash the cash from Afghanistan's opium crop.
Karzai and his drug dealing family in Kabul are part of this. How could they not?
At the same time, on the diplomatic front we ought to push to reunite Pakistan with India. This will initiate an eviction of Taliban by the Pakistani people, going on as we speak! For Pakistan, rejoining India means freedom, food, jobs, education, and a better life. Only the Pak military bureaucrats are against this idea, and their minds could be changed with a passport, an SUV, and a forty acre guarantee in Montana.
Instead of knee jerk reactions to my Hunt For The Red October reference to 'Montana," just get creative and plant that in their newspapers! Now is the time for us to wag the Pakistan India dog!
Sad, these policies, purchasing Afghanistan's opium, piecing off the Pak military, and reuniting Pakistan with India may be too progressive for you, Mr. president, and for your Secretary of State Hillary Clintstone, too, but maybe not.
Certainly wagging this Pakistan-India dog will be incentive for the Paks to completely evict the Taliban and that is what we want! The Paks have nothing going for them under the Taliban gun.
Don't you know the Taliban bribed the Pak military for long-term safe journey with the opium money. That is how Taliban established their foothold in Pakistan! Opium money! Mr. President, you are surrounded by bureaucrats who wouldn't know the scent of an opium house were they standing at the door.
Many Taliban soldiers will change colors of their turbans and meld into the crowd as soon as they understand the opium harvest has been taken away from them. It isn't about religion, or the neighbor hooded school board, or how many times a day you pray to Big Al (Allah to you), it is about the opium / heroin and millions of dollars in cash! Seeing as you can eat three hot meals a day in the streets of Mumbai for less than a dollar, one million dollars = one million days divided by x number of Taliban Kalishnekov slugs.
In Afghanistan, we need to get busy, prepare the fields, create comfortable foxholes on every poppy acre, booby trap the brush surrounding with a wide safe swath to the farmhouse, and make it clear to the farmers, by CIA shelling out Cash In Advance, we are purchasing their whole raw opium crop but paying top refined heroin price, so the farmers are with us! Super incentive for the farmers. Less work more money.
Taliban, Al Qaeda and warlords will have to exit their caves and cross the poppy fields instead of picking us off with their remotely detonated roadside attacks. Retired military will be opposed to this poppy war, but hard pressed to tell you why because they support that opium trade just the way it is.
We are purchasing their poppy crop, and negotiating fair and square and in advance how much sticky black sap can be extrapolated from each plant. Though I pun CIA as standing for Cash In Advance this is a job for our enlisted soldiers in the field to negotiate with the farms where they are dug in, not CIA officers who are from Kabul, not living on the farms in foxholes!
The plants, ripening by day, are the draw for Taliban, al Qaeda and warlords to show, the only way for them to go, taking on our troops in the poppy fields where we will defeat them!
When they come down the yellow brick Afghanistan road we can sting them from above. A couple drone attacks will turn them all around in their tracks. No opium no paychecks.
The extra virgin first milk is scheduled to start tomorrow. Our enemies know that. The farmers are out of the picture as they are already paid in advance. At 4:00 a.m. we begin snipping every plant two inches above ground with two handle bush trimmers, chop chop, just like that. At dawn, we start stuffing wood chippers and spread the soil with the chopped up results to fertilize next year's crop.
So good-bye Taliban grunt, and don't step on any land mines going home.
A couple million heroin addicts in Europe will be going cold turkey! The Mexican and Columbian drug cartels will be out of heroin, and lose hundreds of millions of criminal dollars in projected sales.
Regardless bureaucrats will be viciously against this operation. The status quo is how the rigid government's bureaucrats want to go.
But with a cash infusion at the farm level, Afghanistan will begin to flourish. The Afghani people will start rebuilding their own country, without corruption from above, roads and schools decided by tribal leaders in the farm districts, with a helping hand from us.
We must also purchase their whole marijuana and hasish crop, and either sell that to the shops in Amsterdam or bring each of the harvests to USA for medicinal purposes. or run the risk that that crop, too becomes an income for the terrorists. Afghani marijuana is the most potent in the world, best for relief of chemotherapy's side effects.
Regardless what your surrounding bureaucrats say, we occupy the opium fields, purchase the whole crop, and all the heroin sold every day in our country will dry up! Young kids in poor neighborhoods will not become addicted to heroin. Don't we want that? Don't you? The opium / heroin dry up is guaranteed because all of the other countries where opium grows, they only have planted enough for their own home land and neighboring clientele.
The opium pays al Qaeda's world salary. But who controls the opium wins the terrorist war, world wide! The above poppy strategy will accomplish our mission! Those opposed want things the way they are. Follow the money, Mr President. In the event we ignore the terrorist's cash cow, and leave, al Qaeda, opium rich, will have the funds to execute all of their murderous plans. Wasn't the twin towers brought down and their Pentagon attack enough for you! You inherited that issue! The opium trade paid for the 9/11 tragedy! We cannot risk allowing that to repeat. We cannot!
Unless you want it guaranteed before the end of your first year that you are a lame duck one term president, then ignore this assesment.
michaelslevinson.com
newswoman
Please, Mr. Levinson, be brief. You are boring with your diatribe.
ShutUpAndThink
Uh, if you were intending for the President to read that, you might wanna check the address...
oliverckerr
Dear newswoman,
My commentary is a solution to the purpose of being in that war in the first place, in the aftermath of 9/11, our purpose, to wipe outthe terrorists. The writing is not a diatribe. I am not making "a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something."
My purpose is to spell out in detail exactly what we need to do; present a solution to the prob limb. Though mine is indeed a sharp tongue, that, a giant blessing of words, world orders and word hors d'oeuvres, I am not into bitter verbal attacks.
michaelslevinson.com
hfb1053
oliver - your commentary is NOT a solution; it is boring and repetitive. Send it to Mr Obama, not us.
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n--Y--morecowbellHonchos
It's true Oliver, nobody reads long posts like that. Keep it brief, post the long stuff on your blog and provide a link. Otherwise people are just going to ignore what you have to say because your posts are way too long.
oliverckerr
ShutUpAndThink:
In the aftermath of 9 / 11 we were told bin laden was worth three hundred million dollars and he funded the 9 / 11 attack. Were you to go back and reexamine all of the news releases immediately after 9 / 11, bin Laden denied any involvement in the attack. It was a few weeks later that he assumed via heresay to take responsibility.
When we attacked Afghanistan and chased the Taliban out, every laptop uncovered in every location had one thing missing in all the hard drives and emails - mention of 9 / 11. Yes the Saudi attackers trained with al Qaeda.
The actual money that paid for the terrorists who attacked us that fateful September morning came from the multi billion dollar heroin trade that originates in the poppy fields of Afghanistan.
I am intending for the president to read my commentary and this is exactly the place to post because White House people and friends of Barky Obama read The Daily Beast!
A careful reading of my mortgage proposal talks about using the mortgage money to finance loans to small businesses via Federal Credit Unions, duh, exactly what the White house and treasury bureaucrats are trying to do with the Tarp money. The idea of utilizing the federal credit unions originated in my Beast post.
Not withstanding credit where credit is due, I have the right address to reach the president.
Why is it you want to privatize my public activity? That is very FBI, almost a bureaucratic dictum from the dead Pharaoh of fascists herself, j. edgarina, the fascist cross dressing pervert of dirt.
hfb1053
My plan is to demolish Afghanistan's roll in the world wide underground heroin distribution which would wipe out the funding for al Qaeda and Taliban, besides putting the Western Hemisphere cartels into recession. 93% of the world's illegal heroin comes from the Afghan poppy fields. War is always about economics, not religion! When we occupy the poppy fields the Taliban and al Qaeda fighters have to come to us. Great strategy. I don't need to dither with generals. Were I president it is what I would do.
Repetitive belligerent narrow mindedness and rigid ugliness is boring. Are you one of the fbi posters?
michaelslevinson.com
thefulishbastid
I see a couple of bad ideas here...
"The opium production and our clear ability to control that opium, is the only issue that should be dithered!."
Fed. gov. can't control marijauna growth on National Park property! Big huff about it every year in Cali., law enforcer on camera, talks about how inadequate their abilities are compared to the growers, then some lady tells you how much it costs every year.
I don't think they can do it in another country.
"this is a job for our enlisted soldiers in the field to negotiate with the farms where they are dug in, not CIA officers who are from Kabul, not living on the farms in foxholes!"
RUFKM?!?! Never been in the military myself(God bless'em!), but I believe the general job description is to "hurt people and break things"! I think a few may purchase drugs *gasp*, but thats a recreational thing mostly.
Sure extremists everywhere can make good money on drugs, but thats due to the premium pricing on these products, not quantity.
I won't go on, but good luck with that '12 bid.
newswoman
Your message gets lost when you use ad hominum attacks on the President. (I noticed you quoted Rush). Cheney had his chance to 'win' the wars that have lasted 8 YEARS. How has that worked out? Hmm? You sound like a war monger who has probably never been to war. Talk is cheap, isn't it? Our reputation is in good shape at home and abroad, thanks to this president and his approach to foreign affairs. And Cheney has no credibility anymore, since he pretended there were weapons of mass destruction, when the UN inspectors, who had been there in Iraq for FOUR years, told us there were none. the Bush administration wanted to go to war and they did, and getting OUR BOYS KILLED was not important to their plans. So much for your views, Dabeall.
allonfla
YEAH MR. PRESIDENT: NO MORE DITHERING ON THE PROSECUTION OF THOSE WHO AUTHORIZED TORTURE! GET CHENEY NOW!!!
thetone
The only problem I have with torture is that we didn't do enough of it. Go crawl into a hole allonfla, you bleeding heart small minded idiot.
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n--Y--morecowbelljohncopeland
tone - are you deaf? or just dumb?
AuntBarb
Mr Cheney's advice, I think, isn't wanted or needed. Most importantly, it's not being paid serious attention to outside of a little world of right wing disappointees.
He's just carving out a new career as a professional noisemaker, like Gingrich and Palin. Good luck to him.
camfield
It's really hard to believe that anyone really cares what Cheney thinks after what he, in very large part, put this country through for eight years.
Incidentally, for a peek at his old company, Halliburton, take a peek at this video and see how it was dealt with by freshman senator Al Franken:
http://www.alfranken.com/content/splash_video_20091021
donatello
dabeall - my guess is: you never joined/got drafted/fought/never had an original thought on homeland security/don't know anything about international politics. You're either talking from your boardroom or outhouse.
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Bulldoglover100
LOLOLOLOLOLOL dabeall MUST hit it's knees each night and thank someone that breathing is an automatic response! LOLOLOLOL Must be that tiny appendage that resents anything that shows it to be less of a man or woman for that matter.
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mantis
You dumb stupid red neck, who went to Iraq on lies and killed 5000 boys/girls.? Who went to Afghanistan? Who couldn't find Osama for 8 years. Now u stupid un educated trash, beat up on a guy doing something. Wake up from ur slumber and bring up your head from ur arse.
Llplo99
another dumb comment from dabeall or should we call him dirtbag?
oaklynne
Retired General Paul Eaton said it best when he described Cheny as an "incompetent war fighter". Speaking of the Bush admin., he states: "They ignored Afghanistan for 7 years with a crude approach to counter-insurgency warfare best illustrated by: 1. Deny it. 2. Ignore it. 3. Bomb it. While our intelligence agencies called the region the greatest threat to America, the Bush White House under-resourced our military efforts, shifted attention to Iraq, and failed to bring to justice the masterminds of September 11."
Cheney is an incompetent, evil blowhard who is trying to protect his failed legacy.
Garvagh
oaklynne: You are being far too kind to Dick Cheney, when you describe him as "incompetent". It was his great skill at manipulating the major newspapers and broadcast new outlets, that set up the totally unnecessary war in Iraq, contrary to international law. Cheney was at the heart of the infliction of one of the greatest injuries on this Republic, in its history.
Garvagh
dabell: I hope you are aware that Dick Cheney had reliable intelligence Iraq posed no threat whatever to the US, many months before he pushed forward the insane US/UK invasion of Iraq. This is a man you think Obama should consult for advice re war and peace?
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magoo363
dabeall,
Replace the words "equally-reliable" with "questionable" in your statement and it would be correct. You can read news reports and weapon assessments that came out at any time prior to 2001 from Great Britain, the US and numerous other countries, before they were scrubbed and we had the run up to war. The UN also had weapon inspectors in Iraq since the first Gulf War and kept them from re-constituting any WMD program.
johncopeland
would somebody please torture this dick cheney until he shuits up! he is a fool! and anyone who listens to him is a fool!
bobj72
Why the incessant "(Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm)" sound that originated in the Pig Sty???
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connie47
Not quite. Get a history book.
RawhideRex
Did you forget that 9/11 happened during those 8 years???
I suppose you have an excuse for that as well don't you...
zetathree
RawhideRex,
Don't you know that everything that happened during W's first 9 months was Clinton's fault? And everything that happened during Obama's first 9 months is Obama's fault except the FBI arrests of terrorists within the United States. It is Obama's fault that they are in the country, but it is Cheney who is responsible for their arrest.
newswoman
Bullshit. We got hit in the first place because they ignored warnings!! Remember?
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Warehouseone
pseudo-intellectual dabeall,
Do you actually read anything?
The hijackers entered under BOTH Clinton's and Bush's terms
according to the 9/11 Commission's report.
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BipartisanCurious
Sorry Dabeall, your attempt to rewrite history rings hollow. I wouldn't blame Bush for 9/11, but I would say that his administration ignored warning after warning about Al Qaeda and then capitalized on the event to get re-elected and carry out the long-standing neocon agenda.
Far from keeping us safe, Bush/Cheney have successfully further agitated the Middle East and we're now in the precarious position of trying to build democracies in 2 "nations" whose population cares more about their tribe and local warlord and wean their children on trigger of an AK47.
Warehouseone
"The hijackers entered in this country during Clinton's term. The Clinton administration had the opportunity to apprehend Bin Laden and took a pass."
Why does the Clinton Administration bear the brunt of the responsibility when as I pointed out the hijackers entered this country before and after Bush was elected.
Honestly, it is impossible to weigh who is more to blame unless you were there. (and neither of us were)
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Ruckus
Who was Pres and Vice Pres on 09/11/01 ?
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BipartisanCurious
What's myopic is to think that Bush/Cheney made the situation better for us in the world. They were confronted with one of the most horrific acts of violence this country has ever seen and they responded by invading Afghanistan and then effectively abandoning it to attack Iraq for made-up reasons.
So what I'm talking about is not Bush/Cheney preventing 9/11, but rather using the damage done by 9/11 to take advantage of the american people and invade a country that we had no business invading.
That's why I say that Bush/Cheney agitated the Middle East further.
The "strategy" of keeping terrorists abroad by starting wars of of choice may have had short-term success, but its long-term potential is much more explosive and dangerous to our safety.
thetone
You're all wrong. We were attacked multiple times under Clintons watch. Let's not forget the '93 WTC bombing, the attack on the USS Cole, the Khobar towers, the Embassy bombing etc. etc. Clinton had Bin Ladin literally in handcuffs and let him go. The 9/11 blood rest squarely on his hands.
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BipartisanCurious
Hehe, it's all supposition, as in "The brunt of it (the blame) goes to Slick Willie". What we're all doing here is giving opinions...
Asserting that Bush/Cheney kept us safe doesn't take into account the lives of soldiers who were killed and/or disabled. They are "us" too. Furthermore you would be hard-pressed to defend your idea that Bush doesn't bear a significant burden of blame when he ignored terrorism until 9/11 despite being repeatedly warned by Clinton Admin officials that terrorism would be the most important thing he would confront in his term.
I'm not defending the Clinton Admin's performance on the emerging threat. They made mistakes too. On occasion they were negligent. But to downplay the Bush/Cheney failure and push it off onto Clinton belies the fact that Bush/Cheney entered office and ignored the problem presented to them.
I don't think they could have prevented 9/11, but let's not make martyr's of them as our defenders when they politicized the situation by using it to justify the neocon agenda they intended to push all along.
Honchos
In September 2001, my friends and I weren't fans of Bush and were still upset that he had become president due to a shady recount in the state his brother was governor of and the halting of that recount by a Supreme Court which was packed with people who owed their job to his father. Despite the fact that we weren't crazy about our president, he was still our president and we rallied behind him, muted our criticism of him and began to hope and pray that he would be the leader we needed in these difficult times. Of course, by the time he started invading a country for no good reason that support had eroded, but for a time, even though we didn't like the guy, we put country ahead of politics.
Do you think the right wing would have done the same thing if it happened on Obama's watch? I seriously, seriously doubt it.
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Garvagh
dabeall: Are you actually arguing that thed squandering of at least $1 trillion on a totally unnecessary war, was part of an effective method of "keeping your ass safe"?
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BipartisanCurious
Hehe dabeall, you first accuse everyone who disagrees with you of engaging in supposition and then characterize your supposition as fact. I appreciate you have an opinion, but mock the fact that you consider your supposition to be fact.
thetone
When Cheney speaks everybody listens, and that just eats your square yellow ass alive doesn't it?
Bulldoglover100
LOL The ONLY people who listen to Cheney are those who have nothing to do all day. Too stupid to be in college, too uneducated to hold a job and too tied into fear mongering to read and understand what is going on. I left out the racism because it goes without saying when someone attempts to slam someone using total Bull.
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n--Y--morecowbellwhen-the-whip-comes-down
Bulldoglover100:
I couldn't agree with you more.
Cheney and Bu$hco had far more interest and the means to allow ALL of the catastrophes of their administration to unfold than to keep us safe from them in the first place.
You notice how when there is a story on TDB concerning Bu$h or Cheney that the Nazi sympathizers come out in droves to defend their fuhrer.
Ozone69
While we have bootsw on the ground in a war zone, this administration is stumping for the Olympics and to re-elect corrupt NJ Governor Jon Corzine. Obama has spoken more with Davic Letterman than with his military advisors and generals. I can't wait for 2012.
Piscesprincess
awww too bad... you HAVE to wait, don't you... poor baby.. ah, operative word there, Baby. sob. give us all a break and stop with the stupid stuff.
ShutUpAndThink
Yeah, let's ignore the all-too-infamous video of Bush playing golf just months after 9/11. "we need to bring these people to justice... Now watch this drive". I believe we had boots on the ground then, too.
when-the-whip-comes-down
That brings to mind the time after poppy Bu$h was elected and wile out jogging was asked a question of what additional taxes the most affluent citizens should pay to help reduce the budget deficit...
His response was "read my hips" wile he goes jogging off.
newswoman
What a naive understanding of a president's duties. He/she has to make many decisions in a day. Because he stumps for the Olympics doesn't mean he can't deal with the economy, healthcare, the Wars, etc. Watch the real news channels instead of Faux News and you will learn something.
Ozone69
When I need a good laugh I watch PMS NBC or CBS. At least Fox never had to fire one of their star reporters for using a forged document (a poor one at that) to discredit a President's service the Armed Forces. I especially love it when Keith Olberman mentions his "Cornell" years (a la Andrew Bernard of "The Office"). He majored in "Communications" (whatever that means) at a State sponsored program at Cornell's Agriculture College. I guess he would be an expert on greenhouse gasses caused by cow flatulence considering he graduated from an agriculture college.
Honchos
Umm, do you really want to start comparing pundits college degrees? Say what you will about Olberman's "Communications" degree (which by the way for people going into media and is actually a very common degree), but guess what?
Glenn Beck - no college degree
Sean Hannity - no college degree
Rush Limbaugh - no college degree
Pretty impressive, huh?
Llplo99
A fox viewer, no less. You lost all credibility by admitting that.
Ozone69
What was Dan Rather's major? Forgery?
when-the-whip-comes-down
Ozone69:
"What was Dan Rather's major? Forgery?"
Dan Rather is an example of duress being used to send a clear message to other reporters who were considering not towing the line.
Ozone69
"Dan Rather is an example of duress being used to send a clear message to other reporters who were considering not towing the line."
What line is that? The one about not using forged documents to discredit a sitting president two weeks before his re-election bid?
connie47
Cheney got an incredible 5 deferments for himself during Viet Nam. Having never served, he moved as quickly as possible to send American kids into two horrific wars, based on statements that turned out to be false. Cheney ws in a big hurry to get those war started and the cash flowing into Haliburton.
Take your time, Mr. President, and get it right before committing more American lives. Mr. Cheney, STFU.
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connie47
You want to tell us where you got your doctorate in "international affairs and military strategy and tactics"?
Much of my understanding of the subject comes from someone with 25 years of first hand experience as an officer in wartime, which followed and ran concurrent to quite a lot of military schooling at the officer level, including war college - my husband.
And where did you serve again, dabeall?
RawhideRex
dabeall
1) Since you brrought it up. What training do you have in international affairs or military strategy and tactics do YOU have? You must be an expert...correct? Please enlighten us.... explain EXACTLY, with facts, how Obama is going about Afaganistan the wrong way.
Carole65
You know, dabeall, the adjectives you attach to the President diminish your argument. While I agree that Connie's post is based on a myopic view of Afghanistan and a denial that the war against the Taliban and AlQaeda was justified and approved by the majority in Congress, time will tell whether this approach by this administration is appropriate or dithering. Cheney's experience in foreign affairs gives him the right to call the certain situation as he sees it. And the fact that he served no time in the military has nothing to do with his judgement any more than Clinton's lack of experience justified our intervention in Bosnia.
ukeman
If it weren't so obvious that the only ones to gain by cheney and rove's clarion call is their military/war machine dividends and the concentration of egocentric power, shared by rich neo-cons and too many rich Dems too, one could actually consider their INSANE spewing.
connie47
Carole,
Since you're bending over backwards to defend dabeall, please point out excactly where he/she said anyone was myopic. Then please cut and paste where I said or even implied anything about the Taliban or Al Quaeda or congressional approval.
In fact, your post completely ignores every single word that I have posted, in a pathetic attempt to cover for one of your fellow Cheney fans. From what I wrote, you cannot possibly know a single thing - not one single thing - about my views on Afghanistan or any aspect of that war.
Not one shred of truth in your post, Carol, not one.
Piscesprincess
I notice you keep count of the # of m's you use. silly billy.
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ShutUpAndThink
Go back to Monkey School, dabeall! The playthings are waiting for you...
newswoman
Where DO you get you info, dabeall? From the funnies?
connie47
If you have a master's in international relations, you got it from a matchbook cover. You don't seem to know that there's an apostrophe in the word.
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cbeenthere
connie
Just love the matchbook cover comeback. The Best.
Laughing till crying.
thetone
And let's not forget the past three month's have been the bloodiest to date. Under whose watch?
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n--Y--morecowbellwhen-the-whip-comes-down
This is truly ironic, ShutUpAndThink,
"Go back to Monkey School, dabeall! The playthings are waiting for you..."
I was doing some research on Karl Roves biological father last night and came across a piece about Curious George being named after G.H.W.Bu$h on the suggestion by Nicoli Tesla.
Llplo99
dabeall, based on your ignorance, we want to see 1) your birth certificate and 2) your academic transcripts.
Carole65
connie47
"Cheney got an incredible 5 deferments for himself during Viet Nam. Having never served, he moved as quickly as possible to send American kids into two horrific wars, based on statements that turned out to be false. Cheney ws in a big hurry to get those war started and the cash flowing into Haliburton".
So sorry you feel offended by my intrepetation of your remarks, but it was your reference to 2 wars, based on faulty intellegence and your myopic conclusion for the reason that we went to war. If you would like to clarify those remarks, do so.
connie47
Carole,
Even you can't be that stupid. Both Bush and Cheney went on national TV and to the national press and provided the reasons the US had to rush into war. Those reasons turned out not to be true. This is known and provable fact, not my opinion.
Ergo, when I said we went to war based on statements that turned out to be false, I simply stated a historical fact. If you somehow know more than even Bush, Cheney and the CIA claimed to know at the time, I urge you to find a publisher and get a book out.
"Myopic" refers to shortsightedness. Going into war based on flawed and faulty reasoning/intelligence, without an exit strategy, is myopia personified in Bush and Cheney.
BTW, no need to apologize. Your remarks reflect on you, not me.
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Carole65
Connie47: How about hackneyed view. Yeah, I like that better - far more descriptive of your past grievences with the previous administration.
What faulty intellegence do you attribute to the war in Afghanistan?
connie47
Carole and dabealle,
If attacking me all day is what floats your boat, be my guest. I notice you're both afraid to take on all the other posters here who, by the way, do not agree with either of you. Instead, you try to lure me into an all-day pissing contest.
Focusing all your energy on me will not make either of you right or moral. It will not alter in any way the history of the leadup to these wars. It will not debunk the fact that Cheney sought 5 times to avoid having to fight himself. You're both wrong and I couldn't care less what you think of me. I have history on my side.
JohnnyAces
For what it's worth I agree with most of what Connie is saying. I just don't have the time to debate today. Bottom line though, Cheney is a hypocrit, he took us into a war in IRAQ that we had no place being, the Bush adminstration was a disaster, neither Clinton or Bush was not to blame for 9/11, and I doubt dabeall has a Master's in International affairs.
Good day.
cbeenthere
dabeall
Why don't you look up how many "visits" Cheney made to the GHW Bush CIA Headquarters in Langley,VA to "persuade" the analysts to see events "his" way.
The intelligence supplied by Ambassador Joe Wilson and Hans Blix be damned by him.
You know zero about the history of the Middle East.
cbeenthere
Oh, and debeal
... wait for what WMD's that you refer to?
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n--Y--morecowbelljoycehelene
Good old Cheney doesn't care a fig about getting things right, what does he have to lose, nobody in his family is ever going to serve in the military. Sure he likes war so he can make a ton of money at Haliburton, he is a low scum-bag telling President Obama to hurry up so more of our soldiers can get killed like what happened in Iraq.
newswoman
Well put, Connie.
thetone
Take your time Mr. "president". Who cares if a few more of our boys die, waiting for you to "get it right". Remember, it's important that the world "likes us".
Ozone69
He got the same number of deferments as Joe Biden.
pjsoft
Once we read that President Bush replaced Cheney as top advisor in favor of listening to Secretary Rice, we understand Cheney's outbursts since leaving office. He had to remain silent publically for the last years he was Vice President when Bush ignored his advice. Obviously a lot of pent up frustration there. Wasn't it VP Cheney who was in favor of taking our eye off the Afghan war to invade Iraq? I guess his memory is a tad impaired.
DakLak
Cheney doesn't understand the GOP lost it.
Guess he still thinks the secret service guys he still has feeds his ego and makes him think he is a somebody.
May be he wants his very own bunker, again. Hopefully this wish will be fulfilled soon, a bunker with a box and him in it ... when his pacemaker battery times out. Silence at last.
P.S. Did anyone ever get to open his mysterious safe?
co-intheknow
Hmmmm, five-deferments Dick harping about Afghanistan? Wasn't it he and GWB who decided to take their eyes off the Afghan ball and concentrate on Iraq - where it was easier for -his company, Halliburton, to rip off the US for untold sums?
Dick should shut his damn mouth because his admin screwed the pooch during their term by fucking forgetting about the Afghan war.
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n--Y--morecowbelldemocracyforall
and I suppose the generals did nothing in your mind as well.
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n--Y--morecowbellJohnnyAces
"Cheney Tells Obama To Stop 'Dithering'"
Someone needs to tell Cheney to "Stop Breathing".
joycehelene
I can't imagine how his heart is holding on for so many years, I wish he would just crawl up in a cave in some unknown place and keep his bad advice to himself, he is not needed at all.
melissamsouza
He has the protection of the Devil. He is too evil to die. In the past year, we've lost actors, directors, singers and politicians of incredible value to this country and to the world (Ted Kennedy comes to mind, so does Natasha Richardson, the director John Hughes and others). Cheney is a killer, pure and simple. His "policies" are aimed at making excruciating amounts of money for himself and his nefarious "partners", and and are dependent on bloodbaths--with the spilling of American as well as foreign blood. Precisely because he has no heart, and no conscience, he has the gall to poke the President with incessant yapping about rushing to solve the intractable problems that he himself bequeathed to Obama. This guy, and his whole f*&%king, ridiculous, mediocre, twisted family, should just be pulverized out of existence. Unfortunately, Satan has too much power in this material world to let that happen.
hockeydog
melissa you just made my day; and my belly hurt from laughter!!!
Prince-O
We have double the troops in Afghanistan now than we have had in the previous eight years. So those previous eight years, our troops weren't in harms way? or they weren't in a war? All of a sudden, it is either we triple our forces or lose the war?.. Come on Dick! ... I guess halliburton needs to make some more profit from war.
gunapie
Politicians like Cheney do great harm to society. They are experts at the lie to get their fix for power. He uses such ideas as nationalism to hook wink the public.
Fentro
Cheney is a hypocrite - Google Cheney's speech about how bad an idea it was to go into Iraq, then when in a position to get rich by war profiteering (a treasonable offense), he changes his mind.
The man is irrelevant, obscene, a coward (yes, he'll send your son to die for his country, yet he avoided service in Vietnam), and has some perverse notion of America. I really wish he'd die, since no one has the balls to come forward with evidence on Cheney's offenses against our country. Yes, Neocons, the Iraq war was a farce, and Cheney knew it. They lied us into an illegal war. The terrorists from 9/11 were SAUDI ARABIAN! Why don't we invade this country, which is a ruthless royalty where women have no rights, and it's ruled in a police-state fashion that violates human rights? Because Bush's family business makes billions in oil profits from the Bin-Laden family. How do you answer that, neocons? You can't, unless you use some false rationalization. Wake up, Bush and Cheney are TRAITORS who should be put on trial.
when-the-whip-comes-down
I came across something that is on www.oldamericancentury.org referring to Jonathan P. Bu$h handling the money that went to Prince Bandar's wife that ultimately went to the Saudi hijackers:
According to the 5/14/04 New York Times, Federal regulators fined the Riggs National Corporation, the parent company of Riggs Bank, $25 million yesterday for "failing to report suspicious activity, the largest penalty ever assessed against a domestic bank in connection with money laundering. The fine stems from Riggs's failure over at least the last two years to actively monitor suspect financial transfers through Saudi Arabian accounts held by the bank." The 5/14/04 Wall Street Journal reported that of particular concern, Riggs failed to monitor "tens of millions of dollars in cash withdrawals from accounts related to the Saudi Arabian embassy," including "suspicious incidents involving dozens of sequentially numbered cashier's checks and international drafts written by Saudi officials, including Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan." According to the 4/18/04 Washington Post, Saudi Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa al-Faisal, "may have used a Riggs account to donate money to a charity that then gave some of it to the Sept. 11 terrorists."
hockeydog
unbelievable-Keep whipping em good, whip.
angst7
It intersting to see all the comments from the know it all who can find 50 reasons for Cheney service deferment but not ONE good reason why our CIC can't decide just how many Americans have to die before he get his head out of his ass.
Pathetic!!!
ShutUpAndThink
Cheney had 8 years to add more troops to Afghanistan... 8 YEARS!!
SandraZ8122
So tell me again, what is so special about Chenny Chin Head?
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n--Y--morecowbellperiscope
I never did respect Cheney's opinion, even when he was playing Svengali to the depraved moron, Bushboy.
And since it has been revealed he is a war criminal and was wrong about everything ("Our troops will be greeted like heroes in Baghdad," etc.), why pay any attention to this sociopath at all?
I realize that Cheney is a sensation-seeking-clown, like Limbaugh or Beck, in that he makes outrageous statements that any person with a modest IQ and a smidgen of conscience could discern. But America really needs to move on from the opinions of a proven fool and insidious liar like Cheney.
The only news item about him that I want to read is when he is perp-walked into the Hague for his many war crimes.
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n--Y--morecowbellEgyptSteve
My God, what a tool Cheney is. Cheney and his puppet Bush did nothing *but* dither for eight years in Afghanistan, while tens of thousands of lives were destroyed or ruined, and hundreds of billions of dollars were squandered, as they played out their fantasies and obsessions in Iraq. Cheney may have something useful to add to the discussion of other aspects of Obama's security policy -- I think his arguments on torture are obscene, but at least they're not trivial carping. But in Afghanistan, the Cheney-Bush record is one of absolute failure to understand history, tactics, strategy, or America's actual political or security interests. Here, at least, Cheney should keep his pie-hole firmly shut. But, the man has no shame.
tumbleweed
He and all Republican's like to forget that 9/11 happened on their watch! What's worse they were warned about it before Clinton left office. What's even worse it was something they could have prevented if they knew what the hell they were doing. But, they chose to ignore the warnings and allowed it to happen. Now they complaining about Obama using a little common sense and taking his time to make a decision on the mess they started. As far as keep this country safe they didn't even do that during their tenure in office. Why should al Queda hit us again, when Bush/Cheney were doing such a terrific job of destroying us???? All they had to do was wait for the collapse!
when-the-whip-comes-down
"Why should al Queda hit us again, when Bush/Cheney were doing such a terrific job of destroying us???? All they had to do was wait for the collapse!"
At the beginning of this "war on terror" that is exactly what Bin Laden said the objectives are.
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