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D.C. Sniper Declined Last Words
D.C.-area sniper John Allen Muhammad was executed at 9:11 p.m. Tuesday, the long-awaited conclusion of a three-week killing spree that left 10 dead in 2002. Though Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine opposes the death penalty, he declined to commute Muhammad's sentence (requested by lawyers who claimed mental illness), saying he had a duty to abide Virginia's extant penal code. Muhammad requested a final meal but did not release the menu to the public; he declined to visit with a spiritual adviser; he also declined to choose his method of death, and died by lethal injection as a default. He reportedly "showed no emotion in the death chamber. When the curtain opened, his head was tilted to the right, and his eyes were closed. Asked whether he wanted to say anything, he did not respond." Though the sniper attacks spread across Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., Muhammad and his teenage accomplice, Lee Boyd Malvo, were prosecuted in Virginia precisely for its harsh stance on murder.
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*mortal kombat voice* Flawless Victory.
Justice is done.
Bye bye Johnny!!
Well, now he's gone. I wonder if the families of victims feel any less anger and hurt? I can't imagine they do.
I don't know if they feel "less anger and hurt". But I'll bet they feel perhaps more at peace now than they would have had this sleaze bag murderer been allowed to live while their loved one's weren't.
He might have been able to hide his humanity in this life but not in his reckoning with his maker. They might be find some peace and closure in that.
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Don't wanna read about or have any interest in this pathetic social casuality. (or, murdering sadistic piece of dreck)!
Course, naturally there is the paradox of commenting on the poor sludge anyway.
If anything, my prayers go out to the victim's families & friends.
The nightmare never goes away.
In reviewing this story today I was struck by the fact that his rampage lasted only three weeks. At the time it seemed to go on for months. That was one of the longest 3 week periods of my life! He really terrorized us.
I agree. I, too, was surprised; it seemed like it was a long time. While I'm not pro-death sentence, in this case I believe his sentence was appropriate if only to know that by some quirk he will never be out on the streets again. Death brings it all to an end.
America really is a
Death cult in
So many
Ways
I agree with your comment. My brother was murdered and even though they caught the person and tried him and gave him a long prison sentence it does nothing to lessen the pain or change the fact that I will never see my brother again. Everyday on the news it's nothing but mass killings, it's an epidemic. The death penalty has not stopped one killer from pulling the trigger. Revenge is not the answer. Something is seriously broken in American society and no amount of imprisonments and executions will fix it. "One measure of civilization is how well we treat the most vulnerable members of our society." I am not defending this man, as I have said my brother was cruelly murdered, but this man was obviously mentally ill. Executing someone in his state is not Justice it's revenge and American society is the poorer for it. Shame.
"America really is a
Death cult in
So many
Ways" - socialworklady
"It is a poverty
to decide that
a child must die
so that you may
live as you wish" - Mother Teresa
The BBC reported what he requested for his final meal. Are you ready? Are you sitting down?
He had chicken.
I just listened to the BBC news for the day and they made no reports on his last meal only his mode of death and his killing spree. Perhaps you are dreaming about YOUR last meal.
Clearly, you are not paying attention, or you're spending too much time in the louve. He had chicken with some sort of red sauce, some kind of cake with strawberries.
i'm sure that joke goes far at your kfc meetings
"Muhammad requested a final meal but did not release the menu to the public..."
Liar or teller of pointless, unfunny jokes. Hmm. Choices, choices.
Nope - you are wrong. He had chicken with red sauce and cake.
nope hfb1053,
let's take the lies up a notch. He was given a goat-elephant hybrid head steamed with green onions and frozen donkey blood for dessert. He originally asked for a human head but the jail said no.
"The lawyer said Muhammad's last meal was "chicken and red sauce, and he had some cakes."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/10/virginia.sniper.execution/index.htm l
good riddance
All these years, no one told us why. Today one small article said this was a Desert Storm Sargeant, who came home with head injuries and neurological problems. He was supposed to be psychotic as well. A brain injured person cannot be psychotic, the brain injury is in the way to make that diagnosis.
When I worked in the ER Trauma center, many a Vietnam era veteran was brought in and transferred immediately to the VA hospital. My brother was a resident there, in the mental wards, the brain injured with extreme violence issues were in the ward in which he worked.
The statistics say the current war is sending more brain injured veterans home than any other war.
It is obvious that we have done nothing to improve the care of brain injured veterans. All those people lost their lives, a teen ager was tormented and threatened into being a part of the killing spree.
This was not a drugged up law student on a killing spree such as Ted Bundy. The veteran we failed to treat appropriately, even if that means good, quiet places for brain injured, and violent veterans to live out their lives, maybe on medications to help them, cost a lot of people a lot.
I hope we, as a country learn something from this, not just go on full ahead like a bunch of pitch fork wielding transylvanians after Dr. Frankenstein.
Prayers for the people and families in this mess.
I agree with you. We have to do something about our mental health system in this country. As you say, many of our brave men and women return from war with serious problems. At the rate we are going, in 15 years there will be an unspeakable number of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans imprisoned for something caused by the brain trauma, and PTSD they are suffering from. These people are suffering, there must be something done.
I agree, but it is very difficult for us to really grasp the enormity of these brain injured veterans. This man proved himself to be a real danger to society. We are going to need a lot of VA hospitals and for me, personally, some restriction of the guns they can buy so easily.
Prayers for all of us.
No last words? And what, exactly, could this pathetic piece of shit have said?
His epitaph: he had nothing to say
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How about "Forgive me."?
Funny, the death penalty only adds to the fact some really want to go on a killing spree, if that person is caught, he or she knows the ending so there is nothing to lose. Give a person nothing to lose or hope, then you get the devil or god.
Another reason why the limitation of all guns in this country should be enacted. There are more guns in the US than people.
Your second sentence is part of the reason your first sentence will never happen.
Bye,i hope it hurt
Political Correctness obscured the DC snipers' motivation almost a decade ago and it's still doing it now on the Ft. Hood event.
Jihadist then, jihadist now.
The crabwalking and general truth-avoidance on this issue is as disgraceful a display of media malfeasance as I have ever seen.
But let us for now celebrate the death of Mohammed. More people with that name need to be scrutinized for similar beliefs.
Ah, mal jr., where does one start? First of all, the randomness of Muhammad's targets indicates that he was just a whacko on a rampage rather than a jihadist carrying out a series of religiously-inspired murders.
And seeing that you'd like to scrutinize everyone with a Muslim name for their beliefs--well, perhaps you'd like a job with the Thought Police. Unfortunately for you, that outfit doesn't exist yet.
Thanks for playing SF but you are simply uniformed. Google yourself up some info on the jihadist inspiration behind the sniper attacks. Check out Malvo's jailhouse drawings, in particular.
Reread the relevant post. I did not say all Muslims should be scrutinized. But Muslims in sensitive military posititions do need scrutiny. Can you figure out, after last Thursday, why that may be?
So sadly you are wrong here on the facts and sloppy in your comprehension.
By the way, would you be okay with Klan members teaching in the public schools?
I'm not certain about your non sequitur concering KKK members teaching in public schools. Are you having a hard time getting your teaching credential?
"I'm not certain"
I'm sure that there is a lot you're not sure of, but try to answer the question anyway; we'll take your shortcomings into account.
There's one thing of which I'm certain: you interpret your own inability to express yourself precisely as a lack of comprehension in others.
"just a whacko on a rampage rather than a jihadist carrying out a series of religiously-inspired murders."
Regardless the motivation, the end result is the same.
"......well, perhaps you'd like a job with the Thought Police."
The Thought Police are a creation of the liberal left, it was signed into law last week by Obama, it's called "Hate Crimes" legislation. To me that is the most absurd law ever attempted, but let's analyze:
- Ft. Hood, 13 murdered, 30 injured, by an Islamic jihadist who are taught and brain-washed into hating America and Americans. After all, we are infidels. I would sentence Major Hasan to death. Clearly a "hate crime", in the form of terrorism.
- D.C. sniper, 10 murdered, by an Islamic convert. No clearly identifiable "hate crime", just a shear love for committing murder, in a form of terrorism. Was sentenced to death.
No difference for the 23 dead innocents. No difference in the outcomes for the perpetrators. The purpose of Thought Police via Hate Crimes legislation ...... absolutely none.
A cancer has been removed !
I like where maladapted is taking this. We should stretch it further to include scrutinizing most religions (since atheists make up a far less proportion of the American prison population per capita).
But being atheist doesn't stop me for applauding the Christian belief system. I too agree with a lot of Christians that all sin is equal in God's eyes, so we should use the death penalty on all felony crimes since our judgment is much less credible then Jesus's verdict.
I take it you failed your mail-order sarcasm class.
How about this: If there is another Muslim attack on our troops. will you ignore it or once again choose to effect a flippant attitude?
Meanwhile, the juvenile nitwittery of "examining most religions" in response to a specific act of jihadist murder is about par for the course from PC addled mooncalves...
I can't believe you hacked into my online account to look at my transcripts. How else could you know that I, in fact, did fail my sarcasm class? Since I failed that class and you seem to have missed the mark on my statement, I will try another approach.
Murder is Murder. It doesn't matter why you murder someone, it doesn't change what you did. You state that the murders were because of Jihad. What does that mean? It means that someone was murdered because of what someone believed in. It is obvious that everyone has a belief system, so does that mean that every murder is permitted by that person's belief system? The answer is yes. Clearly if a person murders someone, that person had to come to terms with the act (at some brief point) to allow it to happen. Thus, using your logic, we should enact a profiling based on a person's beliefs. These beliefs can be broad or narrow. What better place to study the effect of belief and crime than a prison. Looking at the prison we can see clearly how people identify themselves and that identification should be used to scrutinize certain populations more than others. Even if someone promotes, or dismisses, acts of aggression in his/her belief system and a follower of that belief commits murder, then that belief is permissive of such acts. Thus spawns the previous post. There is a flaw in my argument and it stems directly from your argument. So if you can find the flaw maybe you won't miss the mark on what I say next time.
maladapted: If your premise is correct, then every Christian in the US and abroad should be scrutinized because someone who calls themself a Christian murders an abortion doctor or leaves a bomb in an abortion clinic or blows up a government building in Oklahoma. Your idea is weak, lacks foundation and is a prime example of shallow thinking.
By the way, speaking of lacking foundation, Timothy McVeigh was not acting on religious belief. He ws an agnostic. Look it up...or continue to spread propaganda, as your conscience dictates.
Another by the way: all groups are not equal. That may be a complicated notion for you, but try rolling it around in your brain for awhile...
mal - if you weren't so incredibly rude and "go for the throat", your posts would carry more weight. You become so insulting if someone points out another view and thus, lose any credibility. It really shouldn't be your way or no way but I guess for you, that's all you can see.
Regarding Hasan, is it possible he was a "Manchurian Candidate". That was the first thing I thought of when the news came out.
maladapted-
You look it up McVeigh, was born into an Irish Catholic family. He admitted in an interview in Time magazine that he had lost touch with religion, but maintained the core beliefs. Please follow your own rules.
It seems that when maladapted gets caught in his own web, he simply does not respond. I wonder where all that testosterone is then. If he can't insult you or bully you, then there is no response. cbeenthere is correct in that at one point in time, Tim McVeigh attended mass daily with his dad and as he got older, drfited away from his religion.
Isn't maladapted the one with the snappy "lickspittle" comeback?
McVeigh's biographers explicitly note his agnosticism. If you want to call him a Christian because of his birth and despite his denial, you have a pretty flexible view of reality.
hfb1053 -
don't read too much into being ignored...
So maladapted answers with a referral to an unauthorized biography. Ok
The information both myself and hfb refer to is a face to face interview with Timothy McVeigh conducted by Time Magazine.
What's your problem maladapted?
George Bush was in the crowd outside crying with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin's preacher. Bush's outburst, "Muh Brudder, muh Brudder...". Bush was last seen chasing the hearse down a dirt road trying to paw the casket bawling, "Ah loves you, Man".
Wow, that is wrong in so many ways and completely inappropriate. Save your political bashing for another time and consider the families that suffered when he killed. You need to apologise.
There have been dozens of actual and planned jihadist attacks in this country since 9-11. If your best response to that is to scrutinize Lutherans, then you're just going on record as a typical PC nitwit.
Islam is and has been a violent bigoted supremacist belief system. There are multiple Quranic dictates caling for the death or subjugation of non-believers.
Hundreds of millions of Muslims subscribe to a literalist vview of Islam and they murder innocents every day all over the world.
Sorry if it ruffles your feathers to be reminded of inconvenient truths...
"America really is a
Death cult in
So many
Ways" - socialworklady
"It is a poverty
to decide that
a child must die
so that you may
live as you wish" - Mother Teresa
Why is it that no one, including the President, seems to want to obscure the motives of the killers of abortion doctor?
Why do they not warn about jumping to conclusions then?
The same left-leaning drones who assume racial motives among the Tea Party protesters recoil in utmost horror when obvious jihadism is labeled as such.
Think about it... you'll get a notion of the distortive effect of the PC mindest.
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maladapted: You are maladapted. I never mentioned Lutherans, I guess I have ruffled your feathers. When are you going to start the herding of muslims so we can all be safe. Don't forget the nutcake Christians who bomb the aformentioned clinics. Again, you are a shallow thinker.
Think about it.
would next Monday work for you?
You seem fixated on shallow thinking. I can see why.
Let me ask again: at what point would you agree that there might be a problem? How many more murders, plots, attacks by jihadist types? Give us a number...
The fact that you're going back decades to reference the half-handful of events in your post should clue you in on the differentials here. I'm talking about Thurdsay. You're talking, inaccurately, about events from a decade and half ago.
Think you might be reaching?
Thank you.
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