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Dems: Go for Broke or Stay Put?
With voters staying home from the polls, Democrats are left wondering whether to appeal to the liberal wing of the party by pushing hard on health-care reform and climate change, or to pull back and pursue a middle-of-the-way agenda that will appeal to moderates and independents. “We have to do something, but it has to be right,” said one first-term Democratic representative. “We must deliver. I need to give Democrats something to be excited about," said Rep. Gerald E. Connolly, Democrat of Virginia. Republicans said Wednesday that their victories in Virginia and New Jersey indicated that voters were unhappy with the Democratic agenda.
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hockeydog
Nope!
Voters are unhappy with all of the empty promises, all of the false hopes of any sort of meaningful reform in any area.
Voters are unhappy that our Senators and Congressmen are bought and sold, that the more things change the more they stay the same.
Wernerlll
Right on there hockeydog; it's called "Corpocracy" or is it "Social Capitalism"?
Who knows anymore, just hope the Mayans were right for 2012, so we can
start all over and do it right next time?
hfb1053
Werner - If the Mayans were right about 2012, there won't be a next time.
oliverckerr
Hi Hockey Dog!
These elected officials we see on cable TV aren't leaders. Our politics are broken.
We need to renew our politics; create an Independent Party, the tent big enough for every faction to join, except politishinz, unless they renounce their politishinizm and accept that we will not support any politishinz running for public office because we need new people. Our slogan should be "Dump the 535. The 535 Must Go"
We could start with a $3 check off for a First Amendment Speech Fund, in addition to the current mini-ponzi scheme matching election fund.
You could declare your candidacy and then contact the TV station of your choice and book the time. The network or station would get their ad money lost from your half or hour long speech from the Speech Fund. The hitch:
Every candidate would be starting out with 200 million earmarked in a special First Amendment Speech Fund account to pay for live political speeches where you, the candidate are required to take an oath that the words you are speaking are your own. Otherwise, use your own money.
Then any one who felt they had the right stuff would and could run without compromising their integrity; what the founding fathers were they here would certainly endorse..
The threshold place to appear would be C-Span. You would write them a letter, and book your time to sit and make a statement and then take questions from news rooms and class rooms , not the general public so your own supporters cannot flood the lines.
Did you know that C-SPAN, with three 24/7 channels operates above the law, without a license. You could (today) write them a request for access and they would trash it in the nearest garbage can after they made a copy and forwarded it to the FBI, in case they felt the need for help in keeping their cloak.
I am a candidate for president. My plan is to sponsor a new political party by holding a giant convention. Say you committed to a $200 delegate fee, and we planned on 200,000 delegates. that is 40 million dollars to run our convention. We establish a web site and you, the delegates write the planks.
We read the planks on line and pre-ratify them. There could be five planks on how to take down the FCC so we have a competitive marketplace with better prices because there are hundreds of channels and the scarcity of bandwidth, the original reason for the commission, is, in today's world, a wash.
Whichever plank was pre-ratified the best would be read on the platform / stage by the author and then using wireless microphones, etc, all the delegates from all the states would ratify the planks.
it would be a Woodstockian event - 200,000 people camped out. Then at night we would have delegate entertainament - Bruce, Bon Jovi, Bono, Whitney Houston, Joan baez, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, the Stones, Madonna. The 40 million would cover the cost of their appearance and millions of people at home would certainly pay-per-view $50 for three or four nights of super music.
You write your plank, and because YOUR plank is chosen you come to the stage and read it, and then get to hang around back stage to meet the entertainment! Cool.
Establishing a First Amendment Speech fund is a healthy step toward repairing our democracy. See you at The Lev Party convention.
michaelslevinson.com
ps: Barky Obama is wearing eye shadow, dressing the windows to his soul for many of his teleprompter events. I put up a major piece showing the eye shadow on my web site
manticore1223
Doesn't plugging your website with every post count as spam?
manticore1223
Also, before you flame me, i actually agree with many of your proposed changes and opinions, however, I intensely the fashion in which they are delivered, which smack of USI and desperation. It also indicates a major surplus of time on your part.
manticore1223
^dislike. sometimes i type a little slower than my thoughts.
newswoman
Come on, Oliverecker. Eye shadow indeed. If you don't like Obama's ideas, just say so without the smirky overtones.
hfb1053
A request to TDB: Please do something about this poster. The posts are much too long and they are the same thing over and over. Many posters other than myself complain to no avail. Perhaps a limit on how long a post can be should be instituted.
oliverckerr
Manticore1223,
Spam is something else, an email similar to the bulk throw-away snail mail in your mailbox, generally pushing porn, eex meds, sexual prowess or a get rich scheme. I am not desperate and I have lots to do besides posting my comments on The Daily Beast.
I created a Television Scripture, hand lettered in double columns, wrtitten in design to perform on world wide television, from dusk until dawn, for all the worlds' peoples to participate in all at once, with every line a delicate sensible rhyme, like Dante and old blind Homer.
When every buddy agrees to simply take one night off, for a change, and be connected with each other as a world together, participating in a cultural event - that will suffuce as the first peaceful night in five thousand years of recorded history.
J. Edgar Hoover personally marked me down in memoranda as a "person of Special Interest," in 1970. His minions have harrassed me for all of these years. The longest deepest file ever created on an American citizen is the file these fascist followers of j. edgarina, the pharoah of fascists, that fascist cross dressing pervert of dirt actively keep.
You may have noticed, those on these pages who attack me always dismiss my ideas with a throwaway line but never refute what I say. They simply attack attack attack.
One million people visit these pages every month. I want them to know there is a peacemaker with an innovative solution for every prob limb facing us on good ship Mother Urf, our planet. This was the first post where I actually mentioned something on my web site.
I did not mention the full naked photos of Jackie Kennedy standing on the beach of Skorpios, photos arranged By Aristotle Onnassis that did appear in an underground news paper, in 1070 which I have a copy of and posted on my site. Did eye?
as long as you agree with many of my ideas, you should support my presenting them. In good faith
michaelslevinson.com
oliverckerr
newswoman!
The piece I wrote about Baqrack obama wearing eye shadow is very hot. it's true. I saved the piece as a pdf. The screen shots I used didn't reproduce that well, but you can see it for yourself. Especially in the last screen shot I used.
The article includes links to a number of youtube videos so you can access them and study his eyes! What is troubling is that he let his make up staff talk him into it! Most people on television get some talc to eliminate sweat and body oil - the shine. But barky's people are dressing his eyes and that, public knowledge thereof, certainly damages his presidency. He is a winner, and my choice for VP. Though he holds the most pow wow er full office in the world, he is not a world leader. The world is leaderless.
michaelslevinson
manticore1223
Spam has taking a much broader definition on the internet these days, good sir. Allow someone of the "Internet Generation" to inform you on its new, revised definition. Repeatedly delivering a link, message, or spamming. The defining factor here is its repetition. Its defining characteristic is completely without regard to content, it simply constitutes posting it to the point of annoyance to other posters on a board or forum. Your writing style indicates you may be well informed on issues, but are either inexperienced with internet forum etiquette or usage. I am willing to concede if Hoover noted you at all, you are probably more used to writing letters to the editor at a paper rather than comments on an online news site. Allow me to caution the style in very much different. Brevity is cherished, and short, punchy to-the-point comments are the law of the land. Off topic tangents are also frowned upon. I realize i may be in violation of my own stated rules with this post but please consider this a post to possibly alleviate some of the irritation others find in your verbose posts.If people at calling for you to be banned for the length of your posts, rather than their content, clearly you are doing something wrong.
oliverckerr
manticore1223,
The contents of my commentary always relates to the article. I hardly repeat my posts, rather I am always refining my commentary. The issues are the issues and the articles published in The Daily Beast repeat the same prob limbs, the perspective in shades, "deep ending" on the author, as the prob limbs we face as a nation aren't going away.
Nor am I.
I have been online since 1989. My first 28.8 modem cost $209. I am well aware of netiquette. Ignorance (your forté) is a netiquette violation.
You write, "if Hoover noted you at all," followed by some blather about writing letters to the editors of news papers. . . you need to enter the following in your browser: cointel.org
When you get to the page you will find the carefully transcribed Church Committee reports, written by the staff of the Frank Church commitee, the published fruits of the Church Committee investigations into the unconstitutional activities of j. edgarina, that pharaoh of fascists who stood shoulder to shoulder with Himmler, Goebbels, and Hitler.
Hoover's fascist band investigated hundreds of thousands of people.
Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler murdered a half million gypsies and six million Jews. Hoover murdered the First Amendment Rights of 300 million American people. He did that by inserting one of his trusted people into the FCC to be a Bureau Chief in charge of enforcing the access rights of candidates for federal elective office.
That fascist Hooverite, with administrative rule after rule after destroyed the rights you had to obtain access to make a speech upon your candidacy for federal office. So you get what you got, empty suits with empty promises. Oh! There are sound bite debates galore, but name me one person who ever stood on their own two feet and made an unencumbered spontaneous speech on behalf of their candidacy for federal office on television.
That is what Feeedom of Speech is all about, not your predetermined idea of what and / or how long anyone is entitled to, to state their case, in the unlimited cyberspace known as internet.
In the event someone writes something you care not to read you have that freedom of scroll bar. Use it. In the event you suffer from attention deaf a sit disorder the scroll bar is what you seek.
In the Church Committee reports you will find that Hoover oversaw the counter intelligence investigations of a couple hundred thousand people. I was friends, back in the day before you were born, with Alan Ginsberg, Abbie hoffman, Jerry Rubin.
I also wrote and published anti-war poems. I was invited to perform at Woodstock. What you so ignorantly don't understand is that once those Fascist Bureaucracy Ink people mark you down as someone to watch, that is for your whole life, unless you divorce yourself from all things political and simply dissappear into the woodwork.
Ther last time I sent an an article to a newspaper, via email, an FBI guy, with one local sherrif detective knocked on my back door asking could they come in and talk to me, waving the email. All under rthe radar.
I recently published a book: "New World Hors D'oeuvres." I suspect it is too deep for you, the lyric prose that developes, beyond your scope, but I want you to have a free copy:
www.michaelslevinson.com/newworld.pdf
In conclusion: I created a work of art to be performed live, for all man kind. Go to youtube.com/poetprophet and watch / listen to Adman and Even in the Gar Den ov Edum. It is the opening story of your life on this planet.
michaelslevinson.com
hfb1053
hockeydog - I completely agree with you: all the empty promises are irritating. Instead of making promises, we need to see action. Make a priority list and do them and show the people that extended their faith in the dems by voting that you stand behind those promises. Do it now, not later or the base will erode.
johnwr3
Whoa horsey...this voter thinks DEMs should shelve there partisan agenda and take trillion dollar step backwards. It's the economy stupid not your society changing pet projects. REVOLUTION is EVOLUTION
diamondgirl
This white house is full of Lobbiest,communists, and left leaning nut jobs, who have an agenda that is not what the majority of americans want. So as far as I am concerned keep the status quo, it works for me.
cesspool
@diamondgirl
and maoists & marxists too - self-avowed communists are a minority at 1600 Penn. Ave these days but they overwhelm our bureaucracies like EPA & Education et al. Liberty vs. Tyranny = you choose.
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Carole65
Well stated............
NewyorkerR
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slmpirate
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manticore1223
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newswoman
You are oversimplying, Square. MOST people don't vote in bi-elections, not jus African Americans. For some reason we don't care who is the county commissioner or governor. And now, people are not identifying with a party. They just vote for the person. I thought this was odd since the party sets the agenda and issues. However, this may be a healthy trend. This way a Rep., for instance, who is fiscally conservative but is pro-choice could get elected.
hfb1053
Well, at least your remarks aren't based on race! No racism here, right Carole, Newyorker, slmpirate, manticore?
manticore1223
I just though it was well stated, and a point I hadn't really considered. I dislike the instant racism cry whenever a racial group is singled out, even in good faith or decent observations. Anything based on race is not necessarily racism, or at least the negatively connotative variety you seem to insinuate.
manticore1223
I think its also notable that or agreement was in reference to the black community as a voting block, rather than a race. IT would be no different than referring to a district or political party.
slmpirate
I didnt think about it from a racist perspective hfb, I was viewing it from a well thought thru analysis of how the black vote did not turn out in these two elections. One could also argue that the youth vote didnt turn out either..Would that make me a youthist?
iamglenbeck
Actually it was before the inauguration party was over with,they couldnt even pick up their own trash.That was just a sign of things to come!
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NewyorkerR
i think there is no doubt he is going to be a 1 term president. He said it himself.
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slmpirate
I agree as well... These folks in DC had better wake up and smell the coffee. America, left, right and the middle want people of passion and conviction who will honestly debate the concerns of the day.. We are tired of the one line glib sound bites and nonsubstantive rhetoric.
Obama's election, though historic, was a repudiation of the cronycapitalism that has occured since Reagon, though Bush 1, Clinton and GW..
JTR55408
The quickest and most sure way for Obama to ensure for himself a 1-term presidency is to fail to take any chances. Slowly but surely, as he makes tepid attempts at fulfilling only the easiest of the many promises he cast about during the campaign, he is alienating the very movement which made unprecedented history by electing our nation's first African-American president. The American people and voter want so much to be able to believe-in their elected leaders. Their cynicism towards politics was tempered by the message of 'Yes We Can!' and 'No More Business As Usual' that the President so effectively communicated. That cynicism will not only return but will turn into a unstoppable wave of 'Throw the Bums Out!' if the President does not begin at least TRYING to deliver on some of the big-ticket promises he had made. Voters will forgive, and still support, a politician who at least TRIES and yet fails. They will NOT forgive, nor will they support, the politician who paints pretty pictures for them only to stand-by and let any number of vandals destroy those pictures with partisan graffiti.
Obama can, and must, do better.
newswoman
Neither will representatives or senators. That is why we are having so much trouble getting a healthcare bill passed. Also, representatives only serve two years so they are constantly running for office, and I think they have a hard time staying in Washington and getting something done. I think we should change the terms for senators and representatives: 4 years for reps. and 4 years for senators. But don't hold your breath.
cesspool
@newswoman ... you're real skanky aren't ya?
Desertpenguin
newswoman--
Agreed.
democracyforall
that's right, Obama will do ANYTHING for a vote.
periscope
The fact is the Dems are behind the curve of what the people want, and need to become more progressive.
By all accounts the people want to pull out of Iraq sooner, not later (and Afghanistan too). They want affordable healthcare and endorse a public option. And they want jobs and an economy that is back on track.
The Republican Party has been a block to all of the above, even though the Stimulus has produced and saved more jobs than anything else would have.
When you are in an economic hole, as Bushboy and the Republican Party left America, you must employ the tried and true economics of Keynes, which is to prime the pump with government expenditures until the jobs and the economy are going again.
Democrats need to wake up, because by 2010, the question is going to be: Where are the jobs?
JTR55408
Jobs will be the key driver in 2010. And I believe the Dems know this. Tuesday's results delivered that message fairly clearly. Unfortunately, in early attempt to demostrate their real intentions of working in a bipartisan manner the Administration allowed the Republicans to pile-on hundreds of billions in tax cuts to the stimulus package (over 40% of the total package passed). While tax cuts can be beneficial when used in a specific and targeted manner, what our economy needed, and still needs more of, is simply the money to fund major public works projects which will put large numbers of people to work for more than one summer. The timidity and narrowness of scope of the stimulus, if it is undone and/or ineffectual in-toto, will be the driving factor behind its lack of producing jobs.
democracyforall
I agree that their are roadblocks, I disagree that only one party has them. Nancy Pelosi is the worst obstructionist I've ever seen. She has held back every Congressman, every President and every American.
We need healthcare reform, real cost cutting. We need insurance reform, regulation that makes sense. I just don't see the Democrats taking the right approach, one that won't create a disastrous upheaval.
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neverlate
Obama takes his direction from the SEIU, so the answer is obvious.
progressiveaggressive
President Obama takes direction from cleaning ladies and waiters?
Yah, all those undocumented nannies are a force to be reckoned with.
The political power of dishwashers is scary indeed.
The Windex lobby, the new terror of small minds.
neverlate
See campaign contributions - see who has most visits to white house since Obama's inauguration - see speech in which he states he consults SEIU before doing anything on his domestic agenda - see SEIU thugs showing up to demonstrations and beating people up.
Its all documented.
neverlate
Obama was elected, not because the electorate suddenly turned liberal, he was elected because he came off as a pragmatic problem solver. The Democrats don't seem to get that, and, as a conservative, I hope they stay blinded by their ideology and Obama continues to have the SEIU over for tea.
periscope
You are reliable in one respect. You're always wrong. Which is typical of Republicans, who vote against their self-interest no matter how often or how bad it hurts.
And while you're entitled to damage yourself if you so wish by supporting the Republican Party, it's the harm they do to others that is unforgivable.
neverlate
Only 20% of respondents identify themselves as Liberals. The rest are moderate to conservative. You guys are the minority everywhere except the blogs!
mcmchugh99
Obama was most certainly NOT elected as a moderate, "problem solver" but as a candidate of change after 30 years of conservatism. This is a reform cycle in America and the Democrats need a popular reform agenda, not to act like Clinton, the DLC and a Lite version of the Republicans.
They just lost a couple of dud candidates in Virginia and New Jersey who were definitely not about change and reform--Corzine was more a Clinton-type democrat with close ties to Wall Street, while Deeds was just a zero.
That's not what the public wants, and those two got beaten by two very weak Republican candidates, while about half the Democrats stayed home. They same thing will happen to people like Lieberman in the future.
The Dems need to appeal to their base and offer a clear alternative to the conservatives, or their voters will not turn out in off-year elections.
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NewyorkerR
I agree
slmpirate
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JTR55408
It's interesting and unfortunate that the first-term Democratic representative quoted in the article made it sound as though Democrats had to pull the vertiable 'rabbit' out of their collective hats in order to stave-off impatient progressive voters. I don't believe that to be the case at all. What Democrats, or any politician for that matter, must do to retain their seat is to do more than just give the appearance of 'working hard in Washington.' They must first at LEAST attempt to deliver on any one of the many promises made during the election. While it's true that the more promises they are able to deliver on the more chances they will have for re-election, voters are willing to give a politician a bit of slack for not delivering on every singly campaign promise if they at least appear to be making a geniune, sincere effort to do the right thing. Second, Democrats, or again anyone, must present and effectively communicate a unified message. If anything will spell doom for the health care reform that is sluggishly working its way through Congress it will be the varied and often conflicting messages coming from within the Democratic Party. While Republican opposition in the U.S. Senate might be a bit of a thorn in the Dems side, it's not enough, no matter how you slice it, to do anything more than slow what could and should be the inevitable passage of some kind of health care reform legislation.
And Third, Democrats, and any politician for that matter, must stay true to their core principles, through the good times AND the bad. The surest sign of weakest in a person, any person, is when their principles and integrity begin to waver at the first sign of resistance or difficulty. Even worse is when one is willing to set-aside those core principles and accept, embrace and actively promote a watered-down, tepid, politically-correct (read that as being equal to politically naive) agenda which attempts (and catastrophically fails) to mollify as many disparate individuals and groups as possible. Such a move is not smart politics. It's not smart anything. What it is is a clear indication of a lack of will and resolve, a lack of sincere belief in what you say that you believe in, and a lack of any independent thought save for that which is fed to you by either your handlers, the nearest lobbyists or interest group, or worse, both.
If Democrats should take from and learn anything from this year's election returns it should be that the American voter is a truly fickle individual. They will forgive much as long as earnest effort is obvious. They will support much as long as they are convinced that the politicians actually believe-in the policies and programs they are pushing. And they will vote for those who do their best, fight the hardest, maintain their honesty and integrity, and show them, SOMEHOW, that the voters, not special interests, are their key and core concern.
mrmoose
A blonde finds herself in serious trouble. Her business has gone bust and she's in dire financial straits. She's desperate so she decides to ask God for help.
She begins to pray.. "God, please help me. I've lost my business and if I don't get some money, I'm going to lose my house as well. Please let me win the lottery."
Lottery night comes, and somebody else wins.
She again prays... "God, please let me win the lottery! I've lost my business, my house and I'm going to lose my car as well."
Lottery night comes and she still has no luck.
Once again, she prays... "My God, why have you forsaken me? I've lost my business, my house, and my car.. My children are starving. I don't often ask you for help, and I've always been a good servant to you.
PLEASE let me win the lottery just this one time so I can get my life back in order."
Suddenly there is a blinding flash of light as the heavens open. The blonde is overwhelmed by the Voice of God, Himself....
"Sweetheart, work with me on this...... Buy a ticket."
NewyorkerR
LMAO. good one
TWBBug
By God they better give us true healthcare/insurance reform; they better break up the monopolies. They better stand up to the banks; reinstate Glass-Steagall and throw the speculators out. They speculate with tax paper backed money and when they lose, WE PAY. They better too at least approve a bill that would give gays the same benefits as married couples have because they do contribute to this society and try to raise upright children the way we all do AND, end don't ask-don't tell. Last by surely not least, they better do some bigtime campaign finance reform...these are all just the start of what we want.
If they think for a minute they are going to talk us past all this they better think again. They put us all out of work and now all we have to do is keep up with what they are doing and, WE ARE.
HAVEN'T THEY FIGURED OUT WE ARE ONTO THE CORRUPTION IN WASHINGTON, IN CONGRESS? DON'T THEY KNOW, WE KNOW THE BANKS HAVE OFFICES IN THE ADMINISTRATION, IN FINANCE...DON'T THEY KNOW WE KNOW THE FOXES ARE GUARDING THE HENHOUSE...WE DO!
periscope
Government of the people, for the people and by the people is still an ideal, not a reality.
The Republicans are hopeless and never have believed in or served the people. The Democrats are schizophrenic at best, and cowardly at worst. They are afraid to be labeled "Socialists" or some other crap phrase Fake News and the Republicans will scream against them.
It's time the Democrats returned to the New Deal of FDR and re-regulated banks and brokerage firms, appropriately taxed the rich instead of giving them more tax breaks, and came up with a robust public healthcare plan that could eventually replace the bloodsucking, profiteering private insurance companies we now have monopolizing America's right to healthcare.
Obama is smart enough to know this and so is the Democratic leadership. They just need the will or perhaps a good kick in their collective asses!
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ThinkAgain
They voted for a rock star and 'the other guy'. If you're on the on the wrong road you gotta get off but that doesn't mean just any other road is the right one.
sonofloud
The voters did their job.....they gave the democrats the white house, 60 seats in the senate, and and even greater majority in the house.
It is not their fault that Obama is too much of a coward to lead.
goedel
Amazing! What is called a "middle of the way agenda": continuation of Bush violations of the Constitution (signing statements, rendition, state-secrecy pleas, wars in Central Asia, giveaways to the financial industry, no regulation of the big banks and insurance cos., no single-payer, no public option). This is "middle of the way"?
manticore1223
Generally speaking, yes. Middle of the way has a different connotation here. If you are looking for far left, go there. You assume people are ranking the issues you name in the same severity of political spectra as you. Its all relative.
ThinkAgain
"The defining characteristics of design by committee are needless complexity, internal inconsistency, logical flaws, banality, and the lack of a unifying vision".
All they are managers, no leader.
friendlyskies
Maybe the Dems stayed home because they were boring local races with corrupt, lackluster candidates, and the Republicans are all jacked up on hate right now?
Anyway, just speaking for myself, as a liberal with no insurance, the health care reform thing is really depressing, and makes me not want to vote. I work in Costa Rica, which has a great model for health care - universal coverage that's OK, with the option of better private care for people who can pay for it, either with private insurance or out-of-pocket supplemental care. I'm a freelancer, and haven't had health care in the USA in years. If they go with the plan where everyone has to buy health care or get a huge fine, I'll be fined. I won't be able to afford to pay the fine, so I'll go to jail, I guess. Then you all will have to pay for my health care in jail, while losing my contributions to the GNP.
Honestly, I hate the Republican racism, sexism, homophobia, and Christian superstitious freakiness, but if the choice is between going to jail because I can't afford health care, or just not having it, I'll obviously take the latter. I don't know if I'd vote Republican, but I would stay home. Or flee the country.
And the lack of DNC support of the gay marriage propositions was also depressing. Gay people supported Obama et al firmly, and not a peep about the current apartheid system. Are you all superstitious, too, DNC? Or just afraid of Christian voters? Sigh. Your gay voters are more reliable. And apartheid is wrong.
Anyway, I think Obama and Clinton's foreign policy is outstanding, the real and beneficial changes they've made vis a vis Latin America's Hugo problem are nothing short of amazing. The way Hillary handled the Honduras situation was flawless. I'd probably vote for them to avoid the clumsy militarism the Republicans waste our blood and treasure on. But the Democrats apparently want me to go to jail for being a less-than-successful private businessperson.
Catch 22.
nb-moe
Okay.....Dem's have to decide whether or not to appeal to the Left Liberlas or the Centerists.....WTF!
The fact that have to decide on "What's the best thing to say" rather then what they actually believe in is fundamantally wrong. I would want Dem leader with some balls that actually campaigns in there beliefs rather then what they think the population wants to hear!
"We have to do something, but it has to be right,"......in other words......we have to figure what lies to the mass's for us get power.
I always thought I'd be a Democrat if I was American....not too sure anymore.......
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