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Female Cop Did Not Shoot Hasan
Cherie Cullen / DOD via Getty Images
Do we still get to call her a hero? Contrary to earlier reports, it now appears that Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley did not shoot the alleged Fort Hood killer, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. In an interview with The New York Times, another cop, Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, says that he brought down the gunman after Munley was wounded. A witness confirms his account. “Once I came around the front of the building, I caught his attention again, started shouting commands, and then he opened up a second time,” Sergeant Todd said. “And that’s when I returned fire, neutralized him and secured him.”
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They're both hero's.
Equally so I might add.
I do not think that you can say equally so. He saved her life,he kept her and any one else from further getting shot.He is the ultimite heroand should be spoken of as such.
So Shamone, if you charge the guy with the gun, get there first, but don't drop him you are less of a hero than the cop who gets there second while the killer is distracted and fumbling with his gun?
Both acts took some heavy gonads. One cop was luckier than the other. Thank goodness for both of them.
She is no hero.. Sat back and took the credit .
Everyone in that room was a hero (excepting, of course, the scurvy murdering traitorous dog Hasan).
She didn't take credit for it, that's the media's fault. She told them HER part of the story and did not lie. It was a chaotic situation with many witnesses, the media should have waited for the full story. She stood between the gunman and the unarmed military personnel and shot at him then he turned around and shot her down. She was on the ground and probably assumed she got him.
Additionally Sgt. Mark Todd asked for his name not to be released. The media only likes stories with pictures and video. They had pictures and videos of Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley so they ran with it.
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On Wednesday, Sergeant Todd's wife, Lisa, said her husband had asked the Army to protect his identity immediately after the shootings.
Asked in the interview whether he had asked to be kept out of the limelight, Sergeant Todd said: "Initially I wanted to stay pretty low key. This is a tragic event. I don't think the attention should be on me. The medics are the ones who saved everybody's life."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13hood.html?_r=1
Plant, you mean the Terrorist Hasan, the Muslim Extremist! This was the first Terroist attack since 9/11 and everyone is afraid to say it like it is.
Hi Diamond:
I agree with you that Hasan is a terrorist.
But Hasan is also something even worse then a terrorist. Hasan murdered his own colleagues and army buddies----he is a traitor.
Plantagenet, the only thing you've ever said that I can agree with.:)
Just so you know dg, because you don't know everything as you like to believe, John Muhammad, who was just executed in the state of VA was tried on terrorism charges in 2002 for the killing of ten people.
I don't think she sat back and took the credit, if she fired off her gun and then got hit she was on the ground and he had to stop to reload so in a way she enabled the 2nd cop to get him so both are still heroes in my book. While she was on the ground she couldn't tell if he was hit or not and may have thought she hit him. Anyone willing to take a bullet to save others is a hero. She got shot, the other cop didn't and that doesn't make either one less a hero.
Another thing, DG, Muhammad shot civilians, supposedly the description of a terrorist, you know, like the US is doing with drones in Pakistan.
johnnieg - obviously you are out of the loop. She didn't sit back and take credit; she was in the hospital recovering from gunshot wounds serious enough to have taken her life.
It's good to get the record straight so he gets credit where credit is due but her actions don't sound any less heroic.
When the plane went down in the Hudson River who got and is getting all of the credit,Sully or his co-pilot?
God was his co-pilot.
;-)
Don't forget the flight attendants.
I don't think it's a comparable situation. There's only one plane, only one can be in command. That was clearly Sully, not the co-pilot.
..first I want to know how many bullets were in Hasan magazine..and did he reload and re-fire? ..
second.. could this be an anxious act as in result of friendly fire.. how many military personnel fired the ARMS..doing the incident?
..and how you gonna say she didn't bring hasan down?..this type of thing SHOULD be FACTUAL not a hearsay..do the dang test .. if not every body at the incident will want to take credit for bring ing Hasan down..trying to be a hero..
Since all military bases in the United States are "gun free zones" nobody other than the Military Police carries firearms. That makes for basically what is a "target rich enviroment" for any gunman.
My reasoning is that if the U.S. Military serviceman and servicewomen were required to carry a minimum sidearm this would not have happened. These people are all well trained in the use of firearms, are trained to defend this country against all invaders, why then should they be required to be unarmed while on base?
Maybe they are required to be unarmed so that shootings like this don't happen more often.
Let's not forget, there are a lot of men and women roaming US military installations with post-traumatic stress disorder. If there weren't, Hassan woundn't have had a job.
Maybe they are required to be unarmed so that shootings like this don't happen more often
Oh I dont know about that, who do you think would open fire on a group of armed individuals knowing what the end result would be?
How many gun stores get robbed? Gun shows? Or any other business where the majority of the people are armed?
@ Redrik: I think someone looking to commit suicide and take a few people out with them in the process would open fire on a group of armed individuals.
Contrary to what you are implying the only military people present who were armed were the cops and Hasan. Soldiers don't walk around the base with guns (which of course might be easily assumed by the general public, in fact investigators are wondering how Hasan got on the based with weapons). Therefore is zero possibility of friendly fire being involved.
We tend to call anybody who does their job a hero, NO THEY ARE NOT HEROS! They were people who wanted to live, I've been in the military, I 've been in both wars, yes I can talk on it. We call police officers who run towards shots and fireman who run to fires heros, well that's kind of what we pay them to do. We need to stop patting people on the back just for doing the right thing.
@ vboone...good point..
vboone
Well you hit the nail on the head . You are so right.Being a veteran, I knew what might happen to me..
Today when a policemen gets shot the media asks for donations . Why?The officer knew that might happen when he took the job He gets salery ,good pension,etc .Recently an officer got killed and $ 25,000 was raised for him. If you don't want to risk your life take another job .My friend gets killed , ordinary worker,and no one sent donations to his family . .
You were right to set the record straight .In baseball the annoucer says ," The pitcher faces the bases loaded, no out, What pressure he is under " My friend answered Pressure?Pressure is being in a fox hole with the enermy dropping rounds all around you."
Agreed. Too many times the word 'hero' is thrown out and it diminishes those that truly are heroes. A true hero goes above and beyond the call. Not just performing the necessary duties of their job.
Lest we forget Jessica Lynch.
You know what, if a person stands between me and a bullet or pulls me out of a burning building, I'm going to go right ahead and give them a pat on the back even though they're "just doing their job." Because if I'm willing to let other people die in order to save myself, the least I can do is acknowledge their sacrifice.
Thank you! That is exactly what I was thinking.
It is not everyday that a police officer has to fire his or her weapon and certainly not in an assault like the one at fort hood.
They meet the very definition: "A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life" (answers.com)
Well sir, good on you for being a veteran but in spite of what you say you too are a hero! I would not be involved in any occupation that involves being shot at because I am not taht brave. You are good American and I salute you whether you like it or not!
Both Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley and Senior Sgt. Mark Todd saved many lives by being VERY good at their jobs. It's the media that makes heroes of people. Every military person that saved lives that day has repeated time and time again to the press: I was just doing my job. That made me respect them ever more.
According to the article, Sgt. Mark Todd initially asked NOT to have his name released. He has been in the military and then military police for over 25 years and never had to shoot anybody. He was probably shaken up and didn't want the media fire storm. Apparently Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley took a shot at the killer, the killer turned around and shot her down. He went to re-load his gun to make the final kill, Sgt. Mark Todd came around the corner and shot down the killer, and kicked his gun away. Perfect team work.
crymeariver
You are correct .However ,Sgt. Mark Todd DID save her life! If we need a hero[and I agree with vboone about hero's] then it IS Sgt. Mark Todd
She confronted him, shielded others, was shot four times and was lying there being a target while he reloaded, giving Todd time to shoot him. So which action was more heroic? Which role would you rather have taken?
crymeariver: Thank you for clarifying the event in this post and the one above. It doesn't matter how Hasan was taken down, but that he was taken down.
Well he also might have been a little nervous in case shooting a Muslim terrorist put a price on his head. Just speculating.
They came a runnin, not knowing what they would find. Good people.
cheen
1. undertaken - definition of undertaken by the Free Online ...
v. un·der·took (-t k ), un·der·tak·en, un·der·tak·ing, un·der·takes. v.tr. 1. To take upon oneself; decide or agree to do: undertake a task. ...
Mr Webster Before you make a criticism check the dictionary you idiot!
You are the idiot, you used the wrong tense, go back to gradeschool. It was truly laughable. Aren't you trying to redeem yourself on the wrong thread? Must have gotten to you. HA ! It should have.
"qualified for this undertaken" HAHAHAHA
qualified for this undertaking is correct. I don't need to check the dictionary, I am educated.
They are both heroes. She ran into the situation and opened fire on the suspect before being shot twice. Todd, uninjured managed to continue firing and took the shooter down. God bless both of them for running into a situation most people run FROM.
cheen You are a big A-- H---.
OK as long as I am at it, your use of the word ballistic--the science is ballistics, and ballistic is not the singular as in report. You are the first person on here that I have corrected in regard to grammar, so you are special.
and actually I did not correct you before, I just said your line was laughable, you corrected me, but turned out you were incorrect, you asked for it toyota.
diamondgirl
"you mean the Terrorist Hasan, the Muslim Extremist! "
You are right on target .Ppeople are affraid to say it . That is what's wrong .
The faster we slap labels on people, the sooner America will be safe. This is the Nominal Fallacy, the belief that putting a label on something explains something about it.
It does not matter who shot Hasan.The important fact is that
these killing happened because George W.Bush lied to the USA citizens.
George W.Bush had a personal vendetta with Saddan Hussain.And decided to go to " war " to capture Saddan Hussain,because George H.Bush ( his father )
made a mistake and left Saddan Hussain alive in 1991,et cetera.
The USA Justice Deparment needs to prosecute Bush/
Cheney.
Because Bush/Cheney the USA is going down the toilet,
when the leaders are crooks or criminals like tricky dicky
Richard Nixon.They are supposed to be prosecuted instead of
pardoned.
We need to stop lobbysts from corrupting the USA
politicians.The lobbysts were the ones that put George W.Bush in power.
George W.Bush told the USA banks.In exchange for
your campaign contributions ( bribes ) I allow you to do whatever you want to the tax payers.Go ahead and screw
the taxpayers.That is what the banks did.They screwed every
body ( because greed ) and now we ended up with a stinky
economy,a stinky health Care and stinky crooked republican
senators.
Funny, I did not see George W Bush mentioned in any news articles related to this story.
Oh, nevermind, George will be blamed for everything for the next 20 years (by all the liberal hand wringing limp wristed whinners)
The truth will come out when they do the ballistic report. But who cares they both put their life on the line.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with winston
They're both heroes and ballistics will prove who's bullets hit the muslim terrorist. The FBI and army really dropped the ball on this one. They owe those victims big time.
They both were admirable individuals. They each rushed into a situation that many would run from. But doesn't this original story remind us of the female soldier rescued from the Afghanistan invasion. First reports had her performing heroic firefights. I think the media will often just print whatever they think will sell papers, and disregard the facts. Please note that I admire anyone wearing a badge or the military uniform.
Yeah, heaven forbid that a WOMAN bring the perp down, right?
Thank you.
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