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Yeah, those sleepsofas are a real come on.

Turning this into a "liberal" issue is ridiculous and forced.

Where are the liberals who think Letterman is a sleazebag?

Face it...liberals dig it that Letterman would hire pretty young female staffers and then have them to a private meeting with the "boss" in the "secret bedroom."

We have all seen pictures of the secret bedroom, and you are dreaming. And with all the great hotels in NY, you have no idea what women want, and what we get. HAHAHA

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I am a registered Democrat (not sure if that makes me a "liberal") and I think Letterman is a sleazebag.

Always a sign of ignorance to try to use some sleazo situation as a political generality.

I'll defend Liberals on this one.

There are just as many sleezy douche bags among so-called " Conservatives. "

Plantagenet: liberals dig it that Letterman would hire pretty young female staffers and then have them to a private meeting with the "boss" in the "secret bedroom."

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PRETTY young females? Are you blind? They are average to slightly unattractive. Exactly like his wife. Had he wanted hot and beautiful, he would have dated out of the office. You just hate him because he made fun of your precious, precious goddess Sarah Palin. Guess what EVERYONE makes fun of your goddess because she is a freaking joke.

Hi Kansas:

You are an honest person. You win the Diogenes Award for today. Hip Hip Hooray for your honesty.

Sadly, the rest of the liberals are still hypocritically defending Letterman's sleazy behavior or trying to pretend it didn't happen..

I'm sure ALL celebs have beds in their dressing rooms.

Plantagenet

I will avoid reading your posts in the future. You are an intelligent person wasting your breath on inane arguments. That is a crime worse than being stupid.

I think women in power (or seeking power) like Sarah Palin do need to be able to tolerate being objects of ridicule. I agree that calling her a "s___" seems a bit below the belt. It's like making fun of George Bush's penis or something. Although come to think of it, people did make fun of Bill Clinton's penis but he sort of "inserted" it (pun intended) into public life so I guess it's fair game.

I think what Kathy Griffin was getting at is that Sarah Palin allowed herself to be manipulated by the White Male Supremacist crowd in the Repub party because she wanted fame and fortune and this is a type of "selling out" the way a "s___" does with sex. She put on blinders to some things that as a woman one would have thought she would be more sensitive to. She seemed to have absolutely no understanding of women's history and what patriarchy is, and how she was being used to further patriarchy as a kind of figurehead. They didn't want her for her brains, her knowledge (and she was clearly poorly educated), or even any of her experience. They wanted her for her looks and the appeal she held for conservative women who are just learning about feminism and power dynamics.

@kansas

I get it that you don't like Palin and I was a huge Hillary fan. But, here comes that big but: it doesn't matter what Griffin didn't like about Palin. Women must adopt a zero tolerance to sexism in the same manner that blacks have adopted to racism.
We can't allow our public figures to call blacks the n word even IF they don't like a particular black candidate or person. The exact same must go for women.
Dave referred to Palin's manner of dress. He also allowed us to be bigots. Flight attendants are not to be called sluts anymore than Palin based upon their manner of dress. Women are not allowed to discuss gender as a weakness. We saw that with Hillary. So blaming either Palin or Hillary for not addressing patriarchy is like asking them both to commit political suicide. Remember how Hillary made a public joke out of Obama's speechwriter's sexism? I hated that she did that, but I can't expect her to do what she is unable to do when men control the wheels of all things power.

Obama did nothing to control sexism and neither did Palin fire down racism.
At least McCain tried to hit back at some racism that came out and he tried to talk about the sexism (c word tee shirts Obots wore to express hate of Palin) when it came to Palin, but that was self-serving. McCain laughed at the b word for Hillary, but so do many female so-called liberal writers.
Women must respect themselves enough to understand that sexism is NEVER an appropriate thing to use to hurt women. We need the same zero tolerance applied to racist talk in the public sphere!

sallyma

I agree with you if I hear you correctly in that you are saying that name-calling like "s____" "b_____" "c_____" and "n_____" are unacceptable. I think these words do carry sexist and racist undertones and are certainly often intended as a type of violent speech (even though I know sometimes people try to take these epithets back in a type of empowerment (such as when African-Americans call each other "n_____")). I also think they are very inarticulate and lazy descriptors. If Kathy Griffin is trying to say that Sarah Palin is a sell-out and ignorant of women's history there are a million funnier and more effective ways to do that than to call her a "s___".

The one thing I would say about Obama is that his not trying to control sexism or racism is consistent with his non-confrontational, low-drama style. It is the same as how he did not get into it with Rep. Wilson when he said "you lie." Obama just said "no, I am not" or something similar and moved on. This non-controlling style is actually better I think at defusing the power of the inappropriate outburst (and the same with sexist/racist epithets). You can't control others but you can control how you react to them.

Or, actually I should have said " you can't control others, and you can't control your internal reaction (which is likely anger if you are called a name), but you can control your response (as Obama did)"

"The one thing I would say about Obama is that his not trying to control sexism or racism is consistent with his non-confrontational, low-drama style."

Actually, Obama interrupted McCain during the one of their debates when McCain brought up the tee shirts. Obama didn't even let McCain bring up the C word tee shirt worn by Obots, and instead confronted, yes very directly confronted McCain on the Kill Him stuff that latter turned out to be complete fiction as per secret service reports. It was classic political tactic to refuse to let the words get out of the person's mouth when the point being made will hurt you.
Obama is very confrontational when he wants to be. He just has others do if for him, sort of like a mob boss. He never cried racism, but had his staff do that during the primaries.
And he could have easily done what McCain did re racism, e.g. not even allow an audience member to use BO's middle name, and say: please my staff and media no sexist talk. But instead he kept Favreau on after the fact of sexist behavior.
We tend to forgive those we like more than those we don't but I have come to the point of no forgiveness of sexism even and especially from those I once trusted.

ditto to that! Women constantly swallow unfair workplace practices in order to secure a good reference or not burn bridges or just keep our damn jobs.

And dozens of other females employees were too stupid to see what she saw, in fact, they report just the opposite. Is she lapping up her 15 minutes without tarnishing herself? Maybe. Is there anyone who wishes to report on whether or not she engaged in sexual behavior in the workplace. We'll see.

but what to make of this?

"Did he pay me enough extra attention that it was noted by another writer? Yes."

i'm just asking.

i also wonder why she brings this up now (cough)opportunist(cough) in the frame she presents it (sex), if she is only concerned about "more women in the writer's room" - and she did nothing to stop or complain as to what she says she "believed" to be going on under everyone's nose.

notice she also kept quiet...until now. why? she became successful away from dave and had quite a few years to bring this up. why now (cough)attention seeker(cough) now?

sorry, dave wasn't married and this woman makes it appear as if she was jealous - after all, he did give her "extra attention" but didn't hit on her.

i'm just saying that we could have heard from her a long time ago, and she might have made a real impact in getting more women in the writer's room. if that is what she wanted, i mean. but by her article it seems that "more women in the writer's room" might be more opportunity to be "hit on" by someone like dave or "other high-level male employees."

i'm not sure what she is more upset over - not being hit on by dave, not enough women in the writer's room, not speaking up when she herself says she decided not to, not speaking up for years, or the belief in the rumors that dave was having sex with other women on his staff and they got to be his "favorites" of which she can't prove.

seems to me dave respected her, liked her work, never hit on her, and told her she was welcome back to his staff anytime. uh, where do i send my resume?

Don't confuse the lynch mob with the facts.

It was a girl fight pricklypear, and I have no doubt I could not work with you for one minute. Yes, it would be a hostile environment with you there. Doesn't always take a man's affair. Sorry.

Or better yet, you quit first because you would be so horrified and judgmental about any normal activity that you would graciously leave and go work for the parish house where you might be right at home unless oh dear you fell for the priest. Quell horror.