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House Votes Tonight on Health Care
President Obama and his fellow Democratic leaders made a strong push for the House's health-care bill among undecided Democrats today as the party worked hard to overcome controversies over abortion and illegal immigration. With the Republicans voting unanimously against the legislation, Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi can only afford to lose 40 votes from their caucus, and they, along with Rahm Emanuel, Kathleen Sebelius and Arne Duncan, spent Friday making a case for the bill with fence-sitting Democrats. They had to negotiate with two dozen anti-abortion Democrats over the question of federal funds paying for abortions through government-sponsored insurance plans created by the bill. The group reached a compromise that will allow the pro-life Democrats to put their amendment to a vote of the full House—a risky solution that could backfire if some Democrats refuse to accept the outcome. At the same time, Hispanic Democrats sought assurance that the bill would continue to allow undocumented workers to buy insurance from the marketplaces created by the bill. The vote is scheduled to occur this evening, but there is a possibility it will be delayed.
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So Obama did lie when he claimed that illegal aliens wouldn't be covered by this bill.
I hope so. If undocumented workers are allowed to BUY into a health plan they would no longer get a free ride at our emergency rooms. Makes sense to me...
Obama blatantly lied to the entire nation when he convened a joint session of Congress and promised that illegal aliens wouldn't be covered.
Its clear now that Obama is a deceiver, fraud, swindler, con artist, cheat, fraudster, storyteller, fibber, prevaricator, deceiver, fabricator, etc.
Yup. Obama is definitely a liar.
Yup, Plant is definitely a liar.
Plant hates him/herself. That's why she/he hates Obama.
Plantkin, YOU LIE !
Oak, Obama is a liar, all the dems lie, and I am sure we will subsidise the undocumented workers through tax hikes.
I'm shocked that people wouldn't want them insured
diamondgirl, give it up.
Hey Oakbutt, You give it up, you loser. We dont do Socialism in America...
Go get a job and stop looking for hand outs ..
Why not make it illegal to sell food to illegals? They would starve to death, thus no longer needing health care. Only problem is that Repugs would no longer have a scapegoat.
PLANTAGENET's comments that start "So Obama did lie when he claimed that illegal..." and "Obama blatantly lied to the entire nation..." use Rules # 1 & 3 of THE 5 RULES OF PROPAGANDA --
1) The rule of orchestration: endlessly repeating the same messages in different variations and combinations.
3) The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
The other 3 RULES OF PROPAGANDA ARE--
2) The rule of simplification: reducing all data to a simple confrontation between 'Good and Bad', 'Friend and Foe'.
4) The rule of transfusion: manipulating the consensus values of the target audience for one's own ends.
5) The rule of unanimity: presenting one's viewpoint as if it were the unanimous opinion of all right-thinking people: draining the doubting individual into agreement by the appeal of star-performers, by social pressure, and by 'psychological contagion'.
In Switzerland you go to an organization that with euthanize people. If health care reform is not passed soon and implemented expeditiously, the least the congressional Republicans together with the health insurance companies, can provide a similar system in the US. People who are suffering and cannot afford or cannot get insured do to preexisting conditions will then have a way out with dignity. Besides, it will increase profits for health care insurers who will no longer have to pay claims for the terminally ill and for those whose treatments cost too much be profitable.
squareyellow Im not being funny, but I think terminally,ill, suffering people, should have the right to go in peace, and with dignity and without pain,whenever they chooseThats another issue, we need reform, and fair prices for everyone,Good luck.
hey cubic zirconiagirl - that's some nasty "mouth" you've got there. you rightwingers are a little hot under the collar today, chill out.
Said from the horse's mouth:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Democratic leaders just emerged from a closed-door caucus meeting that included a personal appearance by President Obama confident the House will pass a sweeping health care reform bill today.
Addressing reporters outside the caucus meeting room just now, Pelosi looked back briefly before announcing what seemed like a deal to pass reform.
It was three years ago today that Pelosi led Democrats to retake the House after more than a decade of Republican control. She said the date was "appropriate."
"It is appropriate that the promise we made [to voters] ... will be manifest today," she said. "We will pass health care reform."- TPM
http://bit.ly/2TxJAE
Although I'm not a fan of Pelosi, I do have to hand it to her if this does pass.
I sense Pelosi has this under control.
It will never pass the Senate, you losers
wishful thinking on your part, d-girl.
I foresee some violent times ahead.
I'm going to stay inside until spring.
Ha!
Hiding will not save you! Our master plan is nearly complete!
We will find you and offer annual check-ups! You will not be able to escape!
Those who resist will be given mandatory dental care.
Once all registered Republicans have been given their high-colonics (to free up their cognitive processes) we will move on to the financial system.
Your rates will come down and become more predictable whether you like it or not.
Hilarious!
maspring - I hope everything you said works just the way you said it; wouldn't that be wonderful?
Ahhhhhh, Republicans abandoning constipation, yes they can!, for Socialist-mandated regularity. That will definetely clear up their thought passageways. Wether they like it or not!
I'm not a Republican.
The violent times I see are GOP loonies thinking their rights are being taken away.
beautiful day and I'm watching C-SPAN.
The Republicans looked ridiculous as they tried to shout down democratic congresswomen revising and extending their comments. It took forever for these representatives to give support to the bill because it will increase access for things like cancer screening and protect from bankruptcy.
The the democrats allowed one republican after another to get up and bloviate on the House floor against the "job killer" bill; including Michelle Bachman, who said that the bill will "destroy our economic economy". It took less than half the time and allowed the debate to move forward and on to other business.
It seems like only the Democrats are trying to promote civility and expediency in carrying out the people's business...
Were you born yesterday? The bloviation is just for show. The leaders are behind closed doors selling out, buying votes, spending your money on crap that has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare.
What exactly were these people doing in those months that the Senate was trying to get their bill out of committee? Couldn't they have worked this stuff out? Now they're wheeling and dealing last minute nonsense just to meet another artificial deadline which produces yet again another bill that isn't the final bill.
These are the people you want running healthcare?
Have you forgotten that there were 3 separate health care reform bills passed out of 3 different House committees?
None of them were identical, and now the differences have to be worked out. Trying to get enough votes seems to be forcing some changes too.
By the way, our government already does a fine job of running 60% of our nation's health insurance - Medicare, Medicaid, and VA health care. I would be happy to have the government run all of it.
Only Republicans seem determined to protect the profits of the insurance industry.
R2D2 The Republicans are trying to protect the 85% of people who are against this fradulent health care bill.
Nice lies, Winnie.
They're supposed to be paying for this with 300 billion of dollars of Medicare waste and fraud. That's what you call a fine program? It's scheduled to go bankrupt in 6 years (according to everyone). That's what you call a fine program? You don't give a crap about the financial state of the country. What a selfish irresponsible citizen you are!
I see the Republicans are united and the Democrats divided on this legislation.
If this were a GOP-controlled Congress and the reverse situation were at hand -- unanimous Democrat opposition and only 80% GOP support -- the media would be calling it "divisive and polarizing".
Now that the old, elite forms of media are wasting down to nothing, many people have said we need to find a new term because "Mainstream Media" clearly no longer applies. I think "Teabagging Media" is apt. After all, we saw how the WH press corps jumped to their feet when Obama entered the room, after remaining seated every time Bush came. And we know given their 96% Dem loyalty that it would have been more appropriate for them to have fallen to their knees and opened their mouths. They're "Teabaggers For Obama".
I see the Republicans as monolithic and the Democrats fractious on this legislation.
It's remarkable that the Republicans aren't more highly criticized in the media for being in such "lock-step-mentality," or is it just the fear that the Special Interests will withdraw their monetary support and the right-wing loonies will designate any Republican who has a conscience (like Ms. Scozzafava), as a "RINO?"
The Republican Party continues to be a national failure, fraud and disgrace.
don't forget no and beholding to wasp's and not in favor of any women's issues and i could go on and on
Yes, perrycindy, it's very telling that those rightwing freaks quote WASPs like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and never say that Mao Tse-Tung is one of their favorite philosophers and Hugo Chavez one of their most admired foreign leaders!
Wait a minute ... How were Mao and Chavez on "women's issues"? ... Nevermind. Forget I asked. Go back to watching CNN where the quotes about rightwing freak leader Limbaugh are real.
Republicans have been defined by the media as The Party Of No. The only news here would be some GOPer going rogue and actually voting for the good of America.
Pik - If even one went rogue, they'd be lucky to live to see Sunday morning intact. Knowing what publicity whores everyone in Congress is though, I wouldn't bet that a Republican wouldn't vote for the bill. They'd be the toast of all of the chat shows.
periscope, you didn't get the memo?!?!
The Teabagging Media has been reporting all year on the "Civil War in the GOP" -- where have you been?.
Repeat after them: "The extremists led by Limbaugh/Malkin/Beck are attacking the GOP moderates! Party leaders like Steele/Cantor/Gingrich are the targets! The GOP is simultaneously exploding and imploding!"
Get with the program before you lose your commenting privileges!
I recommend you watch several hours of MSNBC/CNN/anybroadcastnews and read the front pages of the NY Times/Wash Post/otherTeabaggingpapers (where editorials are on the front pages) before returning.
MSNBC and CNN have pointed out when Fake News, Flush and assorted other media misfits attack Republicans. They also report the "apologies" made by these Republican politicians as they cowardly genuflect to the right-wing media-whores as their party swirls around the toilet bowl.
What the Republican Party needs is another Flush!
RomeoHotel - Fantastic! You are my new favorite commentator. Keep up the good work. Don't let these chumps get away with any of their garbage. Did you read what they had to say about the act of Islamic terrorism that was committed at Fort Hood, trying to keep it distanced from religion. Give me a freaking break! These lefty PC liberals are nutcases, and normally I'd be fine with that, except that now I'm afraid it's going to get us killed. May God bless this great nation.
legislation is like making sausage the process is nasty but the outcome isnt bad
the public option has been significantly watered down, so much so that the money has to come from premiums collected and not from taxpayers at large.
this is a huge compromise that was made possible because of a vigorous national debate, so instead of hating on your opposition work with them, there were legitimate concerns with the original public option and they were addressed.
good job america!
This is how the vote to debate the Healthcare Bill went:
242 Dems for (no GOPers)
177 Reps plus 15 Dems against
http://bit.ly/18K8tw
Hopefully, the plan passes & with the passage of time we can iron out those areas that are weak. Right now, half a loaf is better than none. Any step toward health care for all is a step in the right direction.
I am not a nut. This bill is just wrong for America and is being shoved down our throats to satisfy egos.I am 65 disabled, lost my healthcare and retirement after 37 years, limited income, had to file bankruptcy and have two members of my immediate household with no insurance.
If your 65 years old, why are you not on medicare? Also, after 37 years how come your wonderful health insurance company didn't keep you? Without a public option or medicare and because you are now disabled, there is no private insurance company who would pick you up.
loveyou777, why do you hate the elderly, the disabled, the uninsured, and the poor?!?!
What did you do -- read the legislation?!? Stop that right now!
what to someone reads the whole bill and spills the beans to good Americans
I do have one question. How much will this plan cost the average person? who will not be insured and why?
Oh happy day. The tax and spend liberals are back recklessly throwing money at problems they say we're too dumb to even know we have. I'm sure it'll work better this time though.... why wouldn't it?
I don't think the House was ever the problem as far as passing the bill. it is the congress and i don't think it has any chance of passing there after the two bills are merged. JMTC.
Its just a shame President Obama didn't keep his promise to support gay/women's rights.
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The republicans know that they are liars and losers.Those
are the reasons why this plantagenet is slandering the USA
President.She and the other crooked republicans are also
racists.They can not stand having a black person as a USA
President or a latino woman ( Sonia Sotomayor ) as a Supreme
Court Justice.
This plantagenet and the other paid republicans
( bribed by the stinky USA Health Care Industry ) are against
undocumented individuals.For hundreds of years undocumen-
ted individuals had been the engine of the USA economy.They are the ones that had been doing the work that the crooked
republicans are to chicken shits to do.It is obvious that any
undocumented individual has better morals and guts than any
of those white crooked republican ( bums ) senators.
Who are the ones taking the bribes from the stinky
USA Health Care Industry? The crooked USA republican senators are the ones taking the bribes.
It is time to pass the single payer Public Health
Care Bill as soon as possible.And after it passes this bill needs to be made effective immediately.Otherwise the Health
Care Industry will keep screwing the USA taxpayers.
By the way maspring has the best comment in The
Daily Beast.Congratulations maspring keep it up.
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That was good, octavio, but you need some choruses between the stanzas, like this:
The republicans know that they are liars and losers....
They can not stand having a black person as a USA
President or a latino woman ( Sonia Sotomayor ) as a Supreme
Court Justice.
MMM MMM MMM! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
republicans ( bribed by the stinky USA Health Care Industry )
are against undocumented individuals.For hundreds of years
republicans are to chicken shits to do.It is obvious that any
undocumented individual has better morals and guts than any
of those white crooked republican ( bums ) senators.
MMM MMM MMM! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
Who are the ones taking the bribes from the stinky
USA Health Care Industry? The crooked USA republican
senators are the ones taking the bribes.
MMM MMM MMM! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
It is time to pass the single payer Public Health
Care Bill as soon as possible.And after it passes
the Health Care Industry will keep screwing the USA taxpayers.
MMM MMM MMM! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!!!!!!
The President said the undocumented people were not in the bill did something change and now they are finely going to be taken care of ? I for one think when they cross the border the are now Americans and we need to respect them and help them.
America is known as the land of opportunity but we do have laws.
Demsdisorder - FYI, Narco-terrorists have crossed the border from Mexico and have killed more American citizens in our streets, either through what they sell or direct violence than Al-Qaeda ever has. They're not all hard working dishwashers, busboys or construction workers. Get a clue.
Sorry Demsdisorder, I just read your other posts. I missed the sarcasm.
Alternate chorus:
Down with the
Stinky stinky USA Health Care Industry
Stinky stinky USA Health Care Industry
What is with the use of "stinky" as their insult of choice? I still can't make heads or tales of it. It's like a 3 year old insulting you.
it is obviouos that most of you have no idea what the current bill looks like, do your homework before complaining
"Hispanic Democrats sought assurance that the bill would continue to allow undocumented workers to buy insurance from the marketplaces created by the bill."
Meh guess I owe Carole a apology. The factcheck.org link was outdated. You seem to have been right Carole.
Im feeling good about the House vote tonight. However, when the bill reaches the Senate floor I'm gonna be a lot more nervous.
and you should be, its never going to pass the senate
You haven't gotten anything right since you have been posting here, DG
Hey I got the most important thing to me right; I got a Chris Christie for our Governor in NJ. We kicked @ss and got that Union loving slime ball,tax raising crime enabler, Corzine out on his rich Wall Street butt. Your are the one who hasn't gotten any thing right so far, Obama is still a Socialist, I got that right, he is for Big Government, bail outs, passed a porkulus bill with no jobs out of it, I got that right, the very independents that voted for Obama 1 year ago moved back towards the right.because they dont like the direction he is taking the county in. I am soo sorry you can't see it, because you are blinded by you slobbering love affair with Obama...LOL cb
cbeenthere, be gentle with zirconia, she's off her meds apparently.
She is going easy on me, usually she just cusses me out and lets it go at that.
I must be missing something. why are they rushing this through this weekend?
because Obama is scared shitless that if its not done now it will never get done. He is losing steam, ( the elections last week) and losing this argument in congress.
apparently you haven't been watching what's going on today - it's just as well, as it would only raise your blood pressure even higher. chill out.
"... the president went to the Hill to make one more push for the trillion-dollar legislation" says the headline.
Wha ...?! When in hell was the earlier time Obama actually went to the hill to promote this bill? Did I miss something here?
I hope those voting yes realize what they are doing to this country. health care will move from 16% of the economy up to 21%. This will suck jobs out of other sectors and will lead to a shortage of qualified people in the health cre industry, thus further inflating health care and reducing quality.
The Republicans may be the party of "no," but the Democrats are fast becoming the party of "no jobs." This bill is, at best, reckless, at worsem, pure insanity!
And if we do nothing, healthcare will be 50% of the economy. But that's okay, it's "The Marketplace."
And if Congress does nothing about the Social Security and Medicare unfunded liability, it will be over 100% of the economy. We will be saying our pledge of allegience to People's Republic of China.
Obama said that health care at 16% of the economy is too much. So, he pushes a bill that turns it into 21% of the economy. And all of you are too fucking stupid to see the disconnect? All you can do is spout off meanignless attacks on capitalism.
The dems are the mommie party and republicans are the daddy party. The dem mommies will do anything for their little dearest, and never mind that he is an illegal alien/bankrupt/fraudulent crook, while the republicans daddies sputter and desperately try to impose some discipline on the whole sorry mess.
Right now the country just wants it's mommie.
Cute little analogy there, plant, but who needs --or wants -- "daddies" who won't support their families and are weak, absent and ineffectual?
You have your own mommie problems, how else is it you became so warped?
And you mommie had daddie problems, she couldn't help but.
Touche oaklynne. I'm too po'd.
PLANTAGENET's comment that starts "The dems are the mommie party and republicans..." uses Rule # 3 of THE 5 RULES OF PROPAGANDA --
3) The rule of disfiguration: discrediting the opposition by crude smears and parodies.
The Republican Stupak has at the last minute put the most disgusting amendment going even beyond the Hyde Amend.
This is what has been going on all along, the conservatives have thwarted and opposed this bill, and it has become theirs.
The Democratic Woman opposing are heroic.
The Republican men are SC*M, absoulte S*UM, and fat and ugly too.
Women now need to seek free contraception and free child care from the US Gov't. Get wise young ladies and get involved.
What do they want women to buy supplemental abortion ins. Don't think the ins cos. won't oblige.
If you can't get condoms don't have sex. It's not that hard.
I don't know what your sex it but the birth control pill is the most reliable form of birth control and it is under the control of the woman. Thanks anyway for the suggestion not to have sex, weirdo.
I use pill and condoms to be doubly sure. If you are irresponsible then all problems are you own fault.
This is not about what you use, you must think you are super stud, the ultra successful impregnator. Women are perfectly secure with birth control, thank you very much.
I do so at my girls request. Just as i would fully be responsible if anything happened. So i am careful. Not to mention i think if anything of that sort happened her lovely father would shoot me.
Fortunately, shotgun weddings are a thing of the past.
Well played, sir.
Oh, look, Bohnor, looks a little more sober tonite, he must have read his reviews from the protest the other day.
Those that aren't overweight men, are uptight looking twits. Who would even go near them?
OK Pense says pray if you have cancer. OK
I wonder what pushing this bill trough is going to cost America?
i wonder if a person from mexico that is in need of health care will come here and become a burden on this country?
i wonder why we are being lied to?
i wonder why abortion and illegals are now in a bill that we were told by the president they were not? it reminds me of Bill Clinton waving his finger at us saying he "I didn't have sex with that girl" funny politicians
but some still believe them
my momma always said if you lie once you are a liar
Sorry, but abortion is NOT in the bill, besides abortion was already out because of the Hyde Amendment. Stay informed.
Addtionally, health care in Mexico is not costly as it is here. I was not a burden in Mexico because it was affordable.
the Conference of Catholic Bishops couldn't support the compromise put forth by Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth to create an independent monitor to make sure that insurance companies didn't spent public funds to pay for abortion, and a number of wavering Democrats wouldn't sign on to the plan unless the church endorsed it
That is no new news that the Catholic Church was the dealbreaker, but as I said it was already a done deal with the Hyde Amendment, but the Republicans wanted more and therefore the Stupak amendment, and that is when the RCC ok'd it.
I am not sure if your concerns about illegal Mexican immigrants swarming across the border for our healthcare are well founded.
Mexico has a complex delivery model one that is privately and employee-employer funded as well as a government subsidized public healthcare system .
Public health care is provided to all Mexican citizens as guaranteed via Article 4 of their Constitution. Public care is either fully or partially subsidized by the federal government, depending on the person's employment status. All Mexican citizens are eligible for subsidized health care regardless of their work status via a system of health care facilities operating under the federal Secretariat of Health.
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