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O’Reilly: Not My Fault
Finding the truth uncomfortable, Bill O’Reilly has apparently decided just to lie about it: On his show last night, O’Reilly claimed that he could be sure that he did not incite Dr. George Tiller’s assassin because he never called him “Tiller the Baby Killer”; he only “reported what groups were calling him.” Here’s a sampling of O’Reilly’s quotes: “[Kathleen Sebelius] wants the babies done for. This is—she supported Tiller the baby killer out there”; “Tiller got acquitted in Kansas, Tiller the baby killer”; “Now, we have bad news to report, that Tiller the baby killer out in Kansas—acquitted. Acquitted today of murdering babies”; “[Kathleen Sebelius] is the most pro-abortion governor in the United States. Based upon Dr. Tiller, the baby killer in her state, and all of that.”
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Looks like Bill
Had a little get together
With the Fox legal team.
Tone down the hate speech
And back pedal like an SOB.
Looks like Rupert
Should have a little get together
with Congress
and have the Fairness Doctrine
brought back on his money grubbing butt
so all this hate speech is
somewhat countered by
its victims
Back pedal? The screeching rubber and acrid smoke can be heard in California!
Ritarita, Issywise AND Hawnzz.
Bill, you've got nothing to worry about.
Looks like Bill-o is getting night visits from Dr. George Tiller's ghost. Bill-o helped place a target on a private citizen's head and is now trying to assuage his guilt. Either stand up and accept the blame like a man or run off to the corner and hide like the coward that you are.
Words have consequences, lies and hate-speech have consequences. I hope Bill-o lives a LONG life hunted down by Dr. Tiller's ghost. I hope every doctor and ER in the world keeps a picture of Bill-o with the words enemy #1 stamped on it.
I still think he didn't incite the murder but sure as hell he is lying to CYA and if he can't own up to his own words he should be quiet! If Fox wants people to believe that crap let the mgt come out and say so themselves! Don't put words into his mouth!
I can't agree on that one, Squiggy. Though O'Reilly wasn't the only one... he was part of a group that lead to the murder of an American citizen. If someone acted towards O'Reilly like he regularily acts towards his enemies... the legal wars would resemble WW3.
Tiller did in fact kill babies. That's what his job was. The law states if he did it for for "medical reasons that put the mother at risk" - he did so legally. O'Reilly's model is to get the audience amp'd up so when he finds a crack, he attacks. This is his model and it has paid him handsomely. What's disturbing to me is that O'Reilly's antics - which I agree he is now attempting to CYA - have somehow overshadowed the compelling issue with Tiller: Did he ILLEGALLY preform abortions past 21 weeks. O'Reilly had multiple women come forward and go on the record that Tiller did just that. The interesting question about this is folly of this law since because of HIPAA, there is no real method to hold doctors accountable to follow the law. In other words, if you can't enforce the law - what's the point?
Federalist, Tiller did not "kill babies." A baby is a living, breathing, crying, pooping human larva. What tiller did was remove fetuses from the bodies of women, at the express wishes of the women involved.
Whether or not he illegally performed abortions is definitely NOT "the compelling issue with Tiller." It's not even close.
Dreamer...
You're right, fetus' - in the same nature that killing a twelve year old is a girl not killing a women.
BTW: Fetuses do poop and cry; and move, and respond to stimulus; and need care and feeding, etc. And they even breath, not air but the intake of oxygen through their mother's bloodstream.
What IS the compelling issue with Tiller?
Just out of curiosity, Hawnzz, what would you consider the termination of a pregnancy in the ninth month if the baby (sic) was also American?
Banjo,
I do actually... but until the law changes, it's legal. And in extreme situations where the life of the woman is at risk it is necessary.
Federalist: He could have discussed the issue without the rant and name calling. He did the rant, he name called and now he takes the consequences of his actions. Well, he is trying to blame someone else instead. Tiller may have been an angel or maybe the devil, but at least he stood for what he believed in and didn't blame others or lack the courage of his convictions like O'Reilly. When the going gets tough and you have to defend yourself you can crawl under the table, curl up into the fetus position and point a finger like a big baby.. huh..O'Reilly?
Banjo1: If you want to get down to biology the woman is the host and until the baby is born it is she with the ability to give that baby life until it is born. Why in heavens' name should anyone be forced to carry another being? I don't disagree with you about abortion, but it must be the individual's choice with the assistance of their doctor, their faith and their loved ones. Nothing will come of this forcing situation except for backroom abortions. You can't want that...
Take a platform where you speak to more than a million people every day, say over-and-over that millions of Americans are murderers and scores of millions of Americans condone murder and sooner or later it is foreseeable that some emotionally weak soul will take your propaganda to heart and act on it.
It was foreseeable: it is foreseeable. O'Reilly will kill again unless he changes his act.
The issue of how the law should treat abortion is one that should be rationally discussed. The point in time when the state should intervene in every gestation in the nation has real equities focused on it that can be discussed and debated. Just calling people who disagree with you murderers over-and-over is not discussion and debate of those equities. It is incitement to hate and homicide borne of hate.
Rupert Murdock cares only for maximizing profits. He is the worst kind citizen for polluting our airways with hate filled poison.
Reinstate the fairness doctrine. The answer to this speech is to make answers to it also available.
Bill is a voice of the pro-force crowd and fully culpable in the death of Tiller/Hero/MD.
That said, Bill doesn't surprise me when he says baby-killer, but when Obama says that abortion is a "moral tragedy" that sound a lot like baby killer to me.
I have HAD it with Obama playing politics with women's rights.
Obama needs to say he made a HUGE mistake in putting a pro-force dwadle in charge of the DNC and he needs to make a very BIG PRIME TIME speech retracting his words of "moral tragedy!"
Yes, Bill should woman up on this and say hey I was wrong, but double that for Obama who lied to women voters and not the media is giving him a FREE PASS to take about abortion as if it were shameful and nasty in the same way the Bill's of this word do.
Friendly Fire should not be tolerated on this issue from Obama/face/side/2
You know what Sadie, you are absolutely right to call Pres Obama on this. Thanks for waking me up.
@cheenthere
In all fairness, I got the message from Femisex.com, a sort of Independent feminist website I've been reading for a while now. They are p-o'd about this issue.
So you are kind of waking up too. I think it may be time for women to take this issue unto themselves. Judging from some of the comments (I think mostly by men don't you) that we should speak harder.
And I think they have a fair point. However, I think healthcare is so important too. I am from the era of the first Ms. magazine I should point out, so I am frustrated and shy.
People should call for his dismissal from Fox. It is amazing that this man should be able to continue spewing forth garbage. A man is dead!! No he didn't pull the trigger but he sure as hell fanned the flames.
People should write their congressmen and demand reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine. Rupert Murdock, an alien, was not satisfied with the take he was getting from Fox News so he hired a political hack named Roger Ailes to turn the network into a partisan, ideological bomb-throwing ratings getter. Requiring that screwed news (right or left) require access to its victims on the same airway is the proper corrective. Every time O'Reilly calls someone acting lawfully a murder that person ought to have the right to make his own defense on the very forum used to attack him.
Issywise, just a thought, if you want the whole democratic system to fall you will place a control on free speech and freedom to choose, and if Fox news is your only gripe, how can you justify a such a narrow, one- sided offense? What if all the news was the same and only from two sides? That would kill journalism faster than it is dying now. It would all sound the same and no one would listen. Whatever the gov't tinkers with dies and takes us with it. Why pursue death?
squiggy:
Providing for MORE speech is not killing democracy, it is enhancing it. The idea that you apparently missed in your civics classes is that democracy work by having policy choices debated rationally, from which the best choice will most often emerge--and enjoy con census support that policies arrived at by other means do not enjoy. What we have is a national news network that is vested as a subsidary of one. Rational debate requires consideration of more than one viewpoint. Rupert Murdock and Roger Aile's Fox News--no matter that you agree with their propaganda, are not fairly providing discussion of all or even two sides of an issue. Their content is determined by partisan advantage and ideological preference. This is also true for other networks, though not on the habitual basis Fox practices.
The solution is to require that persons licensed to use the public airways (remember we own them?) provide time for responsive statements from persons advocating policy choices different from the ones the networks have selected for us and are propagandizing. This use of time will not kill debate, but make sure it actually occurs. It will not injure democracy but strengthen it.
squigs........we've lived through Dr. Goebbels and Harry Morgan (the ad man who proved repeating any statement often enough--false or true, can gain acceptance of it and cause behavior in conformance to it's assertion.
If you want to discuss the Fairness Doctrine, you'll have to do more than paint the flag on your fanny and wave it in all of our intellectual faces trying to displace reasoned consideration with manipulative emotional Chicken Little manipulation.
We had that doctrine for for nearly half a century and democracy did pretty well during that time-4 Democratic Presidents and 4 Republican Presidents and Congress of both parties.
Why do you really not like the Fairness Doctrine? Do you think it would be better to have countervailing networks ignoring balance and pumping sewage into the marketplace of ideas with every greater competitive intensity? Do you think a little truth would be evil? Are you so ideological that you equate partisan propaganda with democracy?
Issywise: Rupert Murdock is another meanie.
Yes, O'Reilly has the balls when he sits in his little Fox newsroom, but come go time out in the real world and boy doesn't he turn yellow! In fact, he is getting such a soft response compared to what he was dishing out and yet he can't even take this mild tongue lashing. Now we see him running for cover denying his words helped feed the unstable shooter's ego.
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What are you even talking about? None of the mainstream media sources I know of would do anything but thank our soldiers for their service....nut jobs are nut jobs whether on the right or the left. You're absolutely idiotic to try and make this argument...
There have been many discussions about that incident also. You missed them appaarently.
You did miss the articles and comments yesterday? Go back and read.
Nope I didn't miss them, what I'm questioning is viewsonic's argument that liberal media had anything to do with inciting the psycho to kill those soldiers. According to his logic unless you do nothing but blindly support the Bush administration's use of the military you have influenced this insane muslim to kill american soldiers in Arkansas...like I said, even the most liberal pundits on MSNBC thank our soldiers for their service.
Why you idiot. The two cases are exactly alike. Like O'Reilly somebody was telling that "crazy [who] shot the soldier" that both doctor and soldier were murders thereby justifing in the mind of the crazy that interventionist homocide was justified.
Hate is hate no matter who spouts it. Is the "liberal media" calling soldiers murderers lately?
Naaaaaaa......you analogy isn't anywhere near valid, but it did do one thing, It allowed you to complacently shut your own eyes to both fact and reason and to sit still in your self-satisfied attitudes without even letting a glimmer shine in from the real world.
"Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see." Lennon and McCartney.
Here you demostrate both a lack of reasoning and a lack of command of the relevant facts.
View-
You've been out of sight
For a long time-
You can't just blast back in here
With guns blazing
Calling us all assholes.
How the hell do you know
What was discussed?
Get it together.
Ritarita
Could you please go over to O'Reilly vs Tiller and make some sense of Dr. Snoe. I just can't handle it. Sorry that that party went on without you today.
cbeen-
Dr.Snoe is a long-winded guy.
I can't finish that post if
I want to hit the pillow
Before midnight.
Explain this Viewsonic, because you are making a pretty big claim here.
O'Reilly harping on again and again about Tiller on his Fox NEWS show is the same as the main stream media and the liberal loons because they repeatedly said what and on which show?
Who will kill these babies now? I'm concerned.
You should be; how the so-called "pro-life" (really it's the anti-choice) movement has no regard for the life of the mother is beyond me! You can't be pro-life and say one persons life is worth more than another.
Who will respect a Mothers right to live is what I want to know?
That is a consideration whether we can understand that or not.
So insightful BUSHdemocrat. you've outed us. We secretly want to enslave women, and take away their choices.
Oh I see, people who disagree with you are baby killers.
Hmm. Since the law is supposed to operate on rational principle, can you discuss what rational principle distinguishes the instant a zygote forms from the instant before when two gametes exist and then rationally discuss why that occurrence should be taken by the law as the moment when homicide laws become applicable.
No you can't Lido66: You never even thought about it. You just go around saying that scores of millions of your fellow countrymen are baby killers and think you are being a fit citizen in a self-governing democracy.
Well, you are not Lido, you are being a self-righteous, offensive bigot who hasn't got the inclination to think in his role as a citizen when ignorance and self-importance can serve the same purpose.
You call me a baby killer and I call you un-democratic slime.
Lido66: You say nothing but some strange statement with no meaning whatsoever. What is up with that? Why is it that you cannot argue a point with some interesting merit? For me, I would looove to see a good reasoned argument (without the church babledeegook) to defend the anti choice opinion because I, for myself, do not like the idea of abortion. Unfortunately, you zealots cannot help with this at all so we folks that would like to find some earthly way to assist folks in the difficult position of having to make this choice get squat from you all. You know you can try to take away a woman's rights, but you won't take away a person's ability to seek the abortion route.
You and other like minded conservatives could start helping instead of winding up everyone all the time. Furthermore, there are plenty of life threatening occupations and situations that you are going to have to figure out how to handle involving 'innocent lives' that should be also examined for legality (or illegalness or whatever the word is) if a woman's right to choose is taken from her.
Finding the truth uncomfortable, Bill O'Reilly has apparently decided just to lie about it: On his show last night, O'Reilly claimed that he could be sure that he did not incite Dr. George Tiller's assassin because he never called him "Tiller the Baby Killer"; he only "reported what groups were calling him."
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Have you noticed that all of the Republican heroes, Rush, O'Reilly, etc., are nothing but liars and scumbags. Must make folks proud to be Republican.
Hold on Kansas - You're saying that Democrats are not liars and scumbags?
Joe:
The party of civil rights, voided 2.3 million Democratic primary votes. Their candidate claimed he was running to "CHANGE the way business was done in Washington," and then collected $730 million to buy his office.
Are you saying those people are liars and scumbags? By what standard?
Thousands of years from now when our current civilization is unearthed, they will find millions of developed and nearly developed human babies in their seventh or eighth month and ask what kind of people would allow this to happen. We thought the Mayans were advanced for their time, and yet found many of their rituals barbaric. The same condescension will be held towards are current civilization, all in the wonderfully sounding phrase of a "woman's right to choose." I believe women should have the right, even though my attitudes changed after my first child. However, I believe all girls/women seeking an abortion for nonmedical reasons should be required to watch a video of an actual abortion for their the same month as their pregnancy. If they still want to go ahead in their seventh, eighth, or ninth month after watching small body parts sucked out one-by-one until it forms a developed human, I say go right ahead. We shouldn't protect them from the reality of their deed.
Oh puleeze.
Educate yourself before you type. Intact dilation and extraction of the type that Dr. Tiller performed is done when the fetus is either dead or not VIABLE. These women WANTED these babies.
I don't know why I'm bothering. You've obviously been brainwashed beyond redemption. These abortions ARE FOR MEDICAL REASONS ONLY, you irredeemable FOOL.
Why should I believe you? How are you so sure that all 60,0000 cases were medical decisions where the mother actually wanted the baby? Perhaps you are the brainwashed fool in this case.
anyone who believes that he did 60.000 abortion is a fool. do you realize that 60.000:35years= ? per year per day? rightwingnuts are amazing
Um........Vinny, the fetuses won't be around in thousands of years.
Since we'll have likely left an extensive written record, I think they'll understand and, if they are interested, will learn of the complex sensibilities that guide our laws. But, if they read your post here, they'll know your opinion.
too bad O'Reilly's mom didn't go through with the abortion- what a better place the world would be
It scares me hearing radio DJ's like Rush, Shawn Hannity, Randy Savage and others talking in such harsh ways about our President. I just hope and pray that some fool listening to these so called truth sayers will not try to kill our President. I do think Bill O'Reilly rantings had something to do with the killing of the abortion doctor. Our government has to do something about these people spreading these hate messages.
Are you serious?!? No one ever wishes our president harm. They disagree with his policies and they should. For the most part, these are not policies that will keep us safe, nor will they revive the economy. Are you saying that there should be more government censorship? That we shouldn't be allowed to disagree with our president and let that view be heard?
Demonizing the others, no matter who they are, is an invitation to violence. Hitler used it very effectively with the help of the Goebbels' propaganda machine. Dehumanizing Jews, Gypsys, homosexuals, Eastern Europeans, Communists, and anyone else who disagreed with the Nazi goals, made it easy for non-political Germans to do the killing.
Today, our 'PUBLIC' airways are used to dehumanize Muslims, Mid-Easteners, immigrants, women, Gays, and 'Liberals'. Oh, I forgot the anti-gun lobbyists who don't believe in the Constitution...
Low and Behold! The folks who listen to this garbage believe it. Why not? It's in the newspaper, and on TV and radio, it must be true The listeners may have a few loose nuts and bolts to begin with, but this stuff easily convinces them they are under attack.
So, they go out and get a gun, or some dynamite, or a bunch of bomb masking stuff like common fertilizer, or anthrax spores, and get rid of the enemy.
And our Government does little or nothing to protect us from these home grown crazies, because at least half of the elected and appointed officials, and the military, and the civil servants believe the same shit. In the name of 'Free Speech' and the 2nd Ammendment, we give a liscense to those who want to destroy us.
Hell, we even appoint them to life-time jobs on the Federal bench!
Those lifetime assignments are to be questioned.
We should hold O'Reilly accountable for Tiller's death in the same way we hold Obama accountable for the death of one soldier and wounding of another at the recruitment center the other day by the Muslim convert. It seems Obama has been riling Muslim extremists with his talk of Gitmo and apologizing for all the evils deeds America has committed against Muslims. It swings both ways; don't be a political lemming.
You are truly as unbalanced as your comment. Saying that President Obama has been arousing Muslim anger over Gitmo and "apologizing" are pure wingnut wishful thinking. The stink left behind by the Cheney regime will will take years to overcome. Every time a wingnut accuses President Obama of problems associated with cleaning up the stupidity and torture policies of the Cheney regime, the Republicans lose another dozen or so votes in 2010. Keep up the idiocy, you'll be gone in no time at all.
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Well there's no need
To be so damn rude.
Rep. Murtha accused US Marines of "cold blooded" murder about an incident in 2005. Murtha said the Haditha killings were comparable to the March 1968 My Lai massacre, when American servicemen killed as many as 504 Vietnamese villagers,
This incidence was sent to military trial, on a review of the evidence for most the charges were dropped and one was found not guilty. One case is pending.
Yesterday, servicemen were gunned down in Little Rock by a nut job presumably upset by our military being in the Middle East.
So, according to most of the comments here, Murtha should be arrested like Bill O'Reilly. I disagree, Murtha and O'reilly have the "Inalienable" right to say what they wish.
However, Murtha should not be re-elected. But I will continue to watch Bill O'Reilly.
You need to read up on the My Lai massacre. I doubt you watched that carnage delivered via the news. And what was O'Reilly doing during that era? Forming the opinions he shoves today?
I watched O'Reilly's opening comment last night, and thought that his attack on Immelt and the NBC Corp was over the top. Immelt doesn't need a letter of protest from me about their biased reporting. Their ratings speak for themselves. O'Reilly should have kept his mouth shut.
Having said that, this was a hate crime perputated by a religious fanatic. The killing of William Long at a Little Rock, Arkansas recuiting center was a hate crime perputated by a religious fanatic. Neither Obama, Cheney, or O'Reilly are to blame for these henious acts. If anyone might be culpable, I would say it's Homeland Security for not monitering these extremists and trying to prevent hate crimes by keeping tabs on fanitics in this country.
So, please tell me... was Dr. Tiller a baby killer?
No, you idiot. He was not. As you would know full well if you bothered to inform yourself of the facts.
He never killed a baby?
At the very least O'Reilly should be in court in this case. Let's see how this goes down.
O'Reilly is slime.
The terrorist in a suit at fox news I mean Freemason news has incited a murder.With his terrorist talk and won't stop to feed his veiwers who are terrorist right wing republicans and will praise billy for what he says we now have a Tv host who is terrorist in his own right.And of all the place a church.How does Billy know if God was working on his heart why was he in church maybe he was seeking God and God was working on mr.tillers heart SAD SAD SAD.Billy you need to be investigate and taken off the air when does it stop.I can see you know billy with Newt,Rush at a rally all hooded up hiding behind the hate.
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