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I commend President Obama for recognizing that Billy Graham as a national treasure starting from the 1940s to 2009. Every American president appreciated his non-political, biblical based preaching and ethical values as well as his appreciation for the various world's religious leaders during his lifetime of preaching in every continent.

President Obama is courteous with many people. doesnt mean they are worth a penny with a hole in it.

...God was using her to wake America up...? I don't think so, what worries me is that she hears it and believes it and acts out. Now if she were a minister fine.

What's this we stuff Graham is nothing more than a high class scam artist living the life of wealth and decadence preaching about a guy who wouldn't have spit on him if he was on fire. I am sure according to his preaching he soon will be on fire

I echo your sentiments on Graham, but Palin, I'm deeply suspicious about -- a manipulative move (alliance) on her part. If she really wants answers, why doesn't she spend some quiet (off camera) time doing deep theology and wrestle with the flaws of dispensationalism rather than take such face value stances on issues she knows nothing about?

I have no problem with her having dinner with Graham, if they want to be evangelical Christians, that's all fine and dandy. (ironically, considering evangelicals sure like to stick their nose into other peoples business and tell them what they can and can't do) But she's asking Graham what the Bible says about the Mideast and that's shaping her foreign policy. She believes that we are in the End Times, and you want her finger on the big red button?

He got used by Tricky Dick Nixon and he's getting used again. She's apparently looking for tips on how to start a nuclear war to bring about the Rapture and the End of Days, which Graham should have more sense than to encourage.

"I disagree with the Obama administration on that. I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don't think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand."

Well put cbeenthere! I also reacted to that line.

Wake up to her? When will the nightmare end? Besides, the more we know about her, the more we know that everything she does is a calculated ploy designed for her glory and her glory alone. Sorry Graham, but it is true!

I have to know, were any of you anti-Palin/anti-Graham posters equally as concerned when Obama conferred with Reverend Wright?

Wright preached and damned America. Is that okie-dokie with you all?

Keep in mind, Palin has no control over American policy, but Obama does. I think your fear is misplaced.

God is rolling over in his grave right about now!

jheights -- I have the suspicion diamondgirl is "too dumb" to be legit. Someone is playing a joke. Watch for "diamondgrl" (without the last "i") too. She is even "dumber".

diamondgrl is funnier, though.

reasonable -- I agree. Sorta diamondgirl perfected.

I think zirc refers to "Religous Country" (in caps) because she really believes that's where she lives. Funny the way delusional minds work.

piktor, actually diamondgirl is actually legit and "too dumb" - kind of a scary combo. diamonggrl has her pegged and hence is funny.

jheightsgirl,piktor,My Stalker,Good I am glad to hear that makes you happy that Palin is going to run. Obama is the Socialist, and who the hell are you, I wasn't talking to you personally, I don't even know you, I was talking to those who like Obama's Socialist Agenda. Your comments are right from Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinski, a communist& Obama's mentor.. #4&5
Your comments will never affect me, because you must have me confused with someone who gives a shit what you losers think..LOL

Wow, you guys are in full-fledged attack mode.

rea,stalker,pik, If you like my alter ego better, I am sure she would love to converse with you. Knock yourselves out!

Too dumb to be legit? Sadly, no. You clearly haven't seen this video of the crowd outside a Sarah Palin book signing. I really don't understand how people can feel so passionately about things they don't know much about and can't be bothered to educate themselves about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk

My..aren't we intellectually presumptuous?? Diamondgirl is essentially right...there ARE more Christians than Socialists in this country..but the numbers are shifting daily. We could arrange the math any way your peanut brain likes!! Eliminate Christians who are Socialists...a wash..no!? And non-Christians who are non-Socialist?! Get it??? Probably not.
By the way Einstein..it's "socialist" not "socilaist"..and i is usually capitailized. Though in your case it would be nearly impossible to make it toooooo lower case. Get it? Maybe not.

Palin has already shown her ability to write in God's voice about His plan for Her. Since she's already publishing what God dictated to her in her new "book," why would she need approval from another crusty old man?

I am the Lord, YogiBarrister, and I hath heard your plea.

Unfortunately I do not like Sarah Palin very much and plan to smite her election coffers in 2011.

Not the best effort at sardonic wit. How about you and I take a trek where Sharia law rules and you'll know the really meaning of "forced to..."

Jaygim, I've been to countries where sharia law is practiced, have you? Its one reason I don't want to see the Christian version here.

Yes, which is why the analogy is a flawed one. Palin and the "religious right" that seems to spook American hardly represents Christian orthodoxy, whose inevitable tenet, when reflected upon and worked out in nuance, is religious liberty for all; that flies in the face of theocracy or "imposed" religion. Misreadings of this do not represent all believers by any means. Of course, that makes for cheap laughs, but cretinism is cretinism from all ends, religious or not.

@ Jaygim,
I wish I could agree with you but I don't. Palin and Graham are not fighting to "religious freedom for all." Their mission is to force their faith and values down everyone else's throat, not only through church but also through he media and policy.

Family Planning is a simple example. This should be considered a medical issue but it is politicized in America becuase of the religious right.

jheightsgirl,
My point was that Palin doesn't necessarily represent Christian orthodoxy, so to lump her as a one-size-fits-all "moral majority" is reductionist and lazy; as far as family planning, views on this are obviously not made in a vacuum and are informed by a certain view of the world, religious or not. To suggest that faith and "values" are only shoved down the throat by the "religious" is naive; I'll in the most open minded "liberal" pocket of urban/city USA, and I've never met so many self-righteous, intolerant folks in my life...

Kiddo, you are one sick pup, I don't care what you think, because you don't think, you only spew. Since you seem to be some left wing freak who is sooooo afraid of Christianity, and thinks the Christians are going to take over the world I hope you crap in your pants over it...Its sounds like you already did that by your response.LOL
I am officially going to call you my second Stalker, you and Oaklynn are my two favorite people on here... Both Pin Heads and sick out of their minds in LOVE WITH ALL Things OBAMA!
I hope I have made your day, you sure have made mine!!!

Boy, cvillekid, you really got zircgirl riled up. Funny how she talks about Christianity but when you read her vile language and base insults, it's pretty clear she's no Christian.

zirc, I think it best for you to avoid using the words "crazy" and "bitch" when writing, if you know what I mean...

"I have the values that are reflective of so many other American values ....... "

I find it incredibly disturbing. Not quite as disturbing as a 57-year old Franklin Graham still referring to his father as "daddy", but disturbing none the less.

Afraid of religion? HELL YES!!!! Religion fosters ignorance, hate, xenophobia, genocide and all-around psychosis. Religion has people like D-gash thinking that man used to ride around on dinosaurs, the world was flat and only 6,000 years old and that salvation is reserved for those who dunk their heads in a make-shift bathtub. Is it any coincidence that the most religious individuals are the poorest, least educated and most unhealthy folks among us?

ps....D-gash, please close your mouth when you post....I can smell Palin's small intestine from way over here. Thank you!

I will assume that you never got to blow out candles on your own birthday cake, or never had a wedding ceremony where you took a pledge (gave your oath), cause otherwise you would understand "those who dunk their heads in a make-shift bathtub".

It is a ceremony, a celebration. Good grief Dan, get a grip.

If "the most religious individuals are the poorest" how in the world to the church groups in America find the money to contribute to the poor......worldwide?

If you want to think that you are an enlightened one because you are "smart" enough to fear religion, then go right ahead. There are many who would argue with you.

Your statement that "Religion fosters ignorance, hate, xenophobia, genocide and all-around psychosis." proves to me a lack of brilliance. There are always bad people who hide their evil behind "religion". Just like there are good, peaceful Muslims, there are also the hate-filled, power-hungry, radical jihadists who claim that they are murdering in the name of Islam, when in reality it is a political ideology. Just like Naziism, some are hungry for complete control.

Religion has done more through the centuries to educate the masses, bringing them out of illiteracy. Look at the schools established by various churches in 3rd world countries, those who risk their lives to help the poor and the sick.

Too bad you feel compelled to paint all people with the same brush. Some would be as afraid of someone like you as you are of religion.

You need to ask yourself the question of the chicken and the egg.

Dan, so you are afraid of Religion, and you are saying anyone who is religious is ignorant, filled with hate, believes in genocide and has all -around psychosis. WOW now who is filled with all those pathetic characters, could it be you? You must be from another country because we don't do that in America, At least not in my life time. You would rather have a President who is a Socialist who is killing this country with, bail outs, take overs,taxes,government run health care,2 wars he chose to continue, communist in the white house, porkulus bill that DIDNT CREATE ONE FRIGGEN JOB! Apologizes to the world for all things wrong with America, bends over to the Chinese who in turn sticks it up his butt, Triples the deficit in 10 months and passes it off as, we need to spend money to create jobs,(he paid off his buddies who got him elected with the money) cap and tax, and you, you stupid SHLUB are worried about Religion, your vision of this country is somewhat altered by your bias to say the least, and you need a doctor bad for that thing on the top of your neck, ( your head)

@DD3075: Allow me to clarify that my comments were directed at the three main religions (desert dogmas). That withstanding, your comments reveal your devotion to some form of religion (probably christianity) and more sympathetic to your disability I could not be. However, if an education in the perils of organized religion is what you seek, perhaps you might entertain an IM exchange?

@D-gash. Honey, you are the embodiment of middle-American ignorance that we Indies have learned to avoid like the stink on Carrie Prejean's fingers.

They can't. Hypocracy is the dinner they serve and consume.

Wow, DD, that's a lot of spouting off, and yet in all that you fail to answer the question I raised. Namely, isn't it disturbing that Sarah Palin, an evangelical Christian with the fatalistic view that we are in the End Times and the Israeli settlements are the buildup towards the Rapture, shapes her Mideast policy with the Bible? It's a simple, concise question that does not involve Hasan, Rev. Wright, marijuana, or even President Obama...so, try again.

johnsmith1882,

Your irrational thought processing disturbs me a lot. Palin's lunch with a true man of the cloth, doesn't. As I said, Palin holds no office, and has no authority over me.

Now the fear you exhibit over her establishing a "Mideast policy" must indicate that you believe she will become an elected member of the federal government at some point in time, when she would be able to implement said policy. If she does, she will have been grilled on her Mideast policy, and the majority of America will have agreed. Otherwise, as I've said before, her meeting with Graham has no impact.

Now that I've responded to your "concise question" (which you should have been able to deduce from my first post), it is your turn to be a standup guy and respond to my question.

When you and others argue that we should ignore 20 years of hatefilled speech being drummed into Obama's head by Wright, and ignore the 22 contacts of a terrorist with a radical jihadist Muslim Imam, what makes you so frightened of a luncheon with a person who preaches nothing but love and compassion?

Sadly, it appears that you are more comfortable with hatred than with love. FYI....your expressed fear of Christianity is very reminiscent of the fear of JFK's Catholicism.

DD,
Let's start from the bottom of your post...
Where have I expressed fear of Christianity? On this thread, I've said that I think it's fine for Palin to have lunch with Graham, find it disturbing that she shapes her Mideast policy with a fatalistic, evangelical view of the Bible, and don't find waterboarding funny. All in all, a pretty live-and-let-live, humane attitude, I like to think; and how that equals a fear of Christianity, your logic fails me.
I'll post that much now, just so you know I'm responding....

Re: Hasan
Where have I said one word about Hasan on this thread, or any other? He is a radical Muslim who snapped, and believed he was doing Allah's work via jihad. Authorities should have acted prior to the shootings, when the intel came to their attention. Where have I said any of this should be ignored?

Re: Rev. Wright
Yes, President Obama attended a black church with a black preacher. Apparently, you think he's been indoctrinated with '20 years of hatefilled speech'. Where's your evidence? Shouldn't Obama be speaking out, against 'The Man'? Or is he keeping it hush-hush, conspiracy-style? Just pretending to be a middle-left politician, and then one day, when we least expect it...blam! Ultra-orthodox communist, socialist, fascist, nazi, muslim, neo-Malcolm X! He and Rev. Wright will rule the cosmos together, forever....no, I think he's just a middle-left politician.

Finally, Sarah Palin...
As I have previously said, I have no problem with her having lunch with Graham. They can do all the fun stuff that evangelical Christians like to do. I do find it ironic that I don't mind whatever they do, as long as it doesn't affect me; while evangelicals like to tell people what they can and can't do, but back to the point...
No, I don't think Palin will ever become an elected politician again. She certainly would not get my vote. I think that she is a joke, an empty-headed spokesmodel that speaks to the lowest common denominator. But, considering all the attention that she gets, and the unquestioned love she gets from the tea-party ilk, she should be taken seriously. And if taken seriously, then her policy should be taken seriously. Which is why I question fashioning foreign policy using the Bible. The end. Pretty rational, I think. No fear of Christianity, not more comfortable with hatred than love...just reason. If you want Palin taken seriously, then her policy should be taken seriously.

Re: Sarah Palin

What I watch the radical left do continually, is to try to put people they dislike, like Sarah Palin, into a spot where they are screwed if they do AND screwed if they don't.

Throughout the election, the leftists continually battered about Palin not having a foreign policy. Never did they mention that Obama had none. Everything disturbing about Obama was supposed to be ignored, in spite of the fact that he was running for POTUS. Palin, running for VP, was scrutinized to the utmost.

So now Palin is beginning to gather information, attitudes, and approaches to foreign policy. The fact that she started with a very respected religious leader in America becomes something that the left cannot accept. Where did you want her to start her fact-finding? With Ahmadinejad? With Chavez? With all of the most hateful dictators in the world? Why? It has to be that you feel more threatened by Christianity than you are by Fascist dictators.

I have tremendous respect for the tea-partiers. You dislike them and disrespect them without listening to them and because their beliefs are the opposite of yours. They are as American as you. They have the right to make their voices heard. When grass-roots are speaking, the political enviros better damn well listen. Americans have hardly been this active in politics since the 60s. It's what our Constitution established, and they intend to use that freedom.

Your statement "I question fashioning foreign policy using the Bible" is very disturbing. What makes you think that Palin's start with Graham is where she stops?

I am a looooong way from a religious zealot. In fact I find the radical right almost as offensive as the radical, liberal left. I say "almost" because if I had to choose between religious zealots and Socialist/Marxists, I'll take the right. Let's hope it doesn't come down to that. But with the radical leftist policies coming from our current POTUS, it may very well happen.

Obama is in no way a center left.

I like a lot about Palin's beliefs, like her stand on drilling into this country's oil supply to make us energy independent. It involves being responsible with our environment, but it could and should happen.

I haven't evaluated all of her positions, and don't intend to unless she is put into a position where I find it necessary to know them. On the other hand, the continual attacks from the left on Palin, on the tea-partiers, et al, has been very eye opening for me. I will never again be a part of the intolerant left, the ones who seek to destroy rather than to debate, the ones who are so insecure in their ability to fend for themselves that they feel the need to turn our government into their nanny, the ones who are willing to trade freedom and independence for a security blanket.

I can't finish commenting on your other posts, but may tomorrow. All of my comments about the left are not aimed at you. I respect the fact that you took time to answer, without the usual TDB trait of name-calling.

DD3075, Where did you come from? You have a way with words that cuts out the crap and gets right to the point. These pin heads wont understand a word of what you have said. But I found your point of view right on, just keep it coming..

DD

America has only 3% of the worlds oil and half of it is under high seas, off the top of Alaska or in hard to extract shale. If we drilled every well in the next year we would still be buying from the Middle East, Russia etc.. and we'd tap it in our life time. Also, oil is a commodity like any other, and America works with other countries in something called Trade. If there is a lot of oil coming form ANWR and the bearing sea, much of it would be shipped to refineries in Asia, that's how large scale commerce works in this world. And Alaskans will be the ones fighting to sell it overseas because they will make more from it. (Less shipping costs). Even if it all came to west coast refineries it would never ever be enough to cut prices more than a few cents or bring us anywheres near national independence in oil.

America is not in a crisis, not yet, but one may come some day and I'd like to see that oil stay in the ground for now as our strategic reserve. How does this fit into SP's world and mine. She has never said one thoughtful word on any energy source other than oil. She would be funny to watch if it all wasn't so sad.

varmint,

According to Royal Dutch Shell...........".The U.S. is sitting on the world's largest, untapped oil reserves - reservoirs which energy experts know exist, but which have not yet been tapped and may not be attainable with current technology. In fact, such untapped reserves are estimated at about 2.3 trillion barrels, nearly three times more than the reserves held by Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) nations and sufficient to meet 300 years of demand - at today's levels - for auto, truck, aircraft, heating and industrial fuel, without importing a single barrel of oil.

What's the problem then? Why aren't oil companies jumping to pump the black gold?

Contrary to what some conspiracy theorists would have you believe, there is no cabal of oil companies and foreign governments blocking the way, bottling up U.S. oil production. The reality is much more mundane. Those untapped reserves are located in places that either Uncle Sam has put off-limits for environmental reasons or are too costly to get - or a combination of both."

Link is www.royaldutchshellplc.com

So clearly, first, we have to be allowed to drill, and secondly, we have to work on developing the technology needed to get at much of it, like the Bakken reserves. Also, because the US government has prevented much of the drilling off our coastlines, there are other countries (like China) taking advantage of our offshore reserves, from just outside our boundaries (like between the US and Cuba). That is pure ignorance. It would be safer for our environmentally aware corporations to do the drilling under strict oversight, than to allow other countries to drill, unsupervised, and outside our control.

If there is enough to supply America for 300 years, why aren't we even starting? We don't have to wait. In fact, if we have more here than all of OPEC, why shouldn't America be taking advantage of it? It could pay off our entire debt. But no American company is going to invest in it when the government and our eco-terrorists could pull the rug out from under them at any time. We can't allow oil companies to run rampant, but neither can we allow eco-terrorism to stifle this country.

The complete link to Royal Dutch Shell article:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/07/11/untapped-oil-reserves-could-fue l-us-for-300-years/

Take out the space that TDB put into the word fuel, and the link works:

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/07/11/untapped-oil-reserves-could-fue l-us-for-300-years/

I laugh harder when there are electrodes tied to my scrotum.

no one thinks waterboarding is funny

Correct -- we are laughing at Sarah Palin. I'd only be afraid of her if (a) we were in the woods, (b) she had a gun, and (c) I was wearing a bear costume.

hithere3: I guess you've forgotten about Dick Cheney, haven't you?

i try :*(

anyone can see the BOman isn't a American..

anyone who starts a sentence with "anyone can see... " must have failed Speech & Debate class. it's like a red flag that identifies morons.

Amen! This sounds like good material for another movie: "2012: The Year We Have nother Botched RNC Ticket."

Of course she will fall flat on her face, and Dems will be loving every second of it! Let's hope she doesn't jump into the independent pool and contaminate that water too!

Hey Stalker, Palin is not my Messiah, and there is no sword, It just makes my day that Palin and any R's make all you libs CRAZY. What would make me really happy (not that you give a shit)is if Someone would take this country in a direction that instead of enabling people they help them become all they can be. I dont mean going into the Army.
What is sad is those of you dont get how awful it is for those less fortunate than us. The only people who should have a need for the Government are those who are too old or disabled. The young and able should be educated/trained to support themselves. Where is the stimulus plan that does that?

Pure fascism. diamondgirl is looking for Someone (her cap) to educate and train us. As she says, it would make her really happy. I believe her.

So Kiddo, here is the definition of Fascism, I dont know if you cant read or what,or did you just pick that out of your @ss but, YOU sure as hell dont know what the meaning of fascism is. Next time you post make sure you look it up first.
fas·cism [ fá shìzz%u0259m ] or Fas·cism [ fá shìzz%u0259m ]

noun

Definition:

dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

In case you havn't read my posts I am the opposit of that, and I know you have, because you are my second favoriate Stalker

you are the opposite of fascism?

you have a real way with the english language, "zircgirl"

The racist ex-cop chimes in. Surprise!

cvillekid = The muslim terrorist/ anti American

Scratch a scab like NewYorkerR and it bleeds fascism.

you do realize stephen colbert is making fun of people like you, right?

Guy, if I cared about overblown hack novels, I'd read Dan Brown. You'd think a higher authority could have penned something a little more coherent and less preachy...

Why would you quote the Bible to an atheist? Are you that clueless?