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i know you needed to have paid tax to see a tax rebate from the bush tax cuts. I wonder why?? I did get my check.

How far did your check go, Dems? Mine covered less that 40% of a month's rent, which is to say, not very far at all. Plus, it was a tax credit, you had to claim receipt of the money on your taxes the next year.
And what you seem to be saying is that Latino problems aren't American problems, surely you are aware that Latinos are 15% of the US population, and growing. I like your attitude though, more votes for the democrats.

John, i used it for gas for my boat. it just about filled it . 250 gallons

Ahhh, back when a gallon of gas was $1.20...those were the days. Good thing we invaded Iraq and fixed all that. ;) Hope the fishing was good, at least.

Hm. Just to clarify here: there's a difference between the Bush tax cuts mentioned in the initial reply and the stimulus checks. The Bush tax cuts rolled back the percentage of progressive income tax paid by the those in the top tax bracket to pre-Bush, Sr. levels. The stimulus checks sent during the first recession of Bush's administration were early rebate checks; whereas, the stimulus checks from the second recession during his presidency were allocated from stimulus funds.

I think the reply was actually attempting to demonstrate the false consciousness of conservative voters who support policies of the Republican party that provide them with no actual benefits and, in some cases, actually have negative effects.

Then go do something else...PLEASE!!!

Today's stories are boring, they need to do better with topics.
Have a nice day dj too!

jaydee There should be no Latino issues. This is the the United States Of America. Remember one nation under God!!

Once again, I agree with winston. The title should be changed to say "Palin Unprepared for American Issues".

And I suppose the other VP candidate's comments (Biden) Aug 23, 2008 ... "You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent." shows that he is prepared for hispanic or any other issues?

Compared to Biden, Palin is a genius

maladapted-
A cur is a mean and nasty person. I am sure you had to look it up, a snarling dog is better than yourself, you are a common cur.

And as one would tell a four year old, use your own words.

You wish, dolt.

No, we don't need an "Anglo Saxon issues czar". We have a whole political party dedicated to that.

A brain.

Oh... that's the main Latino issue?

You should run for President being that you have the pulse of all issues.

But only run as a GOP'er if you can pass the Reagan test (even if Reagan himself couldn't).

Funny how you think someone is frustrated who doesn't think like you do. That is logically unsound thinking, no?

To tell you the honest truth, I wouldn't know what he main issue is of a Latin American being that I am not one. You are?

But to say that it consists of how to best get people into the country illegally is a bit of rhetoric, right?

The point is YOU are the one that unloaded the rhetoric. Therefore, either YOU back it up or you simply look like a trollish fool.

Smooches.

Geez, mal, if you get out of your little "us vs them" bubble and think about it, it's obvious what latin issues are. They're the fastest growing segment of the US population and I'm not referring to migrant workers and illegals, but rather 100% genuine as-American-as-me-and-(presumably)-you US citizens.

Like any new ethnic group (see the Poles, Italians and Irish of the turn of the century) many of their communities aren't fully integrated with mainstream America. Latin issues involve ensuring that these Americans are adequately represented, educated and integrated into our society. It's about guiding them into being a successful and productive segment of our population and preventing them from falling into a segregated, separate ghetto-ized system that produces nothing but crime, unskilled workers and ill feelings from Americans lucky enough to have had ancestors who did the hard work of integrating for them. In short it's exactly the kind of thing Republicans should be all over what with all their fetishizing of bootstraps and rags-to-riches stories but instead they ignore because they seem to have a hard time feeling compassion for people they consider less American than themselves.

mal...

But I'm not positioning myself to be a nominee to be President. As well, I didn't try to get elected to a national office. I'm not paid to know.

Palin is... and she still doesn't know. She sure can give a good interview to Fox people, though.

You betcha.

ME: ...it's obvious what latin issues are. (followed by lengthy explanation of basic latin issues)

MAL: So what are they?

ME: (facepalm)

Since when can brick walls post on the internet?

@ maladapted,
Not sure I understand your question. My point is that latinos are a beg segment of America's citizenship. It is unwise for any politician to treat such a large demographic with indifference, as some on this board would recommend.

According to jheights: "They are a segment of Americans with needs."

Their needs should be no different than the needs of ALL Americans. In my opinion, "special" needs apply only to the disabled, those outside of mainstream. There are physical realities that become barriers for the physically challenged.

The problem, IMHO, with the liberal thinking process is that they tend to categorize everyone into small caches, making them into minorities. Everyone should be treated equally, not individually or specially. As someone who has chosen to join the American populace, your job is to adapt to the American culture. If that means getting a job, an education, a place to live, then do so, and abide by the laws of this country. It's just that damn simple.

If you don't want to assimilate, then don't come here. It's freedom of choice.

Making a group of people into a minority, by treating them differently, is just plane wrong.

Honchos said it:

Latin issues involve ensuring that these Americans are adequately represented, educated and integrated into our society.

It's about guiding them into being a successful and productive segment of our population and preventing them from falling into a segregated, separate ghetto-ized system that produces nothing but crime, unskilled workers and ill feelings from Americans lucky enough to have had ancestors who did the hard work of integrating for them

Ya know, most rational people let go of pig-latin at about age 10.

You can not possibly be serious. Where do you suppose the majority of the seekers of the american dream in the early 1900's came from? Were they born here? Of course thery weren't. Alot of immigrants passed by the Statue of Liberty ending there long journey from foreign lands. How can "Give me your tired, your poor,your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" be labeled as "pinko propaganda" or "hippy beatnik French surrender poem" ?

diamondgrl,, Im coming along for the ride to.

I know, it was a little harsh. Try living it. I had history in 5 th grade after we read the 23 rd psalm. It's not just taking in the poor, It's respecting the value of following the laws of the land and thou shalt not steal, kill and all the rest.

Demsdisorder, just so you know this person is not me...Its somone emulating me.

I didnt read it yet, but I saw your response and figured I should let you know

The Real Diamondgirl!

Sure you are...

zirc, you're confusing "emulating" with mocking, but if it makes you feel better about yourself, so be it.

That's not the real CZ.

Stalker, do you really think I care one way or the other? again you must have me confused with someone who gives a crap what you think!

Quit posing.

If you don't care, zirc, why did you bother to respond? Stop stalking me.

Oh shit thanks,,, That reminds me i need to wash something.

angels81, you always use shock words. It must be sad living within those thoughts. but yes, you can take the black haters with the illegals.

How about the white haters? Can they go too?

They can all go..

And you will be going, too?

I love how decendants of immigrants think they are entitled to something because they were born here. What a laugh. Payback is a bitch.

djanimaequeen - "I love how decendants of immigrants think they are entitled to something because they were born here."

They are entitled to something. American citizenship. And it's quite valuable.

Dems I love your humor.

Back at you winston =)'

The Suffragettes were the group of women in the U.S. to fight for e cnomic justice and equality- -regardless of Palin's gripes and practice of discrimination- she is false in her pretense as a female activist as she segregates others whom fight for justice- homosexuals and once people of "color" all had to survive and define freedom as a right for all- not a group of white men. FACT not fiction.
The Suffragettes...watch PBS for specials on their plight...

Only among the colorless.

"Lower Intestinal Disorder"; "scary???" Surely you jest!!! "Her base" consists of ten percent (10%) of the Republican'ts voting bloc. And since the numbers are about twenty percent (20%) who Have the courage to Admit to being Republican'ts, "Her base" is made up of what (?) 2%, 3% or what (?) five percent (5%) of the "Tiny Tent" Voting bloc.

WHAT IS IT you Yahoo's don't understand?????

blBJ 72 You're living a lie..

And your only comment is one that does not address the issue.

Transparent, you are.

"Lower Intestinal Disorder"; "Say it Long Enough, Loud Enough and Often Enough....... And it will become your truth."

I simply say; PROVE that I'm living a Lie!!! Since you've asserted yourself Most Positively - I would expect you to Immediately Prove Your Claim.

I'll ask you in person.

Sure you would...

I would ask for your address but I'm thinking it's not the correct thing to do on here.

So just sit back, watch the maid work, call your wife at work, and post your almost illegible meanderings which prove that it takes little to no education to beat people with a night stick.

the nightstick, very good, jaydeekay.

jaydeekay & Demsdisorder - Why don't you simply agree to meet somewhere? I suggest the Blue Bonnet Mexican Cafe in Denver. I am not a fan of the chili verde, but everything else is great. Afterwards you could tour the US Mint and breakwind at the other tourists, and point at each other as the culprit.

Mexican gives me gas.

I suggest meeting in Moose Balls Alaska.

You betcha.

Jay. you know where i live just let me know when your coming we will have a drink and talk. no weapons=)

MaliciousDisorder - We will all be speaking Spanglish as a national language long before we need to be speaking Mandarin as a national language.

Not as long as theirs a Bill of Rights

nramos33
Excellent, excellent.

nramos33-
What these people don't understand is how grateful we should be that we have friendly neighbors to our north and south.

Because WAR is the name of the game, cheen.

what will be is always in question... nramos33, im all for giving you California if you want it.

nramos33,

What makes you so desperate to be in America? Is it an admission that you haven't the huevos or gumption to make your own country into something as great as America? It has the potential to be awesome. Are you simply an opportunist?

Look at how much effort you're willing to put into coming to America....climb over walls, swim around barriers, hack computers, create false IDs, bribe guards. But when it comes to putting effort into your own country, you must be one lazy ass.

I guess you prefer to tear down rather than to build up. That's why most Americans don't want to allow just anyone and everyone into this country. We want the ones who are motivated to do good, to improve this nation. Doesn't sound like you would qualify.

DD307
I'm both Puerto Rican and Mexican. This is my country! I was born here, speak perfect English, fluent Spanish, several other languages, I'm a college graduate and I'm a scholar. I don't qualify, excuse me, for laughing. I work extremely hard and I'm very much into building both the U.S. and Mexico and making both this country and it's southern neighbor closer together, rather than farther apart.

But so you know, all the work the U.S. has done on the borders does nothing to fix the problem of immigration. It only treats the symptom. Fact is, immigration isn't about desire to live here or freedom. There is way more freedom in Mexico. It is about money. Simple as that. But, there are many of us who love both countries, both cultures, don't see them as mutually exclusive and want to unite and not divide our countries.

Also, Latin American countries do all right by themselves. Look at Brazil who is off of petroleum. Argentina who has elected a female president. Or Mexico which is one of the U.S.'s major suppliers of petroleum.

Demsdisorder
I'm not just talking about California, I'm talking about Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Florida and every other state in the union. Minus Alaska, Sarah Palin can't keep that.

Again nramos33-
Pleas keep posting, you are well acquainted with this issue, and you do a good job.

nramos said:

"This is your land no doubt, for now. But, that's going to change within a 100 years. Enjoy it while it lasts"

And - "immigration isn't about desire to live here or freedom."

And - "It is about money."

And - "Build a wall, we got ladders. Build it high and dig it deep, we can swim around. Have armed guards, we'll hack your computers and insert false IDs. Secure your network, we'll bribe the guards. Face it, you're fighting a losing battle. You won't win. You can't win."

With such a poor attitude like you've exhibited above, to me it doesn't matter how much of a scholar you believe yourself to be. I am not the least convinced that you "love both countries,". If you did, your goal would not be the destruction and abuse of one. Your threats are sad.

When you only value money, someone skimped on teaching you what true values really are.

DD3075
First, I don't value money, in fact I work with non-profits and volunteer at various organizations hundreds of hours a week. Just because I speak about why people come here, doesn't mean that's how I got here. But, I do know many people who came here both legally and illegally and I know why they came because I speak to them. I did however say, people come to this country because of money. Haven't you ever moved to be closer to a job or to a new city in pursuit of a job? If it's cold, you go some place warm. It's a matter of living the most comfortable life possible.

As far as your statement about the "destruction" and "abuse" of the U.S. you must be kidding. Immigrants are not destroying this country. America is being destroyed by greed and incompetence. The U.S. is being abused, not by immigrants, but by people who forgot a long time ago what it's like to be a human being. Instead of understanding people are just trying to live a better life, some people choose to see that their way of life is being threatened. However, the truth is their life is just the same, but those around them are the only thing changing.

If you want to talk about true values, what would those be? Compassion? Caring about the well being of others? Never turning a blind eye toward the poor? Welcoming the disadvantaged? Helping the poor and huddled masses? Understanding the principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness don't have an ethnic group assigned to them and are open to all people?

I'm with those that are seeking a better life. I'm with those willing to risk everything including their lives to provide for their family, friends and town. I'm with those who are downtrodden and fighting to make a name for themselves by working in a kitchen or a classroom.

I don't know who you're siding with, but it's clear it's not with me. And while I respect you and admire you for being outspoken, I disagree with your thinking. I'm still not hearing how the Palin's of the world who don't understand the issues at hand could possibly be worth the time of energy of the American people (North and South).

If people like Palin don't understand the people coming into this country and don't understand the issues, I have no idea how they plan to fix things.

And you're right in the center of it, Mal. Along with Punk and Dems.

AlanD2, I'm confused, are you republican or wish/wash independent or just alien ?

I'm an artificial life form, Mal, imported at great expense from a galaxy far, far away...

"... your side..."

How pathetic.

Sorry, ImNoPUNK, but I can't spare you. It's a DB rule that all conservatives here must be mercilessly ridiculed.

Of course, if you can't stand the heat, ...

I know. Because you're a racist jerk.

where did you come up with that?

Anyone wanna some up for me what American values are?

sum

gun violence, obesity, and divorce?

What are American values? Building a bigger fence around the southern border.

Build it around your own palace winston, you are free to feel free.

*rr

Right, Winnie. Who says the values of the USSR have been lost forever?

American values? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

jaydeekay: Being an American, I was forced to take American History classes in school. There, I was taught American values such as the constitution (had to read it), the Bill of Rights, the Ghettysburg Address, even Kennedy's inaugural address. All of this put in place the understanding of what "we" are as a Americans. THESE are values put in place by our forefathers and by God. It's pretty obvious you missed those classes. Must have gone out and spoked a blunt with your buddy AlanD2.

"clear"thinker,

the constitution is not a "value." neither is the bill of rights, the ghettysburg (sic) address, nor kennedy's speeches. these documents may contain values, but they are not in and of themselves values.

you failed to name a single value, you could have picked any of the following: (1) individual liberty, (2) self-determination, (3) the separation of church and state, (4) participatory democracy for the poor and (later) women and racial minorities, even (5) arrogance and (6) greed.

you could not have picked a worse username.

jaydeekay, take the citizen test already and you'll learn American values if they're not too deep for you to understand.

Clear...

"constitution (had to read it), the Bill of Rights, the Ghettysburg Address, even Kennedy's inaugural address."

What 'values' do these writings and speeches put forth? Can you name them?

Funny, Mal.

the only mud here is in your brain.

I, as a female, resent that comment. Sarah Palin's point of view has nothing to do with women; she is simply one example of a dumb bunny who somehow got in the public eye and now we can't get rid of her. One thing for sure: she and her views do not reflect those of most American women. She is one of a kind (thank goodness).

pclayton-
Have you checked out any conservative "feminist" websites lately? She is not alone, but we are smarter, way smarter.

pclayton I as a woman like Sarah Palin's point of view. So don't speak for me. Be honest, if she is a dumb bunny with that large following of people that love her, I would think you might want to be a dumb bunny someday. I won't even go into all the books she sold, and the book is going into reprint already. I will save that for another day.