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Where does this leave the GOP after this race. Are they going to "purify" every moderate from the party. The House will end up with 3 factions Liberal Dem, Blue Dog Dems and the Christian Taliban (GOP).

Damn anyone/thing that doesn't fall in line with the standard think!

Plant,

You are confused. This topic is about an election in upstate New York.

Apparently the troll Plant has New York and New Jersey confused. No surprise.

Apparently the three idiots above me can't read... Plant was talking about the situation in NJ in relation to what is happening in NY-23. Nowhere in Plant's post did he "confuse" the NJ gov's race with the NY-23 race... that was the libtards' tiny brains playing tricks on them again.

And I agree that the 3rd party candidate should drop out in NJ, but he won't... because he's being propped up by Corzine, and he's simply there to try to bleed enough votes from Christie so that Corzine can retain the governorship... There is no major difference between Corzine and Daggett when it comes to their policies, and Corzine already has a nice cushy job lined up for Daggett should he fulfill his duty and get Corzine re-elected.

If by some miracle Corzine squeaks this one out, there's still no way he gets the majority of votes... most polls show him barely topping 40%. Gonna be real tough to run the state when a minimum of 60% of voters soundly reject your policies right of the bat... or as Democrats like to call it, a mandate!

All the democRATS will fall, one by one

don't count those votes yet; it's not over until the election. and that "beautiful" lady you refer to is more like "The Picture of Dorian Gray".

No, but don't you see? We already won. Who actually wins the race is important, but first things first. And the first thing is to defeat the RINOs.

I know, I know, you're going to say we're cutting off our noses to spite our face (my mother used to say that), but you have to deal with the issue of the RINOs first. If the Republican establishment doesn't get that, well you guys are right, they will be on the verge of extinction.

It's really quite simple. If both the Democrats and the Republicans are going to run the exact same kind of candidate, what do we need the Republican Party for?

I'm telling you, all that talk about how "stupid" Sarah Palin is, is slowly but surely being shown for what it is: Hogwash.

But the lady in Alaska didn't support the Republican Party. At last count only 20% of voters identified themselves as Republican. If you keep supporting radical candidates that number is only going to shrink even more.

"But the lady in Alaska didn't support the Republican Party"

Errrr. Maam, you have to follow the whole story. You can't just jump in having no idea whatsoever what we're talking about.

The whole point I've been making is that of course she wasn't going to support THIS member of the Republican Party.

Oh forget about it.

I don't believe think again is exactly on top of the matter either, that was a peculiar exchange between rear and think, but welcome.

If you look at Hoffman on the issues:

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/issues.html

You will find he is not "far right" whatever that means, he's just NOT A LIBERAL.

I think people make too much of the issues that the far left have as signature issues like abortion and gay marriage, for instance, but fail to notice that they are only 2 of 20 or so important issues, many of which are most definitely mainstream American.

Uncle Newt sez:

"This makes life more complicated from the standpoint of this: If we get into a cycle where every time one side loses, they run a third-party candidate, we'll make Pelosi speaker for life and guarantee Obama's re-election," said Mr. Gingrich, who had endorsed Ms. Scozzafava.- NYTimes

http://snipurl.com/syu09

Now, maybe Newt is an idiot and Palinistas know better.

The latest Sienna poll asked voters who they thought would win on Tuesday and it was Owens on top 37%, Hoffman 22%. This poll was taken before today's events, though.

http://snipurl.com/syu2p

I like Newt, but I think his quote is missing the point. Nobody "lost" anything yet. The entrenched Republican machine "picked" Scozzafava. That's the whole point. They picked her because of everything I've been talking about.

If there had been a Primary, and Scozzafava won, well that's another story. I'd probably agree that running a third party candidate in that case is self-defeating.

It was a Republican, Scuzzyfavor

Worship the dollar.

Yet you were the one who brought up New Jersey, troll plant.

Hoffman doesn't even LIVE in NY 23. It all came down to money and deception.

I find it intresting that you would define Moderate Republicans as cowardice people afraid to stand up for their beliefs.?Unfortunately you are completely wrong..Moderate Republicans are running from the likes of Palin as fast as they can..They are more pragmatic and share a broader world view than the religious minority that she represents.

Alan, apparently not.

By the way, I just called Michael Steele's office and left a scathing message for his lame press release today congratulating Scozzafava for dropping out of the race. If you read Scozzi's release she didn't even back the Republican, she just told her supporters to back whoever they want. That's disgusting to me, and it proves they just don't understand what the stakes are.

Or reardon, maybe she does understand and doesn't want to put her supporters under the bus with the rest of you. And I'm sure Steele is shaking in his boots upon listening to your "scathing message"; LOL.

hfb, I would be surprised if Steele ever even hears my message, but I know for a fact that when they have their executive meetings, someone there will have one tiny little note saying, "some people are pissed off about the way you handled that press release."

I know this from past experience, and they're not so stupid that their going to totally ignore the base.

As far as the "under the bus" goes, well to me it looks more like we're the ones driving the bus.

reardongalt: If you're driving the bus, you must have taken a wrong turn in 2008.

Maybe ...

But you can bet your sweet ass a Blue Dog sure as hell ain't winning in NY-23 !

Gotdammit I hate those Blue Dogs ...

Please do, purify that Democrat party. Twenty percent is too high, go for broke and get the PURE 10% of true believers: 100% Transgendered liberals from the INNER city!

Plantagenet: According to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal Survey [10/25/09]

43% Democrat or lean Democrat
17% Independent
31% Republican or lean Republican

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsjnbc-10272009.pdf

So Democrats are starting out a lot higher than 20%. Besides, we don't have any political purity tests like you guys do. If we did, the blue dogs would be out, and we certainly wouldn't let Joe Lieberman anywhere near us.

Nice try, though...

amen to that square. She is the last person I would want to represent me. Her family life is a mess; she can't stay in any job and finish it to the end. What exactly is her appeal: garbled speech, lack of facts, true nastiness; I could go on but why?

Hey hfb1053...Who gives a shit any more if she can talk.... What counts is you're still talking about her... While she's laughing all the way to the bank.

What "establishment" politicians know is that too win they must appeal to the majority of voters. Your error is that you assume that because you make a lot of noise and appear on Fox that you have a following. Doesn't take too much for a Teabagger to win a seat in a district that has not elected a democrat in 150 years. Actually, Sarah Palin has amply demonstrated that she does not know much more than the small world located in her head. The new conservative party is ignorant of true conservative principles. What you believe is a political movement is nothing more than a group of angry and mostly fundamentalist and undereducated people who are unable to reason and who do not appreciate that they are being stirred up by nothing more than some entertainers and a network looking for profits.

". What you believe is a political movement is nothing more than a group of angry and mostly fundamentalist and undereducated people who are unable to reason and who do not appreciate that they are being stirred up by nothing more than some entertainers and a network looking for profits. "

Oh really?

I grew up in New York, lived half my life there and the other half in California. I have a College Degree and a Technical Certification from Ca in Electron Microscopy. I was one of the highest level Engineers in a World Class Semiconductor Co. in Silicon Valley Ca. during the era of the invention of the personal computer. I am a Catholic, but not very dedicated to it. I obviously know more about Conservatism than you do. I didn't know what "teabagging" meant until Liberals started talking about it, but I'm not surprised that you do Pam. I know that Sarah Palin just threw a monkey wrench into the plans of RINO Headquarters. I'm not angry, I'm furious at what the far left is doing to this Country. I know that while Beck may be entertaining, he's jamming it to the left bigtime.

Oh yes, and I know Sarah Palin is a hell of alot smarter than you are , and she's da bomb.

I also know that the "establishment GOP" had better pay attention, because their turn is coming fast.

How about you?

reardongalt: It makes no difference that there are more conservatives than liberals.

You guys have alienated the independents, and they are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican for many years to come. This is why Obama won in 2008, and this is why he will win again in 2012.

Personally, I think the New York district 23 race represents the start of a major split between conservatives and Republicans. But we will find out for sure during the 2010 election cycle.

Alan, the split started early in Bush's second term, roughly five years ago. Bush turned out to be way too liberal.

I don't know what Independents you're talking about, but the ones in NY 23 are rejecting Obama and the RINOs. They may have voted for Obama in 2008, but they are getting buyers remorse bigtime.

reardongalt: Buyer's remorse?

Then why did Scozzafava throw her support to Democrat Bill Owens?

Buyer's remorse with conservative extremists, perhaps...

And it's goodbye to any presidential or congressional majority hopes too, reardongalt.

Which is to say, in complete obscurity and powerlessness.

Actually, if you knew the area, you would feel silly at claiming a distinction. Hoffman was born and raised in Saranac Lake, a mere 7 miles from where he now lives in Lake Placid. He went to Saranac Lake High School, grew up here, and is well known and highly regarded in the area. That he moved 7 miles to buy a house in what is the next neighboring Village, is of no consequence to anyone who lives here; it is still part of The Adirondack Park, which carries with it, it's own identity separate from Political Lines drawn on a map. This is easily the Iraq of America with Government lines drawn all through it, dividing this from that, to no avail other than Funding itself. In fact, at one point the Village of Saranac Lake and Lake Placid's Police Departments were merged as a cost savings measure, with one Police Chief, as a solution to local funding issues, as well as 'misconduct issues' by the Police themselves which needed some sorting out and was handled successfully. That these two communities are neighbors and are cut from the same cloth escapes no one's attention....at least not here.

If your gas line were to freeze up in the middle of February, causing your battery to die from trying to restart the car, in 20-30 below zero temperatures, you wouldn't hardly care to check the next car to see what Congressional District it came from before first attaching the jumper cables. People here simply help out when there is danger afoot or work to do. It is our common bond and which ensures our common survival.

On the other hand, people here will tell you that should you ever run into a Bear in the middle of the woods, you don't need to outrun the Bear. You just need to outrun the friend who is with you. All is fair at a certain point, now isn't it?

Right about now I suspect crymeariver is off crying himself a river. LMAO!

Thanks for the clarification on the area.

magicman,

the fact remains that he does NOT live in NY 23. You can SPIN it all you want but the bottom line is that you are voting for a man who does NOT live in your district.

Magicman, the Watertown Daily Times disagrees with you:
Hoffman unfamiliar with district issues
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2009

Douglas L. Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, showed no grasp of the bread-and-butter issues pertinent to district residents in a Thursday morning meeting with the Watertown Daily Times editorial board.

In a nearly hour-long session, Mr. Hoffman was unable to articulate clear positions on a number of matters specific to Northern New Yorkers rather than the national level campaign being waged in a three-way race for the vacant seat of now-Army Secretary John McHugh.

Mr. Hoffman spoke only generally about the need to improve the country's economy and to create jobs but provided no details, which were also lacking as well in his broadly stated willingness to help our military personnel. Help in what way he could not say.

Regarding the proposed rooftop highway across the top of the district linking Watertown to Plattsburgh, Mr. Hoffman said only that he was open to studying the idea that has been around for years and will require federal financial assistance to complete.

@ nortonclybourne

That's a pretty astute pick you made there. Watertown is Democrat heaven. The town is banking on Obama's 'Green Energy' Initiatives and is already producing a great deal of renewable energy as things currently stand through the Brookfield Power Co. The town was founded on the back of the Black River which has always produced Hydroelectric for both the town and the Industry which located there. Like many small Industrial Towns in The Northeast, the Industry which was attracted there for cheap power was forced out by high taxes in the State. The problems that Democrats face with voters might be in delivering the goods. So far, losses in revenues as a result of the economy shrinking aren't being replaced fast enough through Stimulus Spending, which has gone to Wall St. only, with nothing left over for anyone else....including Watertown. How long Watertown holds out for The President is anyone's best guess, but I would think that they would be patient with The President in his programs simply because there is a such a long History of renewable energy production in the town, that people might find it hard to imagine anything more useful to do with the town as it has always been an energy producer from it's very founding. That being the case, Watertown could holdout for Obama's 'Green Energy Initiatives' to kick in and which would benefit the town tremendously. The question is simply when? Or, rather, 'Show Me The Money'! That simply hasn't happened yet. Maybe Biden's trip to Watertown on Monday will shed further light on all of the delays, but The People are getting restless waiting, while seeing the economy at large going down the chute with wholesale electric prices dropping to 3.5 cents from 5 cents and less production required as there is also a slowdown in electricity consumption simply as a result of the ever widening economic slump that is ongoing in America these days. This is why programs that would switch energy consumption from Oil to Electric will play well in these areas, but simply haven't materialized as of yet. Hopefully that will change.