In a Wednesday interview on MSNBC, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, currently serving as vice chairman of President Trump's Commission on Election Integrity, cast doubt on the fact that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2016 presidential election. “We will probably never know the answer to that question,” Kobach told host Katy Tur when he was asked whether he believed Clinton won the popular vote by a margin of 3-to-5 million. “Because even if you could prove that a certain number of votes were cast by ineligible voters, you wouldn’t know how they voted.” He then denied that the commission existed solely to validate Trump’s previous comments that he would have won the popular vote if not for ineligible voters being included. The president has previously insisted, without evidence, that illegal votes cost him the popular vote in the election. When asked by Tur if “the votes for Donald Trump that led him to win the election in doubt as well?” Kobach replied: “Absolutely.”