It’s tough out there for struggling, middle-age couples—even those who once lived in the White House. In an interview with Diane Sawyer that aired Monday night, Hillary Clinton revealed that she and former President Bill Clinton owed hefty legal fees after his presidency. “We came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt,” Clinton said. “We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to, you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea’s education. You know, it was not easy.” The former Secretary of State defended the millions in speaking fees the power couple has since earned, saying it’s better than working for one group or company after leaving office. Clinton also spoke about the 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, calling it “more of a reason to run” for president in 2016, rather than not to, and defended her role in the scandal.