The ads for the movie have me cracking up. I told a friend today that Bush will go down in history as the most unpopular president ever. I plan on seeing it wearing my "Obama '08" T shirt.

Who'd a thought, truth from a WH Press Secretary for 43? Is it?

the half dozen reviews I've just read leave me wondering if Oliver Stone understands the lasting effects of starting to drink at an early age. Typically, the alcohol abuser gets emotionally "stuck" at the age when the abuse started, and that can last for a long time, during and after recovery. Of course, it doesn't seem that W. ever went in to a recovery program, and so much of his behavior is that of a cocky adolescent. That seems to me to be at least as important as the father relationship.

I lost my copy of JHK so maybe i'll wait for netflix.I'm hopeing the next great biography will be "O"
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Scottie, you're like a man who thought he was mute and who has suddenly discovered that he can not only speak, but he can sing beautifully.

Your whole face has changed since you woke up from your time in Purgatory. You went from every muscle in your face looking clenched and pasty to looking relaxed, healthy and even happy.

Telling the truth is so liberating, isn't it?

While Bush might not be a simpleton in the literal sense of the word, his conduct has been. His intellectual laziness, incapacity or unwillingness to engage in complex thought or to demand any kind of personal rigor have securely left the nation at the direction and under the complete control of Cheney.

Ruthless Cheney. Puppet Bush. Now for the aftermath...and whatever clean-up is even possible.

I can only hope that history will document who has been the acting President during the two terms of the Administration and that it will take them both fully to account.

It's difficult, if not impossible, to imagine a worse President than George W / Cheney have been at every level of functioning. Nothing, absolutely redeeming. An unjustified, pre-emptive war that was unrelated to the causes of 9/11, that has intensified terrorism, that was sold with lies, which has left Iran the dominant power in the Middle East and Al Qaeda rising in Afganistan. Torture. Blatant and wholesale selling off of government functioning to the highest bidder. And the capstone: an economic meltdown, with 53 trillion in unmet liabilities waiting to bury us all and swallow the future whole.

But the wealthiest of the wealthy had their tax breaks ... and they pandered to the Christian base, so what the hell!

the tragedy that we americans elected Bush. and the brutal ignorance about the lethal nature of islam before 9/11 is it not only of Bush. let see if the daily beast has the courage to write about the despicable regime of saudi arabia.

I can hardly wait to see how OS portrays the current democratic congress in his next movie. What? A 15% approval rating is not low enough to make them worthy subject matter. Unfair!

Is everyone on this thread on Obama's campaign team? ...you're all singing the same talking points I hear on MSNBC every day. How about some original thoughts for a change?

I know what cstuple means about the thread but I've found Beast more "fair and balanced" than the hysterical MSNBC. Loved McCain's line at the Al Smith roast about the padded cell that will be needed, if he wins after all, for over-the-top Olberman

Ah, cstuple! Just because Republicans can't agree on anything anymore doesn't mean the rest of us can't move into the future in enlightened comity! Y'all go on with your cartoonish bellyaching, but please try to keep the noise down, OK? The grownups are busy restoring America's promise.

And, btw, why is it that those who complain about MSNBC being extreme never cite anything statement in particular? Is it because their problem is with the startling extremity of fact and reason? I know how upsetting clarity can be when one is used to wallowing in the mud.

Oh, and I'm always happy to see Mr. McClellan doing honest work. I thought then he was used and lied to when at the White House. No one could have said such things with such a straight face unless he believed they were true.

Nice review, too!

There is no mystery as to why Oliver Stone is releasing his politically motivated film at this juncture. In Hollywood, timing is everything. The intent is transparent.

Wow. . .candor. . .what a novel idea!

I must admit. I love President George W. Bush. I mean by-golly, I voted for him. . .twice! He reminds me of all the Daddy's that would come by the sorority house when I was in college at Ole Miss. They were the well dressed old money Delta Dad's that would swoop into Oxford, take all your friends to dinner, make ya mint juleps in The Grove and talk out their rear ends about business, politics and the stock market (all subjects that not a one has much proficiency).

But. . .I digress. I voted for The Pres because. . .well. . .I would like to have a beer (or mint julep) with the guy. Intellectual accumen be darned. Just like those well dressed Daddy's that still call their wive's "darlin'," who took us to nice dinners and bought us bourbon, I liked him. I trusted him. He got my vote.

Shame on me.

Lesson learned. I still would love to have a beer with the guy, but for my next presidential ballot, I think I will casting my vote for someone with a bit less charm and gumption and a bit more discernment.

look forward to this one..

Hey Scott, I saw your mom the other day at the vet's and told her I was proud of what you (finally) did, coming clean on Bush. She beamed with pride at my praise.

I was sorry later that I hadn't then asked her if she's come back from the Dark Side.

Great review here. You're redeeming yourself everyday.

Hee Hee Hee!

GlobalGramma said it best. Amen!

Not a single penny of domestic funding behind the production... Komrad OS behind the cameras... nothing but leftist, whining Hollywood coward-pukes in front of them... a perfectly-timed 16 days before the election release... and you sniveling, out-of-power Barney Frank wannabes expect anybody... ANYbody... to take this seriously?

Hatchet job... poorly planned and pitifully executed hatchet job.

You all sound like children... especially the MSNBC talking pointers among you. GlobalGramma, you should be ashamed of yourself... so eloquent, yet so doctrinaire.

Come to think of it, why in the hell am I even bothering to notice this drivel?

I need a shower..... or three.

I do not understand why the discussion of Bush's relationship with his father is always in terms of W trying to impress Poppy, as McClellan says here. W's actions, including those McClellan describes, point towards his wanting to show up his father by beating him at his own game, humiliating rather than impressing the first President Bush. Why else refuse to consult with his father, undo many of his policies, reject his fathers correct opinion that going into Baghdad would put us in the middle of a quagmire, etc. The examples are numerous and blatant. W's attitude towards his father was not an attempt to gain his respect, it was a slap in the face. The fight depicted in the movie is ongoing and we all are paying the price for W's unresolved Oedipal issues.

I saw the film this morning in NYC, (a discounted 10am start time for $6, which btw is all any movie should cost) in a big theatre that was very full. I had the same feeling about "W." as I did about the HBO movie "Recount", at times both these movies were hard to watch, they made me feel anger and sad that these things could have happened. At the end of W. there was a good deal of applause. I, on the other hand, hung my head and practically cried. Kudos Scott for a well written review and the courage to share.

Southpaw, answer one question for me. Why do all you repugs resort to childish namecalling and blather every time someone says or writes something you don't agree with? Is it because you never made it past the 6th grade or because schools are so evil?

Why would W's drifting be from "job-to-job?" Why not from job to job, ending with the presidency, for surely he will never have a job again.

Thank you for sharing your views on this. I appreciate your nuanced approach to the topic. As I watched this film, I felt certain that Stone had struck close to home on some things and oversimplified others. Isn't every man burdened with living up to daddy?

I also had a hard time understanding why the Laura Bush character would be interested in W.

The biggest travesty of the film was the Rice character, mostly because the characterization was just too flat and distracting.

Hey Scott, thanks for the review. I'm glad that someone who knows W, enjoyed the movie like a lot of us who don't. After reading your book, and Weisberg's "The Bush Tragedy", I began to realize how ordinary of a person Bush is. Stone's movie reinforced that. No one knows if their decisions would have been any different if they were H. W. Bush's son, Junior. There's a poignant moment with the minister when W points out the great burden that accompanies the silver spoon with which he was raised. I've spent 8 years feeling very outraged at this president's absurd stubborness and thoughtlessness. After reading these books and viewing the movie, I'm surprised I feel empathic for both George Bush 1 and 2. W's combative relationship with Poppy thoroughly shaped his life and outlook.
I'm glad that you thought that the Oedipal issues were relevant. Oh, one more thing: Can u ask the other Republicans to quit insinuating that Obama is connected to terrorists? This BS is so beyond any imaginable partisan desperation. Even W wouldn't sink so low as to accuse a political opponent of being an anti-American terrorist traitor! Right? Please say I'm right

Stone has said that, far from the village idiot, Bush is a man with a terribly sharp sort of animal cunning. I agree that in the film W comes off as a simpleton and to that degree I think Stone failed in realizing his own vision.

McClellan's perspective on visiting the wounded troops is interesting, because when recalling W's shameful "comedy routine" at the correspondents' dinner several years ago where he jokingly hunted around for WMDs in the dining area it was not at all difficult to imagine him showing gross insensitivity around wounded soldiers. So that bit of fact checking is appreciated.