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What If Cheney's Right?
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The former veep had lots of reasons to cross swords with Obama yesterday, writes The Daily Beast’s Reihan Salam. The biggest one may be: He’s setting himself up if Obama fails to protect America from another attack.
The question everyone wants to know is: What's Dick Cheney up to? Well, he's up to a lot. He's fighting a bureaucratic war from the Bush administration. He's firming up his support within the GOP. And he's laying the groundwork for a new campaign that poses a terrifying question: What if Cheney's dark vision of the war on terror is right?
After leaving the White House, Cheney has waged a low-intensity guerrilla campaign against President Barack Obama. But what most observers fail to understand is that this follows directly from Cheney’s high-intensity guerrilla campaign against President Bush that lasted for most of his second term. At the start of his speech yesterday afternoon, Cheney noted that he doesn't speak for George W. Bush. And that might be the understatement of the year.
National security has become part of the culture wars, only with Dick Cheney as the new Jerry Falwell.
Though it's hard to imagine that President Bush is thrilled about every aspect of Obama's defense policy, it for the most part represents a faithful continuation of the kinder, gentler policies Bush pursued during his second term, many of which the former vice president bitterly opposed. After 9/11, Bush was more Cheney than Condi: aggressively unilateral, dismissive of diplomacy, eager to use force. After 2006, as the violence in Iraq threatened to consume his presidency and as Congress and the courts horned in on national-security policy, Bush was more Condi than Cheney. As a candidate, Obama condemned the first Bush and he essentially pretended that the second one didn't exist. Another way of putting this is that Obama declared war on Cheneyism.
While the former president has told the press that his successor "deserves my silence," Cheney has filled the vacuum left by a national Republican leadership in freefall, sensing that only he has the toughness and the credibility to fire back at Obama. We often hear that Cheney is a political liability for Republicans. But according to a new CNN poll, there's been a dramatic eight-point increase in favorable views of Cheney since he left office. While 55 percent of the country still wants him to crawl into the dark hole from whence we found Saddam, 37 percent want him to babysit their child. Well, not quite. It does seem, however, that Republican voters are rallying around the former vice president. Cheney is laying the groundwork for a critique that will have more resonance when the Obama White House, which now seems so deft and effective, stumbles.
For Cheney, the fact that there were no post-9/11 terror attacks on his watch is adequate proof of the value of his policies, including his zealous advocacy of the coercive interrogation techniques Obama has condemned and outlawed. To put it bluntly, the fact that there was no major terrorist attack after 9/11 during the Bush years will be used as a powerful political weapon for many years to come, particularly if al Qaeda manages to kill civilians on American soil ever again. Perhaps Cheney won't explicitly say, "I told you so" if that dark day does come, but he just might. It's worth noting that the absence of a major attack since 9/11 is, as President Bush used to remind the public, not something we can count on, whether or not we waterboad high-value targets. Al Qaeda has inspired a decentralized, world-spanning movement that is constantly plotting new and creative ways to murder Americans, whether in Bali or Mumbai or, chances are, an American city near you. The truth is that we've been lucky.
The real driver of America's homeland-security success has been the military's talent for killing and capturing members of al Qaeda and its allies at a ferocious clip. The Obama White House has embraced this approach with gusto, which is why neoconservative hawks have given the president the benefit of the doubt. To the consternation of international human-rights watchdogs, the new national-security team has sharply increased its targeted killings in al Qaeda strongholds. A number of Democrats, including many who backed Barack Obama during the campaign, have argued that calling the fight against al Qaeda a war is a mistake. It's clear, though, that Obama himself rejects that view, and that he is willing and eager to use the war-making powers he's inherited from Bush, including the use of military detention without trial and military commissions and other measures that fill civil libertarians with hair-pulling rage.
So why does the fight over Guantánamo and waterboarding matter when Obama has adhered so closely to a Bush-era strategy? National security has become part of the culture wars, only with Dick Cheney as the new Jerry Falwell. It doesn't matter that Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan or that he's embraced rendition. To Cheney, Obama's anti-torture stance represents the moral vanity of a naïve one-worlder.
We'll be hearing much more about this new culture clash. During the hearings on Obama's first Supreme Court appointment, Republicans will spend more time hammering the Democratic nominee on Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and Boumediene v. Bush than about Roe v. Wade. At the moment, Obama looks untouchable. But the politics of national security could prove his undoing.
Reihan Salam is a fellow at the New America Foundation and the co-author of Grand New Party.









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It is your OPINION that Cheney is not right. Not everyone thinks the way you do.
It doesn't matter what everyone thinks... The US has drawn a line in the sand about what is "right" and what is "wrong". Enhanced interrogations, like waterboarding or throwing someones head against a wall is torture. That is WRONG. It doesn't matter what yours or anyone elses opinion about that is. IT IS WRONG.
No not everyone just the VAST MAJORITY of Americans.
If Cheney was right their would be WMDs in Iraq their are none.
Cheney is a liar FACT no opinion needed.
Torture is a warcrime fact no opinion needed.
I agree not everyone thinks that way, there are always going to be ignorant hayseeds. What really gets me is how long it took everyone to figure out that these guys were crooks. How the hell did they win in '04. I am a nobody, but I read the news. I KNEW they would push for Iraq in '99 by listening to Bush's campaign speeches, I KNEW there were no WMD's in Iraq before the war by watching Scott Ritter telling everyone who would listen (when they came up with those kiddie porn charges to shut him up I knew he was right), I KNEW they were torturing people back in 03-04 just by listening to their comments.
Why is this such a surprise and where are the modern day Woodward's and Bernstein's? Would anybody listen anyways?
Try some FACTS on for size: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/68643.html
remember the VAST MAJORITY is usually WRONG
Apparently not everyone thinks.
so just when was cheney right? 8/2001 nie memo entitled, "bin laden determined to strike in the u.s." ignored and 3000 innocent men, women and children killed. "we know for certain has wmd's" almost 4500 young americans killed in a war ginned up by lies and disinformation. tens of thousands of young americans severely damaged from lack of up-armored humvees and deficient body armor. "torture worked" denied by someone who was in the room when torture was done as well as the fbi, military generals and even some intelligence officers.
Mr. "Dick " Cheney needs to stfu. He is a foul, evil man who dictated many of the failed policies of the Bush administration. The concept of the "scare the population into submission" is absurd. Mr. Cheny, Sir, we have had quite enough of you. Do everyone a favor and step aside. Let decent people do their jobs. I'm sure, we'll be plenty safe!
WHY?......when in US political history has a former VP or any other position been allowed a soap box of this magnitude?
ultra-conservative radio talk show host gets waterboarded and........guess what?
it's "torture, absolutely"
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
I think Cheney is praying for a terrorist attack just so he can say, "I was right."
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this is the craziest thing i have ever seen here is a person that for eight years never told anyone any thing and now all these same folks that never said a word for eight years and now especially morning joe and his crew are just astonished that obama will not do what cheney wants is this crazy or what
Release the information on whether the enhanced interrogation techniques worked........... This is what I, and many Americans, want to know.
We know they failed. That's already known. All Dick's asking for is two CYA pages out of many thousands of memos that bury him.
Have they started the War Crime trails yet. We need to have Cheney in Jail sooner than later. This is one sick man that ran our Country for 8 years while Bobble Head just rode his bikee.
That is exactly right. Why won't Obama release the memos Cheney wants him to? That would put an end to the speculation. Let the American people decide.
I understand that the memos in question are part of an ongoing lawsuit. There is a Bush era executive order banning the release of any documents that are attached to any lawsuit. Now, why Obama doesn't rescind that executive order is another question.
America already decided. We decided to reject the Bush/Cheney doctrines and elected Obama. We decided that we want the Democrats to run the country. And we decided that an old white war hero was not up to the job.
In addition to them being part of a lawsuit, it is part of international intelligence standards to never release information obtained through enhanced interrogations and/or torture. When any country obtains information from tortured detainees, it is often rated beyond top secret; it's not just some memo requesting whether or not waterboarding is legal.
Secondly, this is just a subpoint to the overall arguments. You want to know only (A) was waterboarding effective? It may or may not be, much evidence points to it being less than or equal to conventional methods of interrogations.
You ignore the other two points (B) is waterboarding/torture legal and (C) is waterboarding/torture ethical. You can arrive at (B) only through some very obscure twists of the law. The international red cross, who, according to the Geneva Conventions, has deemed waterboarding as torture. As they are the deciding factors on what constitutes as war crimes for the Geneva Conventions, the US has committed a war crime. QED. We may have our own battles to deal with domestically with waterboarding's legality and who authorized it. Regardless, internationally IS illegal.
(C) most people agree that waterboarding/torture is unethical. Do not mix (A) and (C) up. Waterboarding could end up being effective, but it is still not ethical.
Obama can release these memos if he wants, lawsuit or not. He won't, why?
Whether it worked or not doesn't make it ok, because the same info could have been obtained without torturing the detainees. If Cheney were right, he wouldn't resort to lies to make his case. Did you notice what he said about Iraq? He referred to Iraq as a nation with the capacities to build WMDs. See the change? he used to say that Saddam had WMDs. He talks about "tens of thousand Americans that might have been killed if..." It's all in the style.
not because "the same info could have been obtained without torturing," but because it's against the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture, both of which we have signed.
agreed. plus it is grossly unethical
Please. Do you think asking Khaled Sheikh Muhammed and Ramzi bin al Shibh a few pointed questions would have gotten anything out of them. Wuss bags, this is a tough mean world - cold hearted. You ...we need mean grumpy guys like Dick Cheney to do the dirty work that is necessary in order to preserve our way of life. Is waterboard torture... yes, but is it on the same level as say ... cutting off fingers, burning testicles? No, it is not, it's psychological torture... much like listening to 50 cent (rapper). You can't drown the subject but you can sure scare the hell out of him.
There is a great amount of recent testimony, by U.S. government interrogators who know, that not only do these approaches NOT work -- they were counter productive. One major terrorist who had been responding to his interrogators who treated him humanely, shut up entirely when C.I.A. contractors started torturing him - and the original interrogators had to be brought back in order to get him to talk again. Cheney is the biggest terrorist in the world -- and a sadist as well as a liar.
The truth is that if America is attacked again by Al-Qaeda, it will be the direct result of the Bush/Cheney administration. Here are the reasons:
1) The absolute best opportunity to destroy the Al-Qaeda terrorist group and Bin Laden came after the invasion of Afghanistan. They were cornered and in disarray. The USA should have brought in enough troops to capture/kill Bin Laden and his terrorists. Next we should have used our resources to rebuild Afghanistan into a viable nation. This could have been done for a fraction of the cost of the Iraq war and would have prevented the Taliban from rebuilding. Instead Bush/Cheney redirected resources to Iraq and the resulting botched war. THIS ALLOWED AL-QUEDA AND THE TALIBAN TO ESCAPE, REORGANIZE, AND REBUILD!
2) The unnecessary Iraq war and the associated torture policies have provided a HUGE recruitment tool for Al-Qaeda which has allowed them to become bigger and more of a risk.
I believe that there is a high risk that Al-Qaeda will strike the USA again sometime in the future (they are very patient). If that happens, it will be the direct fault of Bush/Cheney due to the above reasons.
What if fish knew how to churn butter?
What if light bulbs could do arithmetic?
What if Dick Cheney is right?
Does Tina keep you around just to rile up readers with your idiocy? And what in holy hell do you mean "if Obama fails to protect us from another attack"? Nice framing, there. Show me one article you've ever written that suggests Bush and Cheney "failed". Just one.
Has no one noticed that:
1--Bush-Cheney failed to protect us from the first attack;
2--B-C started a war in Iraq that is ongoing and helped destablized the Middle East in the process;
3--B-C opened Gitmo with no strategy to deal with the inevitable future fall out from it--just leave it for the next guy to clean up;
4--B-C authorized use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" that are in opposition to every international treaty we are party to--and made sure their crack DoJ attorneys ruled these techniques were legal;
5--B-C had the full authority and ability to declassify the very documents Cheney is demanding be declassified now, but felt preserving its executive authority was more important than telling the American public the truth;
6--Cheney hid in a bunker for most of his Vice Presidency, but now cannot stop talking about things over which, thank God, he can no longer control?
Cheney is a frustrated control freak who is angry because he is no longer calling the shots. Does he believe what he says? Probably, but his beliefs are a reflection of his cynical, authoritarian personality. And that mindset explains very well his attitude toward torture--you do anything and everything to TRY to make someone bend to your will--whether what you do is moral or whether the "information" you extract has value or veracity.
Bush-Cheney won the 2004 election by effectively scaring people to death about the possibility of another 9/11 type attack...it worked. And Cheney is at it again.
Best comment of the thread.
On a side note here, remember when the rightwingers always said we had to support the CiC in a time of war? And if we didn't we were putting our country and the troops in danger?
Well, what in the hell is Cheney doing now? And the rest of the remaining dying republican congress critters?
Very well said!
Are you in one of those Spock mind melds because you are taking the words right outta my head, but so much more succinctly stated!!
Bush - Cheney had only been if office 9 months when the first attack happened. Clinton should had killed Osama when he had the chance instead of laying up in the Oval Office getting head.
No, Saddam & the UN fooling around started the war along with WMD reports. All of Congress agreed even the Democrats.
Opened Gitmo because no other place to put them. Looking back now should have just killed them in the field.
Authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques" because it was legal & this war has nothing to do the Geneva rules as they do not fight in uniforms.Besides they only did it to 3 people to get the information they needed to stop other attacks.
Should not have realeased documents as they only help our enemies & infuriate them more causing more harm to our troops. The documents Cheney wants released only verifies what information they were able to get out of those that were waterboarded. The American people should be happy we were protected, demanding the truth as you call it may be more then you could handle.
How do you come up with him living in a bunker during his Vice Presidency? I guess you can't see for the blinders you wear!
Cheney is trying to keep us safe, even idiots like you! Go ahead & keep on following Obama we know he has forgotten his "transparency bull" as there is not one person that read that first bill he rushed through. He trys to keep every thing under the table. He embarrases the entire country by going to other countries telling them how bad we are. He is the most Unamerican I think I have ever seen. He talkes out both sides of his mouth & wants to spread the wealth. I'm sorry but I was raised the harder you work the more you & your children have & you give to charities & those you want to give to.
You certainly don't take from me to give to people that want the government to give you everything.
Talk about fear, Obama got that bill rushed through by putting the fear in everybody that our econony was about to fall into total disaster. He gives all this money to all these banks & now won't let them pay it back because he wants total control over the private sector. Capitalism is what makes our country work. I want to live in freedom not in socialism or fascism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Egw7777, You said;
"Authorized "enhanced interrogation techniques" because it was legal & this war has nothing to do the Geneva rules as they do not fight in uniforms.Besides they only did it to 3 people to get the information they needed to stop other attacks."
Ever consider changing your name to egw666 ?
Thank you. This guy is a hack.
This is mindless. I wouldn't doubt if these documents show they received some intelligence while we were torturing people. That's not the fuckin' point.
It's illegal to water board. It's especially illegal to justify Cheney's Iraq war to try and find a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
Now, I understand Cheney thinks undermining confidence in Obama is some fucking game to that piece of crap. It's not.
Anybody read Mcahievelli?
There will be another terrorist attack on the US. Sooner or later, it will happen, because it has been happening all over the world.
Nobody can stop them all.
So when it happens, will that prove Cheney right?
Really?
Bingo!
The latest would be "terrorists" were funded by the F.B.I. -- and were/are totally incompetent. I seriously doubt if anything Cheney ever did has had any effect in reducing "terrorist" attacks of any kind. The information about the planned attack on the World Trade Center was available to Bush-Cheney (and yes, I agree, to Cliinton as well) when they took office - and they did NOTHING to prevent it. It played right into their hands. Statements they made while running for office in 2000 made it obvious they were going to attack Iraq and were just waiting for an excuse -- which was provided by a group of Saudis! Can you beat that? Saudi jihadists attack the U.S. so Bush-Cheney attack Iraq! That's logic for you.
Some people needs lessons on causation.
There have been no terrorist attacks since I moved into my new apartment.
The methods our military has used to kill and capture people in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to our military's numbers, has dramatically increased the number of terrorists in Iraq.
[[ At most any time in Iraq the DoD claimed between 15-20 thousand insurgents, even after we killed or captured 75 thousand of them ]]
After the original WTC bombings the Clinton administration brought the bombers to justice using legal means and working with the international community. He kept us safe for 8 years using proven, effective, and legal intelligence gathering techniques and, again, working with the international community in good faith. He left clear intelligence for the Bush administration that Bin Laden was a threat and was determined to attack us again. Bush/Cheney dropped the ball and instead obsessesd about 'correcting' the 'mistake' that Pappy Bush had made in not taking out Saddam Hussein. They spent seven months ignoring reports about the activities of Bin Laden while the FBI ignored reports from field agents about Middle Eastern individuals who were taking flight classes to only learn how to fly and turn jumbo-jets. Cheney and others are now admitting that in the aftermath of 9/11 the Bush administration was acting out of fear and panic: That is the exact excuse that Rice, Cheney, and others have used to explain and justify the actions they took. It is now coming out that the captured Iraqi officials were cooperating with interrogators and were giving good information using standard interrogation techniques, but when they did not provide the Al-Qaeda/Saddam link needed to justify the Iraq invasion the Bush administration authorized the use of torture to try to get that connection. All of this is being used as a recruiting tool for Al-Qaeda. Cheney has not kept us safe, he has made us more open to attacks than ever.
You make an excellent point...Nobody seems to remember that Clinton kept us safe , and we weren't attacked while he was in office, as we were when Bush and Cheney were in office.
I am sure that you, as most Americans, are sick of Cheney. All one has to do is look at videos from the past, and there is no other way to say this... he is lying continuously.
this is the most fearful game of musical chairs ever... a president does much more than protect a nation for 4 to 8 years, they sow the seeds of future attacks or goodwill by their actions.
the children suffering will grow older (well, not all of them, we are trying our best, after all.) they will be hardened, bitter and facing few prospects. there are many people hating us, and each of them will continue to do so decades after a president has left office.
'kept us safe for 8 years"?
here's the list that followed the 1993 bombings in NY and occured in those 8 years that you are so proud of :
-khobhar towers saudi arabia 1996 ;19 americans killed
-Embassy bombings kenya , tanzania 1998 ;12 americans killed
-Bombing USS Cole 1998 ;34 americans killed
-one could also make a case that it was 8 years of treating these as law enforecement cases that led to 9/11 and not less than 8 MONTHS of the Bush administration. Al-qaeda and the plans and organization didnt magically spring to life in jan 2001.
- It was the clinton justice department (with the current AG in attendance) that promulgated the instruction (by asst AG Gorelick) that there was to be a strict firewall between the FBI and the CIA.....this was SOLELY to 'protect' the rights of CIA targets who were not afforded FBI investigative protections, and also to protect the targets of FBI wiretaps if those wiretaps were fully shared with the CIA. It was the inability of the CIA to legally share info with the FBI and vice versa that contributed to this mess
Is it possible that THIS is why the FBI/CIA couldn't famously "connect the dots"?
you're living in a revisionist mindset
You missed the point - if Bush is claiming he "kept us safe" after 9/11, you have to admit by any measure that Clinton "kept us safe" even better.
The overseas attacks you cite don't even add up to 100 Americans killed. Meanwhile, Bush sent 200,000 Americans into harms way, even after his daddy called Iraq a "hornet's nest". Bush did not keep the 4,295 troops in Iraq who were safe - they kept him safe.
Don't be fooled into thinking 9/11 is not a law-enforcement issue by defense industry profiteers. It was a few dozen underground terrorists working out of multiple countries and should have been handled through patience and infiltration. Instead, we have 8 years of futile, useless wars. No Osama, no democracy, no peace, no security and generations of burdensome debt. How do you defend that?
You're kidding right? If we are going to use your standards then every act of terrorism in the world the last 8 years that involved Americans has to be blamed on Bush.
What about the bombings in Europe? Bali?
Every IED that kills an American soldier is an act of terror then.
Your argument is a weak and losing one.
That is a grand total of 73 people, none of which were killed on US soil. On the other hand there were close to 3000 killed in the WTC and right at 5000 in the Iraq war of choice.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
That person responsible for the first WTC bombing was captured on our soil.
The detainees at Gitmo were captured on foreign soil. I think that changes the method of how they should be tried.
Clinton kept us safe? On our soil, yes, but around the world, no. Bush kept us safe from terror on our soil. Ever wonder what Obama would have done??
Really?
Did Clinton have intel warning of the '93 WTC bombing? No
Did Bush have intel warning of Al Qaeda hijackers using planes as WMD's? Yes
Bush/Cheney failed to act on intelligence to stop the attack.
Clinton didn't keep us safe around the world? Then what in the hell has Bush done? Remember the London, Spain, Bali bombings? What about every suicide attack in Iraq.
Stop with the revisionist history and stop with the immoral defense of the Bush Administration.
Uh Carole Bush kept us safe on our soil? There was this pretty big event on 9/11 if you haven't heard about maybe you should do some fancy book learnin.
I'll tell you one thing that Obama wouldn't have done: Read "My Pet Goat" with a deer-in-the-headlights look for seven minutes.
The only test so far for Barack Obama has been the pirate thing off Somalia. He nailed that one with no problem.
The next test, he'll nail, too, because he won't waste time jobbing out the solution to crony contractors.
Aren't you all forgetting that Clinton used rendition? Sober up!
thank you for saying this very clearly. I appreciate your input.
Cheney is psychotic and as far right as one can get.
Which begs the question, why does anyone swallow one of his stories whole hog without question?
His first big story is yet to be verified by a valid inquiry because it was tainted with tortured testimony.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/911-conspiracy-theorists-take-hit. html
I think Cheney is a pathological liar.
Not to mention Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, - oh, the list goes on and on
"Which begs the question, why does anyone swallow one of his stories whole hog without question?"
Especially regarding 9/11. Remember that Cheney and Bush stonewalled the idea of forming a commission to investigate 9/11 for over a year, only relenting when allowed to dictate the scope of it (no questioning of the official myth) and dictate the terms by which they would testify, namely not under oath, together so their stories can't be contrasted, behind closed doors, with their attorneys present and with no notes allowed to be kept and no recordings allowed to be made.
BOO
I think people forget that we were attacked under Bush and Cheney. It has been documented that they ignored warnings, and 9/11 could have been prevented. WHY did they invade Iraq instead of focusing on where Osama bin Laden was? Those are the answers Cheney should be answering, and not with lies!
And 3000 people were killed in that attack because of Bush/Cheney AND over
FOUR THOUSAND American soldiers were killed for NO GOOD REASON.
"WHY did they invade Iraq instead of focusing on where Osama bin Laden was?"
Because the so-called "War on Terror" isn't about terrorism anyway. After setting up the pro-U.S. puppet government in Afghanistan that got them their pipeline agreement it was on to the far larger prize of oil-rich Iraq, where the center of gravity of the future of the world's oil production will be located. It's all about energy resource dominance. The world is getting down to the last phase of the Oil Age.
There IS NO "what if Dick Cheney is right". Terrorism is just that, terrorism. It happens at a moments notice and there is absolutely no surefire way to intercept all attempts. Why do so few people choose to ignore that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld HAD information about an impending terrorist attack on the United States prior to Sept. 11th, but were so arrogant as to believe they wouldn't dare attack us on our own soil. They FAILED to protect. It likely will happen again, and it's got nothing to do with who is president at the time. And, what about domestic terrorism?
There is no absolute way to prevent all acts of terrorism. The United States has been very lucky so far, compared to many overseas nations.
Let's be clear---Bush and Cheney did NOT protect America. They were in charge on 9/11. I am getting really sick of this ommission.
I keep hearing, they kept us safe from "another" attack.
WTF: What about the first attack? They gloss over this fact as if the loss of lives on 9/11 don't matter.
Cheney is really upset that he is no longer President of the United States (yes..I intended to say President).
He now is trying to continue his control of America (and Americans) via the media. American's didn't vote for Cheney last Fall....or a republican for that matter. He makes me ill.
A-Men! I agree with you, wholeheartedly!
The more Cheney yaks, the more he proves himself to be less than intelligent.
What if Lord Vader and the Imbecile Prince had actually paid attention to the legitimate CIA intelligence that was screaming in their faces in August 2001?
" Al Qaeda has inspired a decentralized, world-spanning movement that is constantly plotting new and creative ways to murder Americans, whether in Bali or Mumbai or, chances are, an American city near you. The truth is that we've been lucky."
God the fearmongering I'm not even going to bother with this tread.Is that the only thing neocons have 9/11 is coming soon to a city near you ?seriously?
Waterboarding is torture.
Torture is illegal was used to justified Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11.
If it works or not doesn't matter (it doesn't if it did we wouldn't even be in Iraq) it's stile a war crime.
Endlessly amazing to me, an American, that America is having a debate about TORTURE.
You'd think we're the Khmer Rouge or something. We're on the same list as the Khmer Rouge when it comes to TORTURING OUR PRISONERS! That this doesn't make 99 percent of Americans sick to their stomachs -- utterly baffling.
Even if/when America is attacked again -- it won't legitimize torture techniques that have been condemned worldwide and have been proved ineffective for generations.
Suicide bombers' families are paid from the proceeds of drug sales and smuggling of the heroin manufactured from the opium poppy in Afghanistan.
Obama talked about a (contra constitutional) legal regime - a not exactly legal papering to keep people locked up without any proof or trial. That is not us!
File film of Guantanamo shows men in white, loose fitting not-exactly-prison garb, reading the Koran. "Only the innocent are called to Allah's bosom."
Bush received a morning brief paper 'Obama planning to use airplanes for a domestic attack in America.' (Words to that effect). What we need to see is the documentation behind the brief paper. On what intelligence information in our possession at that time, was the Brief paper written?
Well it's all CLASSIFIED. But I suspect that as long as the intelligence people are NOT asleep at the wheel, there won't be any more attacks.
Remember 9/11. The terrorists were learning how to fly the planes, but not how to land them, and when this was reported the FBI and others cast a blind eye and a deaf ear. That needs to be revisited! (at least michael s levinson dot commie tells me so)
Osama not Obama. Golly iamb asleep my apologies for failing to poof read
Nothing like jumping on the Cheney bandwagon of hoping America gets attacked . He has already overseen the deaths of roughly 8000 Americans and the maiming of tens of thousands more. Placing all his political collateral on adding more deaths is not surprising. Cheney displays the characteristics of a paranoid fearful pseudo-man
You don't ever hear or see photo ops of Cheney (or for that matter Bush, or Rumsfeld) visiting the hospitals where our maimed troops are in rehabilitation.
Nope! You don't see photo ops because the hospitals with our guys all shot up are not in their itinerary.
what most left wing bleeding hearts dont realize, is that by following their prescription that those who would kill us have the same rights as an american citizen on american soil , they are setting themselves up for a potentially big surprise.
Now, any attack on American soil will result not only in a repudiation of their policies, but a sharp turn to the right that may cost us a lot more of our liberties than they can now imagine.
Mr Obama staed that as commander in chief, he has seen all the intelligence, and
" I am responsible for the safety of the american people"
Lets hope that sound byte doesnt become part of a future campaign ad by an opponent.
So we should all become cold hearted sadistic radical Neo Cons? Sorry your breed is fast on it's way to extinction and has been REJECTED by Americans.
Another terrorist attack on US soil wouldn't prove Cheney "right" about anything, of course. However, there would likely be a sizable and very vocal group that would make this silly argument.
In my view another terrorist attack in this country is inevitable because, at some point, motive will meet means. The more people have the motive, the more likely it becomes that some will find the means. This is simply the law of probability. So, if US policy creates more hatred than it alleviates, chances are we will experience the blow back.
As soon as I saw the headline I knew it was you that wrote this article. Are you writing this article just in case we are attacked again and the press will suddenly want your expertise because you thought Cheney might by right?
This is SICK beyond belief. Republicans want Obama to fail so that they can rise to power. they want people to die, lose their jobs and their homes so that they can rise to power. That party will be punished for this.
EXACTLY!! And these people call themselves Americans. Republicans that want the President to fail so they can be right are TERRORISTS and in my opinion are guity of treason and should be hanged like the monsters they are. I didn't vote for Bush but never in my wildest dreams did I want him to fail because if he fails (which he did) American fails (which we have). I would never wish that to happen because, unlike Republicans, I LOVE MY COUNTRY no matter who's in office!
I simply find it incredulus that Cheney is taking credit for the fact that we were not attacked again after 9/11. If the Bush administration had been on top of security from the start we would never had been attacked to begin with. And doesn't one have to wonder why it was on Bush's watch that we were attacked in the first place? For Cheney and the GOP to defend their unlawful and dispicible practice's is to go against the very laws this country was founded on.
Cheney is a politican, he is now trying to defend the actrocities he and Bush committed while in office to try and salvage their reputation. It doesn't matter how much time passes, I will never believe that the Bush administration governed in the best interests of this country or it's people.If the republican party thinks that putting Cheney out there will boost the party's image, think again. A crook's a crook, no matter how many times they say different.
Thank you.
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