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BS Top - Beinart South Carolina Mark Wilson / Getty Images The Anti-Defamation League is up in arms over two South Carolina Republicans’ revival of an old stereotype. Peter Beinart asks: Is calling Jews thrifty really so offensive?

This week, in an act of vicious anti-Semitism, Edwin O. Merwin Jr. and James S. Ulmer, chairmen of the Bamberg County and Orangeburg County, South Carolina, Republican parties, respectively, co-authored an op-ed in which they accused Jews of taking good care of their money. “Jews who are wealthy,” they wrote, “got that way not by watching dollars but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves.” Then they compounded the offense by suggesting that South Carolina Republican Senator Jim DeMint shares those Hebraic virtues. Local Democrats quickly called their statement “disgusting” and “unconscionable,” and demanded that they resign. Now Merwin and Ulmer are apologizing like their political lives depend on it, which, of course, they do.

Suggesting that Jews have prospered by cheating gentiles would indeed be anti-Semitic. But suggesting that Jews have disproportionately prospered because they’re honest and frugal, which is what Merwin and Ulmer suggested, is the exact opposite.

I share the outrage at this hate crime. In fact, in an act of solidarity, I too hereby apologize. For my entire life, at bar mitzvahs, around Shabbat tables, even while I was supposed to be davening in shul, I too have accused Jews of possessing good economic habits and prospering as a result. (Though, in my defense, I have never gone so far as to suggest that those good habits were shared by the GOP.) Speaking to Jewish audiences, I have repeatedly defamed my people by recounting Milton Himmelfarb’s famous line that “Jews earn like Episcopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans.” The fact that my fellow Jews invariably reacted to this comment with laughter rather than calls to the Anti-Defamation League is a sign, I suppose, of how widely this cancer extends. Some listeners, I am duty-bound to report, even reprimanded me for suggesting that Jews only earn as much as Episcopalians when, in fact, they insisted, we surely earn more.

Given how widespread this form of anti-Semitism has become, even within the Jewish community itself, it is worth asking: What, exactly, did Merwin and Ulmer do wrong? They spread ancient and vicious stereotypes about Jews, of course. But where is the ancient and vicious stereotype? If it’s anti-Semitic to say that Jews have disproportionately prospered in the United States, then let’s condemn Nathan Glazer, Himmelfarb, and all the other sociologists who have studied the question. That Jews have disproportionately prospered in the United States happens to be manifestly true, which raises the question of why. Suggesting that they have done so by cheating gentiles—by prioritizing money over integrity, beauty, or patriotism—would indeed be anti-Semitic. That charge has gotten a lot of Jews killed over the millennia. But suggesting that Jews have disproportionately prospered because they’re honest and frugal, which is what Merwin and Ulmer suggested, is the exact opposite. It is, in fact, the most benign explanation for Jewish economic success. Which is why Jews generally favor it themselves.

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October 21, 2009 | 8:11pm
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neverlate

Seems like a compliment to me? We have movies called white men can't dance, and I don't see the knee jerk indignation.

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8:59 pm, Oct 21, 2009
case1234

Why does it seem that no matter what someone says or does there is always a dailybeast writer ready to defend it? look back.. someone defended Joe Wilson's outburst, Kanye's interruption, the GOP's Olympic response, Serena's tirade. What will not be defended these days?

Singling out a single ethnicity using terminology closely related to old nasty stereo-types whatever the benign intent is tone deaf at best and strikingly stupid at worst.

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11:46 pm, Oct 21, 2009
anna2000

he defends, because we gotten way to PC lately. you can't either coment or complement anyone, without being censored. What is up with that?

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8:08 pm, Oct 22, 2009
candykane

I noticed you didn't mention Grayson from central Floriday. He made the floor of Congress look like an SNL skit. Nice expenditure of taxpayer dollars. But hay, its only the republicans who say off the wall statements. Another name for bias is prejudice, or bigotry. But democrats are perfect little angels and don't do that.

I digress. Its nice to know someone is still exercising their free speech before the thin skinned Thought Police come out in force. For crying out loud it was a compliment. The Thought Police are getting too Big Brotherish and their little "educated" (more like indoctrinated) toadies are letting them. Oooooh can't say that. Ooooh can't say this. Grow up! Don't you understand what happens when you continuously falsely accuse folks of stuff. You actually achieve what you don't want. People are tired of being falsely accused of racism. They are getting mad! Stop being a toady social experiment to see how much free speech you can curtail.

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9:49 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Fritz77

Yeah, and they featured Benjamin Disraeli and his racially oppressive colonial ways as hip. It seems like they are trying to be counterculture or subversive (or something like that) as a way of looking like they really think about the issues.

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1:47 am, Oct 23, 2009
estcruzer

As usual, what people say says more about them than about what they are saying. Why would a couple of savvy politicians (or have all the savvy people left the GOP?) express a stereotype, even if it was a "compliment"? Did they think they would garner the Jewish vote? Or were they using the stereotype to some other political end? For instance, shifting blame - the way the Nazi's did in Germany? Do they really think that "all" Jews are thrifty and rich? Who was the audience for these off hand remarks - what was the real intention? What was the context?

Let's say it was politics. What do we know about Southerners? Oops - let's not get carried away, like these politicians did. Well, what do we know about Jews - as an electorate they are a minority (so am I, come to think of it) - but every little bit helps - so you want your compliments to count. Something like "you are thrifty" certainly might make those who are proud of being thrifty get behind you in the next election (or not), of course for some of us it might not ring true - so what are we to think - the guy is sort of stupid about us - so he loses some votes. Now think about all the people he is not mentioning in his scathing remarks. What do they think.

Well if they are bigots, prejudiced with reason (not always rational) then they might think Ah Ha that's why I can't get ahead and these politicians know it - maybe they will help me squash these people that aren't me and are probably responsible for hurting me. In these trying times (cliches abound) there might be more votes in this latter group than in the small cache of Jews that are easily flattered. Could that be the "context" in which these remarks were made? Who knows, certainly the media and legal storm hasn't clarified what messers Edwin O. Merwin Jr. and James S. Ulmer had in mind when the let slip that infamous gratuity. Should we just ask them? Should we trust what they say (remember they chose to be politicians)?

Speaking of which where is the Politicians Anti-Defamation League when you need it? They would certainly be a very busy group right now.

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10:07 am, Oct 23, 2009
terrah

"Tone deaf and strikingly stupid" describe people who want to fume over trifles. In your own words, "benign intent" means just that. Taking offense where none was intended is its own form of defamation-- its own fascism! It paints you as silly, bigoted, and petty. When you punish people who disagree, you strike a blow at free speech. You also dilute the power of any case against TRUE defamers, which is counterproductive and cruel.

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12:32 pm, Oct 23, 2009
JohnnyBeagle

It's okay to say whatever one wants about "White Men" because "White Men" are evil. At least that's the currently accepted notion by acedemia and the rest of the politically sensitive.

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8:14 am, Oct 22, 2009
sangsue

Excuse JohnnyBeagle but when did being Jewish mean that you're not "white?" I guess if you believe what the KKK does.

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11:35 am, Oct 22, 2009
zizanie

And then there are the French. A vast portion of America is always ready to bash that entire, diverse nation with out-of-date cliches and stereotypes...although some of the people doing that are, er, those same white men.

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11:16 am, Oct 23, 2009

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1:15 pm, Oct 23, 2009
louiexiii

they cant dance...

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11:13 am, Oct 22, 2009
Airman-1st-Class

I am jewish, I do not consider myself white, jews are not white people. I think they may be over doing this a little though I'm sure the man like many other men who aren't used to other cultures and sensitivity, said what he said because he didn't know how to say it the right way. With that said if Jews were so rich why did I join the military! Haha

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3:17 pm, Oct 22, 2009

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1:17 pm, Oct 23, 2009
Airman-1st-Class

Morecowbell-Are you Jewish? I find it wierd that you would consider yourself white? Jews are the chosen people according to God correct? So what your saying is white people are the chosen people? -Nothing against white people at all but I just think its funny when in our country people that are white claim to be everything from Indian to Hebrew lol. I don't consider myself non-white just to feel special it was just how I was raised in my Jewish family to believe, sorry cowbell if that offends you that some jews don't consider themselves white. But we are all children of God which is the most important thing.

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6:12 pm, Oct 26, 2009
urbancowgirl

Probably because this isn't a comedic movie - it's politics. We hold politicians to a higher standard (that's why they have to resign when sex scandals arise but Letterman stays on the air).

The simple question is why did they even need to use Jews? They could have just said "people who are wealthy....etc etc." They're blatantly harking back to a stereotype that people are familiar with. I think that's where folks see the problem.

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11:18 am, Oct 22, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

OK, I'm trying to type while I am still laughing....to the comment above "(that's why they have to resign when sex scandals arise but Letterman stays on the air). " LOL Bill and Monica. Oh wait, he didn't resign. He is still hailed.....Oh, but wait, their lack of morals has NOTHING to do with them as a president.
"......yes, sweeties, I know the president lied to all of us on national TV over and over, but that's different...his personal life has nothing to do with the example he is showing to you as President of these United States"..... After all, that's what Hollywood teaches us every second of broadcast....

Here's what I think...let's step down if we screw up like that. Let's apologize and move on. Let's avoid pointing fingers. Call me a brownie or lazy or whatever stereotype you have for me. I am happy and sorry that you might feel that way. But, I DON'T CARE. I move on. I don't whine and write a letter to all the authorities and watch groups and cry discrimination. I am positive I have offended others in my life and am grateful that I associate with people who do not take life that seriously and recognize when I or someone else has made a mistake and CHOSEN to not take offense. Be happy and move on. If you are in a prominent position where people naturally look up to you. Apologize publicly, sincerely and step down. Accept responsibility. Move on. Be happy and resolve to be a better person. We all make mistakes, only, not all of us are willing to take responsibility.

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1:50 pm, Oct 22, 2009
cfiman

Absolutely right.Thank you !

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7:41 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Jinglebob

Of course most Jews are white people. Hebrew is a religion not a race but members of the Hebrew religion can be of any race. Get Dennis Prager to explain it to you.

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8:43 am, Oct 24, 2009
mikekienpo

Speaking as a jew I see no offence in the remake jews are thrifty all I know there is a president in office now that is anti jewish and noone ever says on word about his anti semitic ways,
I use to be a libel until I say that they were nothing but self absorbed jerks and that now intension of helping our country.
Yes I am anry I am ashamed of this country it is not my country any nore and I want my Arerica back and this commey rullers out and gone.

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1:24 pm, Oct 22, 2009
spiderbucket

Are you so angry that you can't type ??

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9:40 am, Oct 23, 2009

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1:20 pm, Oct 23, 2009
iggypopforyou

Ninkumpoop, or, wait, my glasses are askew, as are my prejudices..oh, yes,"Mikekienpo, i thought I'd comment on your belief that this president is anti-semitic, and a commie ruler.
Now, regarding the "Remake" or, er, remark. Let's forget it altogether. It hardly seemed a cruel or hateful remark. Believe me, these two humps got off easy - they are probably guilty of far worse racial slanders.
It's you, I'm worried about. While you speak as a Jew, ashamed of America lately, you might consider slipping out of the country and taking advantage of your duel citizenship thus keeping fresh the puzzle - Jews aren't a race, a nationality, yet they can have dual citizenship here and in Israel. I get tired of the explanations, then repeatedly see men, women of Jewish descent who look very much alike. It's rare to see two Catholics who look alike - two Baptists. So there is that. There's the Jews as elite and chosen...by whom/ Oh yeah, by god. So you have that going for you.
Now then, billions of dollars goes to Israel annually for aid. If Obama was against the children of Israel, wouldn't he start imposing sanctions each week , month, year that the current government continues to build zionist dwellins in the occupied territories?
Sure. Obama plunks his opinion and rhetoric down, wags his finger and tells Benjamin Netanyahu, "No more settlements" then smiles at his best friend and Mossad officer, Rahm Emanuel ...winks. If Obama wanted the settlements to stop, all he'd have to do is stop money flowing, just like it's done everywhere else. Impose sanctions.
No my friend, President Obama is Israel's Friend. In fact, America is Israel's friend. Look at Wall Street. We treat Israel very well in America. We make it so easy for Israel to spy on America they can't seem to stop. Israel is America's only ally to have incarcerated Americans caught spying for Mossad.
Last but not least - you say you used to be a Liberal? Got tired of those self-absorbed jerks? Sounds just like the Jew up above who believes Jew's are a different species than white people. Sure there's Ethiopian Jews - treated like dirt in Israel - not allowed to donate blood because of their color, sure there's non white Jews, but the self-absorbed jerk who thinks he's not white - well, there you have it - your people.

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9:49 pm, Oct 23, 2009
fxc1226

Jews are thrifty! So thrifty they cant spell. Spend some of that money on spelling lessons you RACIST pig. At least I'll admit it, Im racist against people that cant SPELL. Because I am so smart SMRT. DOHHHHHHHHHH

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11:10 pm, Oct 23, 2009

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1:50 am, Oct 24, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

I agree. I wish others could see how damaging it is to constantly compare current comments to late horrific tragedies and horrible actions from the past. It inevitably brings up past "hates and angers". Hate and anger are cancers. It is one thing to learn from the past and our history and another to keep bringing it up to support one's own view and interpretation of what someone else has said. Which, by the way, is typically taken completely out of context. Just look at the post comments they usually make - compelled to defend their words against others' (and the media's) misinterpretations. Even with their defense, people have usually made up their mind from their personal interpretations and experiences and make excuses for the defense given. "Oh, he's just trying to save his position - he doesn't really mean what he said. He means what I think he meant....."

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2:15 pm, Oct 22, 2009
MaximumLeader

I always thought Peter Beinart was German, because of his "Mittel Way" article in The New Republic.

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3:13 pm, Oct 22, 2009
andrei

Mr. Beinart should read the statement more carefully. It starts out with "They say that..." Who is "they"? Where did "they" say this? "They" also say that the honesty in frugality that Mr. Beinart refers to resulted in control of newmedia and banks and other such nonsense. Furthermore, one can praise Mr. DeMint's honesty and frugality (if indeed he displays them) without bringing in Jews (as a group) or "the Jew" as the stereotype. The analogy was not necessary or helpful; it was condescending to me, one random Jew registered (still) as Republican.

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4:13 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Mixpixlix

Yes. There was no reason to mention Jews because it automatically triggers the old racist belief about a group of people who share a particular religion. Jews are NOT a race. In fact, at the DNA level there is no such thing as race.

As former President Carter once admitted to lusting in his heart, I think these two South Carolinians carry racism in their hearts or ,at the very least, have bought into age old sterotypes.

No so very long ago I walked out of a furniture store that had the couch I'd been seeking for months. I overheard the owner to talk to a staffer about a previous customer trying to Jew him down on price.

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5:21 am, Oct 23, 2009
pattireilly

Hey, at least he didn't call them hymies like Jesse did! If history means anything, Jewish people handled money because it was forbidden by other religions to do so. They were the bankers and moneychangers. I thought Scottish folks were thrifty, too, now that you mention it. Remember, sterotypes exist for one reason. There is a small kernel of truth in them, even if you don't like it. It may not be 100% of a group or type, but darn near. Bottom line? Get over it and grow up. If someone makes themself look foolish, do the right thing and laugh your butt off. It's the right thing to do!

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6:04 pm, Oct 22, 2009

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1:52 am, Oct 24, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

Yup. Right on. I'm with you.

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4:02 pm, Oct 24, 2009
dafish

I'm Jewish. I'm not rich... not even close. But, I've had people drop pennies in-front of me & say "jew boy, why don't you dive for the money?" when I was in the Navy. I've had people use the expression "he jewed me..." in front of me so many times I can't count them. I don't have so-called "Jewish looks" & I find it amazing how rampant Jew Hating is... especially when people don't realize there is a Jewish person among them.
There's the answer to your question, Peter Beinart, you f---k--g moron... & there is the proof that not all Jews have brains.

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7:22 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Evilash515

It never ceases to amaze me, is there a Republican with an IQ higher than room tempature? To think that they were lending the Jews a compliment goes to show how simple minded they are whats next? Is Rush as good at math as Asians? Maybe Newt can Dance like a Latino? I'm looking forward to what negative stereotypes they will use as compliments in the future. I LOVE IT.

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5:24 am, Oct 23, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

I am glad you choose to laugh and LOVE it.

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4:04 pm, Oct 24, 2009
derrebbe

everyone----politicians, journalists, bloggers----what is required of you and me? To seek justice, love mercy, walk humbly with your God; love God, love your neighbor; especially in this case---don't bear false witness but speak the truth in love----

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9:37 am, Oct 23, 2009
sippewissett

Apparently you can't discern the difference between a slur that has been used to start wars and defend genocide vs. a smart-assed comment that has not hurt any white person. DUH.

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5:24 pm, Oct 24, 2009
mcmchugh99

I suppose the stereotype that all Jews are cheap, greedy and money grubbing is no more offensive than saying that all Irish are drunks, all Italians are mobsters, or all blacks are lazy, shuffling Sambos who like to rape white women. These particular stereotypes are actually among the worst of all, and the idea that Jews are are all rich and greedy has been used against them for centuries--often with lethal consequences. It was an article of faith among the Nazis, although they by no means invented it since it was already a commonplace in ancient and medieval times.

If I were Jewish, I would not be pleased at all to discover that politicians and public officials were still circulating these kinds of ideas in 2009.

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9:16 pm, Oct 21, 2009
hithere3

except that no one killed 6 million irish a mere 60 years ago.

what the goyim don't understand is the sense of victimization jews, blacks, and other minorities feel in western societies. jim crow and the holocaust were NOT that long ago.

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10:19 pm, Oct 21, 2009
mcmchugh99

Nor was the Irish Famine of the 1840s, in which half the population died or fled the country, and British policies had a great deal to do with causing it, and making it worse. In fact, to them, it was an opportunity to reduce the surplus population in Ireland.

Of course, if you read my post you would realize that I disagreed with Beinart about such stereotypes being no big deal.

You did read what I wrote, didn't you?

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12:50 am, Oct 22, 2009

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8:37 am, Oct 22, 2009
scripsitveritas

Remember the Irish suffered 1.2 million deaths with the potato famine under British rule. In the U.S., the Irish were considered less valuable than the slaves and were shunned throughout for decades. It was not until the election of Kennedy that Irish Catholics were truly accepted by the population as a whole.

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1:07 pm, Oct 22, 2009
schlomofinklestein

Goyim?

Using terms like that is what garnished extreme dislike.

What a typical jewish hypocrit.

GOYIM?! Don't try to peddle that off as a benign term. Anyone with a brain knows what a degrading and derrogatory term that is.

You cry racisms and 'anti-semitism' but you practice your ancient form of supremecy at every turn.

Disgusting.

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2:25 pm, Oct 22, 2009
American1

So calling non-jews "goyim" which is a slur is okay? And rememer there were millions of others that died as well by the hands of the Nazies and Soviets, not just the jews.

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2:46 pm, Oct 22, 2009
djanimaequeen

mc you comparing the Irish Famine to the holocaust and Jim Crow are almost as offensive as you bragging about how your family once owned slaves. Do I really need to explain the difference? Are you really that stupid? The Irish Famine was a natual disaster caused by a potato blight(you can argue the Engish response could have been better but they did not cause the potato blight). The other two were caused by white supremsists! I don't intend to be mean but are your parents related?

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5:40 pm, Oct 22, 2009
mcmchugh99

The real cause of the Irish famine was British landlordism in Ireland, which kept the peasants on the verge of starvation even in the best of times. Nor id the British government care that they starved.

My ancestors came to America long before that famine, and many of them were Scot-Irish from Ulster, but I never had any use for British colonialism in Ireland.

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1:11 pm, Oct 23, 2009
mcmchugh99

And FYI, dingbat, I have never once in my life bragged about my ancestors who owned slaves, only those who were abolitionists and fought on the Union side. You are a liar and an imbecile.

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1:13 pm, Oct 23, 2009
hithere3

goy is not a slur, kids. at all. unless you feel that not being jewish makes you inferior to jews, and it obviously does not.

mcmchugh: i apologize. i misunderstood your tone.

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11:09 am, Oct 26, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

If I were Jewish, I'd say thank you. And, be glad I was smart enough to have money set aside for times like these. I would hope to recognize that I am above being offended by what seems is meant to be a compliment, but that others have twisted to meet their agenda. Love life. Laugh a lot more. Choose to not be offended. And choose not to twist things like this into something bigger than it is. Yes, this may lead to something that escalates - I highly doubt it. It most likely won't. If it does, then politely address it. If it escalates more take action. Think about it - we talk about the extreme cases to prove our point. Why shouldn't we recognize that the extreme vast majority don't turn out that way. Or, no wait, I think someone should use how this leads to extreme cases and ignore the fact that most things like this are benign.

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1:57 pm, Oct 22, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

I am sure what Edwin O. Merwin Jr. and James S. Ulmer meant to say is "cheap, greedy and money grubbing." I personally prefer that other people self-interpret what I say to their own views and experience. That would never cause waves and misunderstandings. As a matter of fact, I think I will interpret all the history books for my children so they learn what I think they meant, not what they actually said.

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2:02 pm, Oct 22, 2009
mcmchugh99

And if Mr. Beinart really thinks that conservative Republicans and the Christian Right in this country are"overflowing with philo-Semitism", he needs to get those rose-colored glasses changed.

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9:19 pm, Oct 21, 2009
sangsue

Oh please, they love Israel and the Jews like me are the collateral damage to bring on the End of Days. So yeah, they just LOVE Jews. *gags*

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11:39 am, Oct 22, 2009
CArvidson

I'm with you guys -- philo-Semitism in SC? what? As long as they don't want to belong to their country clubs or live in their neighborhoods maybe...

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9:02 pm, Oct 22, 2009
hithere3

oh, how unexpected. someone attempting a rational argument that enables anti-semitism. and it comes out of a liberal university, no less! someone pinch me.

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9:35 pm, Oct 21, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

"zactly what I was thinking.

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2:04 pm, Oct 22, 2009
berniebeiner

So what is a Jewish kid to do when some gentile high schoolers drop a coin at his feet to see what he does? This prejudicial practice was a common occurrence 50 years ago and now, unfortunately, is likely to be happen again thanks to the ill-considered statement of Merwin and Ulmer.
Mr Beinart, should the kid pick it up, pocket it, bank it, invest it like say, Alan Greenspan would? Or should he kick ass like say, Max Baer would?

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9:53 pm, Oct 21, 2009
sangsue

That was a joke said by a friend who didn't know I was Jewish. I'd never heard it before : toss a penny and you'll know the Jew because they'll pick it up. I broke up the friendship right after that.

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11:41 am, Oct 22, 2009
greatguytn

Really? WOW, wonder how hard you laughed when you saw (or even forwarded) the graphic of the Irish nuns seated at the outdoor bar drinking beer or rolled your eyes over "greasy" Italian-Americans baking bread or tossing pizzas in a restaurant. I wonder if your 'friend' would have shunned you from that moment forward . . . sounds like you're an extremist with other issues.

Personally, I think we should all just wear huge "chips on our shoulders" and be hyper-sensitive to everything so we can live up to or mimic another stereotype--the one of bitching / moaning / complaining old fart and windbag elderly folks who whine about everything (great or small).

GET OVER IT PEOPLE . . . STOP LOOKING FOR THINGS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT AND TRY TO PERPETUATE A MORE POSITIVE ATTITUDE.

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12:30 pm, Oct 22, 2009
pulmanomancer

... I'm not Jewish, and I always pick up pennies ...

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1:58 pm, Oct 22, 2009
scripsitveritas

I would tell him to pick it up, tell him what a dumb ass he was, and then kick his ass. I don't think the point that Merwin and Ulmer were trying to make was anti-semitic. So, if I said the same thing about Chinese families, who practice frugality, I am anti-asian. No way. I admire frugality.

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1:14 pm, Oct 22, 2009
anna2000

wake up. anti-semitism and racism was is and always will be. You can try and defend any coment said by a politician, wheather s/he meant it as a snide remark, or a compliment, or just a simple statement, it ussually doesn't bother people, that know better. others who don't know better, and believe everything they are being told are usually the once that are offended. personally, since I'm a jew, and broke. that comment didn't effect me at all. I am just curiouse why they raised such a ruckus, do they want those Jews (where are they) to give them money?

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8:14 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Jinglebob

Let's not forget that most of the racism in the world is out of Africia, black against black. Tribe against tribe. Most of the anti-Jewish activity is in Western Europe. Most of the Muslem racism in in the Mid-East, again tribe against tribe, clan against clan. Most of the Asian racism is in the Far East, again race against race. America is not doing all that bad when you get down to it.

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9:17 pm, Oct 24, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

To berniebeiner,
I grew up in the70's in Atlanta where there were "colored people" (blacks, back then). I repeatedly had my butt smacked by the new ones bussed in. Constant sexist remarks etc. I didn't take it personally then and I don't now. I dated a wonderful black man I know they are wanting to be referred to as different names all the time. I just prefer American - but no one would have a clue.). He was kind and loving. My family was/is still somewhat prejudice and gave me a very hard time about it. I lived in Mexico for a while and married an hispanic. I have 4 hispanic children. I don't hate my family (or others) or think they are hate mongers. I simply recognize that they have not reached that level in knowledge in that area. Though, I would say in so many other ways they are more "intellectual" than I.( Anyway - with my background and last name of Gonzales - I also get all the "brownie, lazy, taco eater" and a bunch of really bad ones I choose not to remember. It was almost always done "in jest." I CHOOSE not to take it personally. I feel somewhat sorry for those with that opinion. But life moves on. If I CHOOSE to dwell on any of those, it harms me as well as carries it on as I whine about it. I feel MORE sorry for those of us who are minorities and so often take offense. We all can make our own choices to act or react. Love or hate. Let it go or take offense.

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4:19 pm, Oct 24, 2009
laurel2009

Peter Beinart is trying to deal on an intellectual level with a comment that evokes the strongest of visceral reactions. As a non-religious Jew, I was stunned at the malignancy of these Republicans' statements. They call forth the most derogatory stereotypes and and should have been repudiated by everyone associated with them. The sheer stupidity that comes out of the mouths of some of these Senators is stunning!!!

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10:00 pm, Oct 21, 2009
SCMax101

Laurel,
This was EXACTLY what I was thinking. As a jew, though the rational argument in the article makes some sense to me, the words produced a far more instinctual feeling of hurt. Stereotypes hurt, even when they are meant as misguided complements, they make me feel as though I cannot helped be judged for my heritage.

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10:53 pm, Oct 21, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

read anna2000. There will always be an anti-"something". I can only change me and hope to learn from the behavior of others at the same time.

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4:22 pm, Oct 24, 2009
wahsmom

You are absolutely right. I heard a similar statement come out of one of my children and I was flabbergasted - especially since he'd never really known any Jews. I have; I worked as a bookkeeper at a furniture company owned by Jews, and became friends with many Jews throughout my life. The statement my be "stereotypical" to some ignoramus', but it has always been my experience that the Jewish people and culture are the most generous and charitable of any 'group' of people I've known. Those Senators need a good smack in the head and should not be allowed to represent any Americans. It will be stunning if they DON"T lose there seats.

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3:08 pm, Oct 22, 2009

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10:08 pm, Oct 21, 2009
Noontime

kolacek:

"eat a bowl of dicks."
Fantastic line. You're absolutely right. this writer actually attempts to apply some intellectual property to a known insult--under the guise that its a compliment? Once you sign off on that, then what? youre just building a foundation upon which racist people will surely launch other, more pointed attacks.

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11:47 am, Oct 22, 2009
CArvidson

Totally dicktastic!

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9:05 pm, Oct 22, 2009
angrymexican

kolacek,
i'm in love with you.

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1:15 pm, Oct 22, 2009
libRcoward99

There are enough idiots in both parties. Irony is that Muslims who are conspiring and those who conspired to blow USA up and illegal aliens are being protected at taxpayers expense while some idiots who misspoke(favorite terms Hillary/Bill Clinton Massage Parlor Madame & Pimp-In-Chief use without perky Katie Couric's objection daily) are crucified by CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, NAACP & NPR.

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10:44 pm, Oct 21, 2009
Stewcifer

Huh?

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12:51 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Bengalidan

Um... with all due respect, let's credit the term "misspoke" to the one who really pioneered it -- President Reagan. If we remember our history, he never made a mistake, he only "misspoke".

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1:19 pm, Oct 22, 2009
cfiman

Great historical information.... Um... with due respect , deflecting the message though.

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7:48 pm, Oct 22, 2009
fxc1226

what a jackass you are. shows you are just as much of a racist as that stupid southern senator. you disgust me.

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11:25 pm, Oct 23, 2009
PhilZopinion

This is another case of conservative politicians mixing their politics up with religion (someone elses) in a play to satiate their base. This is Americas biggest problem, not terrorists. Religion should not be considered in political matters, any more than race or sex.

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11:09 pm, Oct 21, 2009
dlc1550

I have a novel idea - register AIPAC as a foreign agent - which is what they are.

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6:41 am, Oct 22, 2009
octavio

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These crooked GOP leaders and the crooked republican senators have always hated jews,blacks,latinos,women,
poor people,immigrants et cetera.These crooked republicans
always voted against increasing the minimun wage.Now they
are against the passing of the Public Health Care Bill.

The crooked republican senators hate jews.But,they
love bribes.The lobbysts working for the Stinky Health Care
Industry already bought them.Unethical medical doctors,
dentists,hospitals are telling these crooked republican sena-
tors what to do.In other words ---->

crooked republican senators = whores

---- Pass the Public Health Care Bil as soon as possible.

---- Stop lobbysts from corrupting the USA politicians.

---- Never vote republican again!.

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12:12 am, Oct 22, 2009
wwps09

You do realise that you are making stereotypes about republicans making stereotypes, don't you? You're arguement is frankly the most illogical disjointed piece of propagandist cohersion ive ever seen. You begin on a stereotype, transition to a false implication about a policy based soley on political beliefs and proceed to implicate republicans as the only group involved with lobbing where the democratic party is actually more highly funded by these "bribes" as a percentage of their campeign funds, an obvious unfortunate ignorance of facts on your part. Furthermore you proceed to implicate sexual promiscuity on the part of a group without any substanciation and then wrap up your arguement by suggesting action against this group of people. To consider this post as possesing an legitimacy whatsoever is ubsurd and furthermore your ideas propogate the exact same practices that people are more offended by in this article under the false pretense of defense of their cause. Not only should you be ashamed of yourself for you apparant lack of morals but additionally you should feel embarassment that you have completly rid yourself of any credibilty with your illogical disjointed rant of intolerance. I would appreciate it greatly if you would restrain yourself from speaking such attrocities in the future without first considering mollifying the relative intolerance of your extremist views that put the reasoning behind the first ammendment rights of every citizen of this country to shame.

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2:51 pm, Oct 22, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

Ummm. I'm looking up a few words, here. But I think I agree....;) Didn't make it past a BA.

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4:26 pm, Oct 24, 2009

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1:57 am, Oct 24, 2009
liveloveLAUGH

I love the open-mindedness

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4:24 pm, Oct 24, 2009
Jinglebob

Don't hold back Octavio. I would attempt to debate some of your points but it would be just a waste of time. I really doubt that you ever voted Republican, Perhaps your ancestors did a hundred years ago when it was the Republicans who fought for the rights of Jews, Blacks, Women. Oh by the way, there are more millionaire Democratics in Congress than Republicans but let's not get lost in the facts.

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9:26 pm, Oct 24, 2009
mm29464

what no one gets is if you read the entire letter to the editor it wasn't an unfortunate stereotype or an ill-conceived illustration, it was clearly a slam against inez tenebaum, the former sc secretary of education and demint's former opponent in a nasty -- even by sc's standards-- campaign for senate. she is now obama's commissioner for consumer safety and she may be a candidate for governor. it had everything to do with sticking it to her...again.

i really can't believe the press missed this. it seems obvious to me. here's the link to the letter. i'm curious what others think. http://thetandd.com/articles/2009/10/18/opinion/doc4ad90f14cb86e810566587.t xt

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12:12 am, Oct 22, 2009
glenndale

It's ok for me to tell Irish-American joke. If I hear you do it, I will punch you in the fucking mouth. That's how it works. That's why I only tell Irish-American jokes. I never tell jokes about other people. These racists need to be punched in the mouth. It's the only thing they understand.

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12:32 am, Oct 22, 2009
mcmchugh99

I never tell Irish jokes, although about half of my ancestors are from there (both Ulster and the Republic), and about half are from Scotland.

Scots were often stereotyped as "thrifty" in the past, perhaps because they came from a very poor country where everything was scarce, but there were jokes about how there was a sale on coffins, and ten Scotsmen killed themselves to take advantage of it.

I never thought that was very funny. In general, though, people who come from poor countries, or from an impoverished background in general, have to be thrifty to survive. Immigrants who came to this country, including Jews, generally didn't come from great wealth, so they necessarily were careful with money.

Anyone who went through the Great Depression also learned to be thrifty, like my grandparents. If these stereotypes are based on anything, it's probably poverty and social class.

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12:57 am, Oct 22, 2009
whipmawhopma

I thought the coffin joke was funny, but I have Scot blood in me. So is it OK under the tribe rule that sangsue (6:37 pm, Oct 22, 2009) described? Of course it's Scotch-Irish, and there's some French blood too, and supposedly Dutch and Creek. Which is probably why I like to curse the English every once in a while, just like Mel Gibson, but without the rest of his bigotries.

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1:57 pm, Oct 23, 2009
sangsue

It's known as the "tribe rule." One of the tribe can tell a joke about the tribe. A non tribe member can't. That goes for every ethnicity and sexual preference. That's how it is.

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6:37 pm, Oct 22, 2009
roger37

This is a cheap polemic. Seems to characteristic of this guy as a Daily Beast writer.

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12:50 am, Oct 22, 2009
MythsLegends

Well, I am half jewish and it bothers me that people use stereotypes against jews and others. Lame. Be creative and don't sound like an old thinker. It's ugly and it's lazy thinking to resort to an old stereotype regardless of which one it is. Now an article defending in on Daily Beast? That's frickin amateur.

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1:05 am, Oct 22, 2009
johnstafford

dear peter--you old contrarian, you!
someday i may find myself agreeing with something you write, but not yet!
=the point is not so much what you think of what the south carolina republican chairs said but what they intended. and, i question whether their use of this ethnic stereotype reflected
admiration of alleged jewish cultural values.
=in any event, don't you think it's time we got beyond such
monolithic characterizations about whole groups of people?
after all, i'm of irish descent, and i only get drunk on weekends!

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1:33 am, Oct 22, 2009
anxious-appliance

Lets get this straight - it's the Scotts that are cheap SOBs. and it was Andrew Carnegie who said:"take care of the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves".

One thing I hate more than degrading stereotypes are poorly researched degrading stereotypes. The repugs can't even be stupid correctly.

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4:01 am, Oct 22, 2009
RobbyS

Blame it on Jack Benny. The Scots have been assimilated.

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4:42 pm, Oct 23, 2009
Johnnorth

Brilliant column. Look what the Welsh have had to put up with" Taffy was a Welshman
Taffy was a thief
He came to my house
and stole a lump of beef

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6:55 am, Oct 22, 2009
Housebird


What about all the Islamo faschist , rag head type references commonly used in the "American" media.to dehumanize and demonize Muslims..

Jews are chosen people and off limits as US Politicians and Media career hopefuls quickly learn.

Obviously anyone criticizing Jews is an anti-Semite.

Therefore, all criticism of Jews is illegitimate, because it comes from... an anti-Semite.

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8:20 am, Oct 22, 2009
DCMediagirl

Hey Peter Beinart, did you get a gander at "Housebird's" comment? THIS is the sort of person the two numbskulls from South Carolina were reaching out to. Notice how "Housebird" doesn't interpret the "Jews-Are-Kickass-With-Money" meme as praise and how Jewish umbrage is seen as whiny and illegitimate.

But then again the tone of this piece is exactly what I'd expect you to write given your ouvre from the TNR days.

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9:33 am, Oct 22, 2009
ManchaTheo

well technically arabs ( most of the worlds muslims) are semites too... oh the hypocritical double standards of it all...

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11:00 am, Oct 22, 2009
jaynura

only 20% of the worlds muslims are arab

where did you get this info

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5:48 pm, Oct 22, 2009
Superfancy

I think it's a real stretch to interpret this as a positive stereotype, given the context. Even positive stereotypes can be damaging though. If your ethnic group is perceived as being talented in one particular field, would you face discrimination if you chose another field?

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8:46 am, Oct 22, 2009
Cforchange

The ethnic inference is not necessary to make this point. Doesn't every human who manages their money well prosper? Another case of an average person put in a position that requires someone with brains. There is no wonder that our country is floundering - we have average folks at the helm.

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9:36 am, Oct 22, 2009
Redhead5050

We had stupid folks at the helm for 8 years...

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10:24 am, Oct 22, 2009
Cforchange

Red I think it's been much more than 8. It's been festering for a long time and it does cross party lines.

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11:49 am, Oct 22, 2009
Veronicaxy

My cousin in law is Jewish and she talks about many stereotypes as if they were simply facts about Jews.

There is no way I could say what she does without being called a bigot.

That's the problem with political correctness. Ironically it's not equitable.

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10:53 am, Oct 22, 2009
Noontime


Veronicaxy:

Really? The essence of political correctness is to eliminate offensive language. But the real problem is the sentiment behind it. But if you really love and respect someone whose Jewish, or black, or hispanic, etal. then why would ever want to demean them?

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11:54 am, Oct 22, 2009
reckless

This is the dumbest sh*t I have ever read. Racial slurs have been used for centuries as a way to disempower, separate and justify discrimination and violence. When someone outside of a specific group uses language that has historically been used for this purpose, regardless of the intent of the current user, it both evokes the ache of discrimination in the targeted group AND it perpetuates the stereotype - making it available for future generations to use with malintent.

When a group that has historically been subject to discrimination adopts a stereotype, it does so for the purposes of empowerment - taking ownership of a term or idea that was once used against them. That is a right that is strictly conveyed on the group whose ancestors and families have paid the price throughout history.

It is absolutely ok for your cousin in law to use such terms because (and this is the main point) it can be safely assumed that her speach is not said out of hatred. When those slurs are used by someone outside of the group, there is no way for anyone (either the individuals in the group or others who hear it) to know whether it comes from a place of good or bad. Even if you swear that you only use it good-naturedly, others cannot know for sure. It makes it easier, then, for others to use those terms for bad.

What so many idiots rail against as "political correctness" is, in reality, the recognition that language matters. It is a recognition that the use of certain language can have negative effects on others. And as a society with evolving standards of decency, we are obliged to continue working to rid our culture of hate and other influences that have the potential to make people feel inferior. There is no question that, in the hands of the less intelligent, certain ideals of "political correctness" can be taken too far or misinterpreted. But asking individuals to think carefully about the language it uses and the effect it has on others is a positive goal of an evolving society.

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12:09 pm, Oct 22, 2009
bloggystyle

Jews aren't rich because they are cheap, (yours truly certainly isn't; spent all my money on fast women and slow horses). But because they come from a scholarly tradition, and are just smarter than the average goyim. Case in point Jews account for a 3% of the U.S. population but have received almost 25% of the Nobel Prizes.

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11:14 am, Oct 22, 2009
Stewcifer

Be careful, don't generalize that all Jews come from a scholarly tradition... that's a dangerous stereotype!

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12:57 pm, Oct 22, 2009
bhavanibbana

That's a bit ethnocentric, don't you think?

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1:22 pm, Oct 22, 2009
sangsue

Jewish people really value education more than anything else. Money goes away. Education lasts for a lifetime.

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6:35 pm, Oct 22, 2009
bhavanibbana

I'm not arguging that point, necessarily. The ethnocentrism I see is calling non-Jews "goyim"(which is a slur) and the statement that Jews are somehow smarter.

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11:03 am, Oct 23, 2009

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2:02 am, Oct 24, 2009
kiernan7

Gee... furthering two stereotypes for the price of one -- Jews being 'thrifty' and Southerners being ignorant.

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11:56 am, Oct 22, 2009

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2:03 am, Oct 24, 2009
converseleigh

If we are going to get huffy about stereotypes what about Beinart's stupid Episcopalian/Puerto Rican joke. My husband is both of those things so what does that even mean?

Hey Beinart, I guess your point is that it is okay to be racist and offensive if you are speaking to a group of Jews? Or more likely it is just that you are culturally tone deaf.

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12:17 pm, Oct 22, 2009
mcmchugh99

Beinart often writes article knowing that he'll get a rise out of people, and he certainly did this time.

Like I said, poverty and insecurity tend to make people thrifty. They have no choice if they want to survive.

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12:32 pm, Oct 22, 2009
RobbyS

Well, in the middle ages, in many places Jews were not allowed to own land. They had to be businessmen. Of course, there were Jewish peasants in the east. The savy Jew is like the smart Jew, a stereotype. There is a theory that
the extraordinary number of smart Jews is the result of rabbis's son's marrying merchants' daughters. Such a family enviroment would be hell on underachievers.

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4:41 pm, Oct 23, 2009
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The GOP's Jewish Slur

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