This a scary thought really. While I don't agree with the GOP platform, I concede that there are reasonable capable candidates in their ranks. It just seems that they could never get through a primary in this environment or they would have to swing so far to the right to the point of making a fool of themselves.

The American public always looks for alternatives regardless of who is in office. We need to have rational sensible options. -- Sarah Palin is not that.

They should also jot those words down on their hands just in case they forget them. Just kidding, they should use a teleprompter.

The beauty of democracy is that stupid people get to participate at all levels. From voters to candidates.

What the liberals can't understand Rev, is that we like her, and we don't like them.

It's so simple, and so obvious, you'd think even a liberal would understand it.

Does anyone seriously believe we should put this woman in charge on the most powerful nation in the world. She recently suggested that Obama should declare war on Iran to increase his chances of re-election in 2012.
God help us all if she were to be president.

What conservatives don't understand, reardongalt, is that Palin scares intelligent Americans.

Are there more intelligent Americans than Palin lovers in America? I sure hope so.

Which is why I hope Sarah is the GOP's candidate in 2012.

I'm intelligent, and she doesn't scare me. I like her. I was watching a book signing of hers in Cincinatti, and every person in that room was very intelligent, and they all came to meet her.

Do all the intelligent people you speak of call Corpsman: Corpse-man? If so, I think we might be better off with, "You betcha'" It's much more American than Corpse-man.

I would be completely disillusioned with the US educational system if Palin won the GOP nomination.

Palin scares me and reardongalt scares me, and the people like him. The Republicans and Democrats are hopelessly corrupt - how are we fooled by the healthcare and financial regulation inaction? and I believe these people could find real success, and that is truly scary

I don't see why someone is either intelligent or stupid based on their political views. That, is elitist regardless of the direction it's coming from.
So reardongalt, how can you tell when watching a book signing that everyone in the room was intelligent. I mean, you get that many people together in a room, and there's gotta be an idiot or two. Right?
The reason I am not a fan is because I have never once heard her utter anything about policy, she has been a talking points recording to rally the troops. And she talks too damn much. If you know something well, you can sum it up in a short succinct manner. She uses too may filler words and adjectives to answer fairly simple questions. As much as I disagree with them, there is no way that she could hold her weight against a Newt Gingrich, or Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty for that matter. Like most others though, I pray that she becomes the nominee. She's hot too.

UnholyAlliance: I l already am. 45 million idiots took time from their day to vote for the Old Man and the bimbo with the Hand"O"Prompter.

Even after 8 years of their policies were a complete failure.

They wanted even worse leadership for the country they so love.

To destroy that is.

reardongalt...reading the whole entry for Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead on Wikipedia does not make you intelligent.

Hey Rev, just what would the "common sense" approach be to issues like Afghanistan, the budget, entitlements, jobs, etc? Just how would someone with common sense balance national defense (War on Terror) with those who get social security or medicare? The fear mongering worked with Bush but after the debacle of his presidency I am not so sure that the American people are willing to reinstate the draft or surrender their entitlements. Watching Sarah Palin is like watching a train wreck.

to JFKDem and politicalpam....

First to you Mr JD.:

Please enlighten me...when someone is talking, what do you consider too damn much ? Is it a rambling on of words never answering the question put to you, hoping that by the time you've finish jabbering off on a tangent, you have both made the crowd forget the question that was asked but also ingratiated yourself once more in their eyes because they figure anyone that could talk that much and not pass out had to say something important along the way even though they didn't hear it....... Is that what you mean ????? I thought so.....hmmmmmm then you agree, Mr Obama doesn't say much of anything important when he's off the TelePromTer answering questions or commenting on the weather.... now does he ?

Now to you Ms pam:

Common sense dictates never biting off more than you can chew at one time....... something the administration should have remembered prior to making jokes about the past while bragging they could do more than one thing at a time...... So tell me, Ms. pam.... given the administration's 2009 track record of accomplishments, do you think Mr Obama and the gang are enjoying all that crow they've been having to choke down lately????? I've heard tell it's awfully bitter and really tough to swallow.

""So reardongalt, how can you tell when watching a book signing that everyone in the room was intelligent

JDK, it was C-Span, they were interviewing people throughout the program. True, there are idiots everywhere, so I can't be positive there were none. I stand corrected. However, that includes the White House, and the Commander in Chief.

Now please excuse me, I have to look for Corpse-man Brossard. He resides in the 57th State, and I'm having a little trouble finding him.

We'd be in "good hands" with Sarah, provided she has written the right things on them.

:>)

reardongalt claims: "I'm intelligent..."

Some of us here might beg to differ, Rear.

Rev, you point out exactly why it would be a disaster to give her the nomination. So she's a celebrity you say? A cult of personality. Someone whose more comfortable speaking Teleprompter-led talking points in front of massive crowds of followers than making policy decisions? Now, go into a Republican meeting and say what I just said and ask them who that reminds them of. Of course, the answer will be unanimous:

OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

Of course, to the base, this doesn't matter. This is a group that said for 8 years that questioning (not even insulting, but just questioning) a U.S. President during wartime was treason. That's the word they actually used: TREASON. Now Sarah Palin could go on television and literally say "I hope someone assassinates the U.S. President" and all those people would cheer. This is what they do.

But for independents and moderates who dislike the President, they might actually take the logical approach to GOP criticism. "This guy was a celebrity who had little experience and this is what we get". They are going to take that advice and then vote in a celebrity with little experience, just because that celebrity happens to reside on the right instead of the left? Never. They are going to want someone who has a TON of experience. Someone like Mitt Romney who can say "Listen I've turned around multiple companies, I've obsessed over the economy for 30 years, economic recovery is what I do." They are going to want someone intelligent, someone educated, someone who knows what they are doing. Not someone who adds a "y" to every word she says, because to quote Idiocracy, "literacy is for f*gs".

The real problem with the GOP is not that they are republicans or conservatives. The problem is that since 1980 they had no chance to ever get elected in this country unless they got in bed with the religious right. The GOP has ALWAYS represented the interests of the rich and that will never change. However there arent enough wealthy voters in this country for them to suck up to, to get elected. So they have to find votes somewhere else. Thats where the ignorant narrow minded superstitious uneducated christians come in. So now all of a sudden all these repub conservatives are all god fearing jesus freaks. They cant make a decision about anything unless they consult the bible first, and what would god do, blah blah blah.

News flash: The United States is NOT a christian totalitarian theocracy! God does not run this country, the Gov does. God is simply welcome to be a part of it. If any President ever attempted to pass a law that favors any religion by taking away a basic constitutional right to any citizen, they would be guilty of TREASON. Let me refine that for the simple minded. If Sarah Palin thinks she's going to get elected and then start passing laws that favor biblical law or what the christians want, she has violated MY constitutional rights and should be impeached. A president is sworn to uphold the constitution, not re write it to favor any religious special interest group. And apparently all the religious morons of this country seem to think that once we get a good god fearing christian president in office, this country is being turned back over to jesus!

And thats what scares those of us with education and intellect. That there are people in this country, who are only slightly smarter then people that used to throw other people into volcanos, and who all have a vote in their pocket, are going to put this soccer mom in the white house. I can see them all now..sitting around their mobile homes all holding hands praying to god for the religious leader this country so desperately needs. Completely unaware that there is a seperation of church and state in this country.

"It's the only way the Republicans can loose in 2012. "

I think you meant "lose".

"Loose" is something that happens to your belt that's makes your pants fall to the ground. Now you don't want to be "lookin' like a fool wit chur paaants on the ground" now do you?

People may start thinking you're a laughingstock.

CCrider27, it would be great for the fringe right wing if Sarah won. Certainly she'd get all the Evangelical crowd to vote for her. In the meantime Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton and the rest of the crowd should run for president too.
It really dosen't matter who is the president since NazIsrael and AIPAC call all of the shots. The president and congress are the stooges in the DC political games.

Unholy-Alliance-
Governance and Council 101 would tell you there are 100 types of intelligence for humans, The Public school teaches only 6. You should be disillusioned long ago.

even though you are a liberal scum, I have to agree with you.if sarah is the republican nominee obama gets reelected.

Parrke47,

Careful there. If you keep making intelligent posts, we might have to listen to you.

ccrider27... How about you pick Sarah Palin for the republican nominate and I will pick Nancy Pelosi for the democrat nominate. Which would be the laughingstock? On second thought will don't need Nancy for entertainment. We already have a laughing stock as president.

Can't you just see it? She and President Obama walk across the stage for their first presidential debate, shake hands, and she quietly whispers to him, "Mind if I call you Barack?"

Glad you mentioned the "Peter Principle". Obama is a perfect example of someone who has risen to the level incompetency. In his year plus in office HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING EXCEPT GIVE IRAN PLENTY OF TIME TO BUILD THEIR BOMB. We now have his handlers daily feeding him his lines on the teleprompter. Guess they should have spelled "corpsman" phonetically for the guy. How stupid is THAT. And HE is our CIC??? What a joke! A bad joke!!!

Kateliz: Teleprompter bad, palmreading good. Hypocrites! A seventh grader would be sent to the principle's office for having the answers written on her hand, yet somehow this is OK for the teabagger Queen! Unfreakinbelievable. You people need to turn the channel...this 24/7 diatribe of hate, misinformation and outright lies is warping your brains! Oh, and I thought you all believed criticizing the CIC during wartime was unpatriotic and treasonous. More teabagger hypocricy.

Kateliz: A bad joke would be a president who gets two buildings blown up in less than a year.

then we would start wars all over the world, because she said so

She won't run for president. There are a couple of real screwballs on here that keep saying" I hope she runs" and they're lying. But she is a great deal more intelligent than given credit. She can "win" an election without becoming a candidate. She can get more attention by just showing up or not showing up than most any real candidate out there. Some of you give her more help every day. And you call her dumb. Whata bunch morons,

The same type of people that would vote for Palin would also vote for Hitler if they lived in Germany during the 1930's.

In spite of the fact that Steve godwinned this, I'm still going to respond to Crypto - the polls indicate that most of the country thinks she's incompetent and couldn't do the job. Remember: no one likes a quitter.

Gee, that was lovely and a perfect example of why so many people are appalled by the teabaggers. How do you think Obama won, Reardongalt? Moderates and non-crazy republicans voted for him instead of McCain, because of Palin. She has done absolutely nothing since to alleviate the fears and concerns of moderate voters. She has gone in the other direction with the teabaggers. That might work in one or two elections, but most voters are moderate and her ideology and lack of intelligence scares people. Maybe she is intelligent, I don't know, because she never says anything to give that impression. And writing on her hand just reinforces for so many people her lack of seriousness and depth. If we ever were to elect Palin or someone like her, we would be going back to the Bush years...only worse. It was a big mistake then, and would be an even bigger mistake at this point in time, considering the magnitude of the problems that Bush handed over. Seditious? It's you who are seditious. During a time of crisis, all Americans should want our president to succeed. But you people want failure, because that is your only chance to regain power. It might work...hate radio and Fake News are very powerful. But it would be a terribly wrong turn for this country, one we might not recover from for 50 years. BTW, your hatred gives me the creeps. Go back to church and ask forgiveness!

I find it absolutely baffling how all you brilliant liberals have absolutely no idea whatsoever what this country was founded on. It's amazing to me. There is not one single "principle" in any of your arguments. And the thing that makes it even more mindblowing is that you make this argument that it's about "intelligence". Rahm was not far off when he called the bunch of you "fuckin' retards". I mean, I can't imagine a more succinct description.

Believe me, going back to the Bush years would take us lightyears ahead from where we're going to be if this goes on much longer.

Yes, "this". This awful mess that we inherited from the republicans...this pile of elephant dung they left and now stand atop with crossed arms, refusing to help clean up. Acting worse than kindergarten children!

Palin is an ignoramus. She needs to go to community college to upgrade her typing skills.

And you sir have just lost all credibility.

One has to wonder how credible *reardongalt* really is and if the comments are bait, just for the fun of it.

The pervasive shallowness is the giveaway here.

People who have been reading DB threads have known for a long time that Rear has no credibility.

He/she/it does have a lot of anger, vitriol, and downright lies.

This woman has gone beyond the land of stupid. And to this very day she has never explained any of her ideas longer than a 5 second soundbyte slogan. Shes as stupid as they come intellectually and only because her appeal is to scared white racist does her message of ignorance and hate resonate. SHE QUIT ON ALASKA TO MAKE MONEY. And for this her sheeple have all but closed their eyes to. She supports the banks and rejects any notion that they be held responsible for the losses they inflicted on average Americans. And what precisely is a 'real American' and who established that watermark? And what kind of American who is trying to win public office rails against other worthy people who used this country's democracy to elect who they wanted. Bush never won an election hands down, the Supreme Court gave himn one and the country felt like since he started the 2 wars he should be the one to finish the job..his mess. Obama smoked McCain and the end was never even in doubt. So real Americans elected Obama and if that isnt the case then if Palin supporters represent real America then thats barely 25%. Who is it that 25% is real America? She stands for only one thing..herself and her right to make as much money. What I find most amusing is that her followers are exactly as she is...very short an any responses to any problems and all they can answer with is a slogan..no ideas or policies. Just stupidity. Blind racist hatefull stupidity.

Reardongalt, I agree that she would be a perfect stooge for AIPAC who own and operate Washington DC.

I see reardongalt took the Daily Kos poll.


Republicans: Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?

Yes 63
No 21
Not Sure 16


Bill O'Reilly said it best.

Did you know Republicans are evil and stupid.

http://myprops.org/content/Video-OReilly-blasts-Daily-Kos-poll-on-the-GO P/

She doesn't know what any of those words mean. And that, in a nutshell, is why anyone who follows her is a fool.

Tell it like it is reardon. The criticism you receive on here comes from sources that will never know the real difference anyway. Hello November. With Monica Pelosi out of power things can only get better. Obama will probably "cut her off" if she loses the speakership.

But she is an a_hole, while her husband is trailer trash, and her daughter is a slut.

No, she's just a liar/secessionist/fearmonger/ex-beauty queen/bad mother/palmreader. You betcha!

Yup Monk ALL credibility. I actually believed he/she/it was a real republican, but I think I might now have to add rear to the long list of dems or libs posing as republicans to point out absurdities. Does TDB have any real sane republicans, and if so they must not post as the ones who do either fall into the situation I just described or do not qualify as sane.

Obama is not any of those things. He's a statesmen, a man that cares about all human beings..not just the rich white ones. Your listening to the propaganda BS coming from the likes of Rush and Glenn who make millions of dollars and dont want to share any of it by paying higher taxes. And on a side note...exactly what was this country founded on? And you tell me christian beliefs and principles then your talking right out of your ahole. Because you dont know a damn thing about the founding fathers

Yes the O-man only graduated #1 in his class at Harvard Law, that definitely puts him on a par with your dingbat. What in the hell do you people smoke over there in wingnut land? It must be the same stuff Beck is on.

wow, he mispronounced a word... he must be a total idiot. Of course, you did not apply this standard to President Bush, right? Otherwise you'd have had to admit that he probably would have qualified as brain dead, what with every other word coming out mispronounced or altered...

You people should heed your ex-leader though when he said, "you fool me once, shame on, um, shame on uh *deer in the headlights look*... you can't get fooled again!" Sadly, you people are clearly getting fooled again by Palin.

Yes, but she doesn't know that "lackadaisical" isn't pronounced "lacksadaisical," as she said to Chris Wallace.

See how that works? You use a stupid example, and I go out and find an example of stupidity to counter it. If you make a joke about Obama as TOTUS, then I can direct you to the video that shows her using a teleprompter to give that train wreck of a "I quit but I'm not really quitting" speech.

You suffer from the same problem Palin does: you think cheap shots and meaningless talking points are the same as critical thinking skills, ideas, and intelligence.

As an Alaskan who has had a mighty close look at the difference between what Palin says and what she does, I can assure you that Sarah Palin isn't frightening. She's a complete chickensh*t who knows the moment she allows a real reporter to ask her real questions, she'll have to return to her original career ambition as an Avon lady. She hides in her Facebook foxhole, and she only plays ball when it's T-ball--and even then she misses the ball half the time.

You folks need to be honest with yourselves: There's a reason she doesn't venture beyond the Circle of Asskissers, and it's not because the lamestream media is mean to her. She loves the media--that's how she's gotten so far. It's because she and her advisors know she simply cannot stand up to serious scrutiny.

No, what I'm really afraid of are people like you who think that a manipulative, greedy fraud without a single original idea or solution is the answer to all of America's problems. "How's that hopey-changey thing workin' out for ya'?" Good grief. That's the extent of her rapier wit and intellect. Well, so far, the dopey-derangey thing isn't going over so well either.

Better hurry and look--I think her ghost writer is churning out some more fresh hot bile and lunacy on Facebook. You certainly don't want to run out of idiotic, half-baked talking points that will fit on the palm of your hand.

And do be sure to send her some more money!!! She likes money!!!

The media got obama elected ,i think he shoul've became a television preacher,he loves to preach and loves t.v What woul have happened to sara palin if she would have made the remark,Im just now proud to be an american?They woul have chewed her up and spit her out.We would still be hearing about it today,don't u know it.And also the people that r putting her family dow,all i can say to that is u don't know them,and clean up your own back yard before u try to clean up someone elses.

It's working out great!

Going a little slower than I'd like but it's still moving.

How's it working for you?

We moved on to: Real Hope and Real Change. That's the Tea Party slogan. Here's a rough translation:

Stop spending.
Stop the closed door bribes.
Listen to the people.
Stop taxing.
Stop baking cookies for terrorists, start interrogating them.
And
What part of "we don't want any part of government run healthcare totally replacing the current system" do you not understand?

To name a few.

Just one problem with your synopsis there 'reardongalt' We elected a democrat as President so he doesn't have to listen to the minority' I remember distinctly that republicans said when Bush won he had a mandate and elections have consequences. (he had a 50-50 senate and that was a mandate????) If the country wanted a right wing agenda then your paisty flip floppin whiteboy McCain would have won. He lost..by a large margin. Democrats control both houses by a larger margin than the republicans ever have either under Reagan and Bush. Just the other day I actually saw this teabagger clown on CNN say " now that Scott Brown has won, the gop are now once again in the majority'.....only in the land of stupid is 41 greater than 59. How stupid do you have to be that you can't even count! No matter how Glenda Beck adds it up on his sissified chalk board 41 will never be a larger number than 59. Ever. But then again I can understand why dongalt might think it is. His kind also believe the earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs were on the ark and walked with man. To call these people stupid seems to not go far enough. I don't even know if there is a word in the english language that means "one who believes something totally opposite of all the facts laid out before them and are in complete denial" So until I find that word stupidity will have to do. And hey there don...how has that 8 years of Bush worked out for this country? Only a brain dead retard would even think anyone could fix overnight what took 8 years to accomplish. Explain why starting 2 wars and cutting taxes at the same time equals balancing a budget? Why didn't Bush fund those wars instead of giving tax breaks to the wealthy? Why are you teabaggers complaining after President Obama gave 95% of all Americans a tax break? It's all there laid out in front of you Don. Facts are facts and opinons are like bungholes. Please explain Bush's 8 years of gutting this country before you even cruxify the President. Answer for all the problems Bush left before you attack this President who is responsible for cleaning up the mess your guy left behind after 8 years. Explain why quitting in the middle of your term is such a fine family value? Do you teach your children to quit whenever that dont like something? If so then my guess is none of them got past the 5th grade....much like you. Why does your side hate intelligence and love ignorance? Why do you think a GED based education is better than a Harvard or college education?

Hayzuse, what are you auditioning for the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz? There were more strawmen in there than you can shake a stick at.

Too Funny!

Reardongalt: another tax-whiner. Gee, isn't it too bad you have to pay taxes to live in this great country?

to ma spring
yep that is some great change obama gave us.another 800000 people out of work this year.yeah Obama is going to change this recession into a depression.

"Gee, isn't it too bad you have to pay taxes to live in this great country?"

Said the moocher.

"Stop spending"

What have the Republicans done in the past ten years that would make you think that they'd stop spending? How you think we got this deficit in the first place?

"Stop the closed door bribes"

Ditto backroom deals. Cheney never released the members of his energy commission even after a court order. At least with the Democrats you know who's in the room and what the final legislation looks like. You don't really mind closed-door deals. You mind Democratic closed-door deals.

"Listen to the people"

I hope so. I want healthcare reform. And I voted for them so they should be listening to me before they listen to you.

"Stop taxing"

Uhm... My taxes went down in the past year. Most people's stayed the same. I don't know about you.

"Stop baking cookies for terrorists, start interrogating them"

Bake cookies. Interrogate. Play Enya for them. Kill them if necessary. So far the Obama administration seems to be doing a little of all of it.

"What part of "we don't want any part of government run healthcare totally replacing the current system" do you not understand?"

The part where there's no proposal to "totally replace our current system." Single payer came off the table. A public option came off the table. A Medicare buy in came off the table. All of these ideas had support. All have working examples in other countries. All of them much closer to totally replacing our current system than what's currently under consideration.

I've accused you of arguing passionately against things that don't exist before (apology tours). Here's another example.

As for Real Hope and Real Change I still think we'll get healthcare reform. Once that's done we've still got three years to address the Supreme Court.

And the way things are going there's going to be a major attack on the filibuster soon. That'll be change you can believe in.

by "tack" do you mean "tactic?" Or tack, as in a nail? Or a sewing accessory? Or part of a sail? Funny how you laughed at someone else's problem with loose v. lose.

How can anybody take Sarah Palin seriously? How can you endorse her rehearsed folksiness and claim to be an intelligent person?

"by "tack" do you mean "tactic?" Or tack, as in a nail? Or a sewing accessory? Or part of a sail? Funny how you laughed at someone else's problem with loose v. lose. "

'ey paisano,

Maybe you shoulda do a little research before you speaka to me. No? What's a matta for you-ah? Only beena inah country short distance?

This is whatta I mean by tacka

"also, a change of direction; as, to take a different tack; -- often used metaphorically. [1913 Webster]"

"The part where there's no proposal to "totally replace our current system." "

maspring,

What's in that 2700 page bill, cookie recipes? Did they abandon this totally?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/files/jec-health-chart.pdf

If so, maybe we have some common ground. Like I said yesterday, if they are willing to start over (they're not), then you are going to find that most of the resistance melts away.

If they are not, it solidifies. If they do away with the filibuster, it turns to steel. If they implement healthcare without Republican (i.e., Tea Party, The People's) support, well it ain't gonna be pretty. I hope it doesn't come to that, but we'll end up winning anyway so maybe that's what it's going to take. The only question I have is will the Republicans ever really be able to get big enough majorities to repeal whatever the Democrats manage to pass. That's asking alot, even for me.

"If they are not, it solidifies. If they do away with the filibuster, it turns to steel. If they implement healthcare without Republican (i.e., Tea Party, The People's) support, well it ain't gonna be pretty. I hope it doesn't come to that..."

I sincerely hope it does.

The Republicans threatened to get rid of the filibuster when the Democrats were blocking their judge appointees.

I'm sorely pissed the Democrats haven't returned the favor.

Oh, and as for having the majorities to repeal anything that the Democrats have done. The Republicans only 55 members in the Senate when they threatened to repeal the filibuster. If they wanted to take up healthcare reform (or social security or Medicare) they could have. They could have used the same procedure.

They complain about these programs but they don't touch them. Not because they don't have the votes but because they're popular.

If healthcare reform gets passed. And people can no longer get dumped for pre-existing conditions. And a national exchange goes into place which allows for purchasing healthcare across state lines. And 25 million people have insurance who didn't have it before (all in the 2,700 page bill).

And there are no death panels.

Then the Republicans aren't going to touch it regardless of their majorities.

"If healthcare reform gets passed. And people can no longer get dumped for pre-existing conditions. And a national exchange goes into place which allows for purchasing healthcare across state lines. And 25 million people have insurance who didn't have it before (all in the 2,700 page bill). "

As long as there is no new beaurocracy and they scrap the 2,700 page bill and start over, I'm with you. That would take roughly 5 pages.

posted by; reardongalt
[We moved on to: Real Hope and Real Change. That's the Tea Party slogan]

If that isnt the most oxymoronic statement I have ever read. Change and conservative mentioned in the same idea? The whole definition of a conservative is "One that does not like change" You dont want to change anything, you want it to stay just the way it is. Exhibit A, "we don't want any part of government run healthcare totally replacing the current system" Why? Because that would be a CHANGE from what we have. The rich insurance companies stay rich, and the poor and uninsured die in the streets because they cant afford to go to a dr. And Listen to the people? You mean listen to us conservative narrow minded christians while we shove our bible down your F-ing throats! "Stop baking cookies for terrorists, start interrogating them" You mean TORTURE them. That attitude doesnt surprise me coming from gun toting, war mongering, homophobic, xenophobic, pro death penalty BUT pro life, hate preaching, racist, sheep hearders! Real Hope? What a joke...you mean real hope that nothing changes!

Sarah can read things off her hands and Beck can diagram the sentences on a chalk board. Oh, the theatre!

Gosh I'm sorry I never knew that waterboarding just makes one 'uncomfortable' and is not something cruel and inhuman and below the behaviour of a civilized country. Clearly we are losing out on a valuable law enforcement and investigatory tool, so lets introduce waterboarding as a standard police/FBI procedure in precincts across the land.
You probably will then argue that, "it's only for use on those we deem as terrorists (because Dick Cheney says it gets results)". Well if thats the case then why not go the whole hog and import some real painful procedures from other parts of the world such as plugging the suspect into the mains, or pushing red hot metal rods up their anus? After all it is results that matter, the end is more important than the means. The police will be very happy, no more gumshoe boring detective work painstakingly collecting evidence, why just haul in the likely suspects and take down to the basement and waterboard them until they confess - easy peasy.

That's right folks! Waterboarding is not torture. Didn't you hear? The American troops that we waterboard for training have found that it's so benign a tool that some have now started using it to discipline their 4 year-old children for not reciting their ABC's correctly. So, how harmful can it be?

(Really, some loon actually did this. Thank all that's descent in this world that he's already been arrested)

I'll tell you where I get my information, in no particular order: Reason.com, OpenLeft, KOS, RealClearPolitics, NPR, 538.com, etc. See, a variety of sources. I'm generally liberal, but Reason, and RealClearPolitics are by no mean left leaning.
So Rev, do you get your info from a range of sources?

to LanceL..

I'll be happy to list just a few examples from the wide range of sources I rely on for information on any given day, now besides TDB I will frequent ........... Salon.com, Wall Street Journal. Washinton Post, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, The Nation, The Village Voice, NY Times, NPR, 610AM and 1420AM, LA Times, Miami Herald, Politics Daily, Mother Jones, ProPublica, Atlanta Journal Constitution, The Daily Caller, Media Research Center, GOProud, Huffington Post, Drudge.... suffice it to say, this should be enough of my list to not only satisfy your curiousity, but also stifle any suggested inferences you intended with your petulant questioning.

Ummm... Rev? You questioned him first in this exchange.

RevPettibone: Not that I doubt you or anything, but if you really read all those sources diligently, you wouldn't have time to post your asinine comments here on the DB.

to RawhideRex...

Ummmm Raw ? you're mistaken.... scroll up and you'll see I first questioned somebody by the name of Curiouser .

to AlanD2.......

My dear friend, far be it for me to think you would ever attempt to discredit anything I say..... luckily for me your commentary usually falls apart on it's own, as replying to your nonsense only cuts in to my reading time...... Sometimes I wish Evelyn Woods had offered a speed-typing course too.

Yes, and tons of people watch Jersey Shore. Should I believe that show is the epitome of television?

Actually, in those same polls almost all conservatives who watch Fox admitted that they don't even bother watching any other channel. While liberals watch both their own choices, as well as Fox to some extent. Granted, the liberals watch Fox mostly in an effort to hear the next thing they want to argue with. But at least they end up hearing both sides of the debate. But if the average conservative viewer of Fox only watches Fox, that means that they only receive the information the way that Fox wants to present it. Even if they end up disagreeing with the liberal news views in the end, at least they would have heard both sides of the argument before deciding.
Also important to take the time to point out that Fox has been caught in complete contradictions of their own coverage on more than one occasion. But since those viewers never watch any other channel, they never saw the evidence and continue to believe everything Fox says without question. Not saying liberal media is innocent either. But giving Fox the 100% stamp of approval is a bit naive too.

richard reid, john allen muhammad....should i continue?

Hey there Don. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. The Clinton administration filled in the Bush people about OBL and Dick Cheney blew them off..its all in the report but I seriously doubt you'll read it, much like you'll read anything that conflicts with your warped sense of history. Bush was President from 2000 until 2008. 9/11 happened in 2001. There has been zero terrorist attacks on American soil under Obama..sorry once again if the conflicts with your warped sense of the facts on the ground. Clinton left office in 2000. Shall I do the math for you or would that just be a waste of my time since you're convinced that 2001 was also a Clinton year. You're like a fish in a barrel Don...so easy to pop holes in all your bluster. You are truly one of those that Rush Limbaugh would describe as a 'retard'...not my words, but Rush's. You got a problem with the facts Don, we don't

Richard Reid.

There were many attacks on America under Bush/Cheney, many of them committed by Bush/Cheney.

It's strange when people like you say things like that. So many Democrats are angry with Obama, saying he's not changed anything he said he would. They've said they're starting to feel he's just more of the same. So if he hasn't really changed anything from the Bush/Cheney way, how can it be Obama policy that's to blame? They're almost exactly the same policies that Bush/Cheney had. The terrorists that Cheney said only got to do what they did 'cause Obama's "soft on terror" release policy let them out to commit more crimes? Those precise men were actually released under the Bush/Cheney administration.
Oh I forgot..........when Dems do it, they're burning this country to the ground. When Repubs do it, they're saving us from imminent doom.

Yo that corpse-man joke really needs to die. It wasn't funny the first time around. Its amazing how openly hypocritical repubs are. Questioning Bush was nearly considered treason and now its in style to publicly admitting to wanting the president to fail and so vehemently opposing his policies. Obama is a socialist, fascist? Do guys know what fascism means. I'm assuming because critics frequently denoucned Bush's articulation you are excessively, borderline obsessively, pointing out this one blunder by Obama. I swear I've heard more "Its Bush's fault" as anticipatory remarks from repubs than actual defenses from libs of Obama's obstacles. If only you guys spent this much insight and energy on policies rather than irrational protests, and witty slogans and billboards. The Obama/Joker one was brilliant.

Palin sat at a convention where every other speaker spewed racist barbs to rile up unintelligent lemmings through hate; all for the repug leadership's political gain.
Rush has spewed racial hate for years.
The repug teabag party is based on racial hate.

coughcoughPATROBERTSONcoughcough

Obama's mother is white, you simpering clown! His grandparents are white! His kid's are a quarter WHITE! So he just hates part of himself? Part of his kids? What a ridiculous, dumbass, Beckian thing to say!

This is why Palin is so popular with 25% of the country and detested by the rest. Because 25% of Americans are so mindnumbingly stupid that it's impossible to talk to them.

Go away, Pioneer 7. Take hop on American Pack Mule's saddle and ride far far away..

Pioneer.... please stop with the lies.

Talk to us about his policies (hated or not)... not about rumors and gossip.

bthove and RawhideRex-so them sitting in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years was "lies?" and what the fu*k difference does it make if his mother is white and his grandparents are white, etc? If he has been indoctrinated with the white hatred like in Michelle's dissertation and Rev. Wright, it's there.

Obviously when Obama jumped on the Boston Policeman for "racial" intolerance, but doesn't want to "jump to conclusions" on the Islamofascist that killed 12 soldiers, he is showing how he thinks and this permeates his policies.

Stop sticking your head in the sand and living a dream on what Obama really is and stands for.

COUGHCOUGHpatrobertsonCOUGHCOUGH

So, am I correct in assuming that you think that his entire upbringing, surrounded by his white mother and her white parents, relationships that certainly lasted more than 20 years, magically got erased because of a church he went to? And also that since the reverend, and the congregation, were/are Americans, the "anti-American rantings" must have been some elaborate and complicated exercise in self-hatred and wishing themselves harm?
Since he's a flaming racist, there must be some grand conspiracy in the works to explain why he chose to surround himself with mostly white people in his administration? Yes, I see. I see how choosing people as incredibly white as Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Emmanuel (I know, he's Jewish, but for most that still counts as "white"), David Axelrod, Arne Duncan.......(this list could go on forever, couldn't it?) would help solidify his plan for black domination. This is obviously what a blatant racist who HATES white people would do. He'd deliberately choose his staff to make sure that he had to spend his entire day, SURROUNDED by the filthy things, right? Makes total sense!
Not to mention the fact that it hardly seems fair, since we've never had a white racist as president in this country. I mean, really! What a confusing, topsy-turvy world this is, huh? *eye roll*

Pioneer7,

Let me come down to your level for a brief moment. Where the fu*k is your proof that the Reverend Jeremiah Wright spewed racist and Anti-American rantings beyond one, single lecture that the right has taken out of context?

Where the fu*k is your proof that they wanted to 'make sure the kids also developed a chip on their shoulder' and carried on the tradition?

Or is that another baseless, paranoid, knee-jerk dumb fu*king assumption?

Why the fu*k would anyone want to be president of America if they hated America?

Why the fu*k would a man who hated white people fill his cabinet with them?

Why the fu*k are you so assbackwards and dumb, Pioneer7?

How the fu*k can you even get out of bed in the morning, manage to breathe AND put your clothes on at the same time?

Or does the fu*king Beckster coach you through?

Poor Pioneer7. A total dumb fu*k!

pioneer7: Why do you bother with such obvious lies?

In the 15 years or so that Obama and his family attended this church, Fox News could find only a handful of short clips to back up your claim.

Don't you think Fox looked at every second of every sermon in hopes of finding more? I do. And if Fox had found them, you can bet your last dollar that you would have seen them on Fox News.

This is Palinte bait-and-switch nonsense. We're talking about Sarah Palin, and you want to change the subject to Obama. So what you're saying is Sarah is terrible but Obama is worse?

bthove

they're all dead, we don't know what any of them would say about him. Remember, racist white granma died right on cue. Has his bc and all documents under seal with the court, what is he hiding? He doesn't seem to be making the right choices for America which makes it a lot more worrisome. Then we find that the state of IL never required proof of citizenship. you can see why people are concerned. When you have a "president' who seems to be breaking the country. I don't trust him at all, so it makes his "lack of transparency" that much worse!

Thanks... I was thinking of them as a unit, as 1. But! Racism is to be a Shield, Not a Sord! ( we will need to adjust Spell Check, to your Correction.)

Why the fu*k would anyone want to be president of America if they hated America? { AFTER BUSHES, IS A Good IDEA! }

who are you talking about ...who is "them".....

"...who is "them"....."

The Producers.

You are a child, and not in a good way. I would say you have the mentality of a sixth grader, but that would be an unwarranted insult to sixth graders everywhere. You have a very high opinion of yourself, but reading your posts you are one of the biggest dipshits I have ever seen on TDB, and there are some major league dipshits posting here, all of whom, BTW agree with you on the issues.

"You are a child, and not in a good way."

Phwew! Thanks for clearing that up. For a second there I thought you were calling me a child in a good way.

"you are one of the biggest dipshits I have ever seen on TDB"

Just "one of"? Aww come on. I'm striving to be "THE" biggest dipshit. That would be the highest acheivement possible. Think about it. On this site, that would be like the Devil thinking you were the worst Saint in the Universe.

But I'll accept just being "one of". There are some good guys/gals here besides me.