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How Obama's College Plan Hurts My Generation

College student studying Obama's ideas do nothing to confront the real problem—that the cost of college is growing far too fast.

Senator Barack Obama devoted part of the Saturday before Election Day to an interview with MTV where he discussed one of the most important topics on the minds of young voters: paying for college. Obama told host Sway Calloway that both he and his wife had taken out large amounts of student loans to pay for college and law school and added that “When we got married, I think together our total loan payments every month was more than our mortgage when we bought a house, and that lasted for about 10 years.”

As a college sophomore who works as an editor at a personal finance website, I'm well aware of the problems facing students. I've gotten emails from peers who were forced to leave their first-choice colleges mid-year because of financial constraints. I have friends who have taken on $80,000 of debt to finance four years at a private college. One friend of mine was told by his parents that he will have to take on a substantial debt load for his final two years of college because of a decline in the value of the stocks they hold.

Students need to pay for college the right way: by working 80-hour weeks during the summer.

But Obama's ideas do nothing to confront the heart of the problem. The issue isn't just that students can't come up with the cash for college, it’s that the cost of college is growing far too fast. From 2002 to 2006, tuition and fees at public universities rose 57%, according to The College Board. That's more than three times the rate of inflation and, more troubling, far faster than our real economic and wage growth over that period.

Most of my peers supported Obama. Polls show he won the under-30 vote by 34 points, the largest of any candidate in a generation. A lot of students are attracted to his humble roots and commitment to education. And he has discussed plans for easing the burden of college costs: increasing the Pell Grant program, cutting out banks as middlemen in the direct loan program, tuition credits in exchange for participation in the Peace Corps, and perhaps helping recent graduates consolidate their debt.

Increasing the federal Pell Grant program sounds noble, but it really isn't. Given the state of the federal budget, is it really fair for people like me to pay for college by borrowing from the next generation? That isn't just irresponsible. It's immoral. The Baby Boomers have already victimized my generation this way by elevating the national debt to nearly $35,000 for every man, woman and child in America. This was a myopic act of selfishness that my friends and I will spend a good portion of our lives paying for, but the last thing we should do is pass it onto our children with interest.

Increasing the amount of money available for students and their families to borrow only exacerbates the problem by eliminating the natural ceiling that affordability places on costs. Why should colleges worry about cutting costs when the federal government is lending students more money each year to cover tuition hikes, and families are all too willing to take it? The most reprehensible of these programs is the Federal PLUS loan program, which allows parents to take out loans to help their kids pay for college. In 2004, the parents of 15.3% of graduating seniors took out Federal PLUS loans, with an average loan amount of $17,709, according to The Project on Student Debt. Think about it: If Boomer parents don't have the cash available to pay for college for their kids, what business do they have borrowing it? These people need to be focusing on their own retirement needs, which is why I would never dream of allowing my own parents to take out a Federal PLUS loan.

In fact, a tightening in the student loan market could be just the tough love students need to get them to pay for college the right way: by working 80-hour weeks during the summer, and taking advantage of work-study opportunities. It could push students to take summer classes at a community college (I did this last summer) so they can graduate in less time. Or do their first two years at a community college while working full-time and living at home, then transferring to a more prestigious school to complete their junior and senior years. Or how about this wild idea: spend a little less money on weed. As a student at a large public university, I can assure you that I have not observed a recession-driven decline in on-campus alcohol consumption. If students are unwilling to make these types of sacrifices to pay for their own education, why should we ask taxpayers—and future taxpayers—to make those sacrifices for them?

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November 10, 2008 | 6:17am
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KFDart05

Dear Daily Beast: Please fire Zac.

Dear Zac: The quality of writing and critical thinking produced even by our top colleges and Ivies is in need of great repair. I cannot imagine what sort of degradation two years of community college education will cause to our entry-level workforce. Stop blogging and go to the library (UMass consistently ranks high on Princeton Review's list of 'Students Who (Almost) Never Study').

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8:32 am, Nov 10, 2008
tomfarr

When the price of gasoline goes up, politicians rage, hold hearings, and castigate the oil companies. When colleges
raise tuition year after year at double the rate of inflation, there is no such response. Strange, considering that families spend far more on college educations than they do on gasoline. I wonder if the reason is that the academic world is overwhelmingly Democratic, and the Pelosis and Reids of Congress do not want to offend their supporters.
The American college system is incredibly wasteful and inefficient, stretching out two years of work over four years, indulging students in pursuing causes unrelated to getting a degree, and faculty with minuscule teaching loads.
It is a disgraceful system crying out for reform.

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9:08 am, Nov 10, 2008
GreyNord

As a transfer student to a state university, working full-time for the whole of my college career, I am still looking forward to $20,000 of debt when I graduate (before interest). That isn't nearly as much as some going to a private university full-time of course and I realize I am not in as deep - however, why should I be penalized for making more money to pay for college? Don't even get me started on the high cost of medical schools (with hardly any options for loan forgiveness programs). Not everyone is planning to be a star surgeon.

I voted for Obama, but for any economic plan to work, the nation's future earners cannot be paying back loans for their education for a good portion of their careers.

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9:23 am, Nov 10, 2008
ColoradoCynic

Excellent article, Zac. A couple of other points:
I've never heard one person attack the higher education industry (and it IS an industry) the way Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Box Stores or even Big Fast Food. Why is that? Why is higher ed still allowed to raise its rates like a cable company on meth? College campuses are the only places in the nation seemingly immune to the free market. While I'm struggling to pay my mortgage and can't refinance in a horribly down market, the local U is building more ivory towers.
Second, I went the community-college-first route, then to a small college I could afford, so I don't have nearly the debt that others do. However, those colleges were woefully lacking in connections to local and state businesses (y'know, the real world) and once I graduated I was fully on my own without a bit of follow-up or support -- and yet they still call every year wanting MORE money from me. If we're going to have to commit half our working life to paying them off, colleges and universities, along with spending regulation, should have to commit to five years of career counseling, providing networking opportunities, job placement and follow-up. That should be their moral and fiscal obligation; it's a foreign term called customer service -- something else that exists only in the real world.
Third, your points about the Baby Boomer generation spend-today-make-someone-else pay are only the tip of the iceberg. A century or two from now, historians will show that right after their parents, the Greatest Generation, the Boomers proved themselves to be the Worst Generation. It has not only squandered nearly everything it inherited, it is leaving a bigger mess for the next generation to clean up -- and I don't think we're going to be able to do it by the time we get done paying not only for our children (who live in a far more screwed up society than even we did when we became the first latchkey kids) but also for the overwhelming Social Security and Medicare entitlements that shouldn't have been so needed had Boomers saved a little bit. The excesses and selfishness of that generation are perfectly embodied in the two Boomer presidents we've had, Clinton and Bush. Those history books of the future will show that our American civilization began its downfall in the 16 years of their "leadership."

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10:07 am, Nov 10, 2008
ThoughtsOfTheDay

I agree that the focus needs to be changed from the status a college infers to an actual education which we can -and need to- supply affordably to large numbers of our citizenry. However, I STRONGY disagree that that we should take the position that only the strong who can struggle very hard should be educated at a higher level. We need to make education ACCESSABLE. As it stands, college represents class division far more than producing an educated citizenry to a. participate more fully in our democracy and b. become the most productive members of our society and strengthening our nation. So we have kids scrambling for position in society from a consumerist point of view, while those not in on the game are neglected entirely. Kids are essentially buying a lifestyle at all costs. From this vantage point it's no wonder that irresponsibility and immoderation is built in to the system. And, the major cost is that the focus on learning is lost as a goal. Community colleges don't beacon and a guiding light to learning but rather slouch by as a beacon of underachievement and disinterest. Who wants to go there? I remember switching from a gifted class in middle school to a "regular class" and being stunned by the level of disparity in the teaching. Lethargy, apathy are diseases that spread. When higher education reigns as a symbol of a sicker car, a deferential -or not contemptuous- look, rather than a way to better oneself, to become smarter, to engage more fully with the world, than by definition it is going to require exclusion, not inclusion. We can't afford that. The legacy of the baby boomer generation is more than just selfishness and debt and mismanagement. There was a lot of reasoned thought about the world around us, ideas that are being taught at the highest level of educational institutions today. The world is not "far more screwed up" than it was -people always want to think that. It's always been screwed up. Life is fluid and complex. Money is a symbol. We really make up the rules to life, collectively. Society shifts. It can break down -at any time. This is a dangerous lesson history has taught us. It can also progress to a more intelligent method of social structure. My point here is that we need to make education interesting -as it inherently is- rather than a means to look down our noses at other or not have others look down their noses at us (an advantage for which we'll tend to pay any amount if we can). Community colleges need inspired teachers who make learning inviting and don't just phone it in. There is the -maybe slim- possibility that Obama can inspire this in us - to make us ALL do a better job. To participate a little more fully. The funny thing is, it's actually a lot more enjoyable.

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10:52 am, Nov 10, 2008
iancgood

Great article. As a huge Obama supporter throughout his candidacy, I cringed when I heard him talk about a $4k tuition credit.
All that will do is make college cost $4k more per year. Part of the reason that college costs are spiraling is because more
and more people are entering the system ever year, which puts great demand on the system.
Another part is that more and more money is available (federal, state, private loans).
Have you noticed that the University of Phoenix (the bird, not the city) charges exactly as much as you can borrow from the federal government?
You recommend pushing community college. But that is because community colleges are cheaper.
What we need to do is find out how and why they are cheaper and copy that success into the four year programs in order to
make them competitive. One way might be to adjust the amount of federal money available inversly to how much the school tuition costs.
This would provide the incentive for large, expensive schools to cut costs. I was one of the suckers who borrowed his way through a small private school and will spend twenty
years of my life regretting it. I counsel everyone I know to go to the cheap schools, that one school is as good as another
as far as most employers are concerned.

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12:14 pm, Nov 10, 2008
Iamadog

Bravo Zac. Finally. I am adjunct at a University in Boston. I've been telling my students to get busy--organize--begin a grass roots campaign. I was busy in the 60's and I didn't have the Internet. You all can do it. The spotlight has to settle on this scandel which is every bit as big as Wall Street and the Health Insurance Industry. It's a huge story and unfortunately comes at a time when the media is essentially useless as the investigator for an uninformed public. There was however a very good article written in the Boston Globe Magazine (which should have been a news feature) on 10/5/08 by one Jon Marcus. It is full of information an statistics.

It's up to the grass roots to start this fix and while you are at it, go after the textbook industry.

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12:28 pm, Nov 10, 2008
LizzieV

I couldn't agree more. After spending a fortune on a four-year college degree, I realized my BA would get me nowhere. Now I'm taking CC classes and have an attainable career goal. I wish I had done it this way the first time around.
I think many high school students are shipping themselves off to college and not thinking about future debt without any real clue what they're doing. They don't know what they want to study, or what career, realistically, they want to work towards. When a four-year degree is an expectation, it's easy for these schools to continually increase their tuition, often times to help pay for non-education related expenditures (a new state of the arm gym...). I don't think it's a coincidence that as more and more high school kids see a four-year school as their only option, the number and cost of these schools increases. Education is great, and it's incredibly important, but it's also important to know what you want to get out of it, other than getting away from your parents and drinking yourself into a stupor on a regular basis.
(And I worked nights when I was in school! I worked hard, and I got up at 6am during the week to read Hobbes and Locke and Joyce! I see college kids with designer clothes and iPhones, girls with Prada bags, and I'm like, wait a minute, aren't you supposed to be poor college students?? )

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12:54 pm, Nov 10, 2008
huntman58

Great write up. My wife step son, and step daughter have or are going to local community collage first then on to a state university. We each still have to take on some loan debt to cover all the cost, being I am disabled, she and two of her kids are full time students and one has a child. She raised her kids first and is now working on her life. She also is a 4.0 student who I am proud of. My own Daughter could not get any aid as her mother and step father would not help her and they make too much for her to get any. She is getting deep in debt besides working all the hours she can again holding a 4.0 GPA.

Now my thoughts on this and Obama's promise to collage bound students. On his web sight for the transition he has down that collage people will need to do 100 hours a year and for that they will get a $4,000.00 tax credit. Now I know that will not even cover one semester of cost at all here for one of student. During the campaign he said if you did volunteer work for two years you would have your tuition paid for. Now the truth is coming out as I am sure more will in the coming days and months. The youth that voted for him believed him and now they will get to taste his failure on his promises that they took at face value. now add to this mix a student in a internship, so you have 100 hours forced ops volunteer work on top of 100 plus hours internship added to you're full time class work. Then add in any hours you need to work to pay for what his promise to you now will not. I wonder how many will be able to keep that up or how many will drop out because they just can not do it and still keep up there grades.
The strange part in this is a few days back on the sight he had the word (required) when talking about the 50 hours for middle school and high school kids a year. That now has been removed from all the web blogging on it. So keep your eyes open so much promised and now the truth is coming so little fallow threw. Is 4 grand worth it? Did you vote because you were told you would have your tuition paid for? If so fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me! Remember that when you vote again based on promises and not a record of what a person has done. when looking forward we have to look back to see what they have done as that helps us see were they plan to go just like a road map.. So now what's next that he promised? tell we know as the writer of the article said cost just keep going up and up and up so there really is little very little help coming from Obama's promises. wonder what other things were promised and we will find out do not happen now that votes are no longer needed.

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1:21 pm, Nov 10, 2008
pacifistgunslinger

The Xbox generation needs to stop whining about the so-called Boomers. If Xboxers think it was easy and cheap to get an education in the '60s and early '70s, think again. Many of these so-called hippy hedonists worked their way through school or used GI benefits for school after slogging through the idiocy of Vietnam. Loans were every bit as difficult and expensive; many of us paid off our loans over time just as you must. Here's a tip: stop playing "Kill Monsters All Over The Universe" with your thumbs, stop wasting your money on iPhones, iPods and iToilets and maybe you'll have enough for tuition. And start reading. Books. Know what they are? You don't have to plug them in or anything.

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1:27 pm, Nov 10, 2008
klava1985

Hi,

Not every kid can work 80-hr weeks in the summer. Some have younger siblings or even ill parents to care for. Some have internships or study abroad or service programs to participate in that might not pay. I don't see why someone from an impoverished family should have to work 2-4 times as hard as someone from a privileged one. Though I do think we should stop penalizing people who work by reducing their need rating.

As for baby boomers being irresponsible and passing on debt... ha. I'm a boomer/Xer cusper and we always thought, growing up, that the Greatest Gen was leaving us with impossible debt, bankrupt social security, etc. Under Clinton, a boomer, all of that was righted. It's only recently that it's gone whacko again, but obviously that's not because of the boomers in general.

Each generation seems to feel this anger at its predecessors, so let's move beyond this very tedious cliche.

I'm not sure it's an issue that we'd be borrowing from younger generations if we extend Pell grants (or move to subsidize education in the way that European countries do). After all, those younger kids will also benefit from an expanded Pell program or reduced tuition overall.

I'm not thrilled about "thrifty" approaches to education, such as going to state or community colleges. (Though I don't think it's true that community colleges are as bad as some people have said in this discussion... in general, community college kids are there because they want to be, not just because college is the next step or because their parents sent them there on autopilot...I taught at a state university and the indifference and laziness there was unspeakable...) As a single parent I saved a lot of money to send my kid to college. I also limited my family size to one kid so that I could be sure to give him a private education. However, it's suddenly not enough. And we're unlikely to qualify for much aid. Which means he's likely to go to a state school. I resent that. I wanted him to be able to attend a small school with an emphasis on seminar-style classes, where he would be challenged by his peers. I feel that he'll be much more prepared for life and much more tightly networked for success if he attends a prestigious school. Plus, he'll have a more satisfying intellectual experience and will have more confidence if he's tested by his peers. (I went to a "flagship" state university, for financial reasons, after having attended an excellent high school. At the university, I got a great education content-wise, but was bored out of my mind, got straight As with zero effort and never had any real sense of how smart I really was... because no one was even close. It was quite a change from the competitive high school, and a total shock.) This is what I planned for his whole life and now it's out of reach.

As I said, I resent that.

I also don't want him to be saddled with much debt, as I want him to be able to choose what he *wants* to do, rather than what he *has* to do to pay off loans. I didn't raise a kid just to ship him straight to the cubicle gulag. If he doesn't want to be a doctor or a lawyer, per the Obamas, he shouldn't have to acquire a huge amount of debt. Smart, talented, well-educated people are also needed in teaching, in museum curation, in non-profit organizations, in research science. Graduates should be able to make these choices. Worst case, they should acquire debt in graduate or professional school, not at the undergraduate level.



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1:43 pm, Nov 10, 2008
sugarface

On KFDart's post on writing quality and critical thinking: Dart's angry, personal rhetoric is hyperbolic to the point of muffling the message.

I would like to modify/qualify Dart's point, though. The community college solution will not do the job. I work at a public university where students often take this route; because of it, they are injected suddenly into a more rigorous program but with truly bad training, and become second-class citizens in their own university.

This goes double for students who are forced to work 80-hour weeks (!) while in college, and for students who pack their semesters in tight to expedite their educations. They lose out immensely, they don't get the training they need, and inevitably fall behind their peers.

The new system you're proposing should not reward the kind of obsessive, exhausting working that these students do. An education cannot be expedited -- if it is, it becomes increasingly commodifiable -- the divide between students who slack and students who work to the point of learning *nothing* (or retaining nothing, or seeing their education as a simple get-it-over-with means to an end) will only increase. I understand your desire to, well, punish those students who do not work as hard or as effectively as you do -- but I think it is misplaced.

What needs to change, and I think you know this, is the level of fear that causes such obsessive behavior: fear that all of this money will go to waste as you graduate into a worsening economy with rising debt. In that case, focus on the reform and accountability aspects of your plan. The amount of money skimmed off the top by greedy administrators (at public and private universities) is astronomical; use Obama's proverbial scalpel (not hatchet) to fix that problem, and the rest will fall together. And community colleges should be held to a level of accountability too -- they are still colleges, but they often rush their students through with high-school level training at best. This decline in critical thinking/writing is visible at the private/public university level, too -- any system which further rushes or commodifies that process will be devastating (and produce more video-game zombies than you realize -- though there's nothing inherently wrong with gaming, of course).

And if you do form that grassroots movement (and I think you should), do enlist graduate students. At UC Berkeley, one of the main ways that the administration has gotten away with murder is by keeping grads and undergrads ignorant of each other's situation (cutting our funding only after the undergrads have left for the summer, etc). Most graduate instructors -- and indeed, many full faculty -- are paid below a living wage. And we're most often the ones who take on most of the teaching. If we line up together, the question "wait -- where does all this increased tuition *go*?" will have to be asked.

Anyway, back to my grading. Thanks for this article, and good work.

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1:44 pm, Nov 10, 2008
CathyK83

KFDart05, I couldn't agree more.
LizzieV, that is your own fault for getting an unrealistic degree.

Zac, Sweetheart, I want to know why AOL Money and Finance is so desperate, they're willing to vomit your ignorant, brain-washed thoughts all over the internet. Not only did you memorize a bunch of useless garbage about loans, you didn't stop to think about the actual value of an education. Have you been to any community college recently and seen the variation between their idea of a 10th grade educational review and an actual college? Have you worked an 80-hour a week summer? Exactly how much of this weed are you smoking to create this financial pit and get these ideas implanted in others' brains. Why are you suggesting that we should pay for the Baby Boomers' mistakes, rather than push it on kids, who'll just push it on theirs. National debt will be there forever, it was actually a plan of Hamilton's to eliminate the possibility of secession, in case your community college education is lacking. Personal debt, however, is not something I'm going to impose on my children. Yes, I agree that frivolous spending, when knee-deep in loans, is ridiculous. Yes, if the possibility of working while in school is an option, it should be taken. And, yes, prices for schools are getting outrageous. There are other options. If you've got the brains to make it in college, you've got the brains for scholarships and no, they're not all affirmative action or based on minorities. Personally, I'm a white girl from an upper-middle class family who could and did pay my way through school. That doesn't mean that I didn't fill out over 50 scholarships to help out with my 30k a year tuition fees. I had a 4.0 in high school, and found it beyond aggravating to be punished for the color of my skin. But, I still found the scholarships, and due to my involvement and grades, helped pay for a lot of my schooling. My best friend in college had the same predicament, but her family couldn't afford the 30k. Luckily for her, she had smaller loans, did the research to make sure she wasn't getting screwed over in the long-run, worked her way through, and got the scholarships she needed. She maintained a social life, and a GPA of above a 4.0, and didn't have to wave any white flag of ill-poverty, accepting any fate of going to a community college because she had to work for it.

Get a work ethic, Zac. It'll work better than laying flat and playing dead.

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3:47 pm, Nov 10, 2008
Iamadog

Zac--Ignore the diatribes about how expensive it was in the 60s and 70s and the woeful state of critical thinking and writing and the pros and cons of Community College. You are on to something and there is value in many of the comments that I hope you can draw from. Read the Jon Marcus article. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2008/10/05/up_up_and_aw ay/

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4:17 pm, Nov 10, 2008
bunnyfufu

I agree that there are huge issues in how this country funds higher education but to say that Obama's hurting future generations is just ludicrous (the title "How Obama's College Plan Hurts My Generation"). The author seems to assume that universities are raising tuitions for the heck of it. Education is getting more expensive at least partially because everything is getting more expensive. And it doesn't help that the federal budget is not keeping up with inflation. Public universities across the nation are not getting funded by the federal government the way they used to. And the students pay with higher tuition. So to say that Obama's not doing anything to keep the costs down is pretty short-sighted. Unlike McCain, Bush, and almost every other Republican, Obama has come out more dedicated to funding the NIH and NSF. And since so many university budgets are partially reliant on the science and engineering discoveries, increasing the research budget helps keep universities solvent and tuition lower. Of course this is just one line of reasoning why I call BS on the author of this article. There are a lot of other reasons why Obama is not disregarding education.


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5:15 pm, Nov 10, 2008
bananaphone

This is the first time I have ever been disappointed in the Daily Beast. I am a pretty hardcore libertarian conservative and most of the opinions collected on this site slant slightly to the left, however I can certainly tolerate whatever biases the articles may have because I know the quality of the writing and the article itself is decent.

That being said, this article is the most abhorrent, idiotic, piece of journalistic trash that I have read on this site. I am removing the Daily Beast from my bookmarks and making it my life goal to see Zac Bissonnette fail as a person. His AOL money background hardly gives him credence, and the fact that he is pro-Obama does not surprise me. Clearly this man is struggling to defend his UMass education, and the only way he can compensate for it is by saying how sensible it is due to financial matters. I attend a top 30 USNEWS Private National University in New England and while it does not mean I am smarter than anyone, I feel the education I am getting out of two years here is far superior when compared to the community college in my hometown that Zac wants me to attend. Daily Beast, what the hell? This kid destroys the credibility of any average run of the mill lower end public university student, so I'll assume he ousted the majority of his brain cells in high school when he should have been prepping a little more for his SATs.

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5:54 pm, Nov 10, 2008
edububble

Zac--

You nailed this one. Great job. And check out my book, _Beating the College Bubble._ There are many ways to dodge the debt.

www.edububble.com

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7:42 pm, Nov 10, 2008
megnmac

This isn't exactly a new issue, and I really wasn't impressed with this article's take on it.

Yes, I am frustrated with my 100k that I had to take out for law school, and yes it is hard to pay that, and yes I hate hearing from the people that paid less than 10k 20 years ago... and no, an 80 hr a week job wouldn't have covered that...

I do agree that a part of the spiraling costs is the subsidization and fact that there is no ceiling in what people will be financed...

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8:07 pm, Nov 10, 2008
KFDart05

I second bananaphone. Blogging does not stand on its own feet as a single indicator of credibility. Further, Zac Bissonnette's contributions to these other sites as a blogger primarily consist of posting links to free things available via the internet. Please no more!

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8:19 pm, Nov 10, 2008
lovelaliga

Zac,
I agree that the debt college students are facing is daunting. on top of that, many young people have been targeted by credit cards and so we live with that debt too. As a result, i think twenty-somethings/college students often have no real sense of what it must be like to not have debt. and with the cost of basics - school, health insurance, cost of living - growing, the debt grows. With the financial crisis of late worsening the job market, one can certainly feel the noose tightening. it's a very hard time right now and i agree things are going to need to change. Your ideas though about working 80 hour weeks do only work for certain type/aged student. but i like that you tried to think of a multi-pronged approach. i was in Europe recently, and there, university-level education costs about $400 a semester. however, they have very limited resources in terms of things like the ratio of computers to students,and often there are far more students than desks. i am in law school and it is extremely encouraged to take all exams on laptop. however, overseas that was unheard of. honestly, considering the amount of debt i have amassed through undergrad (out of state) and now law school, the european system certainly seemed appealing.
as my debt increases, i just try to remember it's only money.

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12:18 am, Nov 11, 2008
rperhamus

I am a boomer, born 1957. 51 years old, B.S Engineer, MBA. I feel so guilty and ashamed about the burden we have placed on you, our youth for the high cost of education, and the pending social burden of entitlements and so many other issues. I have hope, that soon, our age group will shift our attention, and make social contributions(lower costs, higher value) for you, while creating a purpose for ourselves.






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12:54 am, Nov 11, 2008
Brendoni

While Obama's plan may not be bulletproof, your suggestions only go so far in providing a better alternative. Your argument that the federal government should hold schools more accountable for costs is noted, but how exactly would it go about doing this? Receiving financial aid for college shouldn't be a competition of who can work more part-time jobs. The price of college undoubtedly needs to become affordable for a higher percentage of the population, but the solution shouldn't compromise one's livelihood more than it already does. Instead of measuring how one works to atone for their debt, schools should look at the entire picture of the applicant. Were they taking care of younger siblings through out high school? Was the academic merit one achieved despite the absence of a strong parental unit? To base aid on what someone did to save money is a bit too narrow a measure for such a diverse population as college bound students.

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2:10 am, Nov 11, 2008
superhotmel

I read this article with interest, being from, and being university educated, in Australia. The Australian system for funding Higher education is very different from that of the United states, and something that some of you might find interesting.
I attended a fairly high ranking university in Melbourne for four years, coming away with two degree, as Bachelor of Science and a Bachelor of Education (as training to be a teacher in Australia requires a university education of four years). We don't have rules that force us to live 'on campus' or in dorms while we are there, but i came from a rural area, so i did.
After four years i have come away with a $20,000 debt, which is referred to as a HECS (Higher Education Contribution Scheme) debt. Its is a zero interest debt, only rising with the CPI. I also pay it back only when i earn above $36,600 a year. When i die, the debt disappears.
If i chose to take a more intensive course, such as Law or Medicine (as in Australia, these can be completed as a five year undergraduate course, as opposed to forcing more debt with graduate programs) then i would have paid more fees, as my debt was calculated based on the courses i was taking and level of funding for them required. The government want more nurses and teachers, so these are charged at the lowest levels.
Universities receive federal funding, and also charge international students fairly high fee's to attend our universities, to make up for the limited funds from domestic students.
Living on campus increased the cost of attending university, but with a good "welfare" system, most students are able to live to an Ok standard (the lack of affordable housing is usually the most pressing issue for students)

While many Australians complain about students living below the poverty line, this is not due to the fee's we are paying to attend university. Not having the burden of debt (my HECS isn't even an issue for me, i repay a small fraction from my wage every pay check, and it doesn't really register) allows not only for graduates to choose jobs based on want and interest, it also allows for students to focus on their education, rather than getting through quickly to minimise debt.

It is a system that the US could do well to adopt.

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4:27 am, Nov 11, 2008
AgathaX

I'm a bit surprised at some of the vitriol here.

The key issue is the wildly disproportionate increase in education expenses compared to that of other commodoties and the acceptance of a culture of debt for students. If Obama's proposed $4,000 tax credit to help with school cost is to mean anything, costs must be controlled.

The truth is that the quality of an education has as much to do with the effort the student puts into his studies, as it does with the particulars of a given educational facility. Most community college faculty attended school right along side people who teach at public or private universities. Perhaps their GPAs were not quite as impressive, perhaps they are more interested in teaching than in publication, or perhaps they have turned down jobs at universities in order to locate with their spouse or be near an aging parent. At any rate, gifted, committed teachers are to be found everywhere, and gifted committed students will succeed whether they meet up with these teachers at a community college or at a university, public or private. The idea that a better education is available from one facility than another is frequently unsupported--a fiction perpetrated by marketers to fill seats and justify costs.

That said, I believe in four year insitutions and would oppose any effort to push students into community colleges solely for cost purposes. At the same time, students need to stop seeking institutions that pander to their egos rather than their sense. And Congress needs to stop enabling fiscally irresponsible students and schools. Of Zac's proposals, the only one that speaks to me is the idea that students should not be penalized for earning money--particularly if they are applying the money to tuition or on-campus room and board expenses. Zac proposes that Congress hold schools accountable for controlling expenses, which is all well and good, but he doesn't say how.

First of all, the finances of any institution that accepts pell grants or federally guaranteed loans should be an open book. Secondly, there should be a cap on the amount of debt a student accepting these products can incur. And I mean all debt--including credit cards and car loans. Nothing will make the cost of private schools drop so quickly as empty seats due to the unavailability of grant and loan money.

We must leave the culture of debt behind. This begins with our approach to education.

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6:35 am, Nov 11, 2008
IJamesB

What utter trash.

Students would be able to pay their tuition without their parents taking out loans if only they would smoke less weed?


Raising the Pell Grant doesn't necessarily mean that we saddle the next generation with more debt.

Are you arguing that we eliminate the Pell Grant entirely?

Cause I got a Pell Grant, took out loans, worked on an Oil rigg in the summer, did work study, and worked two part time jobs to pay for school. I don't smoke weed or drink excessively and I still have 20G to pay off that as an artist living below the poverty line is a towering amount of debt for someone like me.
Although I worked throughout highschool--that was to pay for a car (an old clunker not a convertible and a necessity to go to school, so don't even start criticizing), buy my own clothes and contribute to the household. I could have made more but I was studying and trying to get a scholarship (which I did). Why shouldn't I be considered a better candidate for the Pell Grant than someone who didn't have to do those things?

Does everyone get a grant now? Because that sounds more like a crippling Welfare program than what the Pell Grant is now.

I hate to tell you this--but being able to work and save money in school isn't something that everyone's circumstances allow for.

My father didn't make it through college because he was dyslexic and couldn't work 40 hours a week and pass his classes.

You think the Pell Grant is some sort of hand out when it really is a hand up. A helpful hand to give people who otherwise couldn't afford to go to school a little bit of help.


The very fact that Obama made student loan debt and tuition costs a part of his campaign signals a new focus on a growing problem--that's what the focus should be.

If you're going to use a provocative title--Please back it up in your article. Also, reason and consistent logic are nice too. Leave the self righteous anger behind and think your theories through a bit more.

I just started reading the Daily Beast and I hope they use better judgement in picking their articles than they did in picking this one.

P.S. Here's my two cents: Costs are going up because more people are going to school--and a B.A.is more of a necessity to get a job and therefore doesn't guarantee an immediate high wage job that can quickly pay off the debt. AND both banks and credit companies have used predatory tactics to take advantage of students struggling to get through college. My loan was sold so many times when I left school that it took me months to track down who actually owned the note and where I should be making payments. I couldn't help but feel like they wanted me to default so the interest would pile up.

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How Obama's College Plan Hurts My Generation

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