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How Colleges Dupe Students

BS Top - Kingsbury College Tour Sara D. Davis / AP Photo As prospective students begin visiting campuses, universities are working hard to appear picture-perfect. Insiders tell Kathleen Kingsbury how not to get fooled by the scripted charade.

The campus tour is perhaps the biggest fleecing attempt in the college-admissions process—the quad has been perfectly manicured, the student tour guide carefully selected. But the campus tour isn’t just about seeing the campus. It’s all about finding the school that will change your life—a goal that can mean many things. Students may be looking for freedom, intellectual passion, or just hot girls. Parents, meanwhile, dream of a school with a drug-free (or at least drug-minimal) atmosphere and a tuition that doesn’t push their retirement start-date into their late 70s.

How to make the most of your campus visit while ensuring you’re not getting duped by the meticulously choreographed tour? The Daily Beast spoke to admissions officers, parents, students, and former tour guides for their advice on how to see the college for what it really is.

Don’t View Your Tour Guide as an Example of the Average Student…
“Of course, we always looked for the most enthusiastic students we could for tour guides. But they also had to be the dullest ones, too. We wanted to present the happy side of campus, nothing controversial at all, and nothing off the script. You learned nothing remotely interesting on our tours.” — a former admissions officer at Northeastern liberal arts college

…Case in Point
“At Yale, my daughter asked the guide what his least favorite part of school was. Good question, I thought. He literally said, ‘Only that school is only nine months a year.’” — Lauren Spaduzzi, a New York City mother

The Prospective Student Should Schedule the Tour
“My boss’ son is applying to college this year, and they’re going out to L.A. to visit some schools. He’s interested in Harvey Mudd, one of the Claremont-McKenna colleges. So I called and scheduled a tour and interview for him. My boss freaked out and asked why I’d done that, because apparently Harvey Mudd tracks who calls to schedule the interviews. Ideally, they want the kid to call, to show interest. Or fine, maybe the parent. But the parent’s assistant? That’s the worst.” — a well-meaning New York City personal assistant

Get to Know Your Tour Guide After the Tour
“Last fall I went along with a friend on a tour of Lewis & Clark. The tour guide was super-psyched when we said we were locals, almost to the point of being a little sketchy. At the end of the tour, he asked if he could speak to us for a minute, and I thought he wanted my friend’s number for sure. Nope. [Instead] he whispered, ‘Do you guys have a hookup for some good pot?’” — Anna Gill, 18, a Portland, Ore., high school senior

Don’t Get Wasted Before You Get In
“We always told kids if they were caught drinking or doing anything else illegal on an overnight visit, they more or less could count on not getting in. Yet every weekend, one of us could count on being called to the campus hospital to deal with a case of alcohol poisoning. Every weekend. How stupid can you be?” — a former Ivy League admissions officer

Sit In on a Class—to Observe the Students
“Visit a class or two for first-year students, and try not to be steered in your selection by the admissions office. Don’t pay too much attention to the person at the front of the room, but look around closely at the students. Are they participating? Are they engaged? Did they do the reading? Because students educate themselves in context, and you have to see if they want to be present in that classroom.” — Doug Bennett, president of Earlham College, an Indiana liberal-arts college

Ditch Your Folks

“[There was] the tour of a certain Ivy League campus wherein a certain B-rate comedian turned almost-senator (and alumnus of said institution) huffed, sighed, squatted, and wisecracked his way through said tour—to his son’s chagrin, and everyone else’s disgust.” — a 2007 Yale alumnus

No, Really, Ditch Your Folks
“The hardest part is getting the parents to stop freaking out. Usually, they spend the tour asking every single question they’ve ever thought of. Or they’re obsessed with crime stats or the one murder on campus in 1982. Or just repeat the tuition price over and over again. I always wanted to shake them.” — Doug Baker, independent college consultant and former admissions officer in Los Angeles

Be Prepared to Make Tough Choices
“I turned down a full ride to Duke for [University of] North Carolina after one weekend visiting a family friend there. He took me to a party at his frat that was, more or less, a drunken orgy—it was unbelievable. I woke up in a fountain half-naked, and I wanted every night of college to be just like that.” — a UNC junior

Have a Meal, and Consider the Season
“Be sure to eat there at least three times and at least once in the cafeteria. And visit in the winter. I visited Cornell on a gorgeous day last summer and fell in love. Now I’ve had to suffer through some of the worst food ever and the freezing cold for a year, and I seriously considered transferring.” — a Cornell rising sophomore

Inquire About Your Chances of Finding Your Soulmate
“One Southern not-quite-Ivy’s info session quoted a statistic about the percentage of students who meet their future spouses at the university—it was a ridiculous percentage and was meant to be a draw.” — a Georgetown alumna

Don’t Plan Too Far Ahead
“I always suggest families limit [the number of] college tours during the summer before senior year, because kids change. One of my students started senior year straight-laced and dreaming of studying engineering at Georgia Tech. By the spring, he’d found punk rock and was desperate to go to the Berklee College of Music.” — Meg Thomas, a high-school guidance counselor in Miami

Parents: Don’t Oversell
“I’ve been trying to sell my kid on Dartmouth, but he complains it’s too conservative and lacks diversity. Of course, we get there and the tour guide is the whitest guy you’ve ever seen who starts bragging about interning for John McCain’s campaign and loving hockey. I was dying.” — George Kyles, a Washington, D.C., stepfather

If You Suspect Your Tour Guide Is Sabotaging the Tour, She Probably Is
“My roommate was a campus tour guide at Notre Dame. She always dressed the part, wearing her J. Crew sweaters and knee socks. But, inevitably, she found me on campus and introduced me as her ‘lesbian lover’ to the families. She loved to freak out the Catholic parents.” — a Notre Dame alumna

Get a Feel for the Level of Pretentiousness and Backstabbing
“Our eldest daughter’s tour at Northwestern was crazy. It was her dream school for years. With every person we met, you could see the dream being chipped away by the bitter reality that the ivory towers were more like The Lord of the Flies. To a student, each one of them said the most important relationship was with your academic adviser. Oh, and don’t lend out your lab notes if you don’t want them to be sabotaged.

She wanted to jump off the rocks into Lake Michigan by the end of the day. If we heard one more kid drone on about their IB curriculum and the play they were writing for Tony Kushner, we would have joined her in that plunge. At some point, you wonder if they are accompanied by their parents or their agents.

I have purged that awful chapter from my mind. Our second daughter is more than a little miffed that we are not indulging in her fantasy college tour. We told her to see where she gets in and then we will think about visiting. I could not care less if the campus espresso bar and vegan food depot are to her liking.” — a St. Paul, Minn., mother of four

Kathleen Kingsbury is a writer based in New York. She's a contributor to Time magazine, where she has covered business, health and education since 2005.


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ApresSki

If you're female, do not leave until you've check their security, their stats on campus rapes & their response times!! Make a note of every building you go into and see where the exits are and where the stairs are.

How fast can you run to the exit? If you are going to that school, how fast can you get to the exit from your room? If there's a fire, how long is the drop from your window? Can tie sheets together & still get out? You have to have the brain of MacGyver in order to survive these days in schools where the buildings are old. When were these buildings built? Have they been upgraded? If so, when?

Keep your eyes and ears open . . . especially if you're female! No one will protect you except yourself. The important thing is to know how to protect yourself in all situations on & off campus.

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7:05 am, Jun 15, 2009
JohnnyH

Stay low! Eat bugs and grass!

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11:33 am, Jun 15, 2009
GREGORYABUTLER

Well - in the real world, most women are raped by a man they know.

So all the emergency exits in the world aren't going to save you from the boy you VOLUNTARILY brought back to your room who thinks that NO means MABYE.

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11:27 pm, Jun 15, 2009
sosuede

You know, it's far safer to never leave home. Entrances can be barricaded and canned food stored in the safe.

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1:39 am, Jun 18, 2009
UltimateFitz

-yawn-

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8:03 am, Jun 15, 2009
pricklypear

-yawn-
Yawns are contagious, you know.

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1:52 pm, Jun 15, 2009
Dreamer4Ever

-yawn-

Uh oh.

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4:11 pm, Jun 15, 2009
sosuede

-waste of electronic ink-

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9:59 am, Jun 15, 2009
Dreamer4Ever

Says someone who'se never tried to get into a high-pressure college.

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4:11 pm, Jun 15, 2009

This comment has been removed by The Daily Beast's editors.

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11:10 am, Jun 15, 2009
JohnnyH

It's just a business and they are telling you what you want to hear. Its all about the numbers.

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12:05 pm, Jun 15, 2009
JohnnyH

WOW! What a puff piece.

"How colleges dupe students."

1. Overpriced 'education'.
2. Convincing students its a privilege to be in college even though the student is paying for it.
3. Convincing students that colleges and universities are not business's.
4. Convincing students that they have been educated not indoctrinated.

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11:16 am, Jun 15, 2009
Dreamer4Ever

Wow! Sneer a little more at the higher-educators of the world Johnny, I think some of them didn't quite grasp your vitrol.

Have fun imagining a microbiology course or an organic chemistry lab or as "indoctrination."

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4:15 pm, Jun 15, 2009
lreyn84702

The few faculty members that are moderate or conservative keep their mouths shut. It is really quite sad. The place for ideas has become the place for idea. You can dispute that, but you are only kidding yourself.

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7:31 pm, Jun 15, 2009
shutterbabe

lreyn84702, I encountered fewer professors in my college years who were vocal about their political view than I did during high school - and in high school it was an extremely conservative agenda to boot! - and I am skeptical of lumping all professors into the categories of either outspoken liberals or sheepish conservatives. Making a career of promoting open mindedness and continuing learning throughout your life is not something that should be dismissed as a political bully pulpit.

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11:23 pm, Jun 15, 2009
drmarkklein

Given a college degree is the equivalent in economic value to graduating high school back in the 1950s most students are better off minimizing education costs by doing the first 2 years at community college and then finishing at their state university. Private colleges are a total financial ripoff for most students given today's very depressed wage structure.

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12:27 pm, Jun 15, 2009
GREGORYABUTLER

Best bet - the City University of New York!

Very low tuition and high quality education!

Why pay $ 40,000 when you can get the same quality for $ 4,000?

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11:28 pm, Jun 15, 2009
Teuthida

Amen.

Or UNC Chapel Hill. Or Wisconsin. Or UVA. Or College of NJ,

Reject the tired elitist approach to higher education.

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12:11 pm, Jun 16, 2009
gatetree

Ms. Kingsbury, I admire your ability to get paid for writing this.

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12:51 pm, Jun 15, 2009
newreader

I read this article hoping for something like this:
http://enrollment.rochester.edu/blog/admissions/how-colleges-distort-th e-truth/

Or, even more juicy, this:
http://enrollment.rochester.edu/blog/admissions/colleges-dont-like-you/

Oh, well...

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1:19 pm, Jun 15, 2009
Brendino

I gave tours at the university I went to. I don't think I ever had to lie while I was there...the great thing about being the tour guide is that you can dump the tough questions on the admissions counselors :)

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1:58 pm, Jun 15, 2009
finderj

With more and more institutions of higher ed straped for funding and fewer and fewer students attending without scholarships, grants or loans, of course universities want to sell prospective students on their campus.
Do the simpler thing: do one or two years at a community college then see which of your state universities suits your goals.
It's cheaper, and in the long run, likely just as good as a private university for the bachelor's.

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4:31 pm, Jun 15, 2009
piktor

The author of this drivel writes for Time mag? No wonder news magazines are in trouble.

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8:55 pm, Jun 15, 2009
Sparky223

Yeah not the most exciting post. One thing I wish I had thought of when I was looking at schools is to figure out what direction the campus (i.e. student body, adminisitration, athletic programs) was heading in. I loved my first two years of college and hated my last two.

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11:12 pm, Jun 15, 2009
martykz

Funny you should mention Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, CA. Our son is a senior math major there this year and he reports an experience beyond exemplary. The whole school is barely 700 students but they have a reputation and performance record all out of proportion. Their president, Maria Klawe, for instance, was just elected to the board of Microsoft. Check it out only if you're an uber-nerd.

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4:26 pm, Jun 16, 2009
bigdoc13

Better yet,get a real job(you know,something that requires WORK)and quit trying to be a Yuppie S.O.B.

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6:26 pm, Jun 17, 2009
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