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Are Cornell students suicidal? Is Dartmouth all Republicans? Is Vassar really gay? Kathleen Kingsbury investigates which college reputations are bunk—and which are well-deserved.
Campus stereotypes have been around as long as college itself. And, usually, these reputations stick no matter what a university—or parent—tries to do about it.
“My favorite was, ‘God, Mom, Hamilton is so Hootie & the Blowfish,’” recalls Meg Gobles, a Brooklyn mother who guided her son through the college admissions process last year. “What does that even mean? And how could I possibly rebut it?”
From Dartmouth’s buttoned-down Republicans to Cornell’s suicidal student body, The Daily Beast investigates the longstanding stereotypes of eight prominent schools to find out just how true they are.
How Gay is Vassar?
Not surprisingly, Vassar College does not track students’ sexual orientation. As a former women’s college located an hour outside New York City, however, it’s no surprise that it tends to attract more open-minded applicants. There are “a good number of gay and lesbian students, particularly gay men,” says Phillipe Kleefield, president of the Queer Coalition of Vassar College. Furthermore, he adds, “A lot of people are more willing to question their sexual orientation on campus and experiment.”
But Kleefield found himself often disappointed by his classmates when it came to supporting gay issues. He estimates his organization had five active members, and when it came to political controversies such as gay marriage, Vassar students rarely got involved. “When you live in a bubble, where you don’t have to interact with people who think differently than you, it’s easy to get a progressive place,” says Kleefield, who graduated in May. “I think Vassar students start to think everywhere is as tolerant, and that just isn’t the case.”
Cornell Makes Students Suicidal
This is one of those urban legends that Cornell administrators would love to make disappear. The school’s isolated location in frigid upstate New York doesn’t help. Nor does the fact that, like most of their Ivy League counterparts, Cornell coeds carry a stressful workload. Not to mention that, over the years, there have indeed been students who have taken their lives by flinging themselves dramatically into the depths of Ithaca’s famous gorges.
But, in reality, Cornell has just one or two suicides each year, consistent with the national average. (Suicide is the second leading cause of death among American college students, after motor-vehicle accidents.) In addition, since 2002, Cornell has put in place several measures to prevent suicides, and only five students have taken their life since then, compared to 11 in the six years prior.
All of Long Island Goes to Wisconsin
This, of course, is not true: Nearly two-thirds of students at Madison are Wisconsin residents. And yet, ask any “Sconnie”—as the natives are known—and you’re sure to hear about the town being overrun by “Coasties,” the not-so-affectionate moniker for students from the East Coast and California. In campus lore, these out-of-state invaders even have a uniform: oversized sunglasses, a North Face jacket, spandex pants, and furry UGG boots—no matter the weather. Oh, and her perpetual orange suntan.
How the University of Wisconsin became a Midwest mecca is a mystery. (After neighboring Illinois, New York sends more college students to Wisconsin than any other state, and California is close behind.) But there’s little doubt that the influx of East and West Coast applications since the early 1990s has brought prestige and money—out-of-state tuition is nearly three times that of in-state. Perhaps as a result, admissions have become more selective as freshman applications rose more than 40 percent from 1989 to 2005.
That fueled some resentment as it got harder for even Wisconsin students to get in. And the Coasties don’t always help their own image, often living in private, off-campus dorms and sticking to their own fraternities and sororities. Tensions have occasionally spilled into the classroom. “A couple of days ago, I was in lecture when a teacher asked if there was anyone from Los Angeles in the class… Upon hearing one student's reply, the professor stated, ‘If anyone needs money, go to this guy—or his parents,’” freshman and New Yorker Skye Kalkstein recounted in the campus paper in 2006. “After another student said she came from Beverly Hills, the professor called her a ‘rich bitch.’”









I can't believe the University of Chicago doesn't get a mention. You know, "where fun goes to die"?
Here's one. Elitists only write about themselves.
Not only that, but did you notice that all but two of the schools mentioned are on the east coast?
She has shown a pattern of bias along these lines in previous entries, e.g.:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-23/20-colleges-wo rth-the-price/
What I find most pathetic is that the author seems to have no clue that most of the country doesn't give a flying fuck about half the schools she lists.
Also: the circle of hell Dante forgot...
Dartmouth was not the last Ivy to admit women. Columbia did not go co-ed until 1983.
Actually, Columbia was the last Ivy League school to go co-ed, in 1983.
Dartmouth's history and most famed Conservative alumni and ideals are completely at odds with campus life today. Those who attended the school in its "glory" days of single-sex education and The Review's peak went to a college with minimal relevance to that which exists today. As this article mentions, the College Dems far outnumber the Young Republicans - but it goes much further than this and I'd venture to call it a liberal campus where Review-ers are scoffed at and Howard Dean is a man-about-town.
This is the biggest piece of horse shi* I have ever read. Geez! folks let's get beyond this sensationalism disguised as journalism. May God Rest Walter Kronkite's soul in peace.
"and we are not saved..."
Cronkite
"sensationalism disguised as journalism"
...it's actually an advertisement for the above schools.
Advertisements disguised as articles, its everywhere.
Pure Marketing Genius! Keep it up guys!
A real journalistic tour de force (or farce?). It's obvious the author has never investigated the topic beyond her own back yard (the east coast), or substantiated the table scraps offered up by fellow tweeters. She's rehashing the same story that she posted a few months back. Pretentious nonsense. Has she even graduated from high school?
I actually enjoyed this article a lot. I am currently touring schools and applying to several of the schools mentioned here and it was a relief to hear that these were myths. I'm glad my top school isn't really a haven for those attempting suicide as I've been told it was by many, many people.
I would be careful. The experience I had with a couple of people there wasn't positive. I could see how a person could be driven to feel hopeless, by the few people who think they can become elite by cutting others down and abusing a little power they have. My experience was limited to a small online activity, but after that I said, am I ever glad I don't go there. The activity was off line alot of the time, and people started to chat to each other while they were waiting for it to come back on, and then the person who was in charge was never very nice to people. It was the most horrible experience. They didn't seem to care how they made a person feel.
I have had other experiences with online courses, and just because it is online, it isn't a reason to not care what they say about them. They actually expected people on that online activity, to sign up on facebook, expose all their personal information, without any regard to the risk they were taking, and if they didn't they wouldn't be able to belong to the group they had. I had never seen anything so reckless towards another person's privacy, by a so called elite organization. Others commented about the lack of quality for such a highly regarded U, they were surprised it was even supported by that U. I would never think of going there after that. They were horrible, real elitist as in I am better than you, so you don't count type of elitist, but as quality goes, it was really lacking.
I don't understand. I was talking about Cornell.
I know.
I went to Cornell (engineering class of '98) and I loved it. The university offers classes across the spectrum that you might not find at most universities including a top agriculture school and one of the best hotel schools in the world. It offers a fascinating and varied education should you choose to pursue it.
Oh, come now. I'm from Wisconsin (now in Calif.), went to UW-Madison (where out-of-staters are limited by law to a certain percentage of the student body, part of the political hangover from the 1960s and '70s, when out-of-staters were -- wrongly -- blamed for leading the radical groups on campus), and I don't know of anyone who refers to Wisconsinites as "Sconnies" (and that includes my friends from college who came from suburban Chicago and Long Island). If you want to annoy a Wisconsin resident, call 'em a cheesehead).
Furthermore, while out-of-state tuition is higher, and therefore such students bring in a bit more money, to say that they bring "prestige" to UW-Madison is laughable. Madison's long been one of the top universities in the world (and no, it's not just Badger pride that makes me say that). It regularly ranks as one of the biggest recipients of research grants (guess that out-of-state tuition ain't such a big help after all) and its faculty is loaded with many Nobel prize winners and other notables.
Silly article.
i'm a UC grad (irvine) and i'm not asian but i do not begrudge them their success. they work harder than anyone else. what possible legitimate reason can there be to dislocate the hard working. we should be kissing their feet for so clearly showing the way.
Wow, OK - I don't know if that sentiment is more Maoist or Buddhist, but you're definitely in the Sinophile ballpark. (The Ballpark reference makes it applicable to the Japanese too.)
Irvine, huh? Charlie don't surf and we think he should...
ok maybe a little over the top. forget the asian thing. it's the work thing, why punish that?
Ms Kingsbury--you are about a year out of date on the Dartmouth Trustee question and your comments suggest a fundamental misunderstanding of how the nomination and election process was abused by a minority group of "conservative" alumni to win" Trustee elections with a minority of alumni votes. The situation has now been resolved by a restructuring of the board of trustees and alumni-approved changes to the trustee nomination process.You can research the question at http://alumni.dartmouth.edu.
That stat about California being 75% white isn't even close to true: California's tipping into "minority white"ness has been well-documented.
This article is absurd and so below Daily Beast standard. Really, this reads more like a low budget high school sensationalist piece than any kind of serious journalism. Shame on whoever approved this.
Helpful article for those look at what school to attend and lots of stereotypes presented that I had no idea about. Bennington curriculum sounds especially interesting, given the whole create-your-own-major - major in the biochemistry of fresh water newts, minor in wartime technology course load.
This article was kinda crappy but I guess that's what happens when you have some TIME journalist try covering prestigious universities. Kathleen Kingsbury has probably spent very little time at any of the schools she has "investigated" and people should realize that a school's feel can be very different from what statistics show. Dartmouth feels very Republicanish when you take a finance class there and JewPenn's jewishness cannot be overstated. Get some students' opinons before you pass off reputations of schools to the millions of nervous helicopter parents who frequent the Beast.
Penn was founded by Benjamen Franklin in 1740.
"Benjamin Franklin presented his vision for a new type of learning institution, that unlike other American Colonial colleges, would not focus on education for the clergy, but would instead prepare students for lives of business and public service."- UPenn website.
So from the beginning, Penn has had a more secular mission at its core. It makes perfect sense that Jewish students would have felt welcome there in the early 20th century.
paraphrased from the 2006 SAS graduation: "the first graduating class consisted of 8 students; they were all white, all male, all wealthy, half their classes were taught in latin" [cue the 10 cheering classicists] -- what a change for the 250th class!
you've got it exactly, and we were very proud of that secular tradition and maybe proud to the point of obsession of ben franklin. and we're proud of the fact that we have such a rich jewish heritage as a result of not making religion an issue.
let me add: i will say that as someone with a "useless" degree (who is nonetheless now employed) that one of the most disheartening things at penn was trying to explain to whartonites and others what i was going to "do" with my degree. i resented this assumption that only a utilitarian education is a relevant education, until i left and discovered that i had, in fact, learned something wonderful: how to defend the usefulness of a useless degree! on the one hand i hope penn does not completely succumb to the mentality of "student as customer" and keeps faith in the value of the liberal arts education as a tool for teaching practical students to think; on the other hand a practical view towards education is also a good way to ground the impractical people who might otherwise get blown away into the penniless abstract.
ps for parents reading this: this is more penn than you're going to get from this article.
What??? I lived in Wisconsin and I attended UW-Madison and I've never once heard the term "sconnie." I guess it's easier to make things up than make a few phone calls. Ridiculous. I have to assume that the "stereotypes" about the other schools are wrong as well.
This was really interesting. it is so true that so many schools have intense stereotypes. U of Chicago would have been interesting as well as Duke being known as all rich people. But very well done article and I think it helped to put some of the theories to rest.
As for the claim by hithere 3, i disagree-i think a lot of people care about this and even if they dont, a good amount do so they might as well publish it
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journalism is dead. all we have is ill-informed blogger hacks who can't fact check...or perhaps it's their editors who can't proof copy...why do i read this crap?
Higher Education is about learning how to think. No matter what school you attend.
It is not about vocational training, whether it be in philosophy, finance, or welding.
Given that premise, if the above posters are representative of their institutions, we would all be well advised to steer our offspring toward community colleges.
I highly recommend 'steering our offspring towards community colleges.' At a CC, they'll be around students who want to be there, and aren't just there to avoid getting a job for another four years.
As far as 'learning how to think' goes, well... If your kid has reached college age and is still incapable of independent and analytical thought, they've got bigger problems than what school they attend.
UGH! Thumbs down to both style and content. LAME.
I went to Cornell from 1868 through 1972, and I urge all serious students to consider applying to that excellent school. That said, you need to prepare yourself for the miserable weather. On the occasions when I've gone back there, I've always experienced a strong tinge of sadness -- why? I've come to think that perhaps in my years there I suffered from seasonal affective disorder as a result of a sunlight deficit. Or maybe I was just nineteen . . . .
I was never remotely suicidal, but there is that tiny bit of emotional truth to the stereotype.
I was feeling bad about taking 5 years to graduate. I don't know what my parents would have done if it had taken me 104 years. Wow!
"Sconnie"? Huh? Where did you get that from? Also, "coed," while maybe an antiquated term, means a female student, not an undergrad. This whole thing is suspect.
I enjoyed the article.
And I can't ever get people from Wisconsin to shut up about being 'Sconnies'.
Michigan State Students - Like to Drink.
Thank you.
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