The ratings numbers are in and it’s now clear Joe Biden defied the odds and beat Donald Trump in their head-to-head town hall matchup on ABC and NBC, respectively Thursday night.

According to CNN, during the 8-9 p.m. ET hour when both town halls were airing, Biden drew 13.9 million viewers on ABC compared to 10.6 million for Trump. Biden bested Trump even when the simulcast ratings from cable networks MSNBC and CNBC are included, as the president raked in 13 million across all three channels.

On Thursday, The Daily Beast reported that Trump had hoped to use his superior ratings to humiliate his opponent. “He looks at this the same way he looks at attendance at his rallies versus the [turnout] Biden gets for his events,” one source said. “He obviously wants to blow Biden out of the water.”