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Donald Trump was chosen as Time magazine’s Person of the Year Thursday—an honor that the president-elect clearly relished.
But the distinction may come with some unintended consequences, The New Abnormal co-host Andy Levy argued on this week’s episode.
“I have to think that Elon Musk is upset that it wasn’t him,” Levy said. “And I really hope that stuff like this continues to happen where the two of them, who are the two most insecure people in the world, just end up at each other’s throats because they don’t like it when the other person gets recognition.”
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Then, Rob Bonta, the attorney general of California, joins the pod to discuss how the state is preparing to push back against potential mass deportation efforts under a second Trump presidency.
“Everything he talks about, we have a response to,” Bonta said. “We have court briefings that are ready to press print after we dot the i’s and cross the t’s on all the issues he’s raised—whether it be birthright citizenship, or using the military or the National Guard, or if he goes after DACA again, or if he goes after sanctuary states and violates the 10th Amendment in the process by conditioning federal grants on changes in the sanctuary state policy, we’re ready.”
Plus! Anna Gifty, a Harvard doctoral candidate and editor of The Black Agenda: Bold Solutions for a Broken System, discusses the transformative power of centering black women in the economy.
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